**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 02 02:59:58 2012 Jul 02 03:01:21 I'm told that things like Xecutah are bombing...but not how. Jul 02 03:11:11 pdk apps are bombing as a whole. all seem to be different bombings Jul 02 03:11:43 only thing i see in common is when they are in card view, they appear as if they have the flash play logo over them Jul 02 03:18:14 I will withhold comment as I have no idea why it seems to be asking for the wrong handler Jul 02 03:24:03 thanks for your help guys, got CE installed through arch via ssh Jul 02 03:24:11 yw Jul 02 03:24:15 enjoy! Jul 02 03:24:17 how can I verify the install? Jul 02 03:24:34 if PDK apps are broken :( Jul 02 03:25:57 haha alrighty so no angry birds then huh Jul 02 03:26:26 unfortunately..not yet. Jul 02 03:26:30 its a WIP Jul 02 03:26:41 that's fine, I want to help out if possible Jul 02 03:27:04 I'm off for tonight though, thanks for the ssh suggestion Jul 02 03:48:54 bbl...Jacuzzi Jul 02 04:28:17 ok.. so.. now, my power is back .. what do i need to know Jul 02 04:30:44 that its broken? Jul 02 04:30:51 and I don't know why... Jul 02 04:32:09 ok i picked up the new woce-build .. anything i need to know there? Jul 02 04:34:00 it allows you to create fully custom builds by allowing various user defined locations of things. Jul 02 04:35:12 well i relocated my custom source tree just in case, and gave it a 'make' and now it's rebuilding qt .. yippe. Jul 02 04:38:20 EricBlade: sorry about the qt rebuild :/ Jul 02 04:38:38 no problem, looks like it's done now, and is building luna Jul 02 04:38:47 EricBlade: anyway by default the update does the same thing Jul 02 04:39:06 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_build_Instructions#Developer_Extras Jul 02 04:39:30 in short, by editing 'config/custom.mk' you can have it use your own source location for luna/etc Jul 02 04:40:00 so the update introduced idea of 'config's, default being woce (stock+bugfixes) webos-ports (stable latest 'canon') and 'custom' (for dev use/luna hacking) Jul 02 04:40:25 :D Jul 02 04:40:41 EricBlade: lmk if you have any issues or questions Jul 02 04:40:43 that's fantastic Jul 02 04:41:25 (it should do a neat 'incremental' rebuild of luna after you update a source file too, fwiw) Jul 02 04:42:50 so, when we ship this to the touchpad, is this using a copy of QT that is already present on device, or if we were to make changes to QT (not that I would) would that go along with it, ie statically linked? Jul 02 04:43:11 EricBlade: dynamically linked, and we only build qt, atm, for the resulting qmake :/ Jul 02 04:43:25 which makes it as a dep reallllly annoying. improvements in that area welcome :) Jul 02 04:43:46 but moving forward, as the overall 'woce' project progresses, I imagine we'll want to actually use the resulting qt libraries as well Jul 02 04:43:47 i don't even know what qmake does Jul 02 04:44:13 EricBlade: it how we build luna--run qmake and it generates makefiles that we can use Jul 02 04:44:29 so, which version of QT do we have on device then? Jul 02 04:44:30 using a config file, a 'mkspec', and i believe various compile-time (of qmake) parameters Jul 02 04:44:42 EricBlade: in theory the same as the source we're building in woce-build AFAIK Jul 02 04:45:21 but if you're wondering if qt being off a biti might explain things like the text box behavior changes? I'd say quite possibly, although I don't really know :) Jul 02 04:46:40 ok, /usr/lib/libQt* are 4.8.0 Jul 02 04:47:15 yeah, sorry. 