**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 28 02:59:59 2012 Jun 28 03:12:03 I didn't really think so. It seems to come and go. Jun 28 03:12:15 I think it might be related to other background things Jun 28 03:27:48 folks Jun 28 03:27:52 * bhuey is back for a bit Jun 28 03:35:06 I am folks! Jun 28 03:37:33 me to Jun 28 04:11:58 ok guys i am back. ready to roll Jun 28 04:12:50 i read 'ready to troll' Jun 28 04:14:45 same difference Jun 28 04:15:20 YO Jun 28 04:15:24 LET'S MAKE SOME HARDWAREZ Jun 28 04:17:13 YOYOYO Jun 28 04:19:54 rofl Jun 28 04:19:59 LMAO Jun 28 04:20:08 okay that was good. Jun 28 04:21:03 i could've done it way better but i just got done dealing poker for 6 hrs with a bunch of idiots Jun 28 04:22:23 how much did you make from said poker Jun 28 04:23:05 not a lot, i was dealing not playing. charity gaming dealers make about $8-$12/hr for tournaments Jun 28 04:24:51 aha... Jun 28 04:58:32 hmm. i thought i'd see what happens if i bumped up the optimization level on gcc, only to discover that there actually isn't a -O4 on gcc, which probably means I'm so out of date with Unix, I'm using HP-UX or NeXT command lines. ugh Jun 28 05:01:11 seems to have no obvious side effects, though, other than increasing the binary by about 1k Jun 28 05:04:13 and immediately after, my changes somehow get overwritten. argh Jun 28 05:20:24 what are these "// Only used by Nokia" keys in webosDeviceKeydefs o.O Jun 28 05:20:47 EricBlade, you find all the interesting stuff. Jun 28 05:21:32 DeviceTwain ? did they have webOS on scanners too? Jun 28 05:21:58 yeah i should stop searching code for interesting stuff, and start doing interesting stuff Jun 28 05:22:25 but i haven't actually figured out how to get it to build except when using the default behavior of unpacking a tarball for me Jun 28 05:26:55 remember we saw photos of printers with webOS on it. Jun 28 05:41:58 EricBlade: I'm sure that you'll find lots. ;P Jun 28 05:55:36 EricBlade, you found any other easter eggs in there? Jun 28 05:57:18 i'm only up to the D's in the source, and i skipped a bunch anyway Jun 28 05:57:59 going to head to bed again, morning brings work Jun 28 05:58:21 got an email from the other part time job i keep saying "uh, hey, we need 15 hrs this week" .. oops Jun 28 07:42:09 folks Jun 28 07:42:21 Marc Andreessen on Charlie Rose discussing technology tonight Jun 28 07:42:27 just finished watching it Jun 28 07:42:39 as many know it was him that pushed for the open sourcing of webOS Jun 28 08:03:25 bhuey: can you offer a link? Jun 28 09:43:35 hey Jun 28 09:44:54 there probably is nothing yet I can refresh my original Palm Pre (1) with :-? Jun 28 10:18:09 mephinet: not posted yet, probably will be posted tomorrow on the Charlie Rose website Jun 28 10:18:27 He said nothing of HP really Jun 28 10:18:42 they avoided all attempts at talking about it Jun 28 10:20:40 probably because of conflicts with his role at HP and the raw embarrassment of the situation Jun 28 10:21:35 what was clear here though is the influence of Phil McKinney in his vocabulary Jun 28 10:21:49 a good sign but really doesn't amount to anything real Jun 28 13:13:20 anyone here familiar with Vagrant? vagrantup.com Jun 28 13:13:27 might be cool to build a Vagrantfile for this http://webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_build_Instructions Jun 28 13:13:39 do everything but the novacom stuff auto-magically Jun 28 13:57:49 morning Jun 28 14:00:16 there probably is nothing yet I can refresh my original Palm Pre (1) with :-? Jun 28 14:03:36 is it a touchpad? Jun 28 14:04:00 * rxr ? original Pré phone, ... Jun 28 14:04:38 did you read the blog or any of the articles out there about what this is? Jun 28 14:04:57 open web os ports? Jun 28 14:05:06 got the impression general place for open web os stuff, ... Jun 28 14:05:30 rxr: target is touchpad for now Jun 28 14:05:48 what was announced was they opensourced some components for the Touchpad... alas nothing for phones... Jun 28 14:05:51 rxr: if other devices will be supported depends on people willing to do the work I would say Jun 28 14:06:27 ka6sox: Well, you are open for people who want to bring it on other devices, including Palms, right? Jun 28 14:06:48 ka6sox: Just starting with the touchpad as best target for now Jun 28 14:07:22 ok, thanks for now