**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 31 02:59:59 2012 Jul 31 03:00:03 obviously there are many paths that need exploring...but in particular this will solve the keyboard and touch event issues Jul 31 03:00:27 what's stopping us from compiling it? Jul 31 03:00:41 nothing, but look @ the current bindings Jul 31 03:01:27 um. pretend i don't know what that is. ^^ Jul 31 03:01:42 this was meant to be used with a LSK...ie a 3.X kernel Jul 31 03:02:11 TP= 2.6.35 Jul 31 03:02:19 what's stopping us from trying to shove a 3.x kernel into the phones? Jul 31 03:02:19 Pre3= 2.6.32 Jul 31 03:02:35 um... Jul 31 03:02:45 didn't they modularize it? Jul 31 03:02:54 wont' it load up the old kernel modules? Jul 31 03:02:58 understanding of how the binary blobs from Qualcomm work? Jul 31 03:03:10 well... Jul 31 03:03:23 you would need to forward port any kernel modules that are needed. Jul 31 03:03:43 maybe so. it would at least be worth trying, wouldn't it? Jul 31 03:03:53 grab the kernel image from 3.0 and shove it on 2.2.4 Jul 31 03:03:56 could be interesting Jul 31 03:04:04 not like you can break it any more than it already is ^^ Jul 31 03:04:20 * ka6sox-away gets popcorn and a good drink.... Jul 31 03:04:54 you are confusing 3.0.X of webOS with Linux 3.X kernel Jul 31 03:05:30 not really. Jul 31 03:05:59 which direction do I look for the mushroom cloud? Jul 31 03:06:03 :D Jul 31 03:06:11 the TP kernel is 2.6.35, right? why can't we just slide that in place of the 2.6.32 and see what happens? ^^ Jul 31 03:06:19 what's the worst that could possibly happen? Jul 31 03:07:00 Doctor or Brick (but most likely doctor is the outcome...)( Jul 31 03:08:05 also the HIDD won't match Jul 31 03:08:50 the processors are *different* Jul 31 03:09:00 (wanting 2 cores in the 2.6.35) Jul 31 03:09:11 do we know that for sure? Jul 31 03:10:44 yes Jul 31 03:10:48 I do Jul 31 03:10:52 hmm Jul 31 03:11:01 how do the internalz guys build their kernel? Jul 31 03:11:13 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels Jul 31 03:11:36 well...we start with the one that HP puts out....and then rebuild it *exactly* for the recovery kernel Jul 31 03:11:51 we? you're part of the team? Jul 31 03:11:54 then start modding it (and pull in the best for Uberkernel) Jul 31 03:11:55 well, i guess you'd know then. Jul 31 03:16:02 please don't say Internalz when you mean WebOS-Internals...2 separate groups. Jul 31 03:16:02 my fault Jul 31 03:16:02 its confusing to my old brain. Jul 31 03:16:02 well, me too. i'm tired. Jul 31 03:16:02 :P Jul 31 03:16:02 yup...I hear that. Jul 31 03:16:02 the doctor contains a kernel config file Jul 31 03:16:02 but...you knew that :P Jul 31 03:16:02 opensource.palm.com has the confgi Jul 31 03:16:02 its in the patch Jul 31 03:16:02 its not like JS which you can pick up and move Jul 31 03:16:02 its very very specific to the hardware. Jul 31 03:16:02 depends on how it's built Jul 31 03:16:05 clearly, this kernel is tiny and streamlined to the device Jul 31 03:16:13 the way its currently built..its VERY VERY SPECIFIC.... Jul 31 03:16:15 whoops. Jul 31 03:16:27 but it is device specific Jul 31 03:16:42 since the powerd and hidd depend on things being exactly so. Jul 31 03:16:54 developer.palm.com is back btw Jul 31 03:18:50 good Jul 31 03:19:24 uh Jul 31 03:19:44 why is this modified kernel config android specific? is it the same kernel we need for webos, too? Jul 31 03:19:45 EricBlade, so you would like me not to try to pull you left-right into woce/LunaSysMgr? Jul 31 03:20:03 it uses android bits.... Jul 31 03:20:16 like most modern embedded devices Jul 31 03:20:28 * HaDAk grumbles about that Jul 31 03:20:43 get used to it...3.X has MORE. Jul 31 03:21:45 ka6sox-away: i haven't seen the other implementations, but i presume that they are better than mine Jul 31 03:22:28 I do not presume anything...I ask. Jul 31 03:22:47 since this is an area where I do not claim to be an expert. Jul 31 03:23:19 me either, but i'd go with their gesture patches over my simple enabling the swipe Jul 31 03:24:08 i'm going to head to zzzland it's been a long day, somewhat disappointed that i couldn't get any farther with that pre+ either Jul 31 03:24:26 and the kid with the broken foot has to go in for surgery at 5am. yuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Jul 31 03:25:37 bummers Jul 31 03:25:55 okay...nn EricBlade thanks for all the effort! it seems to be making progress. Jul 31 03:29:27 tyrok, did you use the mainline LunaSysMgr when you did the doxygen? Jul 31 03:48:15 LarrySteeze, ping? Jul 31 04:46:25 hi sandgorgon Jul 31 04:46:37 morning dukiedrew Jul 31 04:47:13 hi ka6sox Jul 31 04:47:27 mornin Jul 31 04:47:54 all quiet on the western front... Jul 31 04:48:04 the east coast went to bed early tonight. Jul 31 04:48:24 sandgorgon, were you able to build okay? Jul 31 04:48:44 dukiedrew, are you wanting to play with your patches more or are you submitting them for review and inclusion? Jul 31 04:49:03 yes, I actually have the set-up done 'right' and was able to build it correctly thanks Jul 31 04:49:12 i was waiting for more instructions Jul 31 04:49:16 did you want me to redo them? Jul 31 04:49:43 I actually submitted a pull request for the small code change I did Jul 31 04:50:17 still need to get more time to get the full blown change done Jul 31 04:51:05 sandgorgon, what is the pull request number? Jul 31 04:51:27 dukiedrew, I am starting a code review now and wanted to see where you were with them. Jul 31 04:52:02 i stopped Jul 31 04:52:06 i figured there were many pull requests Jul 31 04:52:17 yes, there are Jul 31 04:52:19 so who knows if the code submitted would break that Jul 31 04:52:34 okay lets see how well these regress against each other. Jul 31 04:53:11 perhaps it is in the build document, but is the idea to have a json file for each feature? Jul 31 04:53:36 I submitted my pull request on webOS-ports/LunaSysMgr is that correct? Jul 31 04:53:54 I think the number is #8, sorry still such a noob with Git... Jul 31 04:54:31 its okay Jul 31 04:54:47 I need to make sure we have the documentation up to date... Jul 31 04:54:55 let me look @ where you submitted that. Jul 31 04:56:49 sandgorgon, can you move this against woce/LunaSysMgr Features Branch? Jul 31 04:57:11 clone woce/LunaSysMgr Jul 31 04:57:17 checkout features Jul 31 04:57:24 make your changes Jul 31 04:57:39 add, commit, push Jul 31 04:57:45 issue pull request Jul 31 04:58:36 okay, working on it right now Jul 31 04:58:40 tyvm Jul 31 05:00:29 dukiedrew, are your patches against the features branch? Jul 31 05:00:39 um Jul 31 05:00:44 i think i did it against master? Jul 31 05:00:53 ah, Jul 31 05:01:18 while it isn't enyo, Jul 31 05:01:25 i might allocate some saturday time to really go thru all this Jul 31 05:01:38 okay I'll see you then. Jul 31 05:01:46 we can go thru this with rrix Jul 31 05:02:13 and i don't mind redoing it again Jul 31 05:02:19 thansk Jul 31 05:02:21 this is an education experience for me Jul 31 05:02:27 educational* Jul 31 05:02:41 I want to get all the features in the features branch, then pull them into master as they go "gold" Jul 31 05:03:11 ok Jul 31 05:03:54 BTW, if any #woce folks wanted to come to the hackathon and didn't sign up, let me know. Jul 31 05:04:13 I don't do enyo... Jul 31 05:04:25 ...yet ;-) Jul 31 05:04:32 (thisController can't do that) Jul 31 05:06:30 dukiedrew, I have an extra spot as my Son can't come as he will be in the Parade Saturday. Jul 31 05:07:36 hmm, you should email julie apffel that info Jul 31 05:07:42 i did Jul 31 05:07:58 sent to enda and julie Jul 31 05:09:01 scoutcamper, got builder ready to regress? Jul 31 05:19:56 dukiedrew, its *possible* the Clippers will win the NBA finals...but I wouldn't count on it. Jul 31 05:22:26 ha Jul 31 05:22:54 not sure this old dog has many new tricks :D Jul 31 05:23:29 but who knows! Jul 31 05:24:23 ka6ssox, what is 'error: pathspec 'features' did not match any file(s) known to git.'? Jul 31 05:25:01 I tried doing 'git checkout features' and that was what I got? Jul 31 05:26:08 let me look and see if I missspoke Jul 31 05:28:28 well..you should have that branch Jul 31 05:28:57 I cloned the repo, as you said and I should be able to just checkout the branch right? Jul 31 05:29:23 yes Jul 31 05:29:43 switch to LunaSysMgr and then checkout the branch Jul 31 05:30:06 sorry cd LunaSysMgr Jul 31 05:30:16 hmmm, let me try again Jul 31 05:30:21 git checkout features Jul 31 05:34:24 okay, I think it worked now, maybe I should not have set 'upstream' up before switching to features Jul 31 05:35:07 ah Jul 31 05:35:14 working on that small change... Jul 31 05:35:20 ty Jul 31 05:52:44 what's the difference between webOS-ports and woce github repos? Jul 31 05:55:14 LunohoD, we are putting the Poisonous patches on webOS-Ports Jul 31 05:55:49 those are the ones guaranteed to cause you to doctor. Jul 31 05:56:22 ;) Jul 31 05:58:47 I'm just trying to get the features all into the correct branch now. Jul 31 06:01:45 okay, ka6sox, #21 pull request Jul 31 06:01:55 sandgorgon, tyvm Jul 31 06:02:20 we will review all this during hte week and regress them against each other. Jul 31 06:04:45 okay Jul 31 06:05:05 the hard bit is making sure they don't blow each other up Jul 31 06:05:41 :-) cross fingers...and toes Jul 31 06:06:06 how do we get ahold of you during the week in case there is an issue? Jul 31 06:06:17 or will you check github? Jul 31 06:08:12 I'll check github or send me an e-mail directly if you prefer that Jul 31 06:08:42 you pm me a good email in case there is an issue. Jul 31 06:08:52 sure Jul 31 06:09:03 thanks Jul 31 06:16:33 thanks sandgorgon looks KISS. Jul 31 06:19:35 :) I was kind of hesitant to send it really, I felt I was not helping out more, but at the least it is a