4.8.0 with palm's patches, anyway. Jul 02 04:47:26 (opensource.palm.com--that's where woce-build gets them too) Jul 02 04:50:20 great. now, i wonder how i can add my make install step back in .. Jul 02 04:51:08 probably just add it in without making it dependent on any targets Jul 02 04:51:48 EricBlade: which makefile do you add it to? honestly either way i think making it dep on 'build' would probably do what you want Jul 02 04:52:08 i had it in the top level makefile Jul 02 04:53:22 EricBlade: yeah, dep on 'custom' and away you go Jul 02 04:53:56 ("make custom" builds the custom config, more generally you can do "make CONFIG=configname, but I made more convenient targets for the ones that we ship with) Jul 02 04:55:22 EricBlade, the only issue I have with adding that as *the* make install target is that we have folks who are not able to get the USB to work correctly. Jul 02 04:57:13 oh, yay, it left the install and installusb that i made earlier in the makefile .. yay git Jul 02 04:57:50 he he... Jul 02 04:58:24 EricBlade, would you mind calling it installnova and installusb? Jul 02 04:59:03 fine by me Jul 02 04:59:24 it *may* be become the default installer :D Jul 02 05:01:31 hmm. my virtualbox has a 10.0 IP address, my LAN uses 192.168 .. how the hell does my VM talk to my LAN.. Jul 02 05:02:00 NAT? Jul 02 05:05:29 hmm. i want to setup wifi novacom to my VM, but I can't seem to figure out how to access the VM from outside Jul 02 05:06:19 it seems to be gatewaying through my router .. but the router doesn't list it in the connected devices Jul 02 05:06:34 perhaps better to bridge the network in network settings Jul 02 05:06:55 EricBlade: bridged interface + local-only virtual network? Jul 02 05:07:20 well if it was bridged i guess you'd appear in your router--so must be NAT'd indeed. hmmm. Jul 02 05:11:07 EricBlade, NAT Jul 02 05:12:42 ok i have a "virtualbox network adapter" on my PC that has an IP address of 192.168.56.1 .. and if i ssh to it, i find myself logged into the touchpad that is usb'd to it. Jul 02 05:13:12 excellent. Jul 02 05:13:13 er.. Jul 02 05:13:25 maybe i end up connected to the USB touchpad. i need to rename one of them Jul 02 05:13:31 er the wifi touchpad Jul 02 05:14:10 yeah that's the wifi connected one. wth Jul 02 05:14:33 oh well i'll just continue using usb for now Jul 02 05:16:05 usb or usbnet? Jul 02 05:17:11 novacom usb Jul 02 05:17:17 kk Jul 02 05:17:21 hmm.. the install target doesn't quite work, now Jul 02 05:23:06 hope i don't have to go through a complete rebuild every time something doesn't work right o.O Jul 02 05:24:15 it should do incrementals Jul 02 05:26:28 putting make install dependent on "build" failed, and when i removed the dependency on build, it said the LunaSysMgr wasn't there anymore .. so i did a make custom again, and it rebuilt everything Jul 02 05:27:52 hmm. i see it added an extra dir into the build process, /build/custom/armv7 .. Jul 02 05:31:07 ok looks like i'm back running, making my install not dependent on build, fine by me for now Jul 02 05:31:42 so, if i ever actually get the layout issues fixed here - are we interested in my change to allow developers to double the height of a notification? Jul 02 05:33:23 EricBlade: that's really strange, and definitely shouldn't happen. I'm interested in whatever you did that caused the full rebuild Jul 02 05:33:34 but of course am reluctant to ask you to try to trigger it again ;) Jul 02 05:33:53 but anyway you wanna put the dep on 'custom' for sure Jul 02 05:34:10 my make install looked exactly like it did in the post on the issues board Jul 02 05:34:19 i ran make install, it spit out an error halfway through, and died Jul 02 05:34:41 then i ran make custom and it rebuilt Jul 02 05:34:46 oh, that's because of the missing 'custom' in the path Jul 02 05:34:47 strange Jul 02 05:35:08 yeah the error was on something in the build dependency not in the missing custom Jul 02 05:35:12 the failure i mean, is preusmably due to (what you said) the fact that the resulting binary now has the config as part of its path Jul 02 05:35:19 oh okay Jul 02 05:35:29 well