then Jun 28 14:08:04 actually the most interesting bits would be PowerVR driver, though guess that's not part of any open source release in the forseable future anyway :-/ Jun 28 14:08:33 its unfortunate the powerVR driver is not a easy component to work on ;( Jun 28 14:08:35 rxr: I doubt Palm itself has seen the source of the powervr driver :) Jun 28 14:08:55 yeah :-/ Jun 28 14:08:59 rxr: even OEM only get blobs Jun 28 14:09:10 and then they are "blobs" Jun 28 14:09:11 :( Jun 28 14:09:24 the old webos on my Pre is so slow; I have my doubts it is using hardware acceleration at all though, ... Jun 28 14:11:24 rxr I suspect that part of that is lack of RAM. Jun 28 14:14:27 okay, updated the homepage to reflect our current project. Jun 28 16:03:51 hacky, but i've got it building my tree now Jun 28 16:04:43 after doing an initial build, comment the instructions in the makefile that do the unpacking of a new tarball, make a symlink to my source tree in build/src, and then apply the sysmgr.patch by hand since it refused to patch for some reason Jun 28 16:16:43 anyone know if calling g_warning is enough to get something to log? Jun 28 16:19:45 wow the indentations in this source are completely screwing up Visual Studio's auto indentation. nightmare. Jun 28 16:23:05 EricBlade, g_warning should be enough, afaik Jun 28 16:23:37 EricBlade, have you looked at the glib docs? Jun 28 16:23:48 not in years Jun 28 16:24:16 ok now to figure out how to get it to -rebuild- .. deleting the LunaSysMgr binary, and modifying source code doesn't do it o.O Jun 28 16:24:40 should be a .built file somewhere you can remove Jun 28 16:26:34 great, awesome. triggers a whole rebuild, but i can live with that for now Jun 28 16:30:21 wow gcc throws an error if i don't handle every possible value for an enum in a switch on it .. Jun 28 16:35:58 EricBlade: I thought -O4 was for enabling LTO Jun 28 16:36:26 oh hmmm I live in LLVM-land too much apparently, not sure if that's the case with gcc or not (googling for it gives me lattner's proposal to the gcc list that they do that lol) Jun 28 16:37:57 EricBlade: j/w re:error on covering all enum possibilities--that's only with -Werror (and -Wswitch-enum or whatever) and if you don't have a 'default' or similar, right? Jun 28 16:38:35 i didn't have a default, and i guess so. was jsut vaguely surprised that it actually noticed Jun 28 16:39:03 seems like a reasonable warning to emit, shrug. "This switch has undefined behavior for the range of values that the type specifies might dynamically occur" seems solid enough Jun 28 16:39:14 but dunno, there are always exceptions :) Jun 28 16:40:02 anyway hehe nbd Jun 28 16:40:21 EricBlade: if you have ideas regarding making our build infra better for developers, please let me know :) Jun 28 16:40:49 i'd be exploring them myself, but I gotta shift gears away from WOCE for a bit, so not joining the lunasysmgr hackathon fun :) Jun 28 16:41:01 i don't know how to implement it exactly, but i'd like a make target that can build using a custom source location rather than a tarball Jun 28 16:42:27 hmm okay. and probably would be useful to separate the configuration step too then, yes? Jun 28 16:42:45 so if it's already configured it just runs 'make' which will do your desired partial build Jun 28 16:42:56 i would think so, yes Jun 28 16:43:45 interesting. The Orientation sensor calls "Up" button-down. The gesture events calls the button edge the "Right" side. Jun 28 16:44:04 and the orientation daemon calls the Button-Up orientation "Forward" Jun 28 17:04:09 EricBlade: if you comment out "rm -rf build/armv7-stage" and "mkdir -p build/armv7-stage" in ./packages/sysmgr/luna-sysmgr, it shouldn't rebuild everything Jun 28 17:05:13 sadly, the flick gesture is not received at least in the code that i'm currently working in, when the screen is off Jun 28 17:19:32 excellent pc-world Jun 28 17:40:49 ok i got task switching gesture up Jun 28 17:41:17 oh? Jun 28 17:41:19 now, i'd -really- like to figure out if there's a way to swallow the entire gesture from getting passed on .. my guess is no, otherwise they would've done it alraedy Jun 28 17:41:25 pics or it never happened. Jun 28 17:42:41 give me a couple minutes and i'll push code Jun 28 17:42:49 i'm not sure how to pic a gesture :D Jun 28 17:46:17 making sure it's building