**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 09 02:59:58 2012 Jul 09 05:14:10 * EricBlade shrugs Jul 09 05:14:14 i've been working for the weekend Jul 09 05:14:56 * EricBlade wants a little romance .. goin' off the deep end .. needs a second chance .. Jul 09 05:15:00 etc Jul 09 05:15:15 (if you don't get that, you're too young to remember the 80's) Jul 09 05:17:29 * halfhalo yawns Jul 09 05:32:42 damn, my 80's references drove dukie away :( Jul 09 07:56:20 EricBlade: I'm too young to remember the 80s, doesn't keep me from remembering the 80s though :( Jul 09 07:56:29 I'm going to have loverboy stufck in my head all week now Jul 09 09:02:05 folks Jul 09 09:40:15 hey bhuey Jul 09 09:42:03 hey rwhitby Jul 09 09:42:08 how's it going ? Jul 09 09:42:28 * bhuey was out in the desert for about 3 days camping and had a blast Jul 09 10:00:08 morning all Jul 09 10:01:11 * ShiftyAxel is accompanied by nearly a pint of coffee Jul 09 11:11:02 success! Jul 09 11:11:31 I fixed the gesture sensitivity for my rewrite and made it adhere to the Enable Advanced Gestures preference, wahey Jul 09 12:51:38 morning shifty Jul 09 12:51:50 bleh...kant typ this morning Jul 09 12:53:29 EricBlade, problem is I remember the 60's Jul 09 12:53:50 ShiftyAxel, good... Jul 09 12:53:51 if you remember the 60's, you weren't doing it right :) Jul 09 12:54:07 morning ka6sox Jul 09 12:54:12 EricBlade, its all a Purple Haze Jul 09 12:54:14 coffee is the answer ;) Jul 09 12:54:37 Good ol' sixties Jul 09 12:55:07 Jimi, Janis Jul 09 12:55:17 Arthur Jul 09 12:55:44 Paul(S) Jul 09 12:56:29 okay...I am in need of C8H10N4O2 Jul 09 12:58:23 we are out of coffee....who is this Earl Grey guy? Jul 09 12:58:38 some aristocrat or other Jul 09 12:58:52 his tea seems popular, but i'm a coffee man Jul 09 12:59:22 well...thats what is left in the cupboard...so I'l try that. Jul 09 12:59:45 go for it, i hear tea has a good caffeine content Jul 09 13:00:06 i'm fiddling with luna's animations at the moment, trying to make it feel more responsive Jul 09 13:00:39 my caffeine molecules appear to be C3H9N4O2 o.O am I missing parts of my caffeine?! Jul 09 13:01:15 yours might be the higher octane version. Jul 09 13:01:33 i dunno that's a lot fewer Cs and Hs Jul 09 13:01:47 it seems to have a bunch of hardcoded definitions to fall back on when lunaAnimations.conf isn't present, but they're all different to the stock 3.0.5 ones Jul 09 13:02:12 what do you guys think re shipping modified animations, patch in preware or switch Luna CE to hardcoded and do it via pull request? Jul 09 13:02:41 switching to hardcoded seems kind of bad Jul 09 13:02:46 animations to me are time wasters... Jul 09 13:03:22 i'm rather partial to them, so long as they don't drag out Jul 09 13:03:24 (this from the guy who turns down textures, animations etc on games to make them snappier) Jul 09 13:06:27 I try to find a nice balance Jul 09 13:06:36 though i am a bit of a 60fps freak Jul 09 13:09:58 I wouldn't mind faster and less pretty (to a point) Jul 09 13:10:32 i've got the launcher feeling a good bit nicer with my gesture rewrite Jul 09 13:10:47 1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6(3H,7H)-dione Jul 09 13:10:47 3,7-dihydro-1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione Jul 09 13:10:56 wierd. Jul 09 13:10:58 changed it from an in-out quint function to an out expo function Jul 09 13:10:59 missing stuff. Jul 09 13:11:19 paste is broken Jul 09 13:11:50 It is the world's most widely consumed psychoactive drug, Jul 09 13:11:52 