**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 05 02:59:58 2012 Jul 05 03:16:00 xaiki, i9100? Jul 05 03:16:01 sorry Jul 05 03:23:22 folks Jul 05 03:31:09 time for fireworks...bbl Jul 05 05:07:34 xaiki: ah, i9100 is SGSII. No, you would not expect a webOS kernel from HP to have that in it ... Jul 05 05:27:15 rwhitby: of course, not from HP, was wondering if someone started trying porting the Palm patches. if we have them feature/singled out somewhere. last time I looked all I found was one big patch. Jul 05 05:28:16 yep, it's all one big patch Jul 05 05:28:37 no point in doing much until a 3.x kernel patch is released Jul 05 05:29:00 unless you've got a whole lot of time to spend on it Jul 05 05:29:43 rwhitby: I wish… anyway, I trust you pushing for 'the right thing ©' like you always did =) Jul 05 14:52:49 so, I was thinking of setting up a build server... basically a linux box with all the tools needed to compile for webos, and shell access for any developers who aren't crazy about setting up and maintaining their own toolchain locally Jul 05 14:53:20 does such a service exist already an I'm not aware of it? Jul 05 14:53:40 travis-ci.org's for testing not builds, but it might work in a pinch :) Jul 05 14:54:13 okay Jul 05 14:54:36 any others? I don't want to duplicate existing efforts Jul 05 15:50:37 krushia, we are using jenkins-ci for our new build servers. Jul 05 15:50:55 its still a WIP but I think it will work out well. Jul 05 15:51:45 oh, neat Jul 05 15:52:19 I hadn't heard of it Jul 05 15:54:02 are there any big limitations to jenkins-ci vs a full shell on something like gentoo with crossdev toolchain? Jul 05 16:00:04 I definitely see how jenkins spreads the work better. I assume you can make jenkins bundles to run on crowd hardware, vs a homerolled distcc package Jul 05 16:13:24 ka6sox: yeah, we use jenkins at #couchbase and it seems to work out well Jul 05 16:13:37 krushia: ^^ meant to mention both :) Jul 05 16:22:03 krushia, we are building oe-core with it and it works fine. Jul 05 19:28:18 Hello Jul 05 19:28:48 Can anyone help with a HP Veer problem? Jul 05 19:29:42 anyone active in here? Jul 05 19:31:06 Hello? Jul 05 19:35:59 ~asktoask Jul 05 19:36:00 Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. Jul 05 19:38:40 I use the software "navit", but the program doesn't get any GPS data. My Car Location is always 0.0.0.0. Other Apps can get GPS (e.g Geocaching Apps) Jul 05 19:38:59 Is this a known problem with the HP Veer or someting Jul 05 19:40:18 Hotte, not that I know of Jul 05 19:40:31 my Son has a veer, but doesn't use navit Jul 05 19:41:00 i found the problem in forums on the internet, but with no solution. Forums from 2010.... Jul 05 19:42:44 :( Jul 05 19:42:51 forums seem to be good for that. Jul 05 19:43:01 forums -1 Jul 05 19:43:41 any other navigation software available? Jul 05 19:56:45 hrm, I don't think I've used the GPS on my veer at all Jul 05 20:06:45 ok :( Jul 05 20:12:14 I hope i find soneone here who uses gps Jul 05 20:26:55 any other people with a hp veer??? Jul 05 20:40:14 ka6sox: what up? Jul 05 20:46:42 Anyone here have much experience with the msl screens? Jul 05 20:48:44 ... what's an msl screen Jul 05 20:49:00 msl: master security lock Jul 05 20:49:30 in a chat with sprint support because the data isn't functioning Jul 05 20:49:35 * dwc- stares at you blankly Jul 05 20:49:57 I'm going to assume the answer for me is no Jul 05 20:50:01 lol Jul 05 20:50:30 I'm surprised you don't know about MSL Jul 05 22:02:30 is it easy to set the pre+ (1.4.5) watchdog timeout to something absurdly long? Jul 05 22:06:49 like, the screen timeout? Jul 05 22:06:54 (not sure what watchdog is ;) ) Jul 05 22:10:12 reboot watchdog Jul 05 22:10:21 I think default is 5 seconds Jul 05 22:10:39 * PatrickC still doesn't understand what Watchdog is :P Jul 05 22:11:25 it's okay, I'll just stop doing things I shouldn't be doing Jul 05 22:11:29 lol Jul 05 22:25:23 PatrickC: turns out I just needed to disable /etc/init.d/watchdog.sh Jul 