after i clean up, then testing it to make sure i got the right direction in all the orientations Jun 28 17:47:29 I think the lack of swallowing the input might explain why it wasn't like this to begin with Jun 28 18:00:06 damn that's way better Jun 28 18:00:11 EricBlade: wipe the screen off, get some grease on your finger, swipe it, and then take a picture Jun 28 18:00:51 ok, got it swallowing screen swipe events that are processed. it's not 100% perfect, but it's a big improvement. doesn't pass the up-swipes into your apps anymore Jun 28 18:05:40 hmm. every time i install a new one,it shuts wifi off Jun 28 18:07:22 that is entirely possible Jun 28 18:07:32 although I don't remember mine doing that Jun 28 18:07:40 it is really annoying that i can't just dump videos to youtube from my pre3, and i can only email myself 9 second videos Jun 28 18:07:54 ... Jun 28 18:17:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FMVVv1NZ1w Jun 28 18:17:44 shiny Jun 28 18:20:37 very Jun 28 18:21:03 TO THE TWITTERS Jun 28 18:21:33 FIRST! https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/1 Jun 28 18:21:54 REJECTED Jun 28 18:21:59 noooo! Jun 28 18:24:10 EricBlade I'm going to say that there is a 99% chance that pull request is rejected due to organization/planning stuff atm. Jun 28 18:24:23 Not because its not cool. Which it is. Jun 28 18:24:29 Dammit. I want that. Jun 28 18:24:50 pull it off my tree then Jun 28 18:25:20 I am going to end up doing that Jun 28 18:26:25 But right now the bringin stuff back in thing is still being planned Jun 28 18:29:56 EricBlade: how does this gesture work exactly? (sorry, didn't read the whole IRC log) Jun 28 18:29:57 Okay, thats pretty sweet, EricBlade Jun 28 18:31:08 EricBlade: okay, just saw the video you uploaded Jun 28 18:31:14 will definitely install this Jun 28 18:31:29 was one of the things I missed most in webOS 3 (in comparison to 1/2) Jun 28 18:31:59 let me know if it has any weird side effects on anything.. other than swipes from the bezel not being absorbed into the apps now Jun 28 18:31:59 Yeah Jun 28 18:32:04 Its damn nice. Jun 28 18:32:40 such modifications should be available in WebOS Port's LunaSysMgr package in Preware, though with options to turn such mods on/off Jun 28 18:33:17 at the moment, it should connect to the "Advanced Gestures" option in settings Jun 28 18:33:25 ah okay Jun 28 18:33:28 that should be fine Jun 28 18:33:58 is there any way in github to download plain patch files? Jun 28 18:34:06 That way I could easily apply such mods Jun 28 18:34:20 you can upload files to it if need be Jun 28 18:34:39 I mean to download patch files for commits Jun 28 18:35:09 I would be shocked if there wasn't Jun 28 18:36:00 I see a visual diff, but not a raw one (https://github.com/ericblade/LunaSysMgr/commit/3cc8dddc02bfd6a5b8abe4ee890986dc35b1ad6e) Jun 28 18:38:19 found it, though an unofficial link (https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/1.diff) Jun 28 18:40:51 i was hoping while i was in there, i'd be able to get it to wake up with a long swipe, like PBOS, but the touchpanel is turned off when the screen goes off Jun 28 18:41:52 EricBlade: I've heard that it's rather annoying on the Playbook Jun 28 18:42:08 (but, still, it's always good to have an option) Jun 28 18:43:13 the playbook seems to not just react to a long swipe, but everything seems to still be active when the screen is off Jun 28 18:44:55 i'd like to try it sometime, once i locate a relevant part of the code, i bet it reacts better than the playbook, better hardware Jun 28 18:45:29 also, i can't fit my touchpad in my pants pocket Jun 28 18:45:40 which is when my playbook goes crazy Jun 28 18:45:46 EricBlade: not sure, but maybe you could try to install Nodoze Jun 28 18:45:48 You're not Vanilla Ice? Jun 28 18:50:34 no Jun 28 20:02:00 although, you're probably right, pc-world, once i figure out how to make a new preference setting for it, since the lack of it existing prior had generated those patches, and apparentyl advanced browser makes use of a gesture Jun 28 20:05:24 pc-world: just add .patch or .diff to any commit URL on github ^.