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Feb 05 14:07:58 <NachoB> Any Touchpad experts in here :)
Feb 05 14:17:54 <NachoB> I'll be hanging around all day if anyone wants to hear my story, just chime in. I'll check in from time to time.
Feb 05 14:18:42 <jcsullins> ~asktoask
Feb 05 14:18:42 <infobot> Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can.
Feb 05 14:22:17 <NachoB> haha, okay
Feb 05 14:24:42 <NachoB> Here's what I believe has happened: 7 month was watching a movie on the TP, pulled it to his mouth and I believe his drool leaked into the volume up/down area. Looks like volume up was effected and all I'm able to do is get it into USB mode. Is a tear-down in order? It's been about 17 hours or so since this happened.
Feb 05 14:24:56 <NachoB> 7 month old son.
Feb 05 14:27:35 <NachoB> jcsullins, btw, thanks for your work on cynogenmod, At the time this happened I was on build 12/16 of your work.
Feb 05 14:28:13 <jcsullins> by "USB mode", you mean the bootie USB mode?
Feb 05 14:28:37 <NachoB> yeah. and my pc will recognize it as being in bootie
Feb 05 14:29:38 <jcsullins> hmm, that is a new one
Feb 05 14:30:38 <NachoB> tried ejecting it but it stayed in bootie. guessing I'm going to have to tear it down, see if my son's saliva is causing issue in the volume hardware.  You ever get yours back up and running after it's swim in the toilet?  haha
Feb 05 14:31:16 <jcsullins> I assume you have novacomm installed ...
Feb 05 14:31:27 <jcsullins> so can try something like:
Feb 05 14:31:30 <jcsullins> novaterm
Feb 05 14:31:33 <jcsullins> reboot
Feb 05 14:32:02 <NachoB> Lemme see if I can get it respond again.
Feb 05 14:34:57 <jcsullins> you would enter that while the big 'ole USB symbol was on the screen
Feb 05 14:38:30 <NachoB> It rebooted straight to the USB icon, causing me to believe there's drool in the mix here  HAHA
Feb 05 14:43:28 <jcsullins> I guess you have tried tapping on that button several times to "work it loose" (to see if it's just 'stuck down') ?
Feb 05 14:44:44 <NachoB> Yeah, I've tried that. Even holding volume down as it's rebooting. HP flashes on screen the USB icon.
Feb 05 14:45:20 <jcsullins> does it seem to 'click' at all?
Feb 05 14:46:19 <NachoB> Yeah, has the same click feel/sound as the volume down. that doesn't appear to feel/sound any different from before yesterdays incident.
Feb 05 14:47:28 <jcsullins> then sounds like it's not physically stuck .. but there's 'something extra' in there making the connection
Feb 05 14:47:53 <NachoB> yeah, drool..  haha
Feb 05 14:49:12 <NachoB> Might take a hair dryer to it before going as far as taking it apart.
Feb 05 14:52:27 <NachoB> Is there anyway to force it to boot into webos or cm10, bypassing bootie?
Feb 05 14:55:41 <NachoB> stepping away for just a bit.
Feb 05 15:00:38 <jcsullins> yeah, there is, but I think you'd still have some issues after booted if the button is like it is
Feb 05 15:16:02 <NachoB> It seemed okay yesterday, before I forced a reboot.
Feb 05 15:26:48 <jcsullins> did you try the "novaterm" and then "reboot" ?
Feb 05 15:51:08 <NachoB> tried that when you first suggested it at 09:31
Feb 05 15:51:22 <NachoB> flashes HP logo, then goes to bootie.
Feb 05 16:05:55 <jcsullins> ahh, ok, sec ..
Feb 05 16:10:21 <jcsullins> ok, need to do a "novaterm" then
Feb 05 16:10:45 <jcsullins> do a "setenv bootfile uImage.webOS" or "setenv bootfile uImage.CyanogenMod"
Feb 05 16:10:49 <jcsullins> then do "fsboot"
Feb 05 16:11:24 <NachoB> okay, standby.
Feb 05 16:12:29 <jcsullins> if no moboot/CM was installed, you could skip the "setenv bootfile" step
Feb 05 16:15:24 <NachoB> Hmm, both of those have now resulted in Exclamation logo with www.palm.com/ROM
Feb 05 16:15:35 <NachoB> Guess a Doctor is in order.
Feb 05 16:16:23 <jcsullins> did you type it just as above? i.e. not in lower-case?
Feb 05 16:17:39 <NachoB> Yeah, typed it case sensitive.
Feb 05 16:18:10 <jcsullins> try running "printenv" right after to check
Feb 05 16:18:30 <jcsullins> right after the setenv, that is
Feb 05 16:18:50 <NachoB> I guess I should clarify. The setenv commands were successful, the fsboot command resulted in the Exclamation screen.  Standby.
Feb 05 16:20:23 <NachoB> printenv reports bootfile as uImage.webOS
Feb 05 16:20:26 <NachoB> fsboot
Feb 05 16:20:32 <NachoB> oops, wrong window..  haha
Feb 05 16:21:10 <NachoB> okay. it now appears to be booting into webOS.
