**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 01 02:59:59 2012
Aug 01 05:31:02 <imstrone> hi
Aug 01 06:31:38 <kPb_in> hey guys.. how can i see kernel messages when device is booting? any options for bootie?
Aug 01 06:32:02 <ka6sox> kPb_in, to a point
Aug 01 06:32:20 <ka6sox> and I don't think we have bootie code or will get it...
Aug 01 06:32:38 <kPb_in> ka6sox: to a point??
Aug 01 06:33:09 <ka6sox> novaterm runs along for a while then disconnects
Aug 01 06:33:21 <ka6sox> you then have to wait till it is re-enabled.
Aug 01 06:33:30 <kPb_in> ka6sox: what i meant it.. i want to see kernel messages on pre screen
Aug 01 06:33:34 <kPb_in> is*
Aug 01 06:33:45 <ka6sox> oh
Aug 01 06:33:48 <ka6sox> hmmm
Aug 01 06:34:03 <ka6sox> they throw up a tga during booting....
Aug 01 06:34:11 <ka6sox> and modding bootie isn't an option\
Aug 01 06:34:30 <ka6sox> unless there is an undocumented "feature" that lets you do that.
Aug 01 06:34:38 <kPb_in> ok
Aug 01 06:34:41 <ka6sox> at a certain point bootie is gone
Aug 01 06:35:07 <rwhitby> We've got kernels which show kernel messages when booting
Aug 01 06:35:15 <rwhitby> a small patch to the kernel does that
Aug 01 07:25:50 <cryptk> rwhitby, wasn't there a way you could hold like vol down + C and it would show the console as it booted?
Aug 01 07:25:59 <cryptk> or was that something we were doing on our early kernels?
Aug 01 07:26:36 <ka6sox> I think that jcsullins had something that did that.
Aug 01 10:03:07 <ka6sox> wasn't it OnSale that got in trouble during the TP firesale for something?
Aug 01 10:04:20 <ka6sox> (how about that for rumourmongering?)
Aug 01 15:27:38 <Darkmagister> hi all, i've a problem with resizefat, i've removed the ext3 partition with debian in chroot on my touchpad, now i want to restore the internal partition to one of 32gb, i launch this: resizefat /dev/mapper/store-media 32G, after a few minutes it's stop, but if i do a mount -a the store-media is still 18gb not 32gb
Aug 01 15:33:10 <Darkmagister> let's try with tailor and see if it can resize the partition
Aug 01 15:35:11 <jcsullins> yeah, use tailor
Aug 01 15:36:19 <jcsullins> btw, you can't resize it to 32G (there are other partitions/lvms that need part of that space)
Aug 01 15:38:32 <Darkmagister> ok
Aug 01 15:38:32 <Darkmagister> :D
Aug 01 15:38:57 <Darkmagister> now i've checked the fs, now tailor is reisizing to 28192M
Aug 01 15:49:50 <ka6sox> jcsullins, does your second stage allow us to see the boot on the screen without a splash?
Aug 01 15:51:32 <jcsullins> yeah, should be able to enable "verbose mode" to get the messages
Aug 01 19:35:02 <hpk1> Hello
Aug 01 19:35:21 <hpk1> Can i ask a question about the HP Veer and WebOS?
Aug 01 19:38:30 <hpk1> I've read there willme no Open WebOS Support for HP Veer,correct?
Aug 01 19:41:10 <dwc-> not from HP, it sounds like
Aug 01 19:43:29 <bigbluehat> hpk1: webOS CE is likely where things will happen for Veer users
Aug 01 19:45:10 * ka6sox perks up at the mention of CE...
Aug 01 19:45:28 <bigbluehat> hehe :)
Aug 01 19:47:25 <EricBlade> i have a feeling that there will be some kind of interesting possibilities of knocking together something out of all the pieces that we will have
Aug 01 19:52:43 <hpk1> What is webOS CE? Never heard about that
Aug 01 19:52:53 <hpk1> Anyone here with a HP Veer?