there. Jul 09 13:17:32 <3 caffeine Jul 09 13:18:03 3 sips in...needs more milk Jul 09 13:18:39 did you guys get to talk to the creator of tweaks btw? Jul 09 13:19:00 re storing luna settings in it Jul 09 13:28:13 I did Jul 09 13:28:17 he joined here... Jul 09 13:28:42 If we mention his Nick it might wake him up... Jul 09 13:29:00 no need I am alwase aware :) Jul 09 13:29:10 quite Jul 09 13:29:15 hi sconix Jul 09 13:29:32 hi Jul 09 13:29:52 the issue is that we would like to use tweaks to enable and disable the new features Jul 09 13:30:24 since they fundamentally alter the way that the UI works. Jul 09 13:30:50 makes sense Jul 09 13:30:57 I mean at least make them configurable Jul 09 13:31:19 I think that EricBlade discovered that you can inject things into the database of running preferences. Jul 09 13:32:39 sconix, my wife still raves about the tweak of just making the font bigger... Jul 09 13:33:28 sconix, ShiftyAxel EricBlade you guys can probably hash out how to do this in a short time.. Jul 09 13:33:57 yeah, i'm up for some hashing Jul 09 13:34:56 ka6sox: good to here that my work still makes someone happy :) Jul 09 13:35:09 makes me happy too... Jul 09 13:35:19 "Happy Wife...Happy Life" Jul 09 13:35:35 :) Jul 09 13:35:56 And sure I can give my input for the luna prefs/tweaks thing but right now I have to run Jul 09 13:36:03 okay...np Jul 09 13:36:22 let us know when you have some time for that... Jul 09 13:36:24 thanks! Jul 09 13:36:30 I am back in about 4 hours and then I have time or just some other day Jul 09 13:36:40 kk Jul 09 13:36:40 but now I run since I am already late :) Jul 09 13:36:41 I should still be about in 4 hours Jul 09 13:36:46 ttyl sconix Jul 09 13:36:46 go! Jul 09 13:36:49 gogo! Jul 09 13:36:51 laters sconix Jul 09 13:36:52 ShiftyAxel: will do Jul 09 13:36:54 later Jul 09 13:40:01 ShiftyAxel, did you have any more luck on PDKs? Jul 09 13:40:26 ben and dukedrew have been talking about it a bit via twitter Jul 09 13:40:35 personally i wouldn't know where to start Jul 09 13:41:46 ah good... Jul 09 13:42:11 well...I'm sure that it will become clear as mud and someone will fix it. Jul 09 13:43:40 here's hoping Jul 09 13:43:53 it would help a lot if we had some way to debug properly... Jul 09 13:47:07 morning amnoth Jul 09 13:47:36 Good morning. Fun weekend I hope. Jul 09 13:47:48 an interesting one Jul 09 13:48:00 fair bit of progress on various mods Jul 09 13:48:27 fixed the sensitivity on the gesture rewrite, made it obey the screen&lock setting Jul 09 13:48:32 I see that, I'm just looking at the github network graph now. Jul 09 13:48:35 hehe Jul 09 13:48:46 now i'm working on modifying lunaAnimations.conf Jul 09 13:49:01 dtzWill is in charge of the makefile stuff, right? Jul 09 13:50:10 Hope you're not asking me. Jul 09 13:50:51 nah, open question with the hope that he's awake :P Jul 09 13:51:15 perhaps i should ask ka6sox: is will still in charge of the Make stuff? Jul 09 13:55:01 amnoth, yes, it was fun...I just got a little burnt. Jul 09 13:55:22 ShiftyAxel, yes, makefile is dtzWill Jul 09 13:55:40 ka6sox: yeah, the outdoors will get cha. Jul 09 13:56:20 ka6sox: when's he normally wake up? i think we need a system for copying luna resources (conf files, images and all that gubbins) to the release folder Jul 09 13:56:33 preferably as part of the makefile Jul 09 13:56:57 submit a patch to the makefile and request a pull. Jul 09 13:57:18 right, time to learn make Jul 09 13:57:54 ShiftyAxel: Am just now looking into the issue of not being able