^ Jun 28 20:30:33 ok are there any more functions in here that we're missing from 2? heh Jun 28 20:40:14 this is totally beyond me right now, but .. maybe we could try to add a back/fwd gesture area to the status bar Jun 28 20:40:22 in the mostly empty area Jun 28 20:47:49 moved the pull request over to the webOS-Ports fork rather than the main tree Jun 28 20:55:03 EricBlade, ty Jun 28 20:56:32 hi, I'm trying out woce lunasysmgr but have trouble copying the file to my touchpad, novacom put just hangs. when copying via webosquickinstall and manually moving the file everything works fine. what could possible be wrong? Jun 28 20:56:59 m__: i have same problem. are you using a virtual machine? Jun 28 20:57:42 no, just a regular ubuntu x64 installation Jun 28 20:58:00 well, now i know it's not my VM then :) Jun 28 20:58:10 glad to help ;-) Jun 28 20:58:33 m__ are you trying to directly copy it to /usr/bin on top of the existing one? Jun 28 20:59:08 I've tried both copying directly to /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr and copying to /media/internal and then moving it Jun 28 20:59:10 i wonder if the open source version of novacom would work instead of the compiled one Jun 28 20:59:33 you cannot copy directly to /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr Jun 28 20:59:36 i can't novacom put from ubuntu, although all the other novacom commands seem to work Jun 28 20:59:38 it will not work Jun 28 20:59:44 it works for me from windows Jun 28 20:59:48 you mush stop LunaSysMgr first Jun 28 20:59:54 yes after stopping lunasysmgr Jun 28 21:00:11 yes, stopping lunasysmgr and then copying the file it hangs Jun 28 21:00:45 I've been following the guide on http://webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_build_Instructions (it says copy directly to /usr/bin Jun 28 21:03:10 m__: i wanted to get to work on it, so i made this little stop gap .. https://github.com/woce/woce-build/issues/4 Jun 28 21:06:56 EricBlade: nice, at least it's better than webosquickinstall Jun 28 21:07:26 i'm hoping that i can find a command that will put the touchpad into usb mode, as well as fix novacom Jun 28 21:08:46 looks like i need to do some more installations of stuff before i can compile novacom/novacomd from source, those are complaining about pthread and usb missing Jun 28 21:11:51 i love you, Palm. //ALL YOUR MOUSE EVENT HANDLING ARE BELONG TO US! Jun 28 21:11:52 ka6sox: so what's the plan with pull requests? will you approve anything that improves the OS? will you be selective about what you accept? Jun 28 21:15:19 Tibfib_, that is still under discussion Jun 28 21:15:23 :) Jun 28 21:15:28 we already know the virtual keyboard had support for phones, looks like it was intentional Jun 28 21:15:41 scoutcamper: glad to hear Jun 28 21:16:13 I think it could get really out of hand if everything got approved. but I think there should be places where all additions can go... Jun 28 21:16:53 Tibfib_, you know that there will mutually exclusive and things that simply are too dangerous for us to put them out... Jun 28 21:17:24 however...since its github you can "intentionally" build them yourself... Jun 28 21:17:29 sure Jun 28 21:18:09 I seriously doubt that if someone wants me to make it look like Android I'll be jumping up and down to include that... Jun 28 21:19:03 I'm just afraid of feature creep. I think there should be a core version that is VERY strict about being improved upon Jun 28 21:19:20 hrm Jun 28 21:19:41 I'm having trouble communicating what I mean Jun 28 21:20:50 Tibfib_, the Canon will *always be on the woce/ github tree Jun 28 21:21:30 things that are being considered for mainline will be on webos-ports/ Jun 28 21:21:50 * EricBlade wonders if "enterMSM" is "go to USB mode" Jun 28 21:22:15 MSM is the bootloader bits I think... Jun 28 21:22:20 k, I guess I'm just saying is that I hope it is very strict on what is accepted to maintain the high quality of webOS Jun 28 21:22:58 Tibfib_, WOSI has set a HIGH bar for what we do...and we intend to keep that high bar. Jun 28 21:23:07 great to hear Jun 28 21:26:33 ah.. brick mode is USB mode Jun 28 21:26:59 sounds logical :p Jun 28 21:42:42 hey EricBlade, how does that interact with the browser patch that gives you a side-swipe menu? Jun 28 21:43:34 my guess is probably not very coexistent, it probably doesn't trigger the patch Jun 28 21:44:27 at some point we'll probably have an established way to let users decide things like this Jun 28 21:44:31 (just like adv gestures option, etc) Jun 