Aug 01 19:53:16 * dwc- owns a veer
Aug 01 19:53:54 * scoutcamper owns a veer
Aug 01 19:54:01 * ka6sox has 2 veers
Aug 01 19:54:05 <ka6sox> love em
Aug 01 19:54:11 <scoutcamper> and at least 2 of every other webos device
Aug 01 19:54:18 <ka6sox> quickest webos2 device out there.
Aug 01 19:54:28 <dwc-> 2 opals?
Aug 01 19:54:31 <ka6sox> scoutcamper, not true!
Aug 01 19:54:38 <ka6sox> see..ther is an example
Aug 01 19:54:53 <scoutcamper> dwc-, your right, i dont have 2 opals.
Aug 01 19:54:57 <ka6sox> I don't have a Panda either.
Aug 01 19:55:11 <ka6sox> not the panda veer
Aug 01 19:55:14 <ka6sox> the panda TP
Aug 01 19:55:22 <scoutcamper> and at least 2 of every other webos device that was commercially avaliable minus the panda ones
Aug 01 19:55:24 * dwc- thoguht about getting a white veer to match the black
Aug 01 19:55:36 <hpk1> Ok.... iǘe got 2 problems with the device: 1. Sometimes the Camera-App crashes. Solution?  2. When i switch it off, and on (in the morning) it can't sync the time....
Aug 01 19:55:51 <dwc-> buut that would have just been a waste of money... I don't even use the one I have now
Aug 01 19:56:19 <scoutcamper> dwc-, thats my issue, my little veer is neglected :P
Aug 01 19:56:45 <ka6sox> dwc-, my son develops on a Veer
Aug 01 19:57:01 <dwc-> the last time I had my veer out, it was to take comparative size pictures with a galaxy note
Aug 01 19:59:40 <hpk1> Does anyone has a solution for the problems?
Aug 01 20:01:32 <dwc-> if you power off the device, it does not keep time, that is correct
Aug 01 20:01:52 <dwc-> it should set to the correct time if you have an active SIM or the clock sync app installed
Aug 01 20:02:30 <hpk1> ok...i'll try that....  the Camera is my worst problem....
Aug 01 20:03:03 <EricBlade> that's amusing that gsm phones without active service don't receive clock signals
Aug 01 20:03:07 <dwc-> I don't think I've ever used the camera
Aug 01 20:03:27 <hpk1> ka6sox maybe?
Aug 01 20:03:54 <EricBlade> only problem i've had with cameras is touchpad cameras that didn't work right after kernel swapping, and a Pre that has a camera that doesn't want to stay making connection on it's board, so it will frequently just halt.
Aug 01 20:04:00 <ka6sox> my Son uses his camera all the time
Aug 01 20:04:03 <ka6sox> did a video today
Aug 01 20:04:25 <dwc-> ericblade, I'm not sure it actually connects to the towers if you have no sim
Aug 01 20:04:32 <dwc-> (until you try to make an emergency call)
Aug 01 20:05:14 <bigbluehat> is there a site somewhere that lists all the webOS devices? past, present, and almost? :)
Aug 01 20:05:40 <madnificent> bigbluehat: christmas is still far far away, no need to make your list yet
Aug 01 20:05:47 <hpk1> ka6sox: Problem is the camera sometimes send the message: Cant record picture-.....and the device restarts
Aug 01 20:05:57 <bigbluehat> madnificent: true ;)
Aug 01 20:06:13 <madnificent> (fwiw, i don't know)
Aug 01 20:06:15 <ka6sox> ewww
Aug 01 20:06:17 <bigbluehat> I mostly like computer history, and wanted to see all the things
Aug 01 20:06:23 <ka6sox> can't help you.
Aug 01 20:06:47 <madnificent> bigbluehat: that's a low blow to the community man, 'history'   :P ;)
Aug 01 20:07:00 * scoutcamper holds up a sign that says webos doctor is the one step fix all software glitches tool
Aug 01 20:07:20 <bigbluehat> madnificent: hehe :)
Aug 01 20:08:31 <hpk1> ka6sox: I'm from germany. 2.1.1 is the newest available version? Can i use the newer US Version? Can i get a community Version for my veer??