start. Jul 31 06:20:43 you have to start someplace Jul 31 06:20:56 I think I have 3 lines in WOCE now. Jul 31 06:21:45 by the weekend I hope to double that! Jul 31 06:24:30 :) Jul 31 06:26:02 I need to go and start looking at other stuff to do... Jul 31 06:27:38 got to read more of them code! Jul 31 13:10:36 morning all Jul 31 14:10:17 morning Jul 31 14:27:00 I think 12hrs ago we were asleep @ the switch Jul 31 14:27:03 https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr Jul 31 14:27:10 its PUBLIC Jul 31 14:32:06 and takes forever and ever to compile :D Jul 31 14:41:13 unlike our version which had a lot of staged libs... Jul 31 14:41:20 this has to build its deps eh? Jul 31 14:42:25 it does, one of which is WebKit Jul 31 14:43:33 kill me now Jul 31 14:43:55 I'll have Grandchildren by the time thats done... Jul 31 14:50:59 if anything would be sweet in a Stage..it would be webkit. Jul 31 14:54:27 hell yeah, i think this has been compiling for a good couple of hours now... Jul 31 14:56:27 well hell yeah gentlemen Jul 31 14:56:39 anything else come out today? Jul 31 14:58:31 damn and i was hoping to stay out of linux for a few days Jul 31 14:58:37 :) Jul 31 14:59:22 i can't remember what was on the owo repo last night, maybe some more headers and other little bits and bobs Jul 31 15:00:39 yeah all the luna* stuff is new except for luna-service2 Jul 31 15:03:07 ..could it be? webkit's actually finished compiling? Jul 31 15:04:23 EricBlade: are you planning any more work on 3.x LSM for 2.x? Jul 31 15:04:42 ShiftyAxel: i don't know where to go from where i left off Jul 31 15:04:45 I ask because I should probably doctor my Pre3 back to working condition, i've been off the grid for a couple of days now Jul 31 15:04:55 but if we're testing some more, well… :P Jul 31 15:05:22 if i have any sudden insight, or someone else does, maybe, but i'm not going to keep poking randomly with no direction Jul 31 15:06:44 fair enough :) Jul 31 15:06:49 * ShiftyAxel takes a trip to the doctor Jul 31 15:06:59 ooh, owo LSM's done compiling Jul 31 15:07:11 now i just need to get an x server running and i can play with it Jul 31 15:11:04 isis-project/isis2 ? Jul 31 15:12:01 looks like someone is redoing the browser app in QT Jul 31 15:13:51 How's progress on Castle, Roadrunner, and Mantaray going? Jul 31 15:14:00 http://minus.com/mxMDbJUyC/ Jul 31 15:14:31 Very nice. Still about the same as yesterday, then? Jul 31 15:14:50 unless we can figure out how to port nyx over, i think we're at a stoppoing point. correct me if i'm wrong, EricBlade Jul 31 15:14:57 morning EricBlade tyrok HaDak Jul 31 15:15:06 morning Jul 31 15:15:24 Good morning! Jul 31 15:15:27 tyrok, HaDAk: I think that's pretty much the shape of things Jul 31 15:15:49 HaDAk i'm not sure that nyx is necessarily the answer, considering that there's no nyx modules for any hardware at all yet, but we're definitely against a wall as far as throwing touchpad libs in a sane fashion at it goes Jul 31 15:15:57 tyrok, how difficult do you think it would be to compare what you have already done and apply it to: https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr Jul 31 15:15:59 ? Jul 31 15:16:01 EricBlade: isis2 - the revenge? i saw that, i think one of the files makes reference to WebKit2, but it just looks like a frontend to me Jul 31 15:17:00 i was briefly considering the implications of copying /usr/lib and /usr/bin in their entirety, though we'd probably need to extend the space of the / partition by at least 100mb i'd guess Jul 31 15:17:34 ka6sox: Shouldn't be hard. The diff should be pretty similar. Jul 31 15:17:47 !? We have the IPC library now!? AWESOME!!! Jul 31 15:17:56 https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr-ipc Jul 31 15:18:16 looks that way, yeah Jul 31 15:18:32 EricBlade: have you not been taking notes? Jul 31 15:18:40 tyrok, I'm sure they would love documentation right out of the gate... Jul 31 15:18:57 HaDAk all information i have at this time is in the wiki page Jul 31 15:19:05 ka6sox: How is it different than the tarball they release before? Jul 31 15:19:25 Looks pretty much like they just took that and dropped it in their repo. Jul 31 15:19:28 tyrok, I'm sure its been "genericized" Jul 31 15:19:39 EricBlade: the script i wrote at least temporarily solves (for development purposes) the lack of space on / Jul 31 15:20:02 ka6sox: In what way? The device hosts are still there: https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr/tree/master/Src/base/hosts Jul 31 15:20:16 interesting Jul 31 15:20:35 would be an interesting diff. Jul 31 15:20:39 Ah. They've got a few more of the support files in there. Jul 31 15:20:57 Example: https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr/tree/master/desktop-support Jul 31 15:21:03 sounds like you are off and running... Jul 31 15:21:05 :D Jul 31 15:21:18 And they've got localization now... Jul 31 15:21:50 lol.. i've got openwebos/qt4, isis-project/qt4, and now i'm required to install the Ubuntu qt4 Jul 31 15:22:14 tyrok, I know they would be excited to get a pull request for Docs. Jul 31 15:22:17 tyrok: there's a nyx dir in there, and i've noticed a few extra/different header includes in some of the files Jul 31 15:22:43 And apparently they've got the build process documented for building and running it in a desktop environment without a device to run it on... Jul 31 15:23:09 which i'll be testing as soon as xfce finishes installing on my VM Jul 31 15:23:09 And they've documented Just Type as broken. :) Jul 31 15:23:44 Somebody from HP has got to have been watching our progress in this channel. Jul 31 15:23:51 build will typically take one to three hours? Jul 31 15:23:57 :0 Jul 31 15:24:18 * HaDAk wasn't paying attention Jul 31 15:24:22 what did they get working? Jul 31 15:24:24 they = hp Jul 31 15:24:37 Depending on the speed of the internet connection. I wonder if we've been overloading their Doctor CDN. Jul 31 15:24:48 the build takes three hours because of WebKit Jul 31 15:24:56 it's a dependency, and it gets built Jul 31 15:25:36 Okay if I run a diff and apply it as a pull request to WOCE later? Jul 31 15:25:50 no Jul 31 15:25:54 hmm. i hope that HP has a unified way of dealing with all this, rather than each piece actually using their own seperate QT and WebKit modules. Jul 31 15:26:00 pull request to openwebos/lunasysmgr Jul 31 15:26:18 tyrok, ^^ Jul 31 15:26:23 ka6sox: Okay...so is WOCE pretty much obsolete at this point, then? Jul 31 15:26:35 nope Jul 31 15:26:44 they are 2 separate projects Jul 31 15:26:46 ok, SO, starting build at 11:26am Jul 31 15:26:55 woce is for TP Jul 31 15:27:07 openwebos is for everything else. Jul 31 15:27:14 ka6sox: Ah, gotcha. Jul 31 15:28:32 ka6sox: But if the main repo now supports the Topaz, why does WOCE need to exist anymore? Jul 31 15:28:54 i hope there is an easy route to pointing the source build process to custom sources, rather than using the git downloads Jul 31 15:29:02 tyrok: does it support the topaz? Jul 31 15:29:40 ShiftyAxel: Yep. Jul 31 15:29:47 there appears to be a compiled binary for topaz in here Jul 31 15:29:53 …intrigue Jul 31 15:29:58 tyrok, there is a lot more needed for openwebos to run on a TP...like a full rootfs...that is still missing Jul 31 15:30:10 and a kernel Jul 31 15:30:15 and nyx modules Jul 31 15:30:40 Sure. But WOCE has nothing right now that openwebos/lunasysmgr doesn't, as far as I can tell. Jul 31 15:31:20 actually it does.... Jul 31 15:31:24 it RUNS on a device Jul 31 15:31:44 And openwebos/lunasysmgr doesn't? Jul 31 15:32:07 tyrok: I imagine it'd fail if you tried to load it onto a TP, dependencies Jul 31 15:32:21 build failed at 11:32am Jul 31 15:32:44 tyrok, it probably will get about as far as you guys did with the Pre3...loads but fails to launch things or interface to other things. Jul 31 15:32:49 SQLite support cannot be enabled due to functionality tests! Jul 31 15:33:00 ShiftyAxel: By itself, yes. It can't run independent, but neither can WOCE. Jul 31 15:33:02 Not to downplay everyones' efforts here - it just looks like all of the improvements from WOCE should transfer over nicely. Jul 31 15:33:09 EricBlade: ehh? are you compiling in the BE? Jul 31 15:33:21 tyrok, yes, when the rest of the pieces are in place Jul 31 15:33:27 they aren't....yet Jul 31 15:34:12 ShiftyAxel: using my standard ubuntu 12 Jul 31 15:34:34 * tyrok suspects that if you took woce-build and changed the repo it clones from, it would work out-of-the-box with openwebos/lunasysmgr. Jul 31 15:35:04 also remember that WOCE is built against hidd Jul 31 15:35:23 owo-lunasysmgr is built against nyx-libs Jul 31 15:36:14 Ah, you're right - it doesn't build against HAL, either... Jul 31 15:36:19 right Jul 31 15:36:32 they are 2 different beasts Jul 31 15:37:03 that doctor you get to build woce-lsm? provides a WHOLE lot of support... Jul 31 15:37:04 Two very slightly different beasts, but I can see where that'd be enough for it not to run now. Jul 31 15:37:35 EricBlade: ah, well for what it's worth it compiles in the BE, just about to test now Jul 31 15:37:53 ShiftyAxel: openwebos/lunasysmgr? Jul 31 15:38:07 tyrok: yeah, but not using woce-build Jul 31 15:38:12 K Jul 31 15:38:50 we had to disable testing on things like Perl when we were doing cross work. Jul 31 15:39:11 or else build them native Jul 31 15:39:11 ka6sox: Actually, HIDD compiles out for Topaz if the makefile is to be believed: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/blob/master/device.pri Jul 31 15:39:38 Topaz has QPA, which compiles out HIDD. Jul 31 15:40:04 tyrok, then maybe we can play. Jul 31 15:40:10 HAL is swapped out pretty directly for Nyx. Jul 31 15:40:20 Same class names, except Nyx instead of Hal. Jul 31 15:40:34 need nyx modules for 2.6.35 Jul 31 15:41:07 