**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 12 02:59:59 2012 Aug 12 03:02:51 ka6sox-farfarawa: I'll have it for you soon Aug 12 03:05:10 the oroginal one...not LSM-CE Aug 12 03:05:22 i know Aug 12 03:05:35 i just doctored for you Aug 12 03:05:41 ty Aug 12 03:05:55 just have to get everything installed to grab it Aug 12 03:08:17 I could use 3 of them... Aug 12 03:08:20 3 checks Aug 12 03:08:32 pm'd to me Aug 12 03:09:56 all set Aug 12 03:11:17 ka6sox-farfarawa, md5sum straight from the doctor sent Aug 12 03:12:09 if its different than LarrySteeze's then ill doctor my test touchpad and see if there is a difference Aug 12 12:34:18 morning all Aug 12 14:53:29 Hello, nice job with the new Luna! :) Aug 12 14:56:17 morning Sledge007, and thanks! :) Aug 12 14:56:21 how are you finding it? Aug 12 14:57:33 One thing I noticed in the main thread, the screencap shows 2 minimized cards side-by-side. I havent found a way to enable that. hey shifty....the app switching is great! :) Aug 12 14:58:40 took me a bit to figure out why you would need a search in the task bar...lol...I get it now Aug 12 15:00:21 and nice not to have to open up screen&lock to lower the brightness to bare minimum Aug 12 15:02:38 the 2 minimized cards thing isn't a feature- it's a screencap taken midway through dragging Aug 12 15:05:40 trick photography :P Aug 12 15:07:31 that's too bad, that's one thing I missed from 1.x Aug 12 15:07:49 wonder what Vistaus' problem is with Tweaks? Maybe reinstall Palm Luna, and reinstall uberlunah/ Aug 12 15:07:52 ? Aug 12 15:12:03 is the file server being hammered to death? i'm stuck at "Downloading / Installing" Aug 12 15:13:30 I happened to catch Rod's post right after it was posted, I didnt have any issues...once I turned fhe feed on, that is :) Aug 12 15:15:52 Loudergood: are you referring to mini-cards? Aug 12 15:17:44 now, i can't even see the package o.O Aug 12 15:23:08 Hello Aug 12 15:23:14 I wasn't too sure what Loudergood was referring to. Aug 12 15:23:17 so I have an issue with woce Aug 12 15:23:38 Tweaks 3.0.x crashes Luna when trying to open Tweaks. tried reinstalling Tweaks, but no avail :( Aug 12 15:23:52 saw in the thread... Aug 12 15:24:27 you try going back to palm Luna, & reinstalling under? Aug 12 15:24:33 uber Aug 12 15:24:45 is that was it was called? Aug 12 15:25:01 Well, Tweaks 3.0.x under Palm Luna worked fine Aug 12 15:26:05 I can confirm my Tweaks 3.0.x under Uber works, hmm Aug 12 15:26:16 hmm. on my dev pad, the feeds were enabled automatically, on my main one, they weren't. Aug 12 15:26:37 Vistaus: do you have access to a device commandline? novaterm/via webOS Quick Install? Aug 12 15:26:39 also, my main one can't access the alpha feed at all, saying the host doesn't exist o.O Aug 12 15:26:46 it sounds like an odd issue Aug 12 15:27:02 also, OPEN QUESTION: what do you guys think of the name? 'UberLunah' Aug 12 15:27:11 rebooting router brb Aug 12 15:27:18 @ShiftyAxel: Yes, I have Xterm terminal emulator but I could do novaterm also (although I haven't used Novaterm for commands yet) Aug 12 15:27:42 (name is good btw IMHO) Aug 12 15:27:47 Vistaus: you'll probably need novaterm since it needs to git logs through a restart Aug 12 15:28:08 EricBlade, what is your twitter handle? Aug 12 15:28:23 ka6sox: his handle is @ekdikeo Aug 12 15:28:39 @Shifty: True. What command do I need to give? Aug 12 15:28:45 command(s)* Aug 12 15:29:02 Vistaus: open a novaterm console and run 'tail -f /var/log/messages', then open the launcher ready to trigger a restart with tweaks, press enter a few times in the terminal to create some whitespace, then open tweaks on the TP and watch the logs Aug 12 15:29:21 then after it restarts, ctrl-c out of the log and stick it on pastebin.com Aug 12 15:29:25 Alright, will try that right away :) Aug 12 15:30:44 UberLunah fits with the rest of webOS Internals app names....I like it. Aug 12 15:31:43 thing is though, it's not really an 'app' as such Aug 12 15:31:54 it's more akin to a kernel in that it's a system thing Aug 12 15:32:03 what would y'all think about 'UberLuna' Aug 12 15:32:30 you guys got the installer going Aug 12 15:32:32 I understand that it isn't really an app, per se... Aug 12 15:32:33 w00t Aug 12 15:32:35 lol Aug 12 15:32:39 hey fc Aug 12 15:32:42 wut you doing in here, get out Aug 12 15:32:44 fx Aug 12 15:32:50 no canadians alloweed! Aug 12 15:32:58 o.O Aug 12 15:33:07 damn yankees Aug 12 15:33:10 0.o Aug 12 15:33:15 yeah, the REAL yankees Aug 12 15:33:22 not those fake new york yankees Aug 12 15:33:23 now now, this is the grand state of internet Aug 12 15:33:31 ok, so, after rebooting my router, and both touchpads .. one straight preware, one with tuckerbox, the one without tuckerbox can see the OS Applications section, but it only has the original Luna, and the other can't see the section at all Aug 12 15:33:52 EricBlade1: have you enabled the woce-alpha feed? Aug 12 15:34:02 i had the same issue until i poked around and enabled that Aug 12 15:34:48 the one that can see the section had it enabled as soon as i upgraded, the one that still can't see it i had to enable it manually Aug 12 15:34:52 @ShiftyAxel Here you go :) http://pastebin.com/K7afuP7w Aug 12 15:35:30 Vistaus: I see the issue, however I'm not 100% on how to fix it Aug 12 15:35:45 :( Aug 12 15:35:49 oh, it just popped up in the one that can see the feed's list Aug 12 15:35:52 same here, took me awhile to figure out it was off... Aug 12 15:36:00 looks like there's something wrongs with Tweaks itself on your TP, it's failing to connect the card to the app and causing a sysmgr crash Aug 12 15:36:08 tried removing tweaks entirely and reinstalling? Aug 12 15:36:19 yup, already tried that but it didn't help Aug 12 15:36:28 ok after luna restarting, it's on Aug 12 15:37:04 Vistaus: do other apps work okay? Aug 12 15:37:18 also what