**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 02 02:59:59 2012 Aug 02 03:00:24 hmm Aug 02 03:55:56 * HaDAk|zzz falls over on his keyboard Aug 02 04:02:05 nn HaDAk|zzz Aug 02 04:03:15 folks Aug 02 04:03:40 bhueys Aug 02 04:50:39 so.. where do i get this tweaks version for us? Aug 02 04:52:54 its in beta feeds Aug 02 04:56:46 ok with this Luna i was given for testing.. i notice that it shows the name of my device in the upper left hand corner of luna .. this doesn't ring a bell Aug 02 04:57:04 it also seems to be ridiculously hard to get the regular upswipe to trigger Aug 02 04:57:23 well now it's owrking fine. maybe my finger was broken. Aug 02 05:11:34 either my finger is broken, or i'm finding the replacement gesture system to be quite difficult to trigger sometimes Aug 02 05:13:22 sideswipes don't seem to trigger at all with it set to "Swipe" vs Slide, whatever that means. also, i thought the side gestures were getting their own setting independent of the up swipe Aug 02 05:33:39 zzz Aug 02 05:34:35 thats my job Aug 02 06:32:19 morning morphis Aug 02 06:32:28 ka6sox: good morning Aug 02 06:41:31 why am I spacing on where the upstart bits live.../var/lib/palm/event.d or /var/plam/event.d Aug 02 08:10:16 stefan_schmidt_w: hmm is this same stefan as from openmoko? Aug 02 08:10:28 destinal: yes Aug 02 08:10:37 destinal: I am, why? Aug 02 08:10:40 hi morphis Aug 02 08:10:42 hi all Aug 02 08:10:45 stefan_schmidt_w: heyho Aug 02 08:10:47 and of course hi destinal Aug 02 08:11:06 stefan_schmidt_w: ah cool. hi. yeah I think we talked about webos or palm pre some years ago in webos-internals Aug 02 08:11:15 welcome Aug 02 08:11:52 destinal: yeah, I got the pre as it got launched in .de Aug 02 08:11:57 destinal: Also got a TP Aug 02 08:12:09 And still interested in seeing progress on Open WebOS Aug 02 08:12:31 At some point I might even get myself motivated to flash the WOCE stuff on my TP :) Aug 02 08:13:04 same. I think webos is very powerful and I'm excited to see it enter the world of OSS Aug 02 08:13:45 I like it quite a bit more than android generally Aug 02 08:14:44 even when closed it was a lot more accessible to hack on / customize IMO Aug 02 08:15:32 Well, I prefer it over Android on a UX and integration level for sure Aug 02 08:15:41 Missing apps is a big problem tho Aug 02 08:25:17 stefan_schmidt_w: that's fair enough Aug 02 08:27:47 So, if anybody wants to be a hero get the dalvikvm running and have a translations for the APIs from Android to open WebOS Aug 02 08:28:36 stefan_schmidt_w: ah yeah android app support would be a game changer Aug 02 08:29:10 if rather... non-trivial Aug 02 08:29:17 destinal: yeah, sure Aug 02 11:12:06 whoo, destinal active in chat again! Aug 02 11:12:54 can you believe it? Aug 02 11:14:48 Morning LarrySteeze Aug 02 11:14:56 morning Aug 02 11:15:14 I hate to be a tease, but I'm only on for moments before I head off to work Aug 02 11:15:27 heh Aug 02 11:15:33 I'm still up Aug 02 11:15:50 (only 4:15 out here on the pacific plate) Aug 02 11:16:02 yech Aug 02 11:16:12 I only hopped on because I saw you emailed so I planned to respond Aug 02 11:16:32 standing by for incomming message Aug 02 11:21:02 alrighty...time to head off to work! Aug 02 11:21:04 adios Aug 02 11:21:12 incoming message read and understood Aug 02 11:21:15 have fun! Aug 02 11:21:58 thanks much Aug 02 12:34:03 Been gone for a while now. Has anyone gotten OWO-LSM running on the desktop yet? Aug 02 15:22:33 tyrok: http://ericbla.de/owos/firstrun.jpg Aug 02 15:42:05 * HaDAk|work eyes EricBlade suspiciously Aug 02 15:42:36 o.O Aug 02 15:42:47 [11:22:38] tyrok: http://ericbla.de/owos/firstrun.jpg