05 22:26:08 I didn't know it was a high level piece of scriptfoo :p Jul 05 22:28:11 haha... so, what does watchdog do? :P Jul 05 22:28:15 * PatrickC is curious now :) Jul 05 22:30:33 a watchdog is typically a timer that counts a certain number of seconds and reboots if it isn't reset in time Jul 05 22:31:06 ahh Jul 05 22:31:17 gotcha.. i was thinking you were talking about screen timeout at first haha Jul 05 22:31:20 the purpose is to detect when the software has frozen Jul 05 22:31:21 which is easy to disable Jul 05 22:31:30 why would u want to disable that? Jul 05 22:32:23 because i'm doing naughty things that prevent the watchdog from being reset in a timely manner Jul 05 22:32:52 lol Jul 05 22:33:02 specifically compiling with many gcc threads while not using an IO scheduler Jul 05 22:33:17 i bork my touchpad when i do things like that to it Jul 05 22:33:25 but my phones hardly ever bork :) Jul 05 22:33:31 * PatrickC points to his veer running at 1.4GHz Jul 05 22:42:47 Ya WIRC on TC, via znc Jul 05 22:43:28 do what now Jul 05 22:43:41 funny I have had my TP for a month now and haven't used wirc yea Jul 05 22:45:02 Wirc, on my touchpad, connected via my znc client Jul 05 22:45:08 I've had to patch several lines in wirc to get it to connect and stay connected. probably should share them Jul 05 22:45:45 oh now I remember Jul 05 22:45:47 Oh yes, I'm sure patches would be liked Jul 05 22:46:24 I have up till now just been using my irssi client via Xterm Jul 05 22:46:30 it looked like mojo wirc was being abandoned for enyo last I checked Jul 05 22:46:40 so I didn't think it mattered Jul 05 22:46:50 how wrong am I? Jul 05 22:46:51 that was a while ago. i think that enyo wirc and mojo are both abandoned :/ Jul 05 22:46:59 lol Jul 05 22:47:28 OH =( Jul 05 22:47:40 well it works for me any how =) Jul 05 22:48:07 PatrickC: how's it going with the Enyo Twitter client Jul 05 22:48:20 What Enyo twitter client? ;) Jul 05 22:48:23 Sorry I have not been following the dev, got new job and such Jul 05 22:48:32 Were you not making one? Jul 05 22:48:53 it fails pretty quickly if you use weechat as a bouncer, because wirc apparently looks at server pings to determine if it's connected, and weechat doesn't forward any Jul 05 22:49:09 krushia: I'd like to see the patch if you've got it Jul 05 22:49:31 I'll have to do a diff Jul 05 22:49:33 krushia: I see, ZNC seems to work fine Jul 05 22:49:57 I'm lzy and attack installed wiles with internals' editor when things don't work Jul 05 22:50:05 um Jul 05 22:50:06 PatrickC: are you still using mine? Jul 05 22:50:20 when im at a client that can use it :P Jul 05 22:50:34 =) Jul 05 22:50:45 tbh, I'm not all that thrilled with the way wirc handles disconnects / sessions / etc, so knowing what fixes your problem sounds useful Jul 05 22:51:33 actually I fixed most problems with a bandaid that just sets timeout to a really huge number Jul 05 22:52:09 disconnects are an issue with the backend Jul 05 22:52:17 I just kill it on disconnect Jul 05 22:52:43 kill it, like throw all the cards away and restart? Jul 05 22:53:09 kill it like "killall -9 wirc" Jul 05 22:53:15 lol Jul 05 22:53:23 just the plugin Jul 05 22:53:41 if you kill the plugin, what do you have restarting it? Jul 05 22:54:06 the mojo app Jul 05 22:54:09 every build I know of other than mine only spawns a new plugin at startup Jul 05 22:54:18 upon whacking the connect button Jul 05 22:54:44 yeah... I changed that Jul 05 22:54:57 so you killall -9 wirc in the shell, and then hit the connect button which launches a new plugin? Jul 05 22:55:25 pretty much Jul 05 22:55:54 hm, I'd be keen to see that Jul 05 22:56:07 I think I'm missing something in my patch, sometimes the channel status isn't reset Jul 05 22:56:15 honestly it's all bandaids. the true issues are in the plugin... but I can't hack that with internalz while waiting for pizza to cook Jul 05 22:56:25 nod, I agree. Jul 05 23:00:07 tbh, I'm glad to find someone other than me and patrickc that have had issues with the