Compare https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr/tree/master/Src/nyx with https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/tree/master/Src/hal Jul 31 15:42:03 right, still needs nyx modules for 2.6.35 Jul 31 15:43:31 Considering the similarity, I'd think you could build a Nyx->HAL compatibility layer easy enough to hold us over until they release them. Jul 31 15:44:11 Uh, guys Jul 31 15:44:29 in case any of you were thinking of compiling openwebos/luna-sysmgr, I'd save yourselves the time Jul 31 15:44:32 theres a blog entry Jul 31 15:44:40 go to developer.palm.com Jul 31 15:45:00 grey screen + status bar & time, crashes on keyboard input, lots of warnings in the commandline Jul 31 15:45:29 ah but only on enyo i spoke too soon Jul 31 15:46:07 * tyrok needs to head out for a bit. Ping me if needed. Jul 31 15:46:23 thanks tyrok laters Jul 31 15:46:42 ShiftyAxel, its worth building... Jul 31 15:47:01 ka6sox: if the intent is more than curiosity, certainly Jul 31 15:47:02 the community can now participate in bug squashing and such. Jul 31 15:47:39 i think the warnings are to do with stuff that isn't there yet, i'll pastebin it Jul 31 15:47:42 I suspect that we will start running into missing bits pretty quick though. Jul 31 15:47:51 pretty sure it is. Jul 31 15:48:12 SQLite support cannot be enabled due to functionality tests! Jul 31 15:48:15 dammit Jul 31 15:48:21 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsqlite3 Jul 31 15:51:43 hmm, i ran it a second time and got no errors, though my terminal was acting really weird Jul 31 15:52:44 hmm. the ubuntu sqlite3-dev package never actually installs libsqlite3 Jul 31 15:53:08 bleh...host issues Jul 31 15:58:29 http://i49.tinypic.com/33maa6t.png Jul 31 15:58:55 http://i45.tinypic.com/25sxz89.png Jul 31 16:02:05 (couldn't pastebin because clipboard integration isn't working in XFCE for some reason) Jul 31 16:08:58 is the build environment using 32-bit or 64-bit ? Jul 31 16:10:22 EricBlade: 32-bit Jul 31 16:10:45 looks like that's where i'm falling down then Jul 31 16:31:57 is there a wikipage for building this thing on www.webos-ports.org? Jul 31 16:37:49 ka6sox: openwebos/luna-sysmgr? Jul 31 16:38:08 yes Jul 31 16:38:27 the issues, fixes, whatever observations people have... Jul 31 16:38:28 i can-not- get this thing to pick up sqlite Jul 31 16:38:30 its all good. Jul 31 16:39:16 observations like that are important too (more important than "works for me") Jul 31 16:45:47 wow what happened to wosi-dev, it's so quiet Jul 31 16:57:22 has anyone started the wiki page for OWO LSM? I'll get on it if not Jul 31 16:58:36 anyone want to see what happens if you send the release-topaz/LunaSysMgr into the current webos? :D Jul 31 16:58:46 i haven't done this yet. Jul 31 16:58:53 is there a wikipage for building this thing on www.webos-ports.org? Jul 31 16:59:14 ShiftyAxel, Jul 31 16:59:17 ^^ Jul 31 16:59:31 EricBlade, yes, I want to see it... Jul 31 16:59:36 * ka6sox has popcorn. Jul 31 17:06:44 EricBlade: i also want to see this :D Jul 31 17:07:30 * ShiftyAxel breaks out the nachos and giant cinema-style soda Jul 31 17:07:32 jeez the vagrant installation grinds my computer to a halt Jul 31 17:07:48 what specs are you running it on? Jul 31 17:08:08 i'm just installing it! Jul 31 17:14:57 with vagrant up? Jul 31 17:17:30 i was just installing it Jul 31 17:17:35 the installer dragged the system down Jul 31 17:20:58 going to try this qt build with sqlite disabled completely and see what happens. my guess is that it will generate a qmake that won't work for us Jul 31 17:22:20 I knocked together an extremely barebones wiki page for OWO LSM: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Open_webOS_LunaSysMgr Jul 31 17:23:43 what would be nice... Jul 31 17:23:43 nope, that then results in "Glib support cannot be enabled" Jul 31 17:24:04 a mashup of every patch that we have...see what builds...and what fails! Jul 31 17:25:12 ok, so, 64-bit is not good for building this qmake Jul 31 17:25:16 * ShiftyAxel is on the case Jul 31 17:25:51 EricBlade, thats a very important tidbit... Jul 31 17:27:47 the stock vagrant windows install put it in c:\vagrant\vagrant\vagrant .. nice. :| Jul 31 17:31:43 * ShiftyAxel adds tidbit to the wiki page Jul 31 17:32:39 * ka6sox hands ShiftyAxel: Compass, Flashlight, Baby Wipes and a map to find his way out. Jul 31 17:32:58 EricBlade: what version of Ubuntu are you running? Jul 31 17:33:04 12 Jul 31 17:33:08 'take this, it's not safe to go alone!' Jul 31 17:33:10 .04? Jul 31 17:33:18 or .10? Jul 31 17:33:33 is 12.10 out? Jul 31 17:33:34 oh, .10's an alpha Jul 31 17:33:43 .04 then :D Jul 31 17:37:32 * scoutcamper has 12.10 somewhere Jul 31 17:38:35 * ka6sox beats scoutcamper with a cluebat... Jul 31 17:38:48 don't introduce more variables into the mix! Jul 31 17:38:56 hehe Jul 31 17:42:31 anyone working on a multi-user addition for webOS CE? Jul 31 17:42:51 basically making one touchpad work for the whole family :) Jul 31 17:43:09 I've seen the Profiles addition--which seems close--but I'd like all the Synergy hooks to be different as well Jul 31 17:43:22 meaning, different mail, calendar, file accounts Jul 31 17:43:48 argh the vagrant is intended for ssh huh Jul 31 17:44:10 bigbluehat, you would need to introduce the concept of "users" into the mix (doable in most contexts) but webos runs almost everything as rOOOOOOt Jul 31 17:44:16 There's a lot of plumbing behind that to change that probably isn't going to be ready for a while Jul 31 17:44:19 bigbluehat: that would be quite difficult Jul 31 17:44:42 Much less actually changed Jul 31 17:44:57 gotcha Jul 31 17:45:14 guessing swapping out settings would be a bit...heavy Jul 31 17:45:28 bigbluehat: if i may recommend .. http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?Cat=1264 :) Jul 31 17:45:48 * bigbluehat clicks Jul 31 17:45:54 EricBlade: is ssh on the vagrant box a problem? Jul 31 17:46:03 ah, nice! :) Jul 31 17:46:08 I paid more for mine on ebay >_< Jul 31 17:47:00 not a problem per se, but i like to have a full environment Jul 31 17:47:05 can I put webOS CE in as a boot option with Cyanogenmod tools? Jul 31 17:47:08 that'd be fab Jul 31 17:47:14 or at least do the trick ;) Jul 31 17:47:38 EricBlade: the folder you 'vagrant up' inside of should be auto-shared with the vm Jul 31 17:47:43 so you can just edit those files locally Jul 31 17:47:47 and they update "inside" the VM Jul 31 17:47:57 (as they're not really in the VM to begin with...just shared) Jul 31 17:49:28 i wonder if i should be doing this vagrant in my vm then to begin with Jul 31 17:51:06 bigbluehat: dual-booting between LSM and LSM-CE isn't really possible, since they aren't different OSes. the only thing that actually changes is /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr Jul 31 17:51:52 you could potentially write a script to kill Luna, rename it and put the other one in it's place, but that'd require you be near a computer every time you wanted to switch Jul 31 17:53:42 you could do it from wterm Jul 31 17:54:34 EricBlade: vagrant in your VM? Jul 31 17:54:39 vagrant boots a VM :) Jul 31 17:54:40 rrix: wterm is dependent on luna though, and you can't overwrite luna while it's running Jul 31 17:55:18 I've been overwriting it while running this entire time Jul 31 17:55:39 rrix is that awesome. Jul 31 17:55:46 I'm pretty sure the binary is copied to RAM when it's started and the file isn't touched until the next time it starts up Jul 31 17:56:09 And we don't have to worry about dlopened libraries having different ABIs because there's just one thing we're replacing Jul 31 17:56:12 etc etc Jul 31 17:56:29 the rest of us can't overwrite luna while it's running o.O Jul 31 17:56:34 what Jul 31 17:56:50 oh shit, what am I talking about, I totally kill it Jul 31 17:56:57 * rrix actually looked at his install script Jul 31 17:57:06 sorry, don't mind me, it's before noon :x Jul 31 18:01:01 so, i should clone the luna-sysmgr into the woce-be dir then? Jul 31 18:01:18 EricBlade: naw, into home Jul 31 18:01:33 woce-build isn't used at all for the OWO build process Jul 31 18:01:44 i have absolutely no idea how to operate this Jul 31 18:03:34 there are build instructions in https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr/blob/master/README.md Jul 31 18:04:25 i mean i have no idea how to operate this vm Jul 31 18:05:03 oh Jul 31 18:05:33 any specifics? getting a terminal/accessing the share/etc? Jul 31 18:06:36 also wtf why is woce-build complaining about not having pkg-config? this is the exact same VM that I successfully built in yesterday... Jul 31 18:06:48 bigbluehat, its not that we wouldn't like to see multi-user...its just that HPalm never supported the concept. Jul 31 18:08:40 ok, so you install the vagrant deb from their site, and it silently fails .. have to do it from the ubuntu repo first, then upgrade Jul 31 18:11:10 ka6sox: yeah, doesn't sound like HP would want that...they'd want me to take EricBlade's approach ;) Jul 31 18:11:31 but LEO. Jul 31 18:12:00 hehe Jul 31 18:13:48 can i make it so that the vagrant mounts my home dir as the share? Jul 31 18:18:45 "This computer has only 820.4 MB disk space remaining." what? Jul 31 18:22:08 EricBlade, vagrant deb? Jul 31 18:22:16 are you on a windows or linux host? Jul 31 18:22:39 i'm trying to get it running inside my ubuntu vm Jul 31 18:22:51 a VM inside a VM? Jul 31 18:22:59 BWAAAAAAAAM Jul 31 18:23:12 why not do it directly on your Windows Host? Jul 31 18:23:34 because all of my webos stuff is already in the ubuntu vm Jul 31 18:23:46 oh Jul 31 18:23:58 then follow the *other* proceedure Jul 31 18:24:25 which "other" Jul 31 18:24:48 alternatively you could mount the share in both VMs, I think Jul 31 18:24:51 and the VM never starts up