Aug 01 20:10:26 <ka6sox> I don't know, I don't know, I know of NO project for this
Aug 01 20:10:33 <RagingMind> hpk1, have you tried doctoring your phone yet?
Aug 01 20:10:58 <ka6sox> hpk1, the wiki knows what the latest versions are
Aug 01 20:11:06 <ka6sox> (and theoretically also OTA)
Aug 01 20:12:01 <hpk1> Never doctored it. Whats the point of that? Would it help?
Aug 01 20:12:23 <RagingMind> potentially.  you won't know unless you try
Aug 01 20:13:03 <ka6sox> hpk1, you do run the risk of losing data...so caveat emptor
Aug 01 20:13:11 <RagingMind> hpk1, it replaces all the software on the phone with a fresh install.  it's used to rule out the possibility of corrupted software
Aug 01 20:15:03 <hpk1> Ok....recovery stuff eh? ;)
Aug 01 20:15:37 <greenskeleton> with all this talk about older devices....would anybody have use for an original Sprint Pre?
Aug 01 20:16:14 <madnificent> greenskeleton: aside from putting it on a stand in one of the rooms in the house: no
Aug 01 20:16:28 <madnificent> or perhaps the gsm board, but the sprint had a different one iirc
Aug 01 20:16:40 <greenskeleton> figured I'd check before recycling it
Aug 01 20:17:55 <RagingMind> greenskeleton, some people take them apart for the radio to put into a pre2
Aug 01 20:18:48 <greenskeleton> if you happen to know anyone who wants a working Sprint radio, I'm happy to give it away
Aug 01 20:19:33 <EricBlade> does it still work ?
Aug 01 20:20:51 <greenskeleton> the casing is a bit beat up, but it was working last time it was used.
Aug 01 20:21:12 <greenskeleton> I upgraded phones and gave my Pre to my wife because it was in better condition
Aug 01 20:22:13 <EricBlade> well if you don't come across anyone in greater need of it, i could go for one to setup for my gf and then try to do the pre2 upgrade with her existing one
Aug 01 20:23:26 <greenskeleton> she has an existing Pre2 that you want to put on Sprint?
Aug 01 20:25:38 <EricBlade> right now she's using a pre that has a bad power switch, and i've been thinking about doing the pre2 upgrade
Aug 01 20:26:39 <greenskeleton> is there a reason you wouldn't use the radio from that phone?
Aug 01 20:27:13 <EricBlade> i would use the radio from that phone, i wouldn't want her to be without a phone or have to go back to a Rumor if i screwed somethign up though :)
Aug 01 20:27:26 <greenskeleton> ah
Aug 01 20:27:59 <greenskeleton> or you could have two chances to get it right :P
Aug 01 20:33:44 <EricBlade> that also
Aug 01 20:58:59 <dwc-> hpk1: my pre2 does that occasionally... it's a sign of an impending reboot but it usually doesn't right away
Aug 01 20:59:32 <dwc-> and yes, you can turn your eu/us veer into the other
Aug 01 23:11:13 <timothy237> what are the chances of open webos appearing anything. Is the community support there?
Aug 01 23:12:27 <roxfan> "appearing anything"?
Aug 01 23:12:32 <destinal> timothy237: yes I expect webos to appear anything
Aug 01 23:12:36 <destinal> :P
Aug 01 23:12:42 <timothy237> on any devices
Aug 01 23:13:15 <timothy237> I mean how many people are actually interested in making it happen
Aug 01 23:19:03 <ka6sox> timothy237, are you willing to contribute to make that happen?
Aug 01 23:19:22 <dwc-> sorta depends on what "any devices" means
Aug 01 23:19:50 <ka6sox> I think making it work on my CoCo3 would be nice
Aug 01 23:25:29 <destinal>  ka6sox lol, tandy?  have fun with that :P
Aug 01 23:27:45 <ka6sox> destinal, can you do that for me....please???
Aug 01 23:28:13 <destinal> ka6sox: sure, I'll get right on it
Aug 01 23:30:00 <ka6sox> yay!
Aug 01 23:30:17 <ka6sox> can I bug you day and night till its done?
Aug 01 23:32:07 <destinal> lol
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