Feb 05 16:21:17 <jcsullins> \o/
Feb 05 16:23:47 <NachoB> Thanks for the assist. volume up button is still borked (does nothing visually in webOS to indicate I've pressed it). Volume down reports visually. guess I'm still going to have to take it apart, or just wait and see if it dries out and fixes itself.
Feb 05 16:24:10 <jcsullins> np
Feb 05 16:26:48 <NachoB> You still working on CM beyond the 12/16 build? Not looking for any ETA's or anything of the sort, just curious what's going on in the world of android on the Touchpad. I really only carry the thing around so my son can watch Lion King when he gets cranky.
Feb 05 16:27:04 <jcsullins> yeah
Feb 05 16:27:10 <NachoB> ah.  Cool.
Feb 05 20:13:53 <NuttyBunny> Guys, I'm here with a TouchPad that won't store changes, has anyone read something like that?
Feb 05 20:14:14 <NuttyBunny> I can't delete lvm's, fix or modify partitions, etc
Feb 05 20:14:26 <NuttyBunny> it says that it does it but it doesn't
Feb 05 20:19:25 <jcsullins> NuttyBunny: I have something to test .. but you will need to boot into linux (and install dfu-util and fastboot) to do so
Feb 05 20:20:24 <NuttyBunny> jcsullins, I don't think we can do that... see, I'm in Mexico and this guy is in Dominica.  Let me guess, it's rewriting the mbr on the touchpad?
Feb 05 20:20:54 <jcsullins> no, it's running a special version of moboot that checks the write-protect status of the emmc
Feb 05 20:21:08 <NuttyBunny> ah, ok, lemme see if this guy is up to it
Feb 05 20:22:11 <NuttyBunny> and, if it's in read-only is there a way to put it back in r/w?   I know I read something somewhere on xda, but I really don't remember where
Feb 05 20:22:46 <NuttyBunny> I assume it wouldn't run inside a VM?
Feb 05 20:22:48 <jcsullins> there are actually two different emmc write-protect settings .. one is temporary and one is permanent
Feb 05 20:23:16 <jcsullins> it would be better to not run it under VM .. but could prob. do it under VM if absolutely needed
Feb 05 20:24:18 <jcsullins> I find creating a ubuntu 12.04 USB bootable USB drive the best way usually
Feb 05 20:25:48 <NuttyBunny> Ok, lemme talk this guy into doing that.  Do you have some time now? or am I interrupting something? :)
Feb 05 20:26:10 <jcsullins> yeah, go ahead
Feb 05 20:27:32 <NuttyBunny> Ok, trying to convince him to do it natively, hold on
Feb 05 20:28:02 <NuttyBunny> Ubuntu 11.04? it should work as well?
Feb 05 20:28:22 <jcsullins> yeah, for this, it should
Feb 05 20:28:49 <jcsullins> will need to install dfu-util and fastboot on it
Feb 05 20:29:18 <jcsullins> here is easy way to get fastboot: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/08/install-adb-and-fastboot-android-tools.html
Feb 05 20:29:37 <NuttyBunny> ok.  he's trying to take hold of a 1-2Gb usb drive :D
Feb 05 20:29:40 <jcsullins> dfu-util should be "sudo apt-get install dfu-util" if "universe" is enabled
Feb 05 20:30:36 <NuttyBunny> excellent.  I'll do it on Virtualbox as well to play with mine :D
Feb 05 20:34:34 <NuttyBunny> jcsullins, no, he couldn't get the usb drive. I guess we'll try to use the VM approach
Feb 05 20:35:54 <jcsullins> NuttyBunny: ok, you have dfu-util and fastboot installed now?
Feb 05 20:36:35 <jcsullins> we can do it on your system now and then you can recreate on his later ...
Feb 05 20:37:11 <NuttyBunny> booting VM ubuntu, I intend to do it that way
Feb 05 20:37:16 <jcsullins> ok
Feb 05 20:38:03 <jcsullins> you will need this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53916521/misc/moboot-dfu-special-20130205
Feb 05 20:41:27 <jcsullins> so the steps ...
Feb 05 20:41:39 <jcsullins> enter DFU mode with Power+Home+VolumeUp for 30 secs
Feb 05 20:41:59 <jcsullins> passthru the 0830:8070 USB device to the VM
Feb 05 20:42:15 <jcsullins> confirm "ID 0830:8070 Palm" is listed in "lsusb"
Feb 05 20:42:32 <jcsullins> run "sudo dfu-util -d 0830:8070 -R -D moboot-dfu-special-20130205"
Feb 05 20:42:58 <jcsullins> passthru the "18d1:d00d Google" device to the VM
Feb 05 20:43:12 <jcsullins> confirm "ID 18d1:d00d Google" is listed with "lsusb"
Feb 05 20:43:24 <jcsullins> run "sudo fastboot oem device_info"
Feb 05 20:44:50 <NuttyBunny> ok, hold on, installing tools here :)
Feb 05 20:45:08 <jcsullins> which should give some lines of device info .. two of which are "TEMP_WP" and "PERM_WP"
Feb 05 20:45:21 <jcsullins> normally both of those should be 0
Feb 05 20:47:15 <jcsullins> so if his TP shows "TEMP_WP:1" but "PERM_WP:0" we might be able to reset it
Feb 05 20:48:12 <NuttyBunny> ok.