Aug 02 15:42:53 i wanna know how you did that. Aug 02 15:42:55 wat Aug 02 15:42:59 also, when did they drop owo? Aug 02 15:43:02 i jsut ran the new one Aug 02 15:43:07 31st Aug 02 15:43:20 but it's just luna, not everything? Aug 02 15:46:01 * HaDAk|work starts to get ready to compile it on his work box Aug 02 15:47:54 it's a buildin Aug 02 15:51:01 EricBlade, does your VM have vim or vim-tiny installed? Aug 02 15:51:31 if it's *just* vim-tiny that would explain "doesn't act right" :) Aug 02 16:15:27 it's vim.tiny apparently Aug 02 16:15:37 cursor keys don't work right Aug 02 16:17:24 hadak as far as getting cross compiling working, it's something involving the PkgConfig cmake modules Aug 02 16:17:33 what, i don't know at this time, though Aug 02 16:19:39 EricBlade: is a blank screen with a clock as far as you've gotten re running it on desktop? Aug 02 16:19:56 yes Aug 02 16:25:30 eew, who uses cursor keys in vi Aug 02 16:25:43 if you're not getting [A and [B all over your code, you're not doing it right ;) Aug 02 16:38:33 i use cursor keys when in edit mode Aug 02 16:51:26 morning all Aug 02 17:07:44 EricBlade: ping? Aug 02 17:07:50 hi Aug 02 17:08:30 hey, i saw in the log that you mentioned sideswipes not being in that luna build Aug 02 17:09:07 can't get it to work unless i enable slide mode, whatever that means Aug 02 17:09:13 figured I'd clarify a little- we pulled together all the currently open requests that followed the pull guides on the wiki Aug 02 17:09:33 since your side-swipe one isn't there anymore, it didn't make it in (you should definately resubmit!) Aug 02 17:09:58 i thought yours included Aug 02 17:10:13 nah, my patch is just the slide gestures, totally different method Aug 02 17:10:35 when they're turned off it reverts back to handleScreenEdgeSlideGesture, which iirc is what your patch modifies? Aug 02 17:10:40 *SwipeGesture Aug 02 17:14:37 since github seems to be completely unable to seperate one commit from any other commit, i don't seem to have any choice but to pull req on all changes i've done, even if they are completely irrelevant Aug 02 17:15:59 yeah, it's a bit of a faff to separate them Aug 02 17:17:25 you could make a new branch and then rollback to the last edge swipe commit? Aug 02 17:18:38 interesting. so you patched it so that the apps ignore bezel swipes completely. that's good Aug 02 17:19:36 well i am giving up on cross-compiling nyx-lib and such Aug 02 17:19:45 cannot figure out how the make system works Aug 02 17:20:07 yeah, there's a 15px border that eats mousePress events. sadly it also makes stuff at the edge of the screen a little bit harder to tap. Aug 02 17:22:02 * ShiftyAxel has a read Aug 02 17:22:24 oh boy, cmake. i looked into that when i started learning OpenGL Aug 02 17:22:30 did not look fun(tm) Aug 02 17:23:56 getting it to compile was easy, getting it to not use the system's glib and such appears to be maddening Aug 02 17:30:25 oh! luna just finished building :D Aug 02 17:31:23 it segfaults when i push the button :( Aug 02 17:35:33 HaDAk: at least you have a button! Aug 02 17:35:42 * ShiftyAxel wants a button Aug 02 17:35:55 it segfaults when i push the button too Aug 02 17:37:16 ShiftyAxel: why don't you get a button? Aug 02 17:37:44 HaDAk: I dunno, I ran it and got a 1024x768 grey screen w/status bar, and the clock's in the top-right Aug 02 17:37:59 so i'm guessing it somehow defaulted into tablet mode or something Aug 02 17:39:43 and the rest of us are in 320x480 Aug 02 17:39:45 http://min.us/mR5ltjQPp Aug 02 17:40:20 god. it core dumps whenever i do anything Aug 02 17:40:24 look at it and it core dumps Aug 02 17:40:51 