to d/l that patch. Seems my edge router seems to think java is bad. :) Jul 09 13:57:57 Make is Shell on Steroids. Jul 09 13:58:13 there's a hell of a lot of unused stuff in some of these resources, so i'm hoping to put together a standard way of getting it all to the device and replacing the outdated 3.0.5 stuff Jul 09 13:58:50 since unused conf entires = wasted space, unused variables assigned from those entried = wasted ram Jul 09 13:59:37 ShiftyAxel, that is one of the things that would help a lot...especially if *somebody* wants to eventually do things with phones again... Jul 09 14:00:09 indeed Jul 09 14:00:35 I'm goanna finish clearing out this godawaful lunaAnimations.conf file and then see if i can't bend make to my will Jul 09 14:01:45 eesh, there's stuff left over from 1.4.5 here Jul 09 14:02:23 * ShiftyAxel dodges a cobweb Jul 09 14:03:36 * ka6sox brings a power washer.... Jul 09 14:38:41 ShiftyAxel, fast sleep. Jul 09 14:39:25 ehwhat? Jul 09 14:41:04 your lappy went to sleep Jul 09 14:53:10 oh yeah, it did indeed Jul 09 14:53:26 i realised that i had literally been running on a huge cup of coffee and nothing else Jul 09 14:53:29 lunch ensued Jul 09 16:00:10 whew Jul 09 16:00:18 well that was a thoroughly unpleasant clearout Jul 09 16:02:44 * halfhalo yawns Jul 09 16:52:52 * ShiftyAxel glares at the guy who kept adding crap to lunaAnimations.conf and never removed anything Jul 09 16:53:05 ha Jul 09 16:54:09 it's going well though, i've got some settings down that make luna feel snappier Jul 09 16:54:20 and cleared out all the old junk that doesn't get used anymore Jul 09 16:54:28 Nice. Jul 09 16:55:02 w00t! Jul 09 16:56:55 hey Jul 09 16:57:42 morning bhuey Jul 09 16:58:03 i made some interesting discoveries about card view btw Jul 09 16:59:11 hacking in multitouch is going to be a challenge, it uses mouse events Jul 09 17:00:25 so the options are to eat mouse events when more than one touchpoint is down Jul 09 17:00:45 or convert it to use touchevents, but that raises the problem of using mice as input later down the line Jul 09 17:00:46 maybe expanded gestures is part of webOS 4^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Open webOS 1? Jul 09 17:01:03 unknonw Jul 09 17:01:13 unknown...haven't seen it yet Jul 09 17:01:29 we know nothing of Open webOS 1.0 yet really Jul 09 17:01:36 especially not the UI Jul 09 17:02:27 wouldn't count on it being different really Jul 09 17:04:07 * ka6sox agrees with bhuey on that score. Jul 09 17:11:12 yeah, that's one of the feelings i got Jul 09 17:11:26 i really hope they're rewriting luna, rather than continuing to use the old one Jul 09 17:11:31 it really, really needs a rewrite... Jul 09 17:12:33 ShiftyAxel: get moving lol because I wouldn't hold my breath. Jul 09 17:12:47 * ShiftyAxel is crushed under the weight of responsibility Jul 09 17:12:56 heh. Jul 09 17:13:03 that's a lot of rewrite :P Jul 09 17:20:13 ShiftyAxel: if I understand this correctly, you're making webOS faster? Jul 09 17:20:30 who's working on portin dalvik over? :) Jul 09 17:20:36 porting* Jul 09 17:21:08 ShiftyAxel: aren't there ways to recognize multi-mouse events? Jul 09 17:21:27 I remember there being some work on X11 to do similar things Jul 09 17:21:53 summatusmentis: I'm cleaning up bits of the code and making it lighter, and i've also modified some of the animations to make it feel faster and more responsive, yes. Jul 09 17:22:19 and I'm not sure about multi-mouse events, I don't believe Qt supports that (Luna's written in Qt, who