webOS version are you running (not the UberLunah version) Aug 12 15:37:34 one thing I noticed, which isn't mentioned anywhere, (that I could find), is that you need to do a full device restart for changes to take effect. Aug 12 15:37:41 inf card cycling doesn't do anything still Aug 12 15:37:44 Yes, other apps work okay. My webOS version is 3.0.5 (latest available) Aug 12 15:37:57 catch that Eric? Aug 12 15:37:58 swipe from top doesn't do anything Aug 12 15:38:34 Sledge007: wasn't the case here. the swipe changes are working Aug 12 15:38:54 Sledge007: mine installed okay with just a luna restart Aug 12 15:39:06 strange, that was the only way I could get mine to work Aug 12 15:39:37 infinite card cycling didn't make it into this version, dukie still has some work to do on it iirc Aug 12 15:39:37 ShiftyAxel: maybe it would be possible to get the keyboard to not try to close if it's already up when you hit the search icon Aug 12 15:39:43 i like how it takes a lot of steps to just get it to the install point =P Aug 12 15:39:49 oh. it's still in my tweaks, i guess Aug 12 15:40:06 yeah, we don't nuke unimplimented jsons Aug 12 15:40:51 @ShiftyAxel Is there anything else I can try? Aug 12 15:41:16 Vistaus: I'm kind of stumped :( Aug 12 15:41:18 ShiftyA and others: would another touchpad tester be helpful? If so I will use my spare touchpad. I figure to login under spare profile would be best first before I test on the many apps I have on my profile Aug 12 15:41:49 Vistaus: actually, try uninstalling tweaks, then open /media/internal/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications and look for 'org.webosinternals.tweaks' Aug 12 15:42:49 also can you tell me the contents of /media/internal/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/org.webosinternals.tweaks.prefs/preferences Aug 12 15:43:52 bluen: more reports of success are always good ;) you should be pretty much safe with it, since there's a Palm LunaSysMgr recovery option in Preware Aug 12 15:44:31 no issues here, bluen Aug 12 15:46:27 @ShiftyAxel /media/internal/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/org.webosinternals.tweaks.prefs/preferences contains homebrew-pivot.json, calendar-google-sync-behaviors-patch.json, xserver.tweaks.json and xterm.tweaks.json Aug 12 15:46:55 Vistaus: can you install Uber and check again? Aug 12 15:47:02 Uber is installed Aug 12 15:47:08 ...interesting Aug 12 15:47:25 you're missing the 3 Luna jsons Aug 12 15:47:44 ah that's probably why it crashes. Aug 12 15:47:57 Sledge007: would you mind taking a look in /media/internal/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/org.webosinternals.tweaks.prefs/preferences for me? Aug 12 15:48:08 I dunno, it doesn't seem like a valid reason for it crashing... Aug 12 15:48:30 sure thing, gimmie a sec Aug 12 15:48:39 hmm, what could I do now then? :) Aug 12 15:49:42 I'll leave out the /internal/ part though ;) Aug 12 15:49:50 Vistaus: I'm unsure, have you got many modifications installed on your TP? Aug 12 15:50:00 Sledge007: good call Aug 12 15:50:23 @ShiftyAxel 22 patches Aug 12 15:50:54 hmm Aug 12 15:51:01 doctored it recently? Aug 12 15:51:11 so, how do you switch apps now? Aug 12 15:51:17 last doctor was about a month ago Aug 12 15:51:43 fxspec06: enable app switching gestures via tweaks, swipe from the bezels, enable slide gestures, revel in the awesome responsiveness Aug 12 15:51:54 (sideways swipes) Aug 12 15:52:00 anything in particular you are looking for? or you just want a list of what's there? Aug 12 15:52:09 a list please Aug 12 15:52:14 k Aug 12 15:52:36 Vistaus: I don't want to suggest doctoring, but it should definately fix the problem Aug 12 15:52:52 grr, would F4 be causing a problem o.O Aug 12 15:53:12 nope, i'm running F4 Aug 12 15:53:20 what part isn't working for you fxspec06? Aug 12 15:53:25 k, i'll do full reboot Aug 12 15:53:44 @ShiftyAxel Hmm... will try nuking both tweaks and luna first then Aug 12 15:53:53 none of it, after enabling all in tweeks Aug 12 15:53:55 (btw I'm running the default palm kernel if that maters) Aug 12 15:53:59 but reboot, so hang tight Aug 12 15:54:01 matters* Aug 12 15:54:09 kerne does NOT matter Aug 12 15:54:17 s/kerne/kernel/ Aug 12 15:54:17 ka6sox meant: kernel does NOT matter Aug 12 15:54:18 org.webosinternals.xserver.tweaks.json; org.webosinternals.xterm.tweaks.json; slide-gestures.json; slide-statusbar.json; statusbar-search.json Aug 12 15:54:29 yeah, kernel shouldn't factor into it Aug 12 15:54:37 after rebooting my main pad, i can now see the "app" if i search for it, can't find it in the list Aug 12 15:54:38 that's all that's in there Aug 12 15:54:54 Sledge007: congratulations, you have a correctly configured tweaks Aug 12 15:55:00 herrow Aug 12 15:55:03 it took a full restart for me fx Aug 12 15:55:03 just installed it Aug 12 15:55:28 Vistaus: i'm not sure why you don't, most likely something to do with the install script. do you have any LunaSysMgr.somethingorother files in /usr/bin? Aug 12 15:55:49 more people! morning Jake_M, how are you getting on with Uber? Aug 12 15:55:51 :) thanks lol Aug 12 15:55:55 ... and now the category shows up. jeezus that's weird Aug 12 15:55:55 oh hey, now i see the uberlunah title bar i think it's working Aug 12 15:56:04 fxspec06: jackpot Aug 12 15:56:04 heya jake Aug 12 15:56:09 :D Aug 12 15:56:15 my only quell or whatever the word is, i wish the tweaks settings were all ON Aug 12 15:56:24 kinda like how you shouldn't NEED govnah to run uberkernel Aug 12 15:56:25 see I'm not the only one that needs a full device restart Aug 12 15:56:32 i did a full device restart Aug 12 15:56:36 fan freaking tastic. Aug 12 15:56:46 Jake_M: you don't NEED govnah, it's just reccomended ;) Aug 12 15:56:48 Eric & shifty said they didnt Aug 12 15:56:49 alls i got to say, is it's about damned time Aug 12 15:57:03 word Aug 