it knows when you're looking at it o.O Aug 02 17:43:05 HaDAk|work: Is that LSM wrapped in a window on a PC? Aug 02 17:43:30 Ah, Open webOS! Aug 02 17:43:58 :) Aug 02 17:44:06 * dkirker needs to play with it. Aug 02 17:44:32 EricBlade: Got some work to do then, apparently, to figure out why it doesn't work. I've seen little that should prevent it from working properly. Aug 02 17:44:42 I am going to look at WebKit at the "Enyo" Hackathon. But shhhh! Don't tell anyone. :P Aug 02 17:47:26 you do realize that you can check /tmp/LunaSysMgr.log to see why it's failing, right? Aug 02 17:55:44 dkirker you will be shot on sight! Aug 02 18:00:53 what is with derek / webosnations, totally stirring people up Aug 02 18:01:56 HP sucks I hate you now blah blah blah, easier to complain then to try to take the source code and help build what you want to have I suppose Aug 02 18:02:10 s/then/than/ Aug 02 18:02:10 destinal meant: HP sucks I hate you now blah blah blah, easier to complain than to try to take the source code and help build what you want to have I suppose Aug 02 18:04:43 destinal: agreed, the last few articles were really not good Aug 02 18:07:01 though the latest one about the Chile is interesting, I wonder where derek got his info from Aug 02 18:10:05 yeah i wish he'd put the synergv article back on top :) Aug 02 18:10:42 halfhalo: BYTE ME! Aug 02 18:18:56 ok, i really need to get back to working on my own things, this whole week has been spent chasing down things that I don't know enough about to be able to make them work (I hope other people who have time to learn that, or already know it, can continue with that work though) .. so, if you guys need my first patch over again .. what's the quickest way to get that back in Aug 02 18:19:48 or, how can i make github actually do what i want it to do instead of what it wants to do Aug 02 18:26:50 ok figured out how to make a new branch just to that spot Aug 02 18:27:39 and pull req sent Aug 02 18:29:21 hopefully with ShiftyAxel's adjustment to the bezel swipes, that will mean it doesn't get sent into apps Aug 02 19:23:53 EricBlade: what doesn't get sent into apps? Aug 02 19:24:01 (sorry...wandering in late) Aug 02 19:25:02 bezel swipes Aug 02 19:33:55 EricBlade: like from the edges? Aug 02 19:34:02 why wouldn't you want those to get sent into the app? Aug 02 19:34:24 * bigbluehat uses back/forward nav tweak for the browser Aug 02 19:37:07 why would you want the card-view and prev/next app swipes to go into the app? o.O :) Aug 02 19:39:42 well, the OS previously only "tied up" the bottom bevel swipe Aug 02 19:39:50 I think it's unwise to claim all of the bevels for OS level stuff Aug 02 19:40:17 the app swipe doesn't claim the bezel anyway Aug 02 19:40:47 you could turn it off anyway. Aug 02 19:40:57 the patch just makes it a tap on the left or right most pixel area Aug 02 19:41:18 i guess i'd have to check with shifty's luna if that patch still works though Aug 02 19:41:49 hmm...guess I have to try it Aug 02 19:41:52 * bigbluehat has only seen demos Aug 02 19:45:30 mostly I think it's key to be careful about claiming to many interaction points for the OS Aug 02 19:47:55 webOS has always claimed bottom-up, so stick with that one makes sense Aug 02 19:48:11 other OS's (B2G, iOS, Android) also all claim the top-down swipe Aug 02 19:48:27 so that'd be the next best place to start adding features that are OS-level Aug 02 19:48:38 which leaves left & right hand swipes for apps Aug 02 19:49:22 both of which could be useful for a number of app design things--back/forward, spinning a "cube" UI, "flipping" a contact entry, or whatever else someone