knew?) Jul 09 17:24:14 newer qt has multitouch Jul 09 17:24:42 this is 4.8.0 brand of Qt Jul 09 17:25:03 oh it has multitouch Jul 09 17:25:10 but touch events != mouse events Jul 09 17:25:27 this is where HIDD would help. Jul 09 17:25:29 mouse events are (i believe) constrained to one point, whereas touch can have as many as the panel supports Jul 09 17:25:35 but we dont' have this... Jul 09 17:25:51 ka6sox: indeed. was it you who told me hiddtp.cpp doesn't get compiled? Jul 09 17:25:51 bbiaw...off to the tyre store...fixing flats. Jul 09 17:25:59 okey dokey, in a bit Jul 09 17:26:01 I did not. Jul 09 17:26:05 Righto Jul 09 17:26:09 (because I've never tried. Jul 09 17:26:10 ) Jul 09 17:56:25 morning dukiedrew Jul 09 17:56:48 mornin' Jul 09 17:58:47 i saw you and unwiredben tweeting about the PDK again, any luck with that? Jul 09 18:07:31 not really. just providing him more info Jul 09 18:08:34 Also, PSA: I've started cleaning up Luna, if you find any unused/unneeded code in the source, fork/pull here- https://github.com/ShiftyAxel/LunaSysMgr/tree/luna-cleanup Jul 09 18:13:08 progress, it is being made! Jul 09 18:14:59 halfhalo, ja? Jul 09 18:15:02 any clues?? Jul 09 18:16:04 if I were a betting man I would say a single ipc message was being dropped somewhere. Jul 09 18:16:09 Thankfully, I'm not. Jul 09 18:16:14 Unless its vegas Jul 09 18:16:20 Then penny slots ftw. Jul 09 18:23:32 hmm, the one I asked about? Jul 09 18:31:51 no Jul 09 18:48:07 hmm, interesting. i wonder which one (although it appeared the set properties IPC call wasn't being called, but that could be a downstream effect). anyway, GL! Jul 09 18:59:10 returning window handle (nil).... interesting... Jul 09 19:06:26 penny slots, huh? do you play all 65 lines on the penny slots? Jul 09 19:06:39 hell yeah. Jul 09 19:06:56 course, I only go to vegas for ces really. Jul 09 19:09:27 slots are the best Jul 09 19:09:35 heh Jul 09 19:09:51 although i was able to stay at the video poker machine for 2+hrs on $40 =D Jul 09 19:10:17 on the $1 machine, too Jul 09 19:10:37 penny slots FTW! Jul 09 19:10:38 including tips for the free drinks? Jul 09 19:11:05 heh, nobody gave me free drinks =| Jul 09 19:11:21 i probably looked too young. lmao Jul 09 19:38:25 bbiaf..lunch Jul 09 19:39:37 righto Jul 09 19:41:10 ka6sox: in terms of linking stuff to the issue tracker, would it be better to post a repo and link to it, or post a repo w/pull request and link to it? (repo in question is unfinished) Jul 09 20:55:28 folks Jul 09 21:10:25 ShiftyAxel, well... Jul 09 21:10:40 what repo are you referring to? Jul 09 21:10:51 luna-cleanup Jul 09 21:11:19 I'd like to get it out there so others can also submit cleaned code, as i'm not familiar with everything Jul 09 21:11:27 Possibly via twitter too Jul 09 21:12:22 would you like webos-ports or woce to host that? Jul 09 21:12:49 I'd go with woce, since it's 'bugfixing' Jul 09 21:13:11 okay Jul 09 21:13:24 let me talk to my git experts and setup what we need. Jul 09 21:13:29 okey dokey Jul 09 21:49:43 afternoon all. Jul 09 21:50:09 ~ugt :D Jul 09 21:50:14 ~ugt Jul 09 21:50:14 from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Jul 09 21:50:22 Luna-ChannelMGR, botsnack Jul 09 21:50:23 :), ka6sox Jul 09 21:50:26 he he Jul 09 21:50:54 I see. Jul 09 21:51:15 but good afternoon ! Jul 09 21:51:22 he he. Jul 09 21:51:39 Well, there is my knowledge for the day. :P Jul 09 21:57:41 I have a hard time keeping track of sleeping schedules...since we are spread all over the planet. Jul 09 21:57:51 (some