12 15:57:04 right, but all the settings for WOCE or uberlunah were turned off Aug 12 15:57:10 so like you need tweaks to really test them Aug 12 15:57:30 and HP ships with the 'advanced' upswipe off by default, it's so we aren't forcing all the features on all the people who may not want certain ones Aug 12 15:57:47 @ShiftyAxel /usr/bin has LunaSysMgr, LunaSysmgr.install, LunaSysService and LunaUniversealSearchMgr Aug 12 15:58:09 that and in the future there may be tweaks that conflict if turned on at the same time Aug 12 15:58:09 true Aug 12 15:58:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=UUNZXLW7O2TCsuRGQAwCAkkw&v=Fn-hctYa4Wc#t=20s Aug 12 15:58:15 that dvorak keyboard is great for slowing my typing down to 25% normal :) Aug 12 15:58:17 is that still WIP? Aug 12 15:58:25 Vistaus: nuke LunaSysMgr.install, uninstall Uber, reinstall Aug 12 15:58:48 i can't get the restore package to restore my luna on my main one. argh Aug 12 15:58:48 Jake_M: yes, it will be added to the Preware description when it's ready Aug 12 15:58:54 rockin' Aug 12 15:58:56 @Shifty Okay, I'll try Aug 12 15:59:07 EricBlade1: what's the problem? Aug 12 15:59:17 installing the restore package makes no changes Aug 12 15:59:20 i really like it. like obviously webOS isn't faster, but it's like the "Drag pixel radius" patch, it just SEEMS faster. and i REALLY appreciate the lower min brightness Aug 12 15:59:24 so what else is improved under the hood, other than the four tweaks in tweaks Aug 12 15:59:26 Sledge007: at least yours works! my regional settings is buggered Aug 12 15:59:42 i would imagine there's been some unseen optimizations Aug 12 15:59:46 ? Aug 12 15:59:48 LunaSysMgr CE does seem to run smoother than the 3.0.5 one, i think there have been Aug 12 16:00:12 we mostly worked on functionality for this release, I think HPalm made some under-the-hood improvements during the open sourcing Aug 12 16:00:22 i see Aug 12 16:00:32 that would definitely make sense Aug 12 16:00:41 @ShiftyAxel I'm having dinner now, after dinner I will see if that was the solution, thanks so far! :) Aug 12 16:00:42 we need to explain that some things are definately broken in this release. Aug 12 16:00:43 fxspec06: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/commits/features Aug 12 16:01:01 ka6sox is right, we do Aug 12 16:01:06 (the name being one thing…) Aug 12 16:01:17 * ka6sox ducks Aug 12 16:01:35 :| Aug 12 16:01:36 * ShiftyAxel lions Aug 12 16:01:45 cool, thx Aug 12 16:01:45 uberlunah 4.0.0 at the top bar blocks the system time on lock screen Aug 12 16:01:53 now would be a good time to fork it i guess Aug 12 16:02:18 forking is Bad Juju Aug 12 16:02:19 question: are pulseaudio/audiod related to luna? Aug 12 16:02:20 Jake_M: oh yeah, i'll note that down Aug 12 16:02:28 what's a lock screen? :) Aug 12 16:02:31 Jake_M: why do you ask? context? Aug 12 16:03:06 well we test Apollo all the time obviously and webOS has this bug related to audiod that causes it to have scratchy audio that is only fixed by restarting it and it gets irritating Aug 12 16:03:35 Jake_M, probably not related. Aug 12 16:03:47 related to Aug 12 16:03:55 Luna Aug 12 16:03:58 ah Aug 12 16:04:05 yeah i assumed not but thought i'd take a shot in the dark Aug 12 16:04:06 Jake_M: Apollo? Aug 12 16:04:18 ok i had to full reboot to get the recovery package to work on my main pad Aug 12 16:04:23 I don't think the fix lies in LSM, but I could also be wrong Aug 12 16:04:24 you know how when you go to rearrange the icons, there's a "done" that appears? well when you've got more than like 5 tabs in launcher it's covered. is that something that's fixable now Aug 12 16:04:33 apollo: https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.jmtk.apollo Aug 12 16:04:43 also, having the version string ever-present is kind of annoying Aug 12 16:04:44 right, that's two people reporting full restarts required Aug 12 16:05:00 EricBlade1: there's a reason for it Aug 12 16:05:11 EricBlade1, can you add that to a bugreport on issues.webos-ports.org so we get it fixed for the next release? Aug 12 16:06:25 installing the UberLuna to same pad did not require a full restart Aug 12 16:06:37 Jake_M: could you report the version text blocking the date on the lock screen to the bugreport please? Aug 12 16:07:00 roger Aug 12 16:07:12 that icon .. Aug 12 16:07:20 also, that link gives me a MASSIVE 'The application is not currently available. Please try again later.' screen Aug 12 16:07:33 no offense to whomever makes the icons, but this latest one is not the grteatest work =P Aug 12 16:07:49 fxspec06: can you make something better? ;) Aug 12 16:07:56 me? no way Aug 12 16:08:02 ka6sox: I think he's dissing you ;) Aug 12 16:09:52 what's the diff between slide and swipe gestures? Aug 12 16:10:15 shiftyaxel Aug 12 16:10:21 http://jmtk.us.to/#applications Aug 12 16:10:21 sup Aug 12 16:10:23 http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/37 Aug 12 16:10:39 fxspec06, you make a better one? please submit! Aug 12 16:10:45 fxspec06: slide gestures don't require you to release your finger, they trigger after 15px movement Aug 12 16:11:10 also they have a minor bug where you can perform up and side slides on any of the active edges Aug 12 16:11:26 ah, me gusta Aug 12 16:11:36 which is neat, but not intended, and will probably be removed/moved into another gesture mode in a future release Aug 12 16:12:08 baha, that's why the bottom swipe and top bar swipes feel faster, becuase they operate on movement not release Aug 12 16:12:10 nice. Aug 12 16:12:39 thankyaverymuch ;) Aug 12 16:12:53 there's something better than that in the pipeline, mind Aug 12 16:13:25 so updates will be through preware? Aug 12 16:13:39 Jake_M: yes Aug 12 16:13:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNIYO9oXS2c Aug 12 16:14:10 ah yes Aug 12 16:14:13 excellent Aug 12 