Feb 05 20:50:45 <NuttyBunny> dfu-util = dfutool ??
Feb 05 20:52:29 <jcsullins> no
Feb 05 20:52:42 <jcsullins> very similar, but different
Feb 05 20:52:56 <NuttyBunny> it didn't get installed
Feb 05 20:53:20 <jcsullins> sudo apt-get install dfu-util
Feb 05 20:53:38 <jcsullins> after enabling the "universe" software source
Feb 05 20:54:01 <NuttyBunny> sorry, I went the other way around using the repository you posted before :)
Feb 05 20:54:12 <jcsullins> that's for fastboot
Feb 05 20:54:28 <NuttyBunny> right. enabling universe
Feb 05 20:59:44 <NuttyBunny> my god... I didn't remember running Ubuntu on a VM running off a ISO was so slow!!
Feb 05 21:08:57 <NuttyBunny> mmm... not good.  The device still appears on lsusb but dfu-util says No DFU capable USB device found
Feb 05 21:09:16 <NuttyBunny> Perhaps the reason is that I'm running it off a VM?
Feb 05 21:13:54 <NuttyBunny> nevermind, I mistyped
Feb 05 21:19:02 <NuttyBunny> nice, mine has 0 on both flags
Feb 05 21:25:04 <jcsullins> ok, so just get your friend to do the same and see if either is 1
Feb 05 21:26:25 <NuttyBunny> yep, just got him to power cycle the TP.
Feb 05 21:27:54 <NuttyBunny> and now, how do I reboot mine? :D
Feb 05 21:28:08 <jcsullins> sudo fastboot reboot
Feb 05 21:29:18 <NuttyBunny> thanks.  It's my baby and I don't like to see it in recovery or anything other than webOS (and the ocassional Android, thanks to your december 16 release) :)
Feb 05 21:30:10 <jcsullins> :)
Feb 05 21:37:57 <jcsullins> NuttyBunny: let me know what his result is ...
Feb 05 21:38:33 <NuttyBunny> yep, I'm struggling to get stupid vbox to capture the device.
Feb 05 21:39:23 <jcsullins> yeah, why I suggest not trying under VM :)
Feb 05 22:40:49 <NuttyBunny> jcsullins: good and "bad" news... I managed to check the touchpad, but both TERM_WP and PERM_WP are 0
Feb 05 22:43:58 <jcsullins> hmm
Feb 05 22:44:43 <jcsullins> there is some chance I'm not reading it correctly I guess
Feb 05 22:45:47 <jcsullins> let me double check a couple things
Feb 05 22:46:07 <NuttyBunny> ok
Feb 05 22:58:57 <jcsullins> I'm guessing that capacity is not 0 also?
Feb 05 23:00:14 <jcsullins> if not, then as far as I can tell, it should be reading it correctly
Feb 05 23:00:41 <NuttyBunny> capacity? argh, I think it did read 16gb
Feb 05 23:00:53 <NuttyBunny> he had to go already
Feb 05 23:01:33 <jcsullins> I'm guessing it was valid values (according to the mmc docs I have and the testing I did here)
Feb 05 23:02:36 <NuttyBunny> that's weird.  but those are the symptoms for a read only emmc, aren't they?
Feb 05 23:02:50 <jcsullins> yes, it would seem so
Feb 05 23:03:59 <NuttyBunny> poor guy, it's a firesale 16gb tp that he personally bought
Feb 05 23:05:04 <jcsullins> yeah, don't know what else to try
Feb 05 23:14:42 <NuttyBunny> is there a way to force the emmc to go r/o and then r/w again?
Feb 05 23:18:09 <jcsullins> in theory, you could set that TEMP_WP flag, then unset it
Feb 05 23:26:33 <jcsullins> hmm, looking at the mmc docs some more ... seems there are more write-protection stuff in there
Feb 05 23:26:49 <jcsullins> beyond those two bits mentioned
Feb 05 23:36:21 <NuttyBunny> really? We could try to read those tomorrow :)
Feb 05 23:37:55 <jcsullins> not sure about tomorrow
Feb 05 23:38:14 <jcsullins> those are a bit more complicated to read
Feb 05 23:38:29 <jcsullins> but I am investigating it
Feb 05 23:56:18 <NuttyBunny> No problem, whenever you can.  This may seem the only hope this guy has ;)
Feb 06 00:03:29 <NuttyBunny> ok. bbl. I still have to re-setup my znc server :)
Feb 06 00:03:38 <NuttyBunny> Thanks jcsullins
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