dep'ing on build is wrong, it'll try to run it with CONFIG= set Jul 02 05:35:50 (sorry for misleading on that earlier) Jul 02 05:36:00 but regardless shouldn't have caused custom to do a full rebuild Jul 02 05:36:05 so, it goes into luna-sysmgr/build/($CONFIG)/armv7-stage/ ... ? Jul 02 05:36:19 i'll think about it and poke a bit and see if i can't figure out what caused what happened for you Jul 02 05:36:25 EricBlade: yes, that's correct. Jul 02 05:37:06 so if i put ($CONFIG) in there, could i "make custom install" ? Jul 02 05:37:32 argh my visual studio lost it's open files list Jul 02 05:43:28 EricBlade: make install CONFIG=custom, unfortunately Jul 02 05:44:46 or 'make install-custom' or similar (with install-custom is install target tailored for custom, regarding its deps and where it expects LSM... this could be done with macros) Jul 02 05:45:03 anyway whatever works for you for the moment :) Jul 02 06:25:27 i -think- i've almost got it Jul 02 06:25:38 * halfhalo yawns. Jul 02 06:25:41 Whats new people Jul 02 06:26:56 woot Jul 02 06:27:39 halfhalo, I am about to break things...and its YOUR fault... Jul 02 06:27:40 :D Jul 02 06:27:48 I'm ok with that Jul 02 06:28:23 15hrs later... Jul 02 06:29:37 now if Milla will cooperate with me I'll be happy. Jul 02 06:30:28 the box is now 520MB...not the 299MB it was...but then it has everything we should need. Jul 02 06:40:45 yes!! got the dashboards laying out properly Jul 02 06:41:18 anyone know a way to force the device to go to the lock screen? Jul 02 06:42:51 push the side button then push it again? Jul 02 06:44:03 power just turns the display off, hitting it again, turns it back on Jul 02 06:44:43 and usually locks the screen Jul 02 06:44:55 doesn't seem to Jul 02 06:45:14 thats different behaviour then. Jul 02 06:45:29 i need to see if the notifications window on the lock display uses the same container as the regular one. i think/hope it does Jul 02 06:45:41 gogo gadget upload! Jul 02 06:48:43 hmm. i'm not ever getting the lock screen on my dev pad Jul 02 06:50:26 turning on pin made that work Jul 02 06:51:21 yay! it works Jul 02 06:54:39 are PDK apps broken in WOCE? Jul 02 06:56:26 apparently so Jul 02 06:56:48 morning dukiedrew Jul 02 06:56:57 hi Jul 02 06:58:07 are you planning on having the tabs pulled into WOCE? Jul 02 07:02:12 hey, yeah, i want to eventually post/pull that Jul 02 07:02:23 but in the process of debugging I saw the PDK issue Jul 02 07:03:07 of course now i screwed up my build Jul 02 07:03:53 i copied files over, and when running I get a make error (127) Jul 02 07:04:06 ugh Jul 02 07:04:08 not fun Jul 02 07:04:59 make[4]: [release-/.obj/CpuAffinity.o] Error 127 (ignored) make[4]: c: Command not found make[4]: [release-/.obj/HostBase.o] Error 127 (ignored) make[4]: c: Command not found Jul 02 07:05:39 anyway, before this, I added a method to add cards directly into group view Jul 02 07:05:43 was trying to get Just Type to do that too, Jul 02 07:05:59 but I can't figure out when Just Type calls for the new window creation Jul 02 07:06:07 so I assume that's in JS somewhere Jul 02 07:06:18 or in "LunaUniversalSearchMgr" Jul 02 07:06:28 but i'm not seeing yet how that is connected Jul 02 07:10:33 maybe progress on this front Jul 02 07:11:29 i'm wondering if the PDK issue has to do w/ Full Screen Jul 02 07:12:03 foks Jul 02 07:12:04 folks Jul 02 07:12:08 bhuey Jul 02 07:12:17 hey Jul 02 07:12:36 c'mon milla...another hour to upload :P Jul 02 07:12:42 somebody should do a kernel build where they turn off the second core and replace the stock scheduler with BFS Jul 02 07:13:01 bhuey, you have the source :D Jul 02 07:13:11 the msm_stats daemon takes up about 5-10 percent of the CPU time just freaking polling Jul 02 07:13:30 to deal with the second core coming up and down from a power