16:14:29 * fxspec06 sobs Aug 12 16:14:38 o_O Aug 12 16:14:46 i like that Aug 12 16:14:48 * ShiftyAxel hands fxspec06 a tissue Aug 12 16:15:26 it's what we always dreamed of a year ago! Aug 12 16:15:32 Jake_M, fxspec06: what do you think of the name? and what do you think of the alternate 'UberLuna' Aug 12 16:15:36 yes, yes it is ;) Aug 12 16:15:54 added it to the ideas hub a few months ago, made it work a few weeks ago Aug 12 16:15:58 i think it's perfect. sounds pretty bamf Aug 12 16:16:00 well lunAH follows the whole webos internals line of whyever-add-ah Aug 12 16:16:25 people associate with uberkernel, even the whole internet knows that, so yeah i'd say it fits Aug 12 16:16:39 i think anyone who's owned a webos device knows what a luna reboot is Aug 12 16:16:52 I'm more focusing on whether or not to keep the 'h' Aug 12 16:17:32 since it's a system component instead of an app Aug 12 16:17:50 you mean UberlunaH Aug 12 16:18:15 yse Aug 12 16:18:21 that i can't answer directly. all i am gonna say is, is there any benefitial reason to adding the h Aug 12 16:18:31 no Aug 12 16:19:10 so it's a style preference then. take a vote Aug 12 16:19:36 put a poll on webosnation or something Aug 12 16:19:40 I think to differentiate -ports from -internals we need to drop the "H" Aug 12 16:19:57 * ShiftyAxel nods in agreement Aug 12 16:20:06 we are after all a Aug 12 16:20:12 *separate group Aug 12 16:20:32 hmmn keeping luna as stands would get people familar with the Luna name as press articles are written about this. Any benefit to getting the wider audience to learn the word Luna? Aug 12 16:20:47 bluen, yes Aug 12 16:21:02 luna isn't the issue here, that'll definately be in there Aug 12 16:21:31 lunah or lunaH could be seen differently than Luna Aug 12 16:21:43 you could even do uber-luna Aug 12 16:21:55 UberLuna sounds good to me Aug 12 16:21:55 or webosports-luna Aug 12 16:21:58 luna sounds a bit cleaner if you ask me Aug 12 16:22:05 dashes don't work in names Aug 12 16:22:15 they explode Aug 12 16:22:17 gotta bounce Aug 12 16:22:22 violently Aug 12 16:22:25 hit me up on twitter @jakemorrison24 if you need more feedback Aug 12 16:22:43 Jake_M: cool, have fun using Uber! Aug 12 16:22:51 Hmmn, PortsLuna Aug 12 16:22:53 Just to speak up. Everything seems to be working fine on my touchpad. There does seem to be a little conflict with the patches that add more quick launcher icons and remove or move the up arrow . They still work but the icons are shifted to the left le Aug 12 16:22:53 aving a small space on the right-hand side of the screen. Aug 12 16:23:27 PortkeyLuna (a play on harry potter, the other HP--might get some younger fans...) Aug 12 16:23:29 craftsman: that functionality is planned for a future release Aug 12 16:23:59 bluen: Lawyers inbound! Everyone GET TO COVER! Aug 12 16:24:15 the softwares is installed, the bugs are filed Aug 12 16:24:23 bluen, wish thatwere possible...portkey fails the google test Aug 12 16:24:25 Nice. So it is going to be built in and set by Tweaks Aug 12 16:24:37 craftsman: correct :) Aug 12 16:25:02 Nice. :-) Aug 12 16:25:06 I was hoping to elegantly implement it by having the launcher icon scoot off to the right when you added more than 5 icons Aug 12 16:25:22 but that proved difficult to impliment Aug 12 16:25:31 LunaPort Aug 12 16:25:53 Neat idea Aug 12 16:25:59 oh, yes, launcher icon. i'm still missing that. Aug 12 16:26:18 i wonder if i have a patch that killed it Aug 12 16:26:35 craftsman: i'm full of neat ideas ;) https://www.pivotaltracker.com/projects/486337/stories Aug 12 16:26:50 (not all mine, lots are though) Aug 12 16:27:28 ShiftyAxel: apparently my main pad has the patch that allows 8 icons on the quicklaunch, and kills the launcher button. your size adjustment patches work -great- with that. i'd like to be able to put more icons on the QL :) Aug 12 16:28:01 OpenLuna Aug 12 16:28:03 good to hear, I envisioned that but didn't think about the QL patches. good to hear people are seeing what i'm thinking of already! Aug 12 16:28:52 PortmanLuna (play on pacman, heh heh) Aug 12 16:28:55 ShiftyAxel: there's almost def space for a ninth icon in portrait after your patch Aug 12 16:29:06 sounds crowded... Aug 12 16:29:08 Natalie Aug 12 16:29:11 yes the space is there Aug 12 16:29:34 Also I had seen a video thaynshowe Aug 12 16:29:36 it looks a little crowded in portrait, but that's probably because i'm used to having only 5 showing in portrait even though i have 8 in the bar Aug 12 16:30:21 ah :P Aug 12 16:30:33 yeah, i rewrote the QL to have more intelligent size calculation Aug 12 16:30:52 it knows where the button is, eventually i'd really like the button to be movable Aug 12 16:31:08 so you could have it on the left, right or in the center if you wanted Aug 12 16:31:23 mornin Aug 12 16:31:51 morning HaDAk, we have a release! Aug 12 16:32:00 woops, I had seen a video where the open apps would become small and go to the left side of the screen. They could be scrolled up and down and opened. Similar to ICS. Is that planed? Aug 12 16:32:05 a release! Aug 12 16:32:14 bugs in the bug tracker, help and comments in the channel and on the thread. have fun ;) Aug 12 16:32:16 tell me more! i haven't been paying much attention to -anything- lately Aug 12 16:32:19 LivingLuna (sticks it to all those who thought webOS is dead, they have to write the word Living in their articles, heh heh) Aug 12 16:32:54 HaDAk: https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/234648639618830336 Aug 12 16:33:08 http://t.co/ZY7MrUHE Aug 12 16:33:54 is there a changelog? Aug 12 16:34:16 woot, I have 4 available luna tweaks. which one should i test? Aug 12 16:34:27 ALL OF THEM Aug 12 16:34:38 lol Aug 12 16:34:47 HaDAk: it's in the package description in Preware Aug 12 16:35:14 HaDAk: for a more technical list, see here: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/commits/features Aug 12 16:36:54 Not sure if anything is happening without a reboot. enabled slide gestures looks the same. what is supposed to do? Aug 12 16:37:22 try the upswipe gesture Aug 12 16:37:29 but keep your finger on the screen instead of releasing it Aug 12 16:40:32 Ok. NO reboot. Enable slide gesture inside Audubon app, lets me scroll down the page which lists the facts about the tree. Without slide gesture, the page bounces up and down but does not scrooll Aug 12 16:40:32 * HaDAk grumbles Aug 12 16:40:38 ok, where's the alpha testing feed? -.