might want to try :) Aug 02 20:01:09 so many people wanted the left-right app swipe ala PlayBook that it was just insane. also it was crazy easy. Aug 02 20:02:27 how easy? Aug 02 20:05:52 this easy: https://github.com/ericblade/LunaSysMgr/commit/3cc8dddc02bfd6a5b8abe4ee890986dc35b1ad6e Aug 02 20:20:28 morning Aug 02 20:23:13 i totally understand why when you install an app in the ios app store, it sends you off to the last page in your home screen (presumably because the app will install there, and maybe you want to start the app after installing it) but it sure is freaking annoying. Aug 02 20:49:22 EricBlade: I'm hoping that changes w/ iOS6 Aug 02 21:01:25 the funny thing is, it often sends you off to the last page, but it's updating some app that's on page 2. Aug 02 21:02:29 that's really weird that i'm getting -no- styling on items Aug 02 21:11:52 folks Aug 02 21:12:19 so does the new code drop work ? I understand they got a new version of QtWebKit in there Aug 02 21:12:35 maybe it compiles ? Aug 02 21:13:07 it's got a clock Aug 02 21:13:10 and a push button Aug 02 21:14:03 and when you push the button you get a seg fault Aug 02 21:20:01 and if you're lucky/strange you don't get a button at all Aug 02 21:20:43 and your screen is bigger Aug 02 21:31:36 http://min.us/mR5ltjQPp Aug 02 21:31:50 s/lucky\/strange/broken/g Aug 02 21:32:13 please pardon if this has been asked before: but what exactly would be missing from openwebos1.0 that would preclude it from running on my Pre3? Aug 02 21:32:22 http://i49.tinypic.com/33maa6t.png Aug 02 21:32:24 kernel modules Aug 02 21:32:29 drivers Aug 02 21:32:36 webos runs on linux 2.6 Aug 02 21:32:37 all of them? Aug 02 21:32:39 openwebos is linux 3.3 Aug 02 21:32:47 2.6 kernel modules won't work on 3.3 Aug 02 21:33:08 Would all of the drivers be missing or just some of them. Aug 02 21:33:08 and they refuse to publish the source for them Aug 02 21:33:15 all the important stuff Aug 02 21:33:19 networking, graphics, sound... Aug 02 21:33:23 where can I read about this Aug 02 21:33:24 yeah, it's a pretty fundamental difference Aug 02 21:33:42 what are the chances of Pre3s being supported at some point Aug 02 21:33:48 the chatlogs are prob a good place to look if you can decipher our technobabble ;) Aug 02 21:34:01 nothing from HP about specifics Aug 02 21:34:04 ? Aug 02 21:34:04 *if* phoenix can work it out with HP, it's a possibility Aug 02 21:34:38 You are referring to http://phxdevices.com/ ? Aug 02 21:34:44 yup Aug 02 21:34:57 maintenance, eh? Aug 02 21:34:58 * ShiftyAxel eyes HaDAk suspiciously Aug 02 21:35:16 OT Aug 02 21:38:42 Personally I like the chances of a Snowball surviving in HELL better... Aug 02 21:38:51 ka6sox: is the discussion of what specific drivers will be missing on topic? Aug 02 21:38:54 I wouldn't say it's necessarily that "HP refuses to publish the source for them", more "HP [b]can't[/b] publish the source for them" Aug 02 21:39:03 such as, the source does not belong to HP to publish Aug 02 21:39:18 Davide-NYC, EricBlade hit it on the nose Aug 02 21:39:32 That's my question: is it for all hardware drivers, or just a subset? If a subset, which ones exactly? Aug 02 21:40:04 well, there's that. Aug 02 21:40:12 all existing devices Aug 02 21:40:23 They should release the source for what they can, even if it's for WebOS2.x so that the community can get busy porting t the new kernel Aug 02 21:40:27 i'd love to be able to offer some advice on that, however, i don't really have much. You could probably have a look at the kernels and see what modules they use Aug 02 21:40:49 they can't release all of the 2.0 branch, because it contains