off state Jul 02 07:14:27 have you tried disabling msm_stats? Jul 02 07:14:39 does that kill things? Jul 02 07:15:07 you can't kill that thing Jul 02 07:15:21 what happens when you do? Jul 02 07:15:25 it's a complicated since it's linked to the power management of the device Jul 02 07:15:33 that's why I was asking for the powerd sources Jul 02 07:15:36 so that i can rewrite it Jul 02 07:15:41 they are out there. Jul 02 07:15:45 where ? Jul 02 07:16:16 powerd sits on a fiel system that is powered by msm_stats at 10k times a second Jul 02 07:16:30 there's a couple ways you can do this Jul 02 07:17:07 disable msm_stats by rewriting it so that it only wakes powerd when it needs to for operations other than powering up/down the second core Jul 02 07:17:10 https://github.com/openwebos/powerd Jul 02 07:17:18 second core is likely not that useful Jul 02 07:17:41 it would be more useful to have a single faster core than a second core that's a pita to bring up in a timely manner Jul 02 07:18:16 migration with the stock schedule is overly general as well so it doesn't take into power or govenor issues Jul 02 07:18:25 schedule=scheduler Jul 02 07:18:34 ka6sox: ooh Jul 02 07:18:38 will have to look t it Jul 02 07:18:44 when was this released ? Jul 02 07:18:48 kk... Jul 02 07:18:57 march? Jul 02 07:19:00 april? Jul 02 07:19:21 does it build ? Jul 02 07:19:40 if I can't get to build then I might be able to do something in the kernel purely Jul 02 07:19:41 i think it does, but i'm not certain if it's compatible with our current powerd Jul 02 07:19:55 it needs to be the Topaz powerd Jul 02 07:20:12 and not any other device at Palm Jul 02 07:20:46 If can just eliminate that wake and do something else that's like 5 percent CPU time for free Jul 02 07:20:57 in addition to clock bumps Jul 02 07:22:21 bhuey, unknown to me Jul 02 07:22:41 but its worth a shot :D Jul 02 07:45:48 dukiedrew, you still thinking its FS? Jul 02 07:45:54 morning stefan_schmidt_w Jul 02 07:46:19 good morning ka6sox Jul 02 07:46:24 how are you? Jul 02 07:46:51 tired, but happy... Jul 02 07:47:00 long day poking on a project here... Jul 02 07:47:11 waiting for the final upload to finish Jul 02 07:48:01 ah, the good old all-hack nights Jul 02 07:48:09 exhausting but so nice :) Jul 02 07:49:02 FS? Jul 02 07:49:09 ahh Jul 02 07:49:10 Full screen Jul 02 07:49:15 i'm trying to track it down right now Jul 02 07:49:17 stefan_schmidt_w, http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_SDE Jul 02 07:49:49 i always thought full screen didn't show the menu bar at the top Jul 02 07:49:54 and it still is showing that Jul 02 07:50:05 ka6sox: cool Jul 02 07:50:25 ka6sox: Seems I really need to make sure my touchpad follows me soon from DE to UK Jul 02 07:50:25 dukiedrew, when you play AB's it doesnt' show Jul 02 07:51:18 stefan_schmidt_w...ya. rsn I hope to be poking on openwebos with oe-core base (since I see metadata for things already realeased. Jul 02 07:51:41 AB's? Jul 02 07:51:42 ka6sox: that would be soooo sweet :) Jul 02 07:52:20 dukiedrew, Angry Birds Jul 02 07:52:24 hmm Jul 02 07:52:33 i've been using SNES Jul 02 07:52:35 ka6sox: Sadly I can't offer any help at this point. It feels like I need at least another month before I have settled enough to start doing more FOSS in my spare time again Jul 02 07:53:00 stefan_schmidt_w, not to worry...its a FOSS project..no time schedule. Jul 02 07:53:21 if woce-be works as I hope I'll create others for oe-core building Jul 02 07:53:34 ka6sox: yeah, the part I love and hate equally about FOSS projects :) Jul 02 07:53:44 stefan_schmidt_w, true Jul 02 07:58:35 getting the enyo dashboard control itself to fit a double height area is certainly interesting Jul 02 07:59:02 hey Eric I figured out the height today Jul 02 08:01:36 oh? Jul 02 08:02:20 i wasn't taking