- Aug 12 16:40:57 oh balls Aug 12 16:40:58 ignore me Aug 12 16:41:18 bluen: Audubon? Aug 12 16:42:11 Audubon Trees app Aug 12 16:42:32 is this related to Uber? Aug 12 16:43:11 @ShiftyAxel So I nuked that LunaSysMgr.install file, nuked all of Tweaks, removed Uber, restarted Luna, reinstalled Uber, restarted Luna again, installed Tweaks and it still crashes Aug 12 16:43:12 :( Aug 12 16:43:29 no i was wrong sorry Aug 12 16:43:41 Vistaus: not good, do you get the version text in the status bar? Aug 12 16:43:48 nope Aug 12 16:44:00 in that case you don't have Uber Aug 12 16:44:05 it's failing to install Aug 12 16:44:11 But Preware says that Uber isinstalled Aug 12 16:44:34 doesn't mean the event.d script to swap stock for uber on restart worked correctly Aug 12 16:44:46 hmm how can I fix that? Aug 12 16:44:54 have you tried a total reboot after installing uber? Aug 12 16:44:58 yup Aug 12 16:45:04 no difference Aug 12 16:46:14 hrm Aug 12 16:46:24 https://plus.google.com/107513224513265618158/posts/4M9oNop2ncw Aug 12 16:46:25 there ya go Aug 12 16:46:26 :P Aug 12 16:46:46 try running 'stop LunaSysMgr' then 'start LunaSysMgr' from novaterm, tell me if it pauses on the pre-start stage (it will output to commandline) Aug 12 16:46:58 k will try that Aug 12 16:46:58 HaDAk: Aug 12 16:46:59 This post could not be found. Aug 12 16:46:59 Your URL may be incorrect, the post may have been deleted, or this account may not have access to the post. Aug 12 16:47:02 FAIL Aug 12 16:47:07 I did not do reboot and no difference (had tweaks and uber already installed before I did uberluna). so I think I need to reboot now and try. Aug 12 16:47:12 ohh Aug 12 16:47:13 hum Aug 12 16:47:18 hey shifty, this is odd Aug 12 16:47:42 HaDAk: sup? Aug 12 16:47:45 i had a custom compiled luna installed, so it bitched about installing the new one. i installed the palm luna from preware, restarted luna, then tried to install the custom one again Aug 12 16:47:51 and it's still bitching about a custom luna Aug 12 16:48:00 @ShiftyAxel http://pastebin.com/8z6Pxiag Aug 12 16:48:20 HaDAk: try a full reboot after installing recovery Aug 12 16:48:43 Vistaus: that doesn't help, I need to know if it paused for a short time during pre-start from 'start LunaSysMgr' Aug 12 16:48:47 i'll give it a shot. Aug 12 16:48:51 @ShiftyAxel Wait a sec, after invoking those 2 commands the status bar finally shows Uberlunah Aug 12 16:49:03 it didn't pause for a short time Aug 12 16:49:04 you should be okay now then Aug 12 16:49:45 hmm, still weird then what the issue was... will try tweaks again, see if it still crashes Aug 12 16:50:05 @ShiftyAxel Okay, Tweaks still crashes Aug 12 16:50:23 Vistaus: doctor doctor, gimme a cure... Aug 12 16:50:39 meh :( Aug 12 16:51:15 can't I change the Uberlunah settings manually somehow? Aug 12 16:52:22 ShiftyAxel: full reboot did the trick. Aug 12 16:53:50 HaDAk: woot, enjoy! Aug 12 16:53:54 woah full reboot and it immediately comes up with uberlunah 4.0, how cool is that! no patches are installed Aug 12 16:53:55 :) Aug 12 16:54:06 Vistaus: you can do it by luna-send, but you'll have to ask EricBlade about that Aug 12 16:54:35 Vistaus: and you gotta ask yourself, are you really okay with your TP crashing for an unknown reason? do ya feel lucky? Aug 12 16:54:58 see search in top bar too Aug 12 16:55:21 @ShiftyAxel Well, everything works, litteraly everything except for Tweaks so... Aug 12 16:55:52 * HaDAk is confused Aug 12 16:56:08 HaDAk: wagawan? Aug 12 16:56:23 using search in top bar automatically minimizes current card and brings me to another card with just type choices, cool Aug 12 16:56:29 i enabled all the tweaks and restarted luna, but i don't see what the big deal is. all the custom stuff that i was using (and enjoying the living hell out of) is gone. Aug 12 16:56:41 i'm rebooting. Aug 12 16:57:31 does this include the card switching enhancements here? webosnation.com/tabbed-card-stacks-infinite-card-view-and-additional-keyboard-layouts-happening-thanks-webos-communi Aug 12 16:58:19 EricBlade1: can you remember the luna-send to change prefs? Aug 12 16:58:50 HaDAk: the features list is in the Preware package description, dukie's patches didn't make it in, neither did sandgorgon's Aug 12 16:59:02 they'll be done when dukie's done Aug 12 16:59:31 ok. i'm still not seeing any search thing. in fact, i don't think any of these tweaks are taking effect. course, it'd be nice if i knew what i was looking for. Aug 12 17:01:53 HaDAk: search icon should appear in the status bar, gesture stuff isn't visible, same w/status bar Aug 12 17:02:10 then something isn't working. Aug 12 17:02:11 you might have to rotate the screen to make the search icon show up Aug 12 17:02:34 still doesn't show up. Aug 12 17:02:38 how can i test the gesture stuff? Aug 12 17:02:45 and what am i looking for with the status bar? Aug 12 17:05:20 there should be a little magnifying glass symbol to the left of your notifications Aug 12 17:05:31 nope. Aug 12 17:05:34 also, there should be the version string smack dab in the middle of the status bar Aug 12 17:05:40 there's a version string Aug 12 17:05:45 but no magnifying glass Aug 12 17:05:51 and gestures will now trigger without your finger leaving the screen Aug 12 17:05:56 after 15px movement