proprietary code. Aug 02 21:41:06 does it even matter if it's a subset? missing drivers = missing functionality, esp. if it's the graphics, screen, etc. would you want to use a phone without a working display? Aug 02 21:41:14 Davide-NYC, they are under no obligation to release anything that they own. and they have to comply with any license that says they ahve to publish Aug 02 21:41:39 and they have no RIGHTS to publish code that they don't own and isn't licensed to do so. Aug 02 21:42:05 our current announced "port" here is WOCE Aug 02 21:42:30 and for that we got code, patches, and an understanding of how to build it Aug 02 21:43:26 wild speculation about what they *should* do really isn't On-Topic... Aug 02 21:44:21 I am sad that the legacy devices will not see Open-WebOS but given the nature of Embedded Space this isn't surprising at all. Aug 02 21:44:23 ka6sox: fully understood. My interest is in getting the Pre2 and Pre3 running OpenWebOS. I'm wondering if anyone here has knowledge of if there are portions of webos2.x that could be released that would help in getting OWOS on the Pre3. Aug 02 21:44:49 Davide-NYC, *could* and *will* are 2 different things Aug 02 21:45:02 The only thing stopping OWO from running on legacy hardware is the kernel modules Aug 02 21:45:15 HaDAk|work, not true Aug 02 21:45:19 user space libs too Aug 02 21:45:36 if we had all the source, that wouldn't be an issue. we could compile them. Aug 02 21:45:49 Is there a list of the missing parts somewhere. (can you tell I'm not a dev?) Aug 02 21:45:58 HaDAk|work, exactly *what* source are you referring to? Aug 02 21:46:14 i think we still don't really have a whole lot of information as to what's going to be easy/hard/nigh impossible, until we actually have a full system. or at least a system that bootstraps. Aug 02 21:46:20 Davide-NYC: There is not, as this isn't an avenue that we can really pursue Aug 02 21:46:55 EricBlade, agreed Aug 02 21:46:57 Have we asked? Aug 02 21:47:04 and so this discussion is academic :D Aug 02 21:47:24 Davide-NYC, who is *we* Kemosabe? Aug 02 21:47:59 The group of humens still interested in running Pre3s. Aug 02 21:48:02 *humans Aug 02 21:48:12 Or Pre2s for that matter. Aug 02 21:48:13 ka6sox: the libraries? Aug 02 21:48:29 HaDAk|work, which libraries Aug 02 21:48:31 I'll be back in 90 minutes. Aug 02 21:48:35 * HaDAk|work shrugs Aug 02 21:49:06 HaDAk|work, right...they can't just *give* us the source for libraries they dont' have the rights to give us Aug 02 21:49:35 they're ripping out all the proprietary stuff and replacing it with open source stuff. that's the POINT of open webos Aug 02 21:49:59 but there are pieces that are NOT in openWebOS...and NEVER will be Aug 02 21:50:16 because they *can't* be Aug 02 21:51:01 pieces that are being replaced Aug 02 21:51:59 some pieces can't be replaced...because there are NO FOSS substitutes Aug 02 21:52:19 that's the list I think would be useful Aug 02 21:52:46 Davide-NYC, other than being a purely academic question and answer what good does it serve? Aug 02 21:55:58 EricBlade, do you have a log of the SegFault? Aug 02 21:57:53 Hey hackers, tell me what you're doing on WOCE right now Aug 02 21:58:40 i'm...going home. :P Aug 02 21:59:16 I'm eating pie. Aug 02 21:59:34 I'm reading up on the lone ranger Aug 02 22:00:14 rrix: i submitted my pull req for the left-right swipey Aug 02 22:00:20 woo Aug 02 22:00:31 excellent :D Aug 02 22:00:44 ShiftyAxel, can you try to regress that with the rest of the patches? Aug 02 22:01:06 I'd like to "release" something RSN Aug 02 22:01:13 ka6sox: i do not currently have a log, i could probably get something, but