people don't seem to sleep) Jul 09 21:59:22 * ShiftyAxel whistles innocently Jul 09 21:59:42 case in point ^^^ Jul 09 21:59:44 woot, just finished off the status bar search mod Jul 09 21:59:56 alignment is now correct Jul 09 22:00:26 Sounds interesting. What does this one do ShiftyAxel? Jul 09 22:01:18 it adds a small search icon (with down arrow!) to the left of the notification area/system menu Jul 09 22:01:52 from there, swiping down or tapping on any empty part of the status bar brings up just type Jul 09 22:02:39 Hmm, interesting indeed. So did you remove the just type from the card view? Jul 09 22:02:53 Now why would I do that? :P Jul 09 22:03:09 It did seem mildly odd to have two ways to access it on one screen Jul 09 22:03:10 Don't you have two search icons in card view now? Jul 09 22:03:15 yeah, i do Jul 09 22:03:18 Ok. Jul 09 22:03:32 reckon it's a problem? as i say, it does seem a little odd Jul 09 22:04:00 Well, not a "problem" but defiantly redundant. ATM machine? Jul 09 22:04:04 haha Jul 09 22:04:07 true true Jul 09 22:04:18 I could add the just type text next to it and make it disappear when in card view Jul 09 22:04:44 i'd do that Jul 09 22:04:52 although redundancy isn't necessarily bad Jul 09 22:04:52 alternately I could nuke the card view just type box and move it exclusively into the status bar Jul 09 22:04:57 I don't think people need to see just type to know what a magnifying glass means anymore. Jul 09 22:05:00 concensus? Jul 09 22:05:10 B. Jul 09 22:05:10 i like the just type bar in card view Jul 09 22:05:22 b/c when you type there, that also is the actual search location Jul 09 22:05:35 that's a good point Jul 09 22:05:46 If you're going to add the just type I would either blow away the card view one or not show the status bar one unless you're in fullscreen. Jul 09 22:06:05 i like the just type text in the status bar, it's like the just type bar 'moves' into the status bar, if you like Jul 09 22:06:46 So the actual text box for input is in the status bar? Jul 09 22:07:01 O.o Jul 09 22:08:14 can you post your video again? Jul 09 22:08:40 nah, it's not in the status bar. this is all purely hypothetical Jul 09 22:08:52 Ah. Jul 09 22:09:13 http://t.co/ZMfpnGgk Jul 09 22:09:24 Ooh, neat Jul 09 22:09:29 Rounded corners Jul 09 22:09:47 They appear if you set 'tabletUi' to false in /etc/lunaAnimations-platform.conf Jul 09 22:09:56 I want them in tablet mode. it's go time. Jul 09 22:10:05 hmm Jul 09 22:10:25 how about putting the icon on the left side Jul 09 22:10:31 to the right of the menu there Jul 09 22:10:37 and then have it fade away when you go to card view Jul 09 22:10:54 although honestly the redundancy i don't mind Jul 09 22:11:03 hi dukiedrew Jul 09 22:11:04 but the two identical icons are close together Jul 09 22:11:55 by putting it on the left, Jul 09 22:12:01 that menu is already changing when you go to card view Jul 09 22:12:08 [ie the app menu to "HP WebOS" Jul 09 22:12:19 so now you have all your status bar transitions happening in one place. Jul 09 22:13:09 hmm, that's an interesting idea Jul 09 22:13:42 I would vote for having only one way to search at all times. Jul 09 22:13:46 though that would break the 'Just Type' text in terms of being the same, I was planning to put search there for phone ui anyway Jul 09 22:14:54 looks like 3.x is completely ready for phones too… alas my poor windsornot Jul 09 22:15:30 I wonder if this version of luna could be ported to the pre3... Jul 09 22:15:48 Same processor architecture, though the libs are