plugin Jul 05 23:00:34 wait, i haven't been paying attention, someone beside you and me are having plugin issues dwc-?? Jul 05 23:00:45 heh Jul 05 23:01:38 * PatrickC remembers back to the first time he opened up wIRC and said, "What the heck does this do?!" Jul 05 23:02:39 * PatrickC looks to now, on IRC all day, uses a bouncer, meet several big names on here, and has fixed a lot of bugs though the help of some amazing devs Jul 05 23:02:40 =) Jul 05 23:03:45 * RichTea does not quite his first times on IRC (far to long ago) but does remember being amased Jul 05 23:03:56 I'll put together a patch when I'm at a real computer. all I have to offer is another way of bandaging though. we can either come up with 42 ways to apply bandaids, or take a look at the real problem... Jul 05 23:04:21 krushia: if we can gather more data about the bandaids, it might help point us to something] Jul 05 23:04:35 I've had trouble getting core dumps when I'm away from a computer Jul 05 23:04:52 well, had trouble getting core dumps period Jul 05 23:05:07 but at least I can use gdb effectively when it's attached to a computer Jul 05 23:08:05 ok must remember not to close the main wirc card Jul 05 23:12:59 oh... do you guys get the issue where two instances of the plugin are running and everything is shown twice? Jul 05 23:13:20 that's something I haven't completely figured out Jul 05 23:14:00 even killing the plugin at disconnect... sometimes there's a duplicate Jul 05 23:14:25 it's rare and makes me insane Jul 05 23:14:29 nope Jul 05 23:14:58 krushia: i think ive had that once before Jul 05 23:15:01 a long time ago Jul 05 23:15:20 basically every line is shown twice Jul 05 23:15:30 like there's a creepy echo Jul 05 23:15:38 this is the first time I have used wirc on my tp Jul 05 23:16:02 * krushia hopes RichTea gets creepy echoes Jul 05 23:16:08 I feel so alone Jul 05 23:16:50 lol Jul 05 23:17:08 * PatrickC chooses not to go into the creepy echo tunnel with krushia Jul 05 23:19:28 =) Jul 05 23:19:56 Oh dam is that the time already! Jul 05 23:20:48 time to go in the creepy tunnel? Jul 05 23:21:43 Oh any one know if with webosce we finally have access to the messaging synergy code? Jul 05 23:22:22 RichTea: if you're talking about building synergy connectors, talk to EricBlade.. hes been doing it for a while :) Jul 05 23:22:30 it would be nice to see other chat things integrated, like facebook Jul 05 23:23:05 that one, we could talk to PC-World who build the facebook chat app and try to integrate it Jul 05 23:23:12 richtea: the messaging code doesn't have anything to do with luna, and it's all on device already, well except for the native services .. which have been available for al ong time Jul 05 23:23:45 well if we have gtalk why not facebook chat? Jul 05 23:24:20 just remembered I have a screenshot :) Jul 05 23:24:23 http://ompldr.org/vZW8yZw Jul 05 23:24:28 * RichTea of course has not idea how it all links together Jul 05 23:25:19 I'd also like to beable to upload pic's to other service apart from FB Jul 05 23:25:39 RichTea: i think they're working on that too' Jul 05 23:26:04 maybe google =) Jul 05 23:26:07 COOL Jul 05 23:26:20 I should STFU and just wait then Jul 05 23:26:29 haha Jul 05 23:26:41 never hurts to ask if development is being done :) Jul 05 23:26:46 sometimes though, ETA's can hurt lol Jul 05 23:26:56 =) Jul 05 23:28:49 ok time to go kip, have a good day / night my wonderous WebOS devs and such interested people Jul 05 23:29:50 cya RichTea Jul 06 00:53:28 RichTea: there's a patch in Preware to enable 3rd party Photo services. Jul 06 00:53:59 RichTea: And if you're interested in developing Synergy connectors, pore over the Account Manager documentation, as well as talk to me :) Jul 06 01:52:57 Question about 'dbus-util' both my TouchPad and Pre2 don't seem to recognize that command. Jul 06 01:53:39 does anyone know why my webOS devices wouldn't have dbus-util? Jul 06 02:05:18 anyone available? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 06 02:59:58 2012