Aug 12 17:06:14 they don't Aug 12 17:06:36 testing by swiping up from the bottom Aug 12 17:06:48 Ok app slide gesture works to do full card switch between apps. One finger swipe impt. If use 3 fingers like ipad, switch to quick office app in the my accounts page will ask me if i want to delete a doc Aug 12 17:07:46 it looks like the tweaks aren't working for me ShiftyAxel Aug 12 17:08:16 HaDAk: did you have old versions of the .json files on your device when you installed Uber? Aug 12 17:08:27 * HaDAk shrugs Aug 12 17:08:32 where would i find em? Aug 12 17:08:35 bluen: multitouch gestures aren't implimented yet..? Aug 12 17:08:57 HaDAk: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/org.webosinternals.tweaks.prefs/preferences/*.json Aug 12 17:09:54 i'm going to delete them, reinstall the palm lsm, reinstall the woce lsm, and try to re-enable them. Aug 12 17:10:10 also noticing my finger needs to start from black area outside the screen, esp with photo app Aug 12 17:10:17 HaDAk: good plan Aug 12 17:10:24 bluen: yes, they're bezel swipes Aug 12 17:13:44 I think livingluna is not a bad choice for a name as it conveys forward movement Aug 12 17:15:36 ShiftyAxel: removed the json files, reinstalled palm lsm, reinstalled woce lsm, opened tweaks and saw all the tweaks enabled -- disabled them, restarted luna via tweaks. opened tweaks, enabled them, restarted luna via tweaks. still, the tweaks are not taking effect. Aug 12 17:15:58 i'm rebooting now Aug 12 17:16:24 What repo/branch is "UberLunah" in? Aug 12 17:16:31 what is the difference in status bar between swipe and slide--looks the same to me Aug 12 17:16:34 alpha-woce Aug 12 17:16:54 (I mean git repo) Aug 12 17:17:30 pc-world: github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr features branch Aug 12 17:17:43 bluen: slide triggers after 15px movement, swipe after finger is removed Aug 12 17:17:51 ShiftyAxel: after full reboot, i've confirmed that the tweaks are still enabled...but they're not working. Aug 12 17:17:53 LunaRover Aug 12 17:17:56 i +1 this is broken. Aug 12 17:17:58 hi all. uninstalled preware, added alpha feeds, reinstalled preware, updated to 1.9.12, enabled alpha-woce, tried to install uberlunah, got ipk error. install failed. rebooting now and will try to install again. Aug 12 17:18:01 ShiftyAxel: thanks Aug 12 17:18:13 k4ever: did you have a custom lsm before? Aug 12 17:18:39 HaDak: no Aug 12 17:18:50 what does the log say about it failing? Aug 12 17:19:28 Got a problem. UberLunah wasn't behaving nicely for me (none of the advertised features would activate, even after multiple Luna and Device restarts, yes I was using Tweaks, forgot all aaccount passwords), so I thought I'd try again. Reinstalled Palm LunaSysMgr, restarted, and now I can't get in because my PIN no longer works. Aug 12 17:19:38 * tyrok notes that somehow we're down to 10 pull requests, but the only commits lately have been added binaries. What happened? Aug 12 17:20:04 Derek__: woce changed the way that pins are hashed Aug 12 17:20:13 Derek__: not an insurmountable problem :) Aug 12 17:20:17 it should have deleted it on uninstall Aug 12 17:20:49 Yeah, uh, I have one PIN unlock try before my TouchPad is wiped, so any advice would be welcomed. Aug 12 17:21:02 Derek__: don't do that? Aug 12 17:21:09 Noted. Aug 12 17:21:28 ShiftyA: thanks, not sure what you mean --is there an alternate way to describe ? Aug 12 17:21:28 Derek__: Is it still in developer mode? Aug 12 17:21:34 Derek__: do you have commandline access? Aug 12 17:21:50 bluen: slide gestures will fire after your finger has moved 15px in whatever direction Aug 12 17:21:53 I assume it is, though I'm not sure how to discern that without being able to unlock the device. Aug 12 17:21:56 -1: Unable to run command: IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/crptofs/apps /bin/sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosports.uberlunah.postinst 2>&1 Aug 12 17:21:57 Derek__: there was a patch supposed to fix that... did you get a screen advicing you to set a new PIN? Aug 12 17:22:08 bluen: swipe gestures will fire if your finger is moving at a certain speed when you take it off the screen Aug 12 17:22:13 *advising Aug 12 17:22:14 pc-world: I did. Aug 12 17:22:32 I entered the same PIN as I was using before. Aug 12 17:23:01 Device LunaSysMgr is not in factory condition, refusing to install replacement Aug 12 17:23:03 Derek__: is dev mode enabled? Then you can get command line access using novaterm Aug 12 17:23:46 k4ever: install the palm lsm, do a full system reboot Aug 12 17:23:52 k4ever: then try installing the woce lsm Aug 12 17:23:53 pc-world: Dev mode was on the last time I checked. Aug 12 17:23:59 Derek__: when you've got a terminal session to your device (you can do it through quick install via the menu) run the following and possibly reinstall: 'rm /var/luna/data/.passcode' Aug 12 17:24:04 ..i've never installed a modified LunaSysMgr before. don't know why its doing that. Aug 12 17:24:11 HaDak: ok Aug 12 17:24:20 ShiftyA: thanks. Confirmed difference between slide swipe works to switch apps w 7 cards open. If I go to search and change my mind, i cant go back without inputting search term, interesting Aug 12 17:24:21 k4ever: webOS 3.0.5? Aug 12 17:24:45 yes Aug 12 17:24:45 bluen: yeah, that's a noted issue. underlying, it's just exposed by the search icon. Aug 12 17:24:47 ShiftyAxel, Derek__: it might be better to find the reason for this so it can possibly be fixed for other users as well Aug 12 17:25:04 pc-world: already know the reason, the passcode wasn't removed on uninstall Aug 12 17:25:32 If you can find a reason, that'd be peachy. Aug 12 17:25:34 ShiftyAxel: but didn't he get the screen to enter a new PIN? that should have overwritten .passcode Aug 12 17:26:01 i installed palm lsm and rebooting now Aug 12 17:26:10 And I'm