into acct a "kWindowOrigin" Jul 02 08:02:39 that made the #s add up (to 46 in the landscape orientation case) Jul 02 08:03:33 ka6sox: code is going to take time to dig through, not even sure it's the right stuff yet Jul 02 08:04:09 bhuey, ya, I haven't had much time to even look, been too wrapped up in creating documentation, tools etc. Jul 02 08:12:56 hmm. i may have to enlist someone who has a better knowledge of css than i do Jul 02 08:14:06 EricBlade, I can ask for help in this way too. Jul 02 08:15:11 ka6sox: you should ask if it's the same sources as for the touchpad Jul 02 08:15:16 it doesn't look like it Jul 02 08:18:02 bhuey, not sure I would get an answer. Jul 02 08:18:22 yeah Jul 02 08:19:55 does angry birds work completely? Jul 02 08:20:03 or it just hides the top bar? Jul 02 08:23:50 dukiedrew, not tried it with woce, only stock...and it hides the bar Jul 02 08:24:11 ahh, thanks Jul 02 08:25:24 any OSX users that can test something? Jul 02 08:25:27 http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_SDE Jul 02 08:37:46 interesting...there's a "Type_PDK" Jul 02 08:37:49 and a "Type_Qt" Jul 02 08:43:11 okay, almost 2am...I'm done with poking @ this for the day...nite all. Jul 02 08:53:57 gnite Jul 02 09:10:48 i don't know if it is anything, but how does the UI connect with the apps? Jul 02 09:11:03 i see all these calls to m_channel->sendAsyncMessage Jul 02 09:22:08 or not, perhaps for native it goes all the way back to the PIPC header file Jul 02 10:26:45 ok, here's what i've been working on .. what a mess . http://www.ericbla.de/newdash.jpg Jul 02 10:58:20 fun. the phones report that they get a dashboard height the size of the screen Jul 02 11:22:26 i guess that doesn't matter, because there's something seriously weird preventing my custom dashboard from even thinking about functioning on the phones anyway Jul 02 11:26:50 weirdness. In 3.0, opening a dashboard with it's window in the same app, results in a different window owning the dash, than on 2.0, where the app window apparently owns the dash Jul 02 13:59:28 my first pull request ^^ - https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/4 Jul 02 13:59:35 (for LunaSysMgr) Jul 02 14:09:29 very nice, pc-world! thanks a lot Jul 02 15:29:21 morning Jul 02 15:30:51 EricBlade, mmmm...pretty stuff Jul 02 15:32:13 pc-world, once 3 of us can build it and test I'll pull it in :D Jul 02 15:34:40 ka6sox: okay Jul 02 15:34:40 that "this file was modified by ..."-line is to comply with the Apache License ("You must cause any modified files to carry prominent notices stating that You changed the files") Jul 02 15:36:49 thats all perfectly fine...we like license compliance :D Jul 02 15:38:04 btw, that notice is missing in some modified files Jul 02 15:38:56 (sysmgr.pro, commit pushed by dtzWill) Jul 02 15:38:57 * dtzWill might be guilty there >_> Jul 02 15:39:15 good catch, ty and sorry about that. Jul 02 15:39:51 dtzWill: why sorry? I'm not the copyright-holder :P :D Jul 02 15:44:09 and thanks to whoever put me into the "developer" group on the bug tracker, that way I can much easier update bugs Jul 02 15:47:18 dtzWill: When we use your "make custom" can we be 99% sure that this won't delete our code? Jul 02 15:47:31 or modify it etc. Jul 02 15:47:50 pc-world: it only symlinks it over Jul 02 15:47:52 If that's the case, I could use git and point custom.mk to my own local repo Jul 02 15:47:56 so i'd say, 'yes'. Jul 02 15:48:14 it's not the make custom, it's the use of DLTYPE=DIR Jul 02 15:48:16 dtzWill: so did you remove that "rm -rf"? Jul 02 15:48:41 pc-world: maybe i did maybe i dind't, but as long as your DL dir is not in the build directory (!!) then you'll be fine Jul 02 15:48:51 pc-world: since it symlinks it to build/src and goes from there. Jul 02 15:49:19 (this is also why i