likely quite different Jul 09 22:19:44 just type has a lot of wasted space... Jul 09 22:20:04 it does Jul 09 22:20:08 i wonder how it'd look in two columns Jul 09 22:20:17 ooh, interesting Jul 09 22:20:41 i always thought it could do with checkboxes next to each action, so you could do a bunch at once Jul 09 22:21:01 ah neat Jul 09 22:21:40 yeah, you could "Update Facebook Status", "Update Twitter Status" (if it existed) all at once Jul 09 22:24:47 exactly ;) Jul 09 22:25:11 that was my inspiration for that idea, updating multiple accounts is a faff Jul 09 22:37:48 ShiftyAxel, is this: http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Woce-be the latest and greatest version of the instructions? Jul 09 22:38:05 it sure is Jul 09 22:38:15 good..thanks Jul 09 22:45:23 woot, search now has configurations for phone ui Jul 09 22:45:54 now if we can get the other bits we need for phones then that would be AWESOME! Jul 09 22:46:25 agreed Jul 09 22:47:05 I wonder if they'll opensource the rest of 3.0 as part of woce, or whether it's just Luna Jul 09 22:52:18 Ah ha. Finally killed the home button once and for all it seems. Jul 09 22:59:38 * ShiftyAxel cheers and claps Jul 09 22:59:48 I can totally delete code! Jul 09 23:00:03 * ShiftyAxel shows stock footage of women clapping on a projector Jul 09 23:00:09 ha Jul 09 23:00:27 I'm rasslin' with the phone ui layout Jul 09 23:00:50 Yeah, HP make you a slab phone. ; ; Jul 09 23:00:59 I wish :( Jul 09 23:01:03 * amnoth shakes fist at HP! Jul 09 23:01:20 * ShiftyAxel does so too, with A VENGEANCE Jul 09 23:01:24 You gotta admit that the Windsornot had a fugly back though... Jul 09 23:01:32 I quite liked it Jul 09 23:01:35 Truth. Jul 09 23:01:37 Really? Jul 09 23:01:49 I agree with Isandunk, didn't do it for me either. Jul 09 23:01:51 The flat panel that clips into place looked really nice and sturdy, like the GSII Jul 09 23:02:00 Therefore less chance of creaks Jul 09 23:02:05 True, true Jul 09 23:02:21 The pebble design just makes me smile every time I hold it Jul 09 23:02:44 I like a sturdy device, I accidentally rammed one of the mainboard screws through the screen on my original Pre (may it rest in peace) while trying to fix slider wobble, creak and orea Jul 09 23:02:53 *oreo Jul 09 23:02:57 haha, doh! Jul 09 23:03:07 Learned my lesson there :P Jul 09 23:03:11 :P Jul 09 23:03:19 Aka if a phone's creaky, it'll be creaky Jul 09 23:03:22 Is it just me or are the headers poorly commented? or is this most of how this stuff looks? Jul 09 23:03:37 header in point? Jul 09 23:03:43 All. Jul 09 23:03:46 erm Jul 09 23:03:58 there aren't really comments Jul 09 23:03:59 anywhere Jul 09 23:04:01 I've seen a few that are pretty good, but most have nothing. Jul 09 23:04:16 if you want to add some of your own, pull request it to my luna-cleanup branch Jul 09 23:04:42 ka6sox: i figure we should use it for documentation as well as clearing out unused stuff Jul 09 23:04:45 kk Jul 09 23:07:43 bah, the touchpad ran out of batteries while i was testing Jul 09 23:07:51 this is why we need desktop builds! Jul 09 23:10:30 :( Jul 09 23:11:03 ShiftyAxel, soon(tm) Jul 09 23:13:27 * amnoth wonders why they got rid of all the abilities to be able to swipe the minimized cards to the left and right of the center card... Jul 09 23:14:50 * ShiftyAxel thinks amnoth should have a poke around in Src/lunaui/cards/CardWindowManager.cpp Jul 09 23:15:02 and it's parent directory Jul 09 23:15:09 I am, I see where they just see if you tapped to the left or right. Jul 