in. Thanks Shifty! Aug 12 17:26:27 welcome Derek__! Aug 12 17:26:55 I think it's because Palm LSM doesn't have the PIN deletion in it's postinst script, could someone add this to the bugtracker please? Aug 12 17:26:57 Shifty A outstanding work one last thing to test. Enable slide gestures on. what am i looking for here? Aug 12 17:27:19 bluen: upswipe, but don't take your finger off the screen Aug 12 17:27:38 it should feel more responsive if nothing else Aug 12 17:27:52 Derek__: when you create a new PIN in lock settings, are you able to unlock it then? Aug 12 17:29:00 ShiftyA; so with slide gestures enabled, card will minimize with fingers staying on screen? Is that right? When would i want to use this? Aug 12 17:29:24 SHIT. Aug 12 17:29:45 ShiftyAxel: any way i can help troubleshoot this tweaks thing? Aug 12 17:29:47 Entered a new PIN in Screen & Lock. Got told it was the wrong PIN. TouchPad restarted. Aug 12 17:29:57 And now it's Erasing itself. Aug 12 17:30:07 wtf... Aug 12 17:30:15 that's not good. Aug 12 17:30:23 No, not really. Aug 12 17:30:25 ok, that worked! wonder why i had to install palm lsm first... maybe due to patching? Aug 12 17:30:35 bluen: it'll still only trigger on the edge… it's made that way to be more responsive and faster Aug 12 17:30:53 Derek__: You have backups? Aug 12 17:31:06 I don't think I had anything vital on there. Aug 12 17:31:18 Here's hoping Palm's backup servers are working properly... Aug 12 17:32:07 Derek__: They've saved my tail on my phone before, so I would be surprised if there were working poorly. Aug 12 17:32:53 ok, got a message that a pin is required. saw some of Derek_ comments. what do i do? Aug 12 17:33:07 tyrok: Same here, though since the last time I had to rely on a full restore those servers have gone offline at least three times. Aug 12 17:33:42 k4ever: the message that advises you to create a new PIN? Aug 12 17:33:48 with the three buttons? Aug 12 17:34:06 pc-world: yes Aug 12 17:34:31 k4ever: can't remember anymore... can you select not to enter a new PIN? Aug 12 17:35:27 This erasing takes a while. Aug 12 17:35:33 pc-world: you can select "New Pin", "New Password", or "Cancel". cancel takes you back to the look screen. Aug 12 17:35:38 shiftyA: once I played with slide gestures, it did not seem like there was any difference anymore with status bar item trigger whether slide or swipe, versus earlier before I played with was definite difference Aug 12 17:37:17 k4ever: I'd try New PIN - Once you're in webOS lock the screen and see if you can get in. If it says wrong PIN, don't do anything and tell us [everything at your own risk, of course] Aug 12 17:37:35 (I had no issues with that) Aug 12 17:37:45 tyrok documentation merged Aug 12 17:37:52 pc-world: did that and i'm in now. looking at tweaks for the goodies Aug 12 17:38:03 pc-world, your patch is in. Aug 12 17:38:16 wait sorry, i have to have enable slide gestures on and also status bar item trigger slide? Aug 12 17:38:24 ka6sox-away: I know... but for a while now, I think :) Aug 12 17:38:33 yes Aug 12 17:38:37 been in for a while Aug 12 17:38:47 bluen: status bar slide is independent Aug 12 17:38:56 be sure to note if you have the same luck with gestures as me -.- Aug 12 17:38:56 ka6sox-away: Awesome. So...we just went down 6 pull requests. Were all of them merged in? Aug 12 17:38:59 tweaks* Aug 12 17:39:12 what's that status bar at all? Aug 12 17:39:23 or the one in the upper right corner? Aug 12 17:39:31 tyrok there are some that are conflicting...need to be reworked a bit Aug 12 17:39:32 tyrok: yes, all manually merged as part of the Uber release Aug 12 17:39:33 not much Aug 12 17:39:52 Ah. Gotcha. I was wondering where they were all going. Aug 12 17:40:19 Well, very cool. Since that was "master" from my repo, do I need to do anything different the next time I commit code? Aug 12 17:40:21 pc-world: status bar slide basically makes stuff like app menu, system menu, notifications & search trigger after a 15px slide instead of a swipe Aug 12 17:40:47 tyrok: if you're working on features, 'git pull', 'git checkout features' Aug 12 17:41:21 when i enable a function in tweaks i get an error: Unknown Service Error..Configuration could not be saved since the service returned an error! Aug 12 17:41:28 ShiftyA: ok thanks. both worked. To be honest, I think one of the choices should be picked as default and taught to users, otherwise too much granularity, very subtle but causes confusion. Aug 12 17:41:40 ShiftyAxel: what's the difference here between "swipe" and "slide"? Aug 12 17:41:46 see what i mean Aug 12 17:41:56 @EricBlade1 How do you set something in Tweaks via luna-send ? Aug 12 17:42:12 pc-world: it triggers stuff after a 15px slide instead of a swipe Aug 12 17:42:38 Incredibly awesome work, I am amazed at webs-ports. Will start adding patches and see if anything changes Aug 12 17:43:12 bluen: should work fine with patches, i have a whole bunch installed on my TP with no issue, though apparently it compilents the quicklaunch patches nicely Aug 12 17:44:22 are there only 4 tweaks so far? Aug 12 17:44:31 k4ever: correct Aug 12 17:44:54 Is the reason we need to enter new account passwords that they've changed encryption for that as well? Aug 12 17:45:03 k4ever: it seems Aug 12 17:47:09 cool. Aug 12 17:47:34 everybody working? Aug 12 17:48:28 Still erasing. Aug 12 17:48:28 mine is working fine. getting used to the new app switching gestures. Aug 12 17:48:47 great. can't wait until mine works. :) Aug 12 17:48:57 the switches are fast. smooth as silk. Aug 12 17:49:09 ShiftyA: Ok adding patches now. If we had name livingluna all over the internet, it might be cool Aug 12 17:49:27 if ya'll can help me get it working, i'd be happy to make a video. Aug 12 17:49:55 nope fail install . not in factory condition Aug 12 17:50:19 k4ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNIYO9oXS2c