it looks like Jul 31 18:25:00 vagrant up will do it for you in the one it's running Jul 31 18:25:12 you'd need to do it "manually" for the other VM-to-host Jul 31 18:25:37 yeah, I'd not start a VM inside another VM...it's like looking into two mirrors at the same time... Jul 31 18:28:05 ok, things we will need at the bare minimum to bring up the NEW LSM on touchpad: Jul 31 18:28:41 libcjson.so.1, libnyx.so.2, libPmLogLib.so.2, libQtWebKit.so.4 Jul 31 18:29:26 I wouldn't be surprised if we also needed replacements for other things, but that's what is missing according to ldd Jul 31 18:29:26 EricBlade, http://webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_build_Instructions Jul 31 18:30:23 ka6sox: ah. right. yes, i have all that. i can't get the new LSM to build, though, because apparently it's freaking out possibly due to being in 64-bit Jul 31 18:30:50 we need to feed this back upstream. Jul 31 18:32:08 so, what i want to do is try to get thru the Qt config process using the Vagrant Jul 31 18:32:59 (has anyone had this running on desktop yet?) Jul 31 18:35:04 Vagrant running on a desktop? Jul 31 18:35:07 EricBlade: you can set where the share is by modifying the vagrantfile i believe Jul 31 18:35:20 no the new lsm Jul 31 18:35:22 lol Jul 31 18:35:36 the vagrant vm starts off with a boot menu with no timeout Jul 31 18:35:47 no wonder it never let me in Jul 31 18:36:25 ouch Jul 31 18:36:39 it should be setup to use vagrant ssh right? Jul 31 18:37:42 no root device on vagrant vm Jul 31 18:37:44 Hey ShiftyAxel and EBlade--did you see this http://blog.openwebosproject.org/post/28423182686/open-webos-july-edition Jul 31 18:38:26 the xTuple link made my browser crash, sadface Jul 31 18:39:58 well, that pretty much confirms that HPalm will not be targeting touchpad Jul 31 18:40:57 yeah, interesting read, but a shame about existing devices Jul 31 18:41:04 "but of course" -.- Jul 31 18:41:42 heh. i had to kill my ubuntu vm to get my vagrant vm to die Jul 31 18:41:43 also, Core Apps? where? Jul 31 18:42:26 ah, in the openwebos repo, they've been added Jul 31 18:42:29 as have some services Jul 31 18:42:57 https://github.com/openwebos/core-apps Jul 31 18:43:00 ew ew ew, all the core apps are enyo 1.0 still Jul 31 18:43:22 and no messaging Jul 31 18:44:07 hird-party accounts such as Google, Yahoo, Facebook, etc... are not supported at this time. You can create imap/pop email accounts. You can create local contacts and local calendars. The contacts and calendar events that you create will be stored locally and will not sync to external servers. Jul 31 18:44:53 To that end, we’ll be providing a development-optimized environment supporting emulator and desktop. Jul 31 18:44:55 wait what Jul 31 18:45:01 they're going to help us build for desktop? Jul 31 18:45:11 * bigbluehat hopes Jul 31 18:45:29 * ka6sox grumbles.... Jul 31 18:46:06 looks like it Jul 31 18:46:53 the technobabble in the blog post is kind of encouraging Jul 31 18:46:54 what about the browser, is it improved? https://github.com/isis-project Jul 31 18:46:56 LSM on the desktop is fantastic Jul 31 18:47:16 ShiftyAxel: what do you see that is encouraging? Jul 31 18:47:18 HaDAk|bbl: yeah? Jul 31 18:47:31 oh they left the cow in the mail app Jul 31 18:47:39 bigbluehat: i should say, it will be Jul 31 18:47:44 EricBlade: O.o? Jul 31 18:47:52 HaDAk|bbl: oh... Jul 31 18:48:12 bluen: blah blah blah major upgrade, blah blah blah, rendering paths, that bit Jul 31 18:48:50 HaDAk: just imagine, LSM could evolve into a replacement WM for all sorts of systems Jul 31 18:48:56 i say we convert these apps to enyo2 and add e mail threading Jul 31 18:49:06 HaDAk: agreed, with a vengeance Jul 31 18:49:09 ShiftyAxel: i know! i'd use that over kde in a heartbeat Jul 31 18:49:20 bigbluehat: open your email app, and search for "supercowpowers", then tap the cow. Jul 31 18:49:47 oh, nice :) Jul 31 18:49:53 References to "the latest QtWebKit and Qt technologies" is certainly encouraging. Jul 31 18:50:00 exactly Jul 31 18:50:03 * bigbluehat will do that when my touchpad is being done used by someone else in the family...on my account! ;) Jul 31 18:50:18 And "the background services which support webOS Synergy functionality within these applications will be included with the full 1.0 release. " Jul 31 18:50:25 bigbluehat: they're cheap enough that you should have a dozen Jul 31 18:50:33 * HaDAk|bbl ponders getting a second one for development purposes Jul 31 18:50:57 HaDAk|bbl: yeah, but why get more if they're being abandoned.... Jul 31 18:51:45 i guess the blog post DID say something about open webos not being compatible with existing devices, didn't it? :\ Jul 31 18:52:00 it did :( Jul 31 18:52:11 "Existing devices cannot be supported because of those many proprietary components, including graphics, networking and lack of drivers for a modern kernel." Jul 31 18:52:11 "open" doesn't jive with the hardware they chose for the touchpad Jul 31 18:52:14 I'm not at all surprised Jul 31 18:52:43 Besides, let's face it, there will be more powerful tablets for cheaper by the time we have an openWebos image put together Jul 31 18:52:49 i guess. Jul 31 18:52:52 * HaDAk|bbl pouts Jul 31 18:52:54 i like my tablet. Jul 31 18:53:06 so the touchpad hardware and pre3 will not support swapping out the proprietary for the open components? Jul 31 18:53:17 Ideally there will be Android tablets (possibly cheap imports from China) that could be targetted. Jul 31 18:54:01 bluen: swapping out, sure, if someone/we target it, installing a full openWebos on it, not so much Jul 31 18:55:01 Galt: I imagine the import that KDE is using for the Vivaldi/Plasma Active target would be a good first target Jul 31 18:55:05 HaDAk|bbl: agreed Jul 31 18:55:06 is that "can't support" or "will not support". The reason I ask is that HP did not support preplus etc and yet community saw it could be done... Jul 31 18:55:26 it's will not support Jul 31 18:55:28 Likely. Benefit from other folks ironing out driver issues. Jul 31 18:55:29 It's a generic android tablet, but the kde folks have done a lot to make sure the drivers and stuff are being opened Jul 31 18:55:34 Cynogenmod seems to prove that it's quite possible Jul 31 18:55:59 bigbluehat: cyanogenmod only initially happened because HP accidentally leaked those android devices, iirc. Jul 31 18:56:04 there's no value to HP in supporting their old hardware--at least not monetary value Jul 31 18:56:07 Ideally I'd like to do tablet + bt keyboard as a first computer for my kids. They already love my Touchpad. Jul 31 18:56:14 Galt, that is an accurate statement... Jul 31 18:56:15 (I could be wrong, I mostly ignored them when they were putting that together) Jul 31 18:56:28 current TPs will not be supported Jul 31 18:56:38 it's all about 'what's good for business' :( Jul 31 18:56:52 except by some hermaphrodite thing that the community does. Jul 31 18:56:55 yeah, which generally sucks for real people Jul 31 18:56:59 That's not a "what's good for business" it's a "proprietary hardware and software patens suck" Jul 31 18:57:16 rrix: yeah, that too ;) Jul 31 18:57:22 kinda makes me wonder what hardware HP are using to develop stuff on Jul 31 18:57:22 lets not debate that here... Jul 31 18:57:23 rrix: even open source hardware adaptation costs to bring up to date.. Jul 31 18:57:25 that is stupid. what is good for business is to have an installed base that would get the profile up for openwebos and convince people this dog is still alive and hunting. then you get new hareware Jul 31 18:57:29 well... Jul 31 18:57:44 there are NO announced targets....did you see that? Jul 31 18:57:50 Stskeeps: that's a moot point in the instance of the TP though :) Jul 31 18:57:55 how many "few minutes" should i wait for the vagrant vm to startup the first time? Jul 31 18:58:14 yeah, I did a lot of convincing/cheering/propogandizing for webOS back when I bought my TouchPad this past february Jul 31 18:58:14 EricBlade: how many have you waited so far? Jul 31 18:58:19 that's slacked off quite a bit... Jul 31 18:58:26 " To that end, we’ll be providing a development-optimized environment supporting emulator and desktop." Jul 31 18:58:41 supporting emulator of what .. Jul 31 18:58:46 emulator (not a device) and 'desktop' (unspecified) Jul 31 18:59:03 ShiftyAxel: a few Jul 31 18:59:06 if they're building a truly open community, the people in this channel shouldn't have to be reading between the lines... Jul 31 19:00:10 EricBlade: try opening VirtualBox and checking the preview, that may give you an idea of what's going on Jul 31 19:00:37 black screen Jul 31 19:00:46 bigbluehat: agreed i don't understand why they cant hold a conference call with webos internals to clear this stuff up--i suggest they do so. Can something like kindle fire be supported which has large installed base or what has to be components of new hardware to work? Jul 31 19:01:37 bluen, are all the necessary things open? Jul 31 19:01:40 and available? Jul 31 19:01:49 EricBlade: try stopping vagrant and booting the VM from virtualbox, that (should) give you a GUI which you can fix any issues in and then revert to headless Jul 31 19:01:49 does it already run LSK? Jul 31 19:02:02 are there Linux Drivers for everything? Jul 31 19:02:40 ka6sox: cynagenmod was able to work for kindle fire, i dont know if that means it has all the linux drivers though Jul 31 19:02:53 cyanogenmod doesn't mean anything Jul 31 19:03:07 in this context it means almost nothing. Jul 31 19:03:12 cyanogenmod means it could be all open or cobbled together from drivers in the proprietary android kernel a device ships with Jul 31 19:03:13 nope nada, gets to the boot menu, then black screen and sits there doing nothing. g rr. Jul 31 19:03:34 it has a boot menu? O_o Jul 31 19:03:44 so