28 21:45:21 Add ThumbNav Controls? i'll try it Jun 28 21:45:41 I'm not sure what it's called, let me go see if my touchpad has juice Jun 28 21:45:51 if your touchpad has juice o.O Jun 28 21:46:05 oh hey, 27% power Jun 28 21:46:10 why is your touchpad on steroids... Jun 28 21:46:14 * dwc- has no idea when the last time this thing saw a charger Jun 28 21:48:03 hmm. if your browser is the only thing open, or if it's far most left or right, and you try to use that side, it appears to work as normal, although the app makes a little jiggly animation, as they do when you try to next when you're at the last Jun 28 21:48:25 however, if you just tap the far right or left edge, it works great Jun 28 21:48:28 yea, "add thumbnav controls" is the one I've got Jun 28 21:49:10 tapping the edge of the screen triggers the popup without the prev/next Jun 28 21:52:03 i don't have catalog on there to try advanced browser Jun 28 21:58:27 that's odd, preware on my touchpad is only showing stuff up through 'Older' even though I know the precentral feed for sure has more stuff than that Jun 28 22:17:20 o_O strange Jun 28 22:17:41 yea, but this is OT Jun 28 22:44:57 i didn't think this sideswipe would be that huge of a deal, but people love it Jun 28 22:46:15 :D:D Jun 28 22:46:37 EricBlade, keep in mind that no one has been able to mod luna untill two days ago, so yes, its a huge deal Jun 28 23:00:01 not degrading your work, but it could pop up purple unicorns and people would be thrilled by the concept ;) Jun 28 23:00:14 but I think a lot of people miss the sideswipe/powerswipe Jun 28 23:00:20 dammit Jun 28 23:00:24 now I want unicorns Jun 28 23:02:31 graphics aren't my thing. that's why i'm just a "gameplay engineer" and not a "engine engineer" Jun 28 23:03:16 lies Jun 28 23:04:04 i could make the log say it's popping up purple unicorns though. It'll be like a text adventure. Jun 28 23:04:18 "> OPEN MAILBOX" "There are purple unicorns inside." Jun 28 23:22:36 EricBlade, can the swipe be enabled and disabled via something like "advanced options"? Jun 28 23:23:02 it's tied to the Advanced Gestures option currently, same as up Jun 28 23:24:35 Tibfib_: my personal feeling on what should be mainlined is along the lines of UberKernel - it should be benign by default and be enabled by an option (like the "Advanced Gestures" option on the phones). Jun 28 23:24:39 it doesn't appear like it should be very difficult to handle adding additional options, however there probably needs to be an approach decided on how exactly to do that -- it would require patching the prefs app, unless the prefs apps are hiding in Luna and I haven't noticed it yet Jun 28 23:24:58 can always make a new prefs app Jun 28 23:25:02 or a seperate app Jun 28 23:25:11 I mean, webos already has like 14 of them, what's one more? :P Jun 28 23:25:46 There's some homebrew AllInOneSettings app isn't there? Jun 28 23:25:53 there is Jun 28 23:26:34 and it looks quite nice too, it really makes sense on a tablet Jun 28 23:27:10 i'd be a huge fan of having a universal system in webos for storing preferences, and having both a universal preferences app and a panel in each app for working with their own settings Jun 28 23:28:10 yeah the old apps wouldn't connect to it (unless they use the existing preferences service, possibly, which would need to be expanded upon, and for some reason the docs seem to indicate that you shouldn't use it), but sometimes a price has to be paid for progress. this is getting OT. Jun 28 23:31:03 tweaks? Jun 28 23:46:11 idk how OT it is--lunasysmgr features/etc are one of the primary dev areas atm Jun 28 23:46:31 errr /is/ the primary dev area Jun 28 23:46:32 :) Jun 28 23:46:51 seems completely on-topic to me Jun 28 23:47:01 and features should be protected by some kinda configuration--and so discussion of how to architect that sounds 100% what we should be talking about :) Jun 28 23:47:04 rwhitby: exactly :) Jun 28 23:47:52 oh, for sure, but creating a huge expansion to the existing palm service or whatever seems more of the scope for open webos than for ce Jun 28 23:48:25 my thoughts are if it can be done with the CE release, then it's fair game Jun 28 23:50:34 ...please let's not have yet another channel, #webos-openwebos :P :) Jun 28 23:51:56 well, my thoughts are that ideally, apps would use the