i'm in the middle of something rightn ow Aug 02 22:01:33 EricBlade, np...just paste when you get htime. Aug 02 22:01:55 * ShiftyAxel sees no pull request Aug 02 22:02:14 ShiftyAxel, it may be against the other repo. Aug 02 22:02:29 webos-ports/LunaSysMgr (my error...) Aug 02 22:02:35 we need a redirect built into that Aug 02 22:02:59 we do Aug 02 22:03:10 also, it doesn't have a tweaks entry Aug 02 22:03:17 sent over to woce Aug 02 22:03:22 Davide-NYC, there are projects to create drivers for Omap and snapdragon/adreno graphics, but that's just a part of the system. and I'm having a hard time finding out exactly what versions these projects support (and for now basing anything on them would probably be far from usable) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAwMTU http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE0OTU Aug 02 22:04:09 ShiftyAxel: we should add a left-right app switch tweaks entry .. Aug 02 22:04:14 that yours and mine would both respect Aug 02 22:04:49 EricBlade: I like this idea Aug 02 22:04:55 you 2 sort out how to name them...I'll get popcorn :D Aug 02 22:05:27 this kind of reminds me of the 47 different Muffle Patches. Aug 02 22:05:27 i was about to ask you for thoughts ka6sox, since both would be respecting it which pull request would the prefs entry go in? Aug 02 22:05:48 goes in both...but make them MX Aug 02 22:06:09 superdupergranular Aug 02 22:06:21 (presuming MX = Mutually eXclusive?) Aug 02 22:06:45 ShiftyAxel, yes Aug 02 22:06:56 shifty, if you got time, let me know how to hook it up, and i'll get it going Aug 02 22:07:18 EricBlade: sure thing, would a commit/diff be sufficient reference material? Aug 02 22:07:25 probably Aug 02 22:08:15 cool, i'll add it now and shoot you a link. can also provide advice upon request :) Aug 02 22:08:39 * ShiftyAxel has homebaked biscuits, oh yes Aug 02 22:09:55 oh dear, this may be slightly confusing Aug 02 22:10:15 the 'advanced gestures' setting is named 'sysUiEnableNextPrevGestures' Aug 02 22:10:20 silly HP... Aug 02 22:11:10 ka6sox: renaming sysUiEnableNextPrevGestures to sysUiEnableUpGesture, separate patch or is it okay to add to slide-gestures? Aug 02 22:11:38 is it *only* used by yours or is this system wide? Aug 02 22:12:03 rephrased: Shared or Local? Aug 02 22:12:15 comes as stock, it checks against it for enabling the upswipe on TP Aug 02 22:12:20 so Shared, i'd guess Aug 02 22:12:27 separate then Aug 02 22:12:35 along with explaination Aug 02 22:12:42 righto, i'll add that one later and use a distinct name for now Aug 02 22:14:47 RagingMind, thats a good thing to keep track of...unfortunately I don't have enough BW to do that. Aug 02 22:14:51 so good catch. Aug 02 22:17:30 this is like the Mali GPU which has a FOSS project to write drivers.... Aug 02 22:18:39 hey ka6sox Aug 02 22:18:48 wtf, vagrant just upped without a stupidly long wait time. suspicion. Aug 02 22:18:49 hey bhuey Aug 02 22:19:04 does that release with the new QtWebkit compile or is that next to conquer ? Aug 02 22:19:10 ShiftyAxel, need more alcohol Aug 02 22:19:38 I don't know if the new QtWebKit is necessary for 1.0 or not Aug 02 22:19:48 I have a better drug than alcohol: cinnamon syrup Aug 02 22:20:09 ShiftyAxel, oh great...Sugar Rush...followed by Diabetic Coma. Aug 02 22:20:24 followed by a few weeks of rehab and i'll be fiiiine Aug 02 22:21:00 a new functioning QtWebkit would be a big deal actually Aug 02 22:21:10 bhuey, I don't believe they would release it *now* if they didn't think they needed it for things. Aug 02 22:21:20 the problem is getting it all linked up to various parts of the system so that it has