we need a cyanogenmod for open webos :) Jul 31 19:03:51 when i run mine in gui mode it goes straight to startup Jul 31 19:03:53 yeah every time i start it it brings up a boot menu, then it dies Jul 31 19:04:09 ok, back to trying to do this in windows i guess Jul 31 19:04:28 EricBlade:L are you using the vagrantfile from https://github.com/woce/woce-be? Jul 31 19:04:46 yes Jul 31 19:06:50 and from windows, i can make the ssh connection, but nothing ever happens after that Jul 31 19:07:00 * bigbluehat tries on mac Jul 31 19:09:17 lol. cloning a VM in virtualbox brings up an image of a sheep Jul 31 19:11:10 working under the potentially flawed assumption that webOS will one day run on phones again, i swear to christ if you can't change the alert tones, i will go postal. Jul 31 19:11:31 working fine on mac for me Jul 31 19:11:46 the "bing-bong" for every single notification being the same has now caused my brain to completely ignore all "bing-bong" sounds. Jul 31 19:12:09 it worked!!! mwahahaha Jul 31 19:12:11 ;) Jul 31 19:12:50 what worked Jul 31 19:12:58 the bing-bong noises :) Jul 31 19:13:04 sorry...strained joke... Jul 31 19:13:12 oh. hehe. Jul 31 19:13:24 I'm a UI designer by trade, so I understand the pain Jul 31 19:13:39 and have (actually) considered using it in a "mwhahaha" compatible fashion Jul 31 19:13:46 but haven't yet Jul 31 19:13:49 ??? Jul 31 19:14:09 planning to take over the world by bing-bonging the governments into submission? Jul 31 19:14:47 Man, I really need more disk space. Jul 31 19:15:04 I don't think I have enough on this machine for a lsm checkout. Jul 31 19:15:07 building entire OS requires a LOT of disk space... Jul 31 19:15:53 On the plus side, I'm due for a hardware refresh soon. :) Jul 31 19:15:53 ShiftyAxel: wanna help? :) Jul 31 19:16:30 bigbluehat, takeover the world Jul 31 19:16:33 ? Jul 31 19:16:50 bigbluehat: I can bring a big 150watt amp to the evilparty :D Jul 31 19:16:51 indeed ;) Jul 31 19:17:03 done! Let's do this thing! Jul 31 19:18:40 * bigbluehat publishes the new Couchbase Python SDK instead.... Jul 31 19:18:44 and considers making coffee Jul 31 19:18:57 too late Jul 31 19:19:01 (this precise32.box is huge!) Jul 31 19:19:03 eh? Jul 31 19:19:10 you already take over the world? Jul 31 19:19:30 start with one thing at a time... Jul 31 19:19:52 yeah, good point Jul 31 19:20:24 so...given that CE is all we "get"...where to next? Jul 31 19:20:40 Sunnyvale Jul 31 19:20:43 with picket signs Jul 31 19:20:43 (assuming our read-between-the-line-session was accurate) Jul 31 19:20:50 "have fun stormin' the castle" :) Jul 31 19:23:01 "there will be NO Survivers.....I am the Dread Pirate Roberts! Jul 31 19:23:06 So they are building openWebOS for new devices. Yet right now there are no new devices in production. So the only way this thing lives in the meantime is on old devices unless HP sponsors dev devices for webos developers that are the new devices currently running other platforms. Jul 31 19:23:25 See? doesnt make sense. What is their strategy? Jul 31 19:24:06 unless they *are* building devices or (more likely) working on partnerships Jul 31 19:24:11 or...Doing It Wrongâ„¢ Jul 31 19:24:15 bluen, the statement that they *can't* support openwebos on legacy devices is accuraet Jul 31 19:24:55 yeah, true Jul 31 19:24:58 that ship's sailed Jul 31 19:25:03 Well, producing a "desktop" version means any number of commodity platforms. Jul 31 19:25:19 I would think they need a beta first before they can show to third parties. Then the third parties have to evaluate. This could take some weeks or months. So in the meantime they need to sponsor a dev program for dev devices that work on openwebos Jul 31 19:25:20 Galt, all speculation Jul 31 19:26:04 bluen, I don't know what you experience is...but from experience I know that isn't "easy" Jul 31 19:26:31 s/from experience/from my experience/ Jul 31 19:26:31 ka6sox meant: bluen, I don't know what you experience is...but from my experience I know that isn't "easy" Jul 31 19:27:46 what isn't easy? Getting third parties involved? if so agreed. That is why they need an interim strategy for the community. Either sponsor dev devices or get the new openwebos working on old devices by "leaking" the right info if that can be done. Jul 31 19:28:03 this is..after all #webos-PORTS... Jul 31 19:28:11 Whether it is directly supported or not, the marginal effort to get the webOS parts running where Linux runs shouldn't be very high. Jul 31 19:28:34 Galt, you are correct Jul 31 19:28:48 where *gnu/Linux* works... Jul 31 19:29:06 sorry...not meaning to create a debate on gnuy Jul 31 19:29:08 gnu Jul 31 19:29:23 but what I mean is a gnu type rootfs...NOT android... Jul 31 19:29:35 (Their pervasive adoption of standard components is actually one of the reasons I was attracted to the platform. :) Jul 31 19:30:45 Heh. I'm not one for naming wars. At this point there are so many different upstream projects and meta-projects (e.g. gnome, kde, bsd, apache) that it's difficult to give proper attribution. Jul 31 19:30:49 desktop would mean "gnu/linux desktop" not windows or OSX desktop... Jul 31 19:32:15 anyone here familiar with #mer? or see the Jolla announcements? Jul 31 19:32:35 pretty sure putting webOS on top of #mer would make a lot of sense at somepoint Jul 31 19:32:45 and since we seem to all agree that there are currently no "devices" for webOS identified as "targets" the Emulator ones seem to be a reasonable statement for HP. Jul 31 19:32:56 #mer is "just" core Jul 31 19:34:07 I'm sure thats an option... Jul 31 19:34:17 don't know how far along theyare. Jul 31 19:34:29 (mer) Jul 31 19:35:48 right now there is no context with which to build these bits we are getting... Jul 31 19:36:05 ie no base OS image we can build against. Jul 31 19:37:32 HP with the help of the community did an ok job of unifying the current installed base with 2.2.4. So now is it fracturing again with openwebOS? I cant see but only a few people adopting the new hardware necessary for ports. ANd yet community adoption and enthusiasm is very helpful to get third parties involved. So what is hP's game pln? Jul 31 19:37:49 plan Jul 31 19:39:55 ka6sox: there is OE :) Jul 31 19:40:06 It still bothers me how poorly HP managed the whole property. Wonder if it would have played out better if they hadn't played musical CEOs. Jul 31 19:40:36 morphis, since they already use this (we know that because of meta-data) that would be a good choice. Jul 31 19:40:46 If they were smart to begin with, they would have targetted their own thin client products. Jul 31 19:41:02 ka6sox: they are using for sure Jul 31 19:41:06 Galt: thin client products? Jul 31 19:41:08 s/using/using it/ Jul 31 19:41:08 morphis meant: ka6sox: they are using it for sure Jul 31 19:41:25 See: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF04a/12454-12454-321959-338927-3640406.html?dnr=1 Jul 31 19:41:38 ka6sox: I will update my meta-webos with the last bits released today Jul 31 19:41:50 morphis, thanks! Jul 31 19:41:53 just omitting qt Jul 31 19:42:02 Would have made sense to either replace their "ThinPro" platform (which is Linux underneath) or cross pollinate from WebOS. Jul 31 19:42:19 and LunaSysMgr for now Jul 31 19:42:21 bigbluehat: Stskeeps is a core Mer guy, iirc Jul 31 19:42:21 * bigbluehat things there needs to be a channel just for these rants :) Jul 31 19:42:25 morphis: thanks...I will build that today, along with an oe-core base. Jul 31 19:42:26 they happen so often Jul 31 19:42:28 Galt: ah, well from what I've heard HP's inter-unit communication leaves a lot to be desired Jul 31 19:42:32 rrix: yep. that's him :) Jul 31 19:42:38 ka6sox: you can also use SHR as a base Jul 31 19:42:59 as SHR provides already support for different hardware Jul 31 19:43:03 Typical of big companies. Jul 31 19:43:18 morphis, good plan...anything "modern" ie dual core? Jul 31 19:43:55 But that was a huge missed opportunity. They're the market leader in that space, and it would have given enterprise software vendors an excuse to bring stuff like WebEX and VOIP and RDP/VNC to the platform at launch. Jul 31 19:44:03 ka6sox: Nexus S is supported Jul 31 19:44:12 ka6sox: or the GTA04 Jul 31 19:44:29 ka6sox: but something like the SGS2/3 should be easily added Jul 31 19:44:30 then Nexus S might be a good platform to play with... Jul 31 19:44:33 yes Jul 31 19:44:34 GTA04 is modern? Isn't that the opnemoko phone? Jul 31 19:44:44 freerunner or whatever Jul 31 19:44:53 rrix: no, it's not the freerunner Jul 31 19:45:03 rrix: see http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/ Jul 31 19:45:28 we should get dukiedrew to apply for the Senior Qt Engineer position Jul 31 19:45:31 ahhh Jul 31 19:45:31 I haven't built shr in a long time... Jul 31 19:45:43 ka6sox: shr-chroot is a very safe way to try Jul 31 19:45:52 morphis, what UI are they running on top of shr? Jul 31 19:46:05 ka6sox: I am not using it on any phone really Jul 31 19:46:12 okay Jul 31 19:46:14 just taking it as development base for FSO Jul 31 19:46:21 right Jul 31 19:46:28 a chroot would be a safe way to develop. Jul 31 19:46:36 but SHR uses with it's default images E17 Jul 31 19:46:53 the current shr is oe-core and not olde tyme OE right? Jul 31 19:47:11 ka6sox: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR#BuildingSHRusingMakefilewithorwithoutchroot Jul 31 19:47:14 ka6sox: yes Jul 31 19:47:46 are you using systemd or sysVinit? Jul 31 19:48:29 ka6sox: systemd Jul 31 19:48:42 so there are some modifcation points for openwebos Jul 31 19:48:55 regarding adding systemd service files Jul 31 19:49:06 ah, that might be problematic as systemd and upstart don't play nice together. Jul 31 19:49:18 but thats a switch in the oe-core build Jul 31 19:49:33 you can't use upstart and systemd