com.palm.settings or whatever the service is called .. to store their settings, and then there would be a universal app that would display them organized by app (much like apple), and each app would have their own settings panel. the only thing that trips me up is localization, since i have no idea how that works in webos, if there's even a coherent system, considering that En Jun 28 23:58:10 EricBlade, iirc Tweaks can do things like this Jun 28 23:58:19 but yes, I am in agreement Jun 28 23:58:34 dtzWill, what we are discussing here IS On-Topic...Spot On. Jun 29 00:03:37 i'm not sure exactly how com.palm.settings works, because one of the earliest tutorials i read on it mentioned that it either did not guarantee persistent storage, or that it was deprecated, i don't recall exactly Jun 29 00:03:46 so i completely ignored it Jun 29 00:05:46 rwhitby, can tweaks be used here? Jun 29 00:45:25 i'd hate to have a bunch of apps that didn't implement their own settings view, though, then we'd just be like apple, where all the settings are in a single app, which is nice if you want to change a lot of settings, but it's not so nice when you want to change the settings in the app Jun 29 00:53:49 well, with webOS you can just push the relevant scene from the settings app in your own app, so you get the best of both worlds. Jun 29 00:54:29 that works fine with an app...but not LSM Jun 29 01:05:03 you can .. uh.. do what? Jun 29 01:08:25 I thought you could call a scene from a different app - wasn't that one of webOS's touted features for app developers? Jun 29 01:18:13 possible, but i'm not familiar with it Jun 29 01:19:25 also, enyo apps aren't really structured with multiple scenes Jun 29 01:25:44 EricBlade, have you see this AIO app? Jun 29 01:25:51 just pictures Jun 29 01:25:54 oh, you can't do that with Enyo? Bummer. Jun 29 01:27:40 it might be possible, but that's not how they've typically been done. i don't know how the scene stuff works at all Jun 29 01:29:09 you might be able to grab another apps components vs a scene Jun 29 01:29:11 * halfhalo dunnos Jun 29 01:36:42 er.. anyway.. what existing facility do we have that could be used? tweaks? or should we write an app for this purpose Jun 29 01:40:03 weirdness.. a couple days ago my pre3 battery drained in like 2 hours from a full charge for no obvious reason, it wasn't under load that i could tell, and since then has been fine. my main touchpad just did it today Jun 29 01:40:25 do these things just not do well in 90degree weather? Jun 29 01:50:14 well i will come back in a few hrs bbl Jun 29 01:50:30 did anyone figure out the invalid pin problem with the CE LunaSysMgr? Jun 29 01:50:56 I tried uncommenting it out, but the blowfish key wasn't shipped so it's useless Jun 29 01:52:19 someone had said that when you start it up, it prompts you to enter a new password, not the old one Jun 29 01:54:46 you have to unlock it to restart it, haha Jun 29 01:55:15 or novaterm to reboot Jun 29 01:56:57 and rebooting doesn't get a new-pin dialog Jun 29 02:02:59 dtzWill: I can't update the build wiki, but you may want to add a step that runs novaterm on the device and "rm /var/luna/data/.passcode" Jun 29 02:05:42 fahhem, are you on github? Jun 29 02:05:48 yeah Jun 29 02:06:31 file a pull against woce/woce-build Jun 29 02:06:36 with that suggestion Jun 29 02:06:50 is the wiki in that repo? Jun 29 02:06:52 fork/mod/pull request Jun 29 02:07:04 no no....its a pull request for adding that to the build. Jun 29 02:07:39 oh, but it's a one-time thing, only when you go from HP -> CE LunaSysMgr Jun 29 02:07:52 and maybe if you switch back Jun 29 02:14:59 err I'm not sure what woce-build can do about it Jun 29 02:15:15 guess once it creates a package, that installable package can try to resolve that sort of issue Jun 29 02:15:40 feel like this is really a lunasysmgr bug that should be fixed by lunasysmgr to not enforce a passcode in these conditions? Jun 29 02:15:46 maybe? :) Jun 29 02:17:34 maybe Jun 29 02:18:34 anyway that's lame and definitely needs to be fixed before we pass this to users :) Jun 29 02:26:11 Adora: welcome! :) Jun 29 02:59:31 I have to go, but if anybody still has their blowfish encrypted passcode, can they tell me if it's [a-z0-9=] or [A-Z0-9=] ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 29 02:59:58 2012