09 23:15:19 then it just switches to the prev or next group. Jul 09 23:15:33 seems lazy compared to the phone. Jul 09 23:16:33 Hmm, seems promising: switchToNextAppMaximized() Jul 09 23:16:57 I think that's for fullscreen app switching Jul 09 23:17:50 It's an interface that gets called by SystemUiController Jul 09 23:18:42 Hrm. Jul 09 23:19:43 it usese mouseEvents to move the cards about iirc Jul 09 23:21:02 there's probably some sort of check in MouseButtonPressed as to whether it's in the center column Jul 09 23:21:51 What device was Castle? Jul 09 23:21:56 original Pre Jul 09 23:21:59 thanks Jul 09 23:22:03 np Jul 09 23:22:15 lsandunk: working on something nifty? Jul 09 23:22:40 Negative, my coding abilities are nil Jul 09 23:22:56 I just like digging around :) Jul 09 23:23:00 hmm, so, can you describe this 'windsorknot' Jul 09 23:23:16 In what way, describe? Jul 09 23:23:28 dimensions, features, etc Jul 09 23:23:39 dwc: From the front, think a touchpad squished down to the size of a phone, bit bigger than the Pre3 i think Jul 09 23:23:48 thinner though Jul 09 23:23:52 Yeah. Jul 09 23:23:57 including the button, no visible gesture area Jul 09 23:24:02 Files seem to indicate the battery is removable Jul 09 23:24:05 webOS 3.0 onscreen Jul 09 23:24:31 hmm, interesting Jul 09 23:24:52 from the back, think the new Blackberry Bold 9900 Jul 09 23:24:59 it's kinda tapered Jul 09 23:25:07 (or horrible corporate HP design ;)) Jul 09 23:25:27 and it looked as if the middle bit (flat bit) was a removable panel, exposing the battery & sim Jul 09 23:25:50 defintely. Jul 09 23:25:52 it still sat flush though, i would presume the clip was like the GSII Jul 09 23:25:54 it also had a camera hole in the flat bit Jul 09 23:26:10 I still have the video on my PC... Jul 09 23:26:18 ShiftyAxel: seems to work, it doesn't check to see if you're actually tapping the card or not just left or right of the active card. but it gives the desired effect. Jul 09 23:26:31 not entirely sure of the legalities of doing anything with it, though Jul 09 23:26:54 lsandunk: distribute to friends and family, don't upload public Jul 09 23:26:58 ;D Jul 09 23:27:10 haha Jul 09 23:27:18 good ol' firefox cache Jul 09 23:27:23 lucky sonofa Jul 09 23:27:45 (i wish i would randomly luckily trip over a copy) :P Jul 09 23:27:56 that would be a fine coincidence! Jul 09 23:28:03 * dwc- looks around Jul 09 23:28:04 if you search for hp windsorknot pics came up for me. Jul 09 23:28:12 well, we're all "friends" here, right? Jul 09 23:28:31 Yeah, the forum photos are still there on webOS nation Jul 09 23:28:40 In all seriousness, they're on my work PC Jul 09 23:28:54 I will come back tomorrow (or the next day) with the goodies Jul 09 23:29:44 good man yerself Jul 09 23:30:07 confound the limitations of battery life Jul 09 23:30:21 i'm having to debug by jumping between charge cable/usb cable Jul 09 23:30:36 oh, this works better if I leave out the 'k' Jul 09 23:31:07 yeah, it never had one of those Jul 09 23:31:07 ssh? Jul 09 23:31:16 how simple is it? Jul 09 23:31:55 just install OpenSSH on tp -> connect on lappy? Jul 09 23:32:09 yea Jul 09 23:32:42 I'm assuming screen on or compiling is draining faster than the 500mA usb can deliver Jul 09 23:32:56 Damn it is late. Good night one and all... keep the good stuff a'flowin' Jul 09 23:33:15 nn lsandunk Jul 09 23:33:24 nn Jul 09 23:36:39 dwc: I'd say so, how do you go about starting/stopping luna with ssh? Jul 09 23:37:46 call via upstart... stop/start LunaSysMgr Jul 09 23:38:11