together Jul 31 19:49:42 and SHR is strictly bound to systemd Jul 31 19:49:52 :( Jul 31 19:49:56 ka6sox: but who said you have to use upstart? Jul 31 19:49:59 like Angstrom. Jul 31 19:50:09 webOS uses upstart Jul 31 19:50:20 but it doesn't really need it Jul 31 19:50:34 openwebos components just ships upstart configurations Jul 31 19:50:34 and it would be a lot of work to get everyone to switch currently Jul 31 19:50:39 right Jul 31 19:51:34 let me reconfigure to do a SHR build for Nexus S and add your meta-data Jul 31 19:52:00 moving to systemd shouldn't be horrible, honestly ka6sox Jul 31 19:52:10 The more I think about it Jul 31 19:52:12 ka6sox: it's rather simple Jul 31 19:52:21 ka6sox: just follow the guide on the wiki page Jul 31 19:52:23 I'm using it for a project. Jul 31 19:52:33 and its FAST Jul 31 19:52:34 ka6sox: it will give you everything you need to compile a openwebos-image Jul 31 19:53:06 morphis, thanks Jul 31 19:55:06 ka6sox: no problem Jul 31 19:57:03 morphis, is there a BSP for the Nexus_S? Jul 31 19:57:11 ka6sox: yes Jul 31 19:57:15 it's part of meta-smartphone Jul 31 19:57:22 kk Jul 31 19:57:39 anyone done one for google nexus? Jul 31 19:57:52 ka6sox: I know someone who is working on this Jul 31 19:57:57 should be rather simple Jul 31 19:58:04 ya Jul 31 19:58:14 and we have support for the properitary modem protocol both devices are using Jul 31 19:58:30 ka6sox: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=summary Jul 31 19:58:31 that is part of FSO right? Jul 31 20:00:12 there is a libsamsung-ipc library which implements the protocol Jul 31 20:00:21 and there is support in fsogsmd for it Jul 31 20:00:43 needs a little bit more love and testing but it wors Jul 31 20:00:50 s/wors/works/ Jul 31 20:00:51 morphis meant: needs a little bit more love and testing but it works Jul 31 20:08:42 it looks like meta-webos is already integrated into shr images. Jul 31 20:09:49 which means we can develop for *actual* hardware. with the openwebos components. Jul 31 20:10:45 ka6sox: no, there is just an additional image shipping openwebos components Jul 31 20:10:56 which is based on SHR distribution Jul 31 20:11:09 I mean from your meta-webos repo Jul 31 20:11:10 means you can use all software from SHR and it's hardware support Jul 31 20:11:16 ah ok Jul 31 20:11:36 as in OE world you really have to be carefull when to talk about a distribution :) Jul 31 20:12:02 I didn't say distribution today I don't think... Jul 31 20:12:12 (and yes, I do understand what you mean) Jul 31 20:12:43 you said SHR :) Jul 31 20:12:49 sorry, I did! Jul 31 20:13:17 Images are what I am hoping to work on... Jul 31 20:13:20 anyway I would really like you guys to join the effort for combing SHR with the Luna UI Jul 31 20:13:25 :) Jul 31 20:14:26 did anyone check if something really changed from WOCE's LunaSysMgr to open webOS' LunaSysMgr? Jul 31 20:14:56 pc-world, people have been doing diffs...dunno all that there is..but it is different Jul 31 20:15:03 pc-world: there are a few differences, Nyx instead of HAL, a few new header includes, but i haven't really gone through it with a fine tooth comb Jul 31 20:15:37 morphis, making a UI for Handheld devices is what Luna would be very good for. Jul 31 20:15:58 and we can still run Xapps in a Card. Jul 31 20:18:32 wow 32bit ubuntu VM is really really slow compared to 64 Jul 31 20:19:07 webOS core apps are still Enyo 1 - I don't really believe that Enyo 2 is production-ready till they've rewritten all the core apps using Enyo2... Jul 31 20:19:49 morphis, building Jul 31 20:21:04 morphis, no Qt? Jul 31 20:21:52 * ka6sox checks to see if libQt4 is 4.8.0 Jul 31 20:23:19 bbl...must see if I can sort out work things Jul 31 20:25:31 ka6sox: not right now Jul 31 20:25:43 ka6sox: openwebos qt version is somewhat ... different from upstream qt Jul 31 20:26:10 was afraid of that Jul 31 20:26:11 ka6sox: qt in oe-core is 4.8.0 Jul 31 20:26:28 good Jul 31 20:26:47 CE uses 4.8.0 Jul 31 20:26:57 but with webos additions Jul 31 20:27:01 means QPA plugins Jul 31 20:27:18 maybe we can split out these from openwebos qt version Jul 31 20:28:06 ok the qt fails to build from a completely fresh ubuntu 12 32-bit vm Jul 31 20:29:11 morphis, we should Jul 31 20:29:52 ka6sox: I don't think it would be the right way to continue to use this friggled version from openwebos Jul 31 20:32:39 right, we should have patches to a stock one... Jul 31 20:35:31 /usr/include/ft2build.h:56:38: fatal error: freetype/config/fthreader.h: No such file or directory Jul 31 20:42:29 ok had to go to the luna staging directory, and add -I /usr/include/freetype2 to the src/QtGui makefile Jul 31 20:44:09 hmm, i heard the bad news Jul 31 20:44:20 bad news? Jul 31 20:44:21 my question to you guys is, how bad is the news Jul 31 20:44:24 what is that? Jul 31 20:44:25 is it even bad news Jul 31 20:44:27 http://www.webosnation.com/open-webos-will-not-support-existing-webos-devices Jul 31 20:44:39 why is that bad news? Jul 31 20:45:23 well, i figured it'd be bad news because the current slew of devices won't be supported officially Jul 31 20:45:57 /home/eric/luna-desktop-binaries/qt-build-desktop/src/gui/Makefile Jul 31 20:47:20 webosnations is so tabloid-y sometimes Jul 31 20:47:32 ok so i've had to add -I /usr/include/freetype2 to the that file in the CFLAGS, and -lfreetype to the LDFLAGS Jul 31 20:47:43 fxspec06: That's stopped people before? ;p Jul 31 20:47:52 even though, QT_NO_FREETYPE is defined Jul 31 20:47:53 * rrix thinks there are mountains being made of molehills here Jul 31 20:48:44 well, not that it's stopped any one or going to hinder anything, but i (naively) didn't see/expect it. although in hindsight it's kind of obvious Jul 31 20:48:54 gtg dinner, bbs Jul 31 20:49:27 that's probably an article i wouldn't have published, given that i'd like to try to ensure that we still have some users, should we actually get it running on "legacy" devices Jul 31 20:49:51 it also pushes their article about my app farther down the front page, and that made for a nice sales spike. :) Jul 31 20:49:53 EricBlade: but think of the pageviews and circlejerky comment threads! Jul 31 20:54:09 theverge picked up the article Jul 31 20:54:25 there goes the neighborhood Jul 31 20:54:36 I'm about to go pop some popcorn, any one want any? Jul 31 20:55:13 They at least got the story right Jul 31 20:55:29 Not derek's "zomg HP has the code why won't they release it" Jul 31 20:58:03 having the code and being able to release it are 2 different things. Jul 31 20:58:12 Exactly Jul 31 20:58:49 yeah, that article did seem a little… hasty? Jul 31 20:59:12 and as much as it's admirable to try to keep people hopeful by saying 'it WILL be done by the community!', there's no guarantee, which is going to cause bitching in the long run if it doesn't happen Jul 31 20:59:26 Right Jul 31 20:59:46 This is par the course of webosnations though, I've been really unsatisfied with them the last 6 or so months Jul 31 20:59:52 therefore, doing it wrong (â„¢) Jul 31 20:59:56 so sensationalist, this is just another prime example. Jul 31 20:59:58 I think Derek's articles are often exaggerated and/or unrealistic Jul 31 21:00:25 to be fair there's not really been a lot to write about over the last few months, but i have to agree, it's gone downhill Jul 31 21:01:36 its hard to produce any quality content when all we have seen is scraps of information and blog articles we have to read between the lines on. Jul 31 21:01:53 (ouch...that seems harsh) Jul 31 21:03:05 damit i can't get my shared folder to work on my new vm even though it's configuration is identical. Jul 31 21:05:55 mount failed with the error: No such device Jul 31 21:13:29 rrix: yeah, what they promise to support and what will work and be community supportable are two different things Jul 31 21:15:45 lol on Twitter they start to give away webOS devices https://twitter.com/erupnu/status/230411105099456512 Jul 31 21:16:24 * rrix shakes his head Jul 31 21:16:39 people are so silly Jul 31 21:16:43 * LarrySteeze|Shh shakes rrix Jul 31 21:16:50 * rrix vibrates Jul 31 21:18:59 oh no. not the verge. >.< Jul 31 21:19:10 uh-oh, more bad press times? Jul 31 21:19:45 fxspec06: the verge article as actually sane though Jul 31 21:19:52 just reading through what i missed Jul 31 21:21:06 yeah, little more level headed. Jul 31 21:21:45 less "chicken little" Jul 31 21:22:53 "So what exactly will Open WebOS run on then?" Jul 31 21:23:07 printers Jul 31 21:23:23 LarrySteeze|Shh: i dare you to port it to a printer. Jul 31 21:23:37 may not even have to be ported Jul 31 21:23:39 i like the "hopes and dreams" Jul 31 21:24:51 EricBlade: is there even a printer w/ touch screen and semi decent cpu Jul 31 21:25:27 * ShiftyAxel grumbles something about printers and bad jokes Jul 31 21:26:01 i swear within the last couple of weeks somewhere i saw someone say that they had seen webos on a printer, fer realz Jul 31 21:26:29 now, just because we've only ever run it on touchscreen devices, doesn't mean that's the only place it's usable. Jul 31 21:26:29 fxspec06: the printer at my work would be a good candidate. It's a resistive touchscreen though Jul 31 21:26:45 anyway, back into code-diving :D Jul 31 21:27:19 this is the truth, i guess i have horrible visions of a future where webOS is a 'printer thing' and nothing else Jul 31 21:27:29 it can run on new devices but I'm guessing the user base that would port would be small so HP best attract some 3r parties now to offer new hardware f Jul 31 21:27:31 * ShiftyAxel shudders Jul 31 21:27:43 what's ironic is if they actually got it on printers, it'd get more exposure and have more chance for success as a mobile OS Jul 31 21:28:05 yeah, it would be a draw for sure Jul 31 21:28:06 fxspec06: it wouldn't be