kinda pushed ahead on upstreaming the sysmgr.pro patch, so we weren't patching/mucking with source at all) Jul 02 15:49:27 ok - but what's with that DLTYPE? On http://webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_build_Instructions#Developer_Extras I found "run 'make custom'" Jul 02 15:49:36 pc-world: oh Jul 02 15:49:51 the default DLTYPE for LUNASYSMGR is "DIR" in custom.mk Jul 02 15:50:01 pc-world: aka local directory Jul 02 15:50:08 ahh Jul 02 15:50:34 if you'd prefer you can change the DLTYPE to TGZ and give it github-generated tarballs or something Jul 02 15:50:51 I think the DIR method will be fine Jul 02 15:51:17 yeah, it seems the most natural for local dev goodness Jul 02 15:52:55 * halfhalo yawns Jul 02 15:54:48 halfhalo: happy monday morning to you too! ^.^ Jul 02 15:55:09 * dtzWill ducks Jul 02 15:55:27 LOUD NOISES MAKE MY HEAD HURT Jul 02 16:01:59 * halfhalo wants that tab thingamajigger now kthxby Jul 02 16:03:52 dukiedrew_away pingaling. Jul 02 17:22:35 tab thing? Jul 02 17:28:34 tabbed access to stakced cards, iirc Jul 02 17:47:59 summatusmentis: any screenshots of that? Jul 02 17:53:01 http://www.webosnation.com/tabbed-card-stacks-infinite-card-view-and-additional-keyboard-layouts-happening-thanks-webos-communi Jul 02 17:53:55 summatusmentis: much thanks Jul 02 17:54:02 I need to track that site better, I guess Jul 02 17:55:10 I don't follow that site at all, but I follow @webosinternals on twitter, and he's retweeting a lot of the developments coming out of webosports Jul 02 17:57:08 keyboard layouts <3 Jul 02 17:57:21 now we should be able to get all those keys that we need for running things in a terminal Jul 02 17:57:31 summatusmentis: I'll do that instead :) Jul 02 17:57:47 +1 for more keyz Jul 02 17:58:13 I like this tab thing, but it does (seemingly) tie up the swipe-from-left interaction Jul 02 17:58:33 which I currently use (via Tweaks) for "< back" nav in the browser...at least Jul 02 17:58:34 in theory, one could have a different gesture Jul 02 17:59:00 true, then there's the balance of configuration/customization vs. consistency Jul 02 17:59:09 definitely fun times ahead though :) Jul 02 17:59:56 and the browser customization thing does too Jul 02 18:00:01 in any case it looks like the time for a webOS screen-casting app has come :D Jul 02 18:00:09 dwc-: yeah, true Jul 02 18:04:07 someone should get on that. Jul 02 18:05:17 (you can read from /dev/fb0 for most of what luna does) Jul 02 18:05:26 at some point we had a fb-reading VNC server setup Jul 02 18:06:08 couldn't inject keys, but did let you view your device remotely :). and with luna source we could probably do better hehe Jul 02 18:07:09 yup Jul 02 18:50:22 * bigbluehat wonders if anyone's building photo synergy stuff with/for CE? Jul 02 18:54:54 woot! just found the vagrant setup stuff :) http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_SDE#OSX_Setup Jul 02 18:54:58 +1 Lazyweb ;) Jul 02 19:32:20 dukiedrew ping Jul 02 19:33:54 hey Jul 02 19:55:29 hia Jul 02 19:56:12 bigbluehat, still a WIP Jul 02 19:56:16 but its a start Jul 02 19:56:24 yeah, for sure! Jul 02 19:56:29 definitely the way to go Jul 02 19:56:36 what host are you using? Jul 02 19:57:24 bigbluehat, what kind of host are you using for development? Jul 02 19:57:36 ka6sox: Mac Jul 02 19:57:53 can you try that proceedure and let me know if it works sometime? Jul 02 19:58:12 ka6sox: yep, happy to Jul 02 19:58:47 tyvm Jul 02 19:59:01 do you have wiki access to fix things? Jul 02 19:59:02 * bigbluehat already has Vagrant & Virtuabox Jul 02 19:59:08 doubt it Jul 02 19:59:12 * bigbluehat can check Jul 02 19:59:28 bigbluehat, do you already use it? Jul 02 19:59:54 I just setup my account Jul 02 19:59:56 BigBlueHat Jul 02 19:59:58 of all names... Jul 02 20:00:08 okay let me get you access to