functionality outside of it just being a browser Aug 02 22:21:37 ka6sox: sorry, didn't understand you there Aug 02 22:21:58 why work on it and release it *before* 1.0 unless its necessary Aug 02 22:23:01 unless they needed to get it out on time you mean Aug 02 22:32:02 right Aug 02 22:44:13 ok Aug 02 22:44:27 yeah brain dissonance moment there Aug 02 22:44:28 well Aug 02 22:58:27 ka6sox, as far as I can tell there are projects from Samsung (for Enysox), TI (omap), and Qualcomm (Snapdragon) to get basic KMS drivers into the mainline kernel Aug 02 22:59:55 but I don't think any of those include 3D bits, though the omap uses or will use some loadable/plugable thing to do it Aug 02 23:00:19 and THEN there are also some FOSS driver projects too Aug 02 23:00:26 EricBlade: https://github.com/ShiftyAxel/LunaSysMgr/commits/slide-gestures Aug 02 23:00:45 it's a lot to try and keep track off :( Aug 02 23:00:49 The Aug 02 ones should be of help with adding tweaks support Aug 02 23:00:51 *of Aug 02 23:02:24 shazzafrazza, now i have to figure out how to merge specific commits back in Aug 02 23:03:21 RagingMind, ya, I wish I could keep up with them all...and most of the ones I've seen have been 2D only Aug 02 23:06:18 so far the most promising ones look to be omap and intel (after/if they switch away from powervr) Aug 02 23:08:04 which I find funny as the last board I bought from Intel had PowerVR on a x86 board Aug 02 23:09:16 thats because it was an atom. Aug 02 23:09:53 more phoronix http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA1NDU Aug 02 23:11:40 ka6sox: i finished adding support for toggleable app switch gestures Aug 02 23:12:30 RagingMind: What HP/Palm devices are Snapdragons? Aug 02 23:12:48 Davide-NYC, pre3 and touchpad Aug 02 23:13:57 and veer Aug 02 23:16:31 Shouldn;t there be a wiki page somewhere tracking all of the open source project that might help in getting OWO on legacy hardware? Aug 02 23:19:24 I suppose I could start putting together the info somewhere since I like following all this stuff anyway Aug 02 23:19:31 * dwc- nominates Davide-NYC to start the page Aug 02 23:20:48 * ka6sox seconds that Aug 02 23:21:50 all opposed? none? motion carries! Aug 02 23:23:28 the ayes have it Aug 02 23:23:33 * RagingMind glares at the room then shuffles back into his quiet corner and keeps compiling info Aug 02 23:24:48 wait Aug 02 23:24:52 * ka6sox is confused Aug 02 23:24:56 ha ha ha... Aug 02 23:25:03 dwc-, you missed that one Aug 02 23:25:15 RagingMind, do you have access to the wiki? Aug 02 23:25:23 (and so did I for that matter) Aug 02 23:25:59 RagingMind: I can't seem to make pages, but if you'll tolerate a noob's help I'm willing. Aug 02 23:26:25 Gimme wiki write permission and I'll make a small mess. Aug 02 23:27:18 Question: would android drivers for the same components be of any help? Aug 02 23:27:25 Davide-NYC, do you have a wiki account that you signed up for Aug 02 23:27:34 Davide-NYC, for now, of limited value Aug 02 23:27:41 OK Aug 02 23:27:45 binary blob drivers, or with source? Aug 02 23:27:53 with source Aug 02 23:28:00 presuming they exist Aug 02 23:28:24 ka6sox, I have an account on the -internals wiki, should it be there or on -ports? Aug 02 23:31:46 RagingMind, they are not linked Aug 02 23:31:55 please setup a new one and I will promote you Aug 02 23:31:59 Davide-NYC, same thing Aug 02 23:32:24 same thing meaning you setup an account but do not have write access? Aug 02 23:32:56 sorry, I now understand from the context. Aug 02 23:36:03 I'll check back later to see if my wiki permissions have been promoted. Aug 02 23:36:41 ka6sox, created as ragingmind Aug 02 