terrible. Especially with TTS Jul 31 21:28:23 'hey, didn't i see that on a printer? woah, it runs on phones too? let me see that!' Jul 31 21:28:28 3rd parties Jul 31 21:28:34 s/phones/phones, tablets, etc Jul 31 21:28:45 bah, my regex is not enough Jul 31 21:29:09 i would print stuff if i had a printer i could tap a document to. Jul 31 21:29:20 yeah, that would be cool Jul 31 21:29:26 just to show it off. Jul 31 21:29:45 a document or webpage. Sometimes read it later doesn't mean digitally Jul 31 21:30:00 ebooks :o Jul 31 21:30:09 i dislike reading on a backlit screen Jul 31 21:30:12 yeah, that would be a bit much Jul 31 21:30:21 possibly Jul 31 21:32:31 it's a shame HP locked 3.0.5 to HP printers, that was a foolish move Jul 31 21:32:40 and i don't imagine it did a lot for sales Jul 31 21:34:49 yeah they sold so many HP printers and phones because the touchpads couldn't connect to others Jul 31 21:43:06 how many here are using vagrant? Jul 31 21:43:57 i got mad at it. Jul 31 21:44:19 I'm in the same boat Jul 31 21:44:33 I decided to switch to vagrant, just to be doing the same thing as everyone else Jul 31 21:44:37 well, that's awesome. "No space left on device". I coulda -swore- i set this drive up as dynamic sizing Jul 31 21:44:50 but I've had to destroy and then up each time I've needed to reboot Jul 31 21:44:57 as have i Jul 31 21:45:04 didn't know if anyone else had a better way Jul 31 21:45:12 i think i lucked out though, OSX doesn't break it if i close the lid Jul 31 21:45:13 "shutdown now" didn't do much :\ Jul 31 21:45:48 looks like VDI dynamically allocated.. doesn't dynamically allocate Jul 31 21:46:55 EricBlade: Yes, I've had problems with that in the past. Host OS? Jul 31 21:47:05 I've had issues in the windows version Jul 31 21:47:54 dir Jul 31 21:47:56 err sorry Jul 31 21:48:25 ah. i see. Jul 31 21:48:58 the "dynamically allocated disk" is quite a misnomer, considering it specifically states when i installed it, that it will automatically resize when full. The OS, on the other hand, will not actually cause this to ever happen, because it's using a fixed disk size. Jul 31 21:51:55 so, to actually make the disk resize, you have to run vboxmanage modifiyhd vdifile --resize newmegabytes Jul 31 21:51:59 then gparted in the guest os Jul 31 21:52:48 I love the git help command. I feel so cheeky when I type it Jul 31 21:53:08 * EricBlade emulates the British: bloody git Jul 31 21:53:10 EricBlade: didn't realize that. Jul 31 21:57:03 and now network on both of my virtualboxes has stopped. Jul 31 21:58:34 o.o the rest of my system slows to a halt now that I updped the building to 3 cores Jul 31 21:58:58 LarrySteeze: 3 out of what? Jul 31 21:59:22 EricBlade: ugh, network and VBox is a nightmare, hate hate hate Jul 31 22:00:14 4 Jul 31 22:03:41 if linux on my dad's computer is anything to go by, single core isn't a great way to go :p Jul 31 22:04:03 I expected a slowdown Jul 31 22:04:27 but this is a bit much...this is a FRESH install specifically for the purpose of building (so I wouldn't have any background processes competing) Jul 31 22:04:49 what wm do you run? Jul 31 22:05:00 gnome Jul 31 22:05:08 though wm should be largely a GPU-driven thing... Jul 31 22:05:28 though I've considered changing to kdm Jul 31 22:07:54 it's been forever since i've played with the various WMs for linux Jul 31 22:08:20 i remember when KDE4 first came out though, buggiest thing ever Jul 31 22:08:27 apparently it's pretty sweet now though Jul 31 22:09:21 err Jul 31 22:09:43 sorry...I don't know where kdm came from...probably because I have a korean car and tend to buy stuff from the korean domestic market Jul 31 22:11:06 KDE is hotness now Jul 31 22:11:14 LarrySteeze|Shh: kdm is the login manager for KDE Jul 31 22:11:36 ok so I feel less silly then Jul 31 22:11:57 but still no excuse ;-) Jul 31 22:11:58 yeah, i googled KDM just in case :p Jul 31 22:12:02 looks shiny Jul 31 22:49:43 about to pass 7 hours since i started trying to build this .. and still waiting on some things to complete for my last ditch effort to work around the qt not building issue Jul 31 22:52:44 "The Phoenix Team is working for supporting the current devices (Pre, Veer and HP Touchpad) to get a full working Open webOS" Phoenix version." Jul 31 22:54:24 lol Jul 31 22:54:49 has Phoenix ever done anything other than announce things? Jul 31 22:55:35 I'd have to sign a NDA to have that information. Jul 31 22:55:43 ah Jul 31 22:55:54 They could tell me, but then if I told you, they'd have to kill me. Jul 31 22:56:12 heh Jul 31 22:57:05 NDAs would suggest that they're serious, but currently it just seems like a bit of a joke Jul 31 22:57:10 (harsh as that may sound) Jul 31 22:58:49 It does sound like a joke Jul 31 22:58:58 Their site is under maintenance btw? Jul 31 22:59:16 Who are these people and why aren't they working with the people who are working in the open? Jul 31 23:01:14 I'd have to sign a NDA to have that information. They could tell me, but then if I told you, they'd have to kill me. Jul 31 23:01:47 that was my thought, webOS Ports has a well-known history in webOS Internals, why wouldn't they seek to pool resources..? Jul 31 23:01:48 this is funny. my dog, after living here for 3 months now, has just discovered there's a WINDOW in my office. Jul 31 23:02:14 you're lucky to have windows in your office Jul 31 23:02:36 working from home is the best :) Jul 31 23:03:46 Working from hackerspace is better :P Jul 31 23:05:21 the fact that copying everythign in my home directory to a new partition has so far taken more than 30 minutes, is really making me wonder just what on earth i have in there Jul 31 23:06:06 well, isis is 8gb Jul 31 23:06:41 the whole of webos so far appears to be about 22gb minus some small stuff in there Jul 31 23:06:56 nice and lightweight Jul 31 23:07:54 it's amazing that this much code can be distilled down to a whole running system that is under 200mb Jul 31 23:14:41 lol. crap. Jul 31 23:14:50 my new partition only has 4mb on it after copying everything. resize again! Jul 31 23:17:50 urk, resizing partitions Jul 31 23:17:55 that's never any fun Jul 31 23:18:18 also wtf github mac, at least give me an error message if you're going to not merge stuff Jul 31 23:21:03 sometimes I wish it wouldn't give me an error message Jul 31 23:21:20 then at least I'd go 2o minutes being happy and thinking it's doing what I asked it to Jul 31 23:22:47 but then you realise that you just lost 20 minutes that you can never get back Jul 31 23:22:57 DAMN YOU GIT GIVE ME MY 20 MINUTES BACK Jul 31 23:23:39 aw'ripawer'gjipawrgjp now i can't login to my ubuntu gui Jul 31 23:27:07 every time a noise happens outside now the dog is sprinting to the window Jul 31 23:28:17 lol Jul 31 23:30:21 my cat's taken a unique approach to that situation Jul 31 23:30:35 she's taken ownership of the chair by the window Jul 31 23:30:56 i think he'll get over it after he hears a few car doors that aren't the eldest boy coming home Jul 31 23:31:38 anyone have any clue why 'git branch -l' would show ONLY the master branch? Jul 31 23:38:39 really? Jul 31 23:38:43 thats WRONG Jul 31 23:41:10 LarrySteeze|Shh, git pull then do that Jul 31 23:41:38 already up to date Jul 31 23:42:32 12@ubuntu:~/woce-build$ git branch -l Jul 31 23:42:32 * master Jul 31 23:42:33 omfg Jul 31 23:42:48 adding a user account in ubuntu creates a new home directory for that user.. with the permissions of the original user Jul 31 23:43:34 security risk much? Jul 31 23:43:41 There is a guy at XDA that got Linux running on kindle fire but not sure if that would help with openwebOS on kindle fire: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1677085 Jul 31 23:47:43 so long as you don't touch the screen :D Jul 31 23:50:05 keep on reading, touchscreen works just not multitouch Jul 31 23:53:30 aha, missed that bit Jul 31 23:53:47 wouldn't that be an X thing though? I didn't think it supported multitouch Jul 31 23:53:50 LarrySteeze|Shh: git branch -a? Jul 31 23:54:17 12@ubuntu:~/woce-build$ git branch -a Jul 31 23:54:17 * master Jul 31 23:54:17 remotes/origin/HEAD -> origin/master Jul 31 23:54:17 remotes/origin/master Jul 31 23:54:46 o.O Jul 31 23:54:55 my point exactly Jul 31 23:55:36 LarrySteeze|Shh: Sure you aren't looking for the branches of LunaSysMgr and not woce-build? Jul 31 23:56:29 ha he ha Jul 31 23:56:36 ~_~ Jul 31 23:56:37 ya, LSM Jul 31 23:56:49 LarrySteeze|Shh, I got bit on that too! Jul 31 23:57:05 ka6sox-gone: but I just spent 3 hours on it Jul 31 23:57:30 now I know how it feels to be the "oh, the computer wasn't plugged in" lady Jul 31 23:58:02 LarrySteeze|Shh, sometimes we are the goat...I had my day about 10 days ago with this. Jul 31 23:58:07 I think that long-term we should set the vagrantfile up so that you end up with a Luna clone in ~/LunaSysMgr and we default to a modified custom.mk to do it, to keep that from happening.. Jul 31 23:58:19 it got me too when I set up the environment ;) Jul 31 23:58:38 well, I got so fed up with vagrant that I wasn't even using vagrant anymore Jul 31 23:58:43 aha Jul 31 23:58:50 * rrix needs to eat, hasn't all day, does so Jul 31 23:58:52 bbl Jul 31 23:58:55 its not a vagrant issue Jul 31 23:59:01 not at all Jul 31 23:59:09 but at first, I was convinced it was Aug 01 00:00:50 yea i can't get the vagrant thing running at all Aug 01 00:01:03 I have no problem running it Aug 01 00:01:10 but every time I finish with it, I have to destroy it Aug 01 00:04:48 i'm giving up on getting this to build on my 64-bit install Aug 01 00:07:36 you're going to love this rrix Aug 01 00:07:42 12@ubuntu:~/LunaSysMgr$ git branch -l Aug 01 00:07:42 * master Aug 01 00:08:01 err never mind Aug 01 00:08:35 finally got it Aug 01 00:09:03 yay! Aug 01 00:09:47 this is quite the day for