edit Jul 02 20:00:22 ka6sox: 404 Jul 02 20:00:23 [vagrant] Downloading box: http://downloads.webos-ports.org/woce-be.box Jul 02 20:00:23 Bad status code: 404 Jul 02 20:00:40 okay first problem...brb Jul 02 20:00:41 used the bit.ly link in the wiki Jul 02 20:00:43 :) Jul 02 20:02:46 try now? Jul 02 20:04:09 k Jul 02 20:04:23 interesting Jul 02 20:04:30 what happened to my DNS update... Jul 02 20:05:13 helps if you restart the web server after you make a change Jul 02 20:05:14 404 still Jul 02 20:05:22 works now Jul 02 20:05:43 * bigbluehat tries again Jul 02 20:05:46 I added the site to Milla but forgot to restart it. Jul 02 20:05:59 happens :) Jul 02 20:06:13 there it goes :) Jul 02 20:06:47 what kind of rate are you seeing? Jul 02 20:08:00 dukiedrew, did you put in a pull request for bug #1? Jul 02 20:09:23 hmm? Jul 02 20:09:29 bug #1 = my bug Jul 02 20:09:36 not the PIN stuff? Jul 02 20:10:30 one more thing before i'm happy w/ this code Jul 02 20:10:46 i can't distinguish when an app is launched for first time like email Jul 02 20:10:55 vs it is already opened Jul 02 20:11:04 ah Jul 02 20:11:09 what i mean is, if I close email by pushing it up Jul 02 20:11:12 it is still alive Jul 02 20:11:21 whereas slingshot, it is closed Jul 02 20:11:36 when I open up email when it has been closed, the statemanager switches to loading Jul 02 20:11:53 trying to figure out where it makes this decision Jul 02 20:13:33 hmm, maybe i mean it switches to preparing Jul 02 20:13:34 then loading Jul 02 20:15:54 you know far more about this than me....wish i understood it better. Jul 02 20:16:56 bigbluehat, do you already use Vagrant/Vbox? Jul 02 20:19:44 dukiedrew. I am a veritable newbie at all of this, but have you looked through luna-topaz.conf? Jul 02 20:19:59 it talks about apps to keep alive in that conf file Jul 02 20:21:26 ka6sox: [vagrant] Progress: 37% (203309252 / 544913408) Jul 02 20:21:29 so far.... Jul 02 20:21:56 hopefully that helps. IRL I am a pixel monkey, so I shall understand if its of no use! Jul 02 20:22:09 ka6sox: I've done a bit with it for the Python SDK at #couchbase Jul 02 20:23:15 PrivateEye, I'm making progress Jul 02 20:23:22 i might have just found the part in the code that distinugishes them Jul 02 20:23:29 ka6sox: what's all in this .box? Jul 02 20:23:55 awesome. Jul 02 20:24:03 might be good to lean on the lucid32/64.box's provided at vagrantup.com and ship a Vagrantfile that does all the git pulls, etc Jul 02 20:24:14 lots of smaller downloads vs. one huge on Jul 02 20:24:16 e Jul 02 20:28:27 ka6sox: do you have the Vagrantfile you're using in a repo somewherez? Jul 02 20:29:35 bigbluehat, yes! we need to clean up things. Jul 02 20:29:50 I'd ideally like to get 250~300MB box files Jul 02 20:30:04 the Vagrantfile is the stock one Jul 02 20:30:12 and it should be with it Jul 02 20:30:12 ah, gotcha Jul 02 20:30:26 I did vagrant package --vagrantfile foo Jul 02 20:30:47 cool. might want to setup a build-env repo at github.com/webos-ports with "just" the Vagrantfile in it (and other required bits) Jul 02 20:30:58 ka6sox: yeah + unicorns ;) Jul 02 20:32:12 bigbluehat, its on woce/woce-be Jul 02 20:32:33 and give me your github account so you can play. Jul 02 20:32:42 ka6sox: perfect Jul 02 20:32:52 guess :) Jul 02 20:32:56 hehe Jul 02 20:33:08 :) Jul 02 20:33:30 ok, that will work Jul 02 20:33:35 last two changes left :) Jul 02 20:34:11 ka6sox: no Vagrant file in that repo Jul 02 20:34:57 also... $ diff woce webos-ports ? Jul 02 20:36:59 bigbluehat, you have it Jul 02 20:37:09 no it was shipped with the box they said Jul 02 20:37:20 (or so I was lead to believe) Jul 02 20:37:22 "they"? Jul 02 20:37:27 vagrant Jul 02 20:37:30 oh Jul 02 20:37:36 generally you put one in your repo Jul 02 20:37:38 you might just want to start over. Jul 02 20:37:41