23:37:16 see... be less useful (like me), then ka6sox doesn't tell you to go sign up for an account Aug 02 23:39:03 oi, being un-usefull is my job. I take it very seriously Aug 02 23:39:33 sounds like it requires serious commitment Aug 02 23:39:48 ~lart halfhalo Aug 02 23:39:48 * WoceBot hauls halfhalo up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles Aug 02 23:40:03 dwc-, sign up please... Aug 02 23:41:17 Davide-NYC, what is your EXACT user id... Aug 02 23:41:38 RagingMind, promoted Aug 02 23:45:52 Davide-NYC Aug 02 23:46:01 ...wow, that's an interesting function ka6sox Aug 02 23:46:39 aha! i found the post where barry said he'd seen a real webOS printer. http://forums.webosnation.com/3340147-post13.html Aug 02 23:46:47 or at least, seen it online Aug 02 23:49:35 !!!! Aug 02 23:49:42 * ShiftyAxel owns a deskjet Aug 02 23:50:35 ShiftyAxel, what "function" is that? Aug 02 23:51:21 I'm thinking the UI would require a rewrite due to the lack of a screen, perhaps have it print off apps and offload card management to the user. 'Biological rendering' sort of thing. Aug 02 23:54:00 ka6sox: lart, though on reflection 'command' would be a better term Aug 02 23:58:53 morning LarrySteeze Aug 02 23:59:01 good evening Aug 02 23:59:25 ka6sox: I'm on...for now Aug 03 00:02:18 * ka6sox falls ove Aug 03 00:02:19 r Aug 03 00:02:52 Davide-NYC, did I miss your ID? Aug 03 00:06:00 ka6sox: apparently it's Davide-NYC Aug 03 00:10:42 (7:41:22 PM) ka6sox: Davide-NYC, what is your EXACT user id... (7:45:58 PM) Davide-NYC: Davide-NYC Aug 03 00:12:02 why on earth is my woce build rebuilding my toolchain setup Aug 03 00:13:28 magic. Aug 03 00:18:05 EricBlade, because you clobbered it? Aug 03 00:18:34 Davide-NYC, got it Aug 03 00:18:39 you are now a Human. Aug 03 00:31:06 yeah i can't build anymore Aug 03 00:31:25 EricBlade: error? Aug 03 00:31:41 /usr/include/glib-2.0 is unsafe for cross-compilation Aug 03 00:32:12 hmm, could that be related to the nyx work you were doing? Aug 03 00:34:04 ka6sox: Permission error Aug 03 00:34:05 The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: *, Users, hp. Aug 03 00:34:28 my guess would be that it's likely related to the fact that i installed the "correct" tools from the distribution to cross compile, and it's now becoming confused. Aug 03 00:34:35 what are you trying to do? Aug 03 00:34:41 Davide-NYC, Aug 03 00:35:16 however, it should never have been using /usr/include/glib-2.0 anyway Aug 03 00:37:20 Host Failure.... Aug 03 00:37:21 :P Aug 03 00:39:00 * ka6sox blames halfhalo Aug 03 00:40:59 sleepytime methinks, nn all Aug 03 00:49:55 * ka6sox pokes LarrySteeze Aug 03 01:07:04 ka6sox: <- dwc Aug 03 01:08:26 dwc-, you are now human....how do you feel about that? Aug 03 01:08:48 I am a droid, I have no feelings Aug 03 01:09:17 my fave droids are the ones from Silent Running Aug 03 01:10:18 Huey, Dewey and Louie Aug 03 01:15:13 I thoguht those were ducks Aug 03 01:15:58 need the bot to look up quotes from random movies Aug 03 01:16:06 ~imdb-Silent Running Aug 03 01:32:07 my google skills are failing me. I've found a long mailing list convo about a simple tegra fb driver, but other than what's in the emails I can't find a code tree for it Aug 03 01:32:58 * RagingMind goes to watch news, will clear head and tackle again after Aug 03 01:35:02 RagingMind, tyvm Aug 03 01:35:04 laters Aug 03 01:39:03 well i updated my pull. Aug 03 01:39:35 if anyone tries to build it , let me know how it goes, otherwise it's going to be probably till next week before i can come back to it Aug 03 01:39:50 considering it will require my fixing my build environment i guess Aug 03 02:46:36