development, first the crazy press, now everyone's having technical difficulties Aug 01 00:09:51 12@ubuntu:~/LunaSysMgr$ git branch -l Aug 01 00:09:51 master Aug 01 00:09:51 * pull_req_5 Aug 01 00:09:55 * ShiftyAxel kicks github for mac Aug 01 00:10:32 what is the mer channel? Aug 01 00:10:34 why I didn't have issues before but couldn't get it today, who knows Aug 01 00:13:22 * ShiftyAxel has been neglecting his data types Aug 01 00:14:03 g++ -c .... -o obj/release/CString.o/home/eric/luna-desktop-binaries/WebKit/Source/WTF/wtf/text/CString.cpp Aug 01 00:14:39 not only does WebKit have a "WTF" directory, it has a -subdirectory- in WTF called wtf Aug 01 00:15:28 * LarrySteeze|Shh kicks vi Aug 01 00:15:49 EricBlade, someone (who is probably gone) has a SEnse of Humor... Aug 01 00:16:10 gone from webkit? Aug 01 00:19:36 ok, so kid is back from surgery, and now we have the entire high school robotics team visiting us again. at least she's popular with the nerds. Aug 01 00:21:02 wtf is the web template frameowrk Aug 01 00:21:36 i don't know wtf is it? Aug 01 00:23:31 wtf is on first Aug 01 00:24:41 EricBlade, better I guess than the Jocks! Aug 01 00:26:06 amen to that! Aug 01 00:27:46 ShiftyAxel: you ever get it built? Aug 01 00:28:32 EricBlade: yeah, i posted screenshots Aug 01 00:28:43 they're on it's wiki page too, lemme root the address out Aug 01 00:29:04 EricBlade: v Aug 01 00:29:06 bah] Aug 01 00:29:08 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Open_webOS_LunaSysMgr Aug 01 00:30:14 so just a gray screen with the clock? that looks familiar. Aug 01 00:30:19 when i read README.md and it said 'ui is currently very minimal' i didn't think they meant it quite that literally Aug 01 00:30:22 yeah, it is Aug 01 00:30:25 familiar, you say? Aug 01 00:30:31 you might try copying in the assets from the touchpad ;) Aug 01 00:31:22 yeah, familiar, like that's what happened when we copied it to phones before copying the image assets in Aug 01 00:31:37 alright, let's take a nap while this builds again Aug 01 00:31:56 oh yeah, just with a background, which hasn't been set on here... Aug 01 00:32:09 i guess the assets should go in the same places they did on TP Aug 01 00:32:56 wait, it's almost done building...what happened? Aug 01 00:36:34 magic Aug 01 00:37:34 yeah Aug 01 00:59:58 http://pastebin.com/pNsmBzA1 Aug 01 01:00:05 enough includes? Aug 01 01:04:04 hey it's built! Aug 01 01:04:14 9 hrs later.. :D Aug 01 01:05:48 i have a clock, and a gesture area Aug 01 01:05:59 at least, i think that's what that is. Aug 01 01:06:28 and when i touch the gesture area, it core dumps Aug 01 01:10:15 :-( Aug 01 01:12:53 folks Aug 01 01:13:04 good to hear that they release that code Aug 01 01:13:05 EricBlade: wait, gesture area? Aug 01 01:13:20 it's either a gesture area or a home button Aug 01 01:13:40 intriguing, is this without adding anything extra? Aug 01 01:15:10 http://ericbla.de/owos/firstrun.jpg Aug 01 01:15:29 ooh, neat Aug 01 01:15:54 your clock's in the center too, i wonder if it automatically changes the layout based on window size Aug 01 01:16:07 'cause mine was a 1024x768 window Aug 01 01:16:38 so what'd you do differently .. Aug 01 01:17:14 i built, cd ~/luna-desktop-binaries; ./service-bus.sh start; ./run-luna-sysmgr.sh Aug 01 01:20:30 i did the exact same Aug 01 01:20:56 when did you pull down the source? maybe something changed between my compiling and your compiling Aug 01 01:21:04 about 11:30am Aug 01 01:21:49 TZ? Aug 01 01:22:02 I pulled mine at around 1:15 GMT Aug 01 01:22:12 i'm eastern Aug 01 01:22:18 i doubt it changed Aug 01 01:22:20 Now I can't build at all. I keep running into this: /usr/include/features.h:324:26: fatal error: bits/predefs.h: No such file or directory Aug 01 01:22:21 compilation terminated. Aug 01 01:22:42 I can't build stock woce or custom Aug 01 01:24:00 EricBlade: looks like the earliest commit since it was pushed was 4 hours ago, so you'd be correct Aug 01 01:24:59 this wouldn't be so frustrating if it wasn't working *yesterday* Aug 01 01:26:18 heh. they deleted the release-topaz folder .. Aug 01 01:26:23 so.. uh.. don't lose that file :) Aug 01 01:33:47 * ShiftyAxel backs it up with a vengeance Aug 01 01:33:57 though is it really of any use? :P Aug 01 01:37:53 who knows? Aug 01 01:38:21 wait a second...why is my "normal" name not "away" Aug 01 01:38:46 if i can figure out this absolutely mystifying build system, i want to see if i can build the libs for arm Aug 01 01:38:55 as is, i can't even figure out where the c compiler is defined in anythign Aug 01 01:45:37 cmake .. argh Aug 01 01:45:47 who on earth decided we needed to replace make Aug 01 01:45:57 with something that just generates horrific makefiles Aug 01 01:49:55 where is this commit that was pushed? Aug 01 01:50:17 EricBlade, who else...HP! Aug 01 01:50:50 LarrySteeze|TP, what are you tring to build? Aug 01 01:51:42 what commit pushed where by who Aug 01 01:51:47 when Aug 01 01:53:12 ka6sox: at this point, anything related to woce Aug 01 01:53:44 I tested last night before I went to sleep and was good. Today has been a nightmare Aug 01 01:53:47 EricBlade, i think I'm confusing your issue Aug 01 01:53:55 with LarrySteeze's Aug 01 01:54:09 my only issue at this point is lack of knowledge. Aug 01 01:54:15 i r smrt Aug 01 01:54:20 heh Aug 01 01:54:27 join the club Aug 01 01:54:50 at this point, I'm running the vagrant "make" again with stock woce just to make sure I have *something* working Aug 01 01:54:54 and that i probably should've spent my day doing something instead of trying to build this. Aug 01 01:56:17 It just stinks because even when I allocate more cores and ram, it builds at a fraction of the speed Aug 01 01:59:42 LarrySteeze: try 'make -j Aug 01 02:00:09 ShiftyAxel: I know that :P Aug 01 02:00:27 good good :P Aug 01 02:00:33 ShiftyAxel, tell him what you did to solve this Aug 01 02:00:38 aobut the rsynbc Aug 01 02:01:31 rsync? i'm not sure what the issue is Aug 01 02:02:15 didn't the shared folder act SLOW... Aug 01 02:02:47 well, i discovered something new. Aug 01 02:02:54 Whatever Rockhopper is, it's 64-bit ARM Aug 01 02:03:00 armv8? Aug 01 02:03:23 uses the "aarch64" compiler Aug 01 02:08:06 ooh, so it must be Aug 01 02:08:11 that's… interesting Aug 01 02:08:18 i don't know of any armv8 devices Aug 01 02:10:27 well, much like webos itself .. Aug 01 02:10:30 it won't run on anything Aug 01 02:10:30 :) Aug 01 02:11:33 Gloom! Dread! Aug 01 02:12:12 sorry Pixi users...you won't be supported with this new version of the OS that is designed for a screen 20X yours... Aug 01 02:12:41 (paraphasing articles) Aug 01 02:12:55 yes they will Aug 01 02:13:03 Phoenix is working on it for them Aug 01 02:13:15 * LarrySteeze|TP blinks several times * Aug 01 02:13:25 successful-troll.jpg Aug 01 02:13:32 :D Aug 01 02:14:04 careful LarrySteeze, if you say stuff like that the men in suits with phoenix logos might turn up at your door! Aug 01 02:14:29 2 by 2...hands of blue Aug 01 02:14:31 well I'll tell you what...if I suddenly don't show up on friday, saturday, or sunday... Aug 01 02:14:40 It's probably because I had to fly to Michigan for a wedding. Aug 01 02:22:00 webosnation just put up an article speculating which devices might fit openwebOS Aug 01 02:22:02 like a leaf on the wind Aug 01 02:22:12 ooh, baseless speculation! Aug 01 02:22:16 * ShiftyAxel reads Aug 01 02:23:24 "despite the fact that version 3.3 has support for ARM processors going all the way back to Cortex-A8 (the original Palm Pre ran one of TI's ARM Cortex-A8 processors)" Aug 01 02:23:31 does that sound like a jab to anyone else? Aug 01 02:26:41 LarrySteeze when are you stopping in? this weekend? Aug 01 02:30:01 EricBlade: yeah Aug 01 02:30:53 LarrySteeze|TP: I haven't seen a response to this yet: https://www.facebook.com/phxdevices/posts/334234706668325 Aug 01 02:31:00 well swing by with all those useless unsupported webos devices ok Aug 01 02:31:18 EricBlade: heh Aug 01 02:32:42 *likes* Aug 01 02:33:07 rwhitby: Good luck getting a response Aug 01 02:33:33 LarrySteeze|TP: I don't expect one. But people should be aware of the question, and the lack of an answer. Aug 01 02:34:09 rwhitby: my question still stands. Has phoenix released ANYthing besides propaganda? Aug 01 02:34:25 * rwhitby has no comment Aug 01 02:34:45 even a modification of freely available information on public gits? Aug 01 02:34:59 I only ask pertinent questions, I always try not to comment on how other projects are run. Aug 01 02:35:28 I wasn't commenting on how it's run. It's a genuine question. I haven't seen anything, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Aug 01 02:35:58 I am not aware of any publicly accessible code or documentation authored by PIC. Aug 01 02:36:18 gotcha Aug 01 02:37:20 alright people. Now that I finally have my build environment back working again, it's time for me to hit the sack Aug 01 02:37:58 have a good one all! Aug 01 02:38:00 LarrySteeze|TP: it'll have changed again before you wake ;) Aug 01 02:38:31 rwhitby: that's what happened yesterday, and it took me 5.5 hours to fix it today Aug 01 02:38:57 nn LarrySteeze Aug 01 02:51:08 oh, PIC has replied: https://www.facebook.com/phxdevices/posts/334234706668325 Aug 01 02:51:17 "everything will be revealed in shortly" Aug 01 02:52:03 maybe something from HP in licence ? Aug 01 02:53:54 so.. anyone happen to be familiar enough with cmake to give me an idea how to set it up to locate libraries somewhere besides the system dir? Aug 01 02:53:59 nopr Aug 01 02:54:03 i've googled, but none of it seems to work Aug 01 02:56:28 why cmake.... Aug 01 02:56:35 just to make things *tough*? Aug 01 02:59:57 https://twitter.com/phxdevices/status/230416528309383168 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 01 02:59:59 2012