Aug 12 17:50:35 bluen, there is too much naming intertia...that battle is over. Aug 12 17:50:50 micro-tech: install Palm LunaSysMgr, try again Aug 12 17:51:09 Which commit is the current Preware build of woce? Aug 12 17:51:10 bluen: I think it's either goanna be 'UberLuna' or 'LunaSysMgr CE' from here, probably the former Aug 12 17:51:33 I like the latter Aug 12 17:51:58 did one will try again Aug 12 17:52:11 the woce team leader has spoke :D Aug 12 17:53:00 micro-tech: make sure to issue a full reboot after each Aug 12 17:53:03 he has Aug 12 17:53:24 yup Aug 12 17:53:29 Id say so Aug 12 17:55:26 what branch should I take to send a new pull-request? features or alpha-testing? Aug 12 17:55:45 for? Aug 12 17:55:53 new keyboard layouts Aug 12 17:56:05 * ka6sox-away looks @ ShiftyAxel Aug 12 17:56:30 * ShiftyAxel chealrs his throat in an official-sounding manner Aug 12 17:56:35 that'd be features Aug 12 17:56:43 s/chlears/clears/ Aug 12 17:56:45 https://github.com/lunohod/LunaSysMgr/commits/kbd_features Aug 12 17:57:04 top three commits Aug 12 17:57:20 is there a UK keyboard separate from US, or are they identical? Aug 12 17:58:15 Coming up: getting a quick launch patch, looks great Aug 12 17:58:53 interesting with DR Seuss app. no search item appears, although search reappears when i slide to another app like gemini Aug 12 18:01:09 LunohoD: can't we just run the keyboard patch to add the arrows back? noticed mine were gone after installing uberlunah Aug 12 18:01:15 curious, what kind of app is it? emulated? Aug 12 18:01:43 k4ever: you mean that old json patch? Aug 12 18:01:49 it won't work any more Aug 12 18:02:47 ouch! i used that more than any other patch. Aug 12 18:03:14 hope there is a fix for that quickly. Aug 12 18:03:34 k4ever: if my patch will be accepted, you'll get the arrows with the next uberlunah Aug 12 18:04:04 LunohoD: i can see about merging it if you answer my question ;) Aug 12 18:04:14 LunohoD: thank you! will it be built in to uberlunah? Aug 12 18:04:22 ShiftyA: Dr Seuss Cat in Hat app do you mean? It does implement swipe inside app to turn pages. Does not interfere with yours, only thing is just type search bar does not appear on top Aug 12 18:04:24 LunohoD: I think arrow keys should be optional... configurable with via Tweaks or something Aug 12 18:04:48 ShiftyAxel: I haven't seen any UK related files Aug 12 18:05:08 ShiftyAxel: "ua" != "uk", just saying ;) Aug 12 18:05:15 LunohoD: cool, pull against features and i'll give it a test Aug 12 18:06:22 ShiftyAxel: I already sent a pull-request 5 minutes ago Aug 12 18:06:34 LunohoD: sweet, i'll test it and see how I go Aug 12 18:06:45 how do i remove the "UberLunah 4.0.0 by WebOS Ports" that appears at the top of the screen? it looks weird and jumbled when a notification with text slides by it. (no offense guys!) Aug 12 18:06:49 ShiftyAxel: thanks Aug 12 18:08:23 ..also the date on the lock screen sits right on top of it. Aug 12 18:08:46 i'm inclined to agree strongly with k4ever Aug 12 18:09:30 k4ever, HaDAk: yeah, we're aware of this Aug 12 18:09:41 there is a reason for it though, sorry for the inconvenience Aug 12 18:09:44 @k4ever Disable Lock Screen = Problem Solved :) Aug 12 18:10:07 ShiftyAxel: still no tweaks for me, btw. Aug 12 18:10:08 LunohoD: building now, looking forward to arrows and the like :D Aug 12 18:10:35 LunohoD: is there any chance you could add arrows to mans andersson's new DVORAK layouts? Aug 12 18:10:41 back took two reinstall to get uberluncker to install Aug 12 18:11:08 i've not heard that name before Aug 12 18:11:21 Sledge007: i've got to keep it locked. i take it to work with me everyday. don't want prying eyes looking at my stuff. i also have a teenager who i don't want on the web at certain times. Aug 12 18:12:29 i understand if you guys need to leave it there. maybe fade it out a little more or shorten it? Aug 12 18:13:24 did you guys fix some bugs from the old Luna? Aug 12 18:13:26 k4ever: noted, we'll see what we can do Aug 12 18:13:46 LSM-CE was a newer build than the 3.0.5 luna, so it runs faster Aug 12 18:14:14 Sledge007: how to disable the lock screen?! Aug 12 18:15:04 ShiftyAxel: nice! i can tell. i also noticed that advanced browser in Glimpse works better with this build! definite plus. Aug 12 18:15:26 and ofc all the cool features we made ;) Aug 12 18:16:45 :) Aug 12 18:18:02 pc-world: that would be nice, but it's not easy to do right now Aug 12 18:18:05 LunohoD: keyboard patches look good, I don't have any way to change them about atm though because of my broken regional settings app Aug 12 18:18:25 ShiftyAxel: yes, I could add the arrows to each layout if you want Aug 12 18:18:31 OPEN REQUEST: can someone test LunohoD's keyboard patch on the alternate layouts before I merge? Aug 12 18:18:47 LunohoD: please do, I'd like to have them available across all layouts if possible Aug 12 18:19:54 ok, stuff on this is noticably faster! good work guys/gals! time for me to donate! Aug 12 18:20:02 @pcworld it's a patch in preware. just disabled the screenlock screen. I guess @k4ever is talking about the PIN lock screen. I never use it personally. Aug 12 18:20:53 I'll check out the new code and play around with it Aug 12 18:21:03 yes, pin lock screen. Aug 12 18:34:06 ShiftyAxel: pull_request is updated Aug 12 18:34:22 pin screenlock hashes are different between 3.0.5 TP and WOCE LunaSysmgr-CE Aug 12 18:34:31 and incompativle Aug 12 18:34:46 s/incompativle/incompatible/ Aug 12 18:34:46 ka6sox-away meant: and incompatible Aug 12 18:39:56 just donated! keep up the good work guys/gals! hope to see the keyboard arrows back soon... Aug 12 18:41:00 LunohoD: just checking out your pull again now Aug 12 18:45:03 Derek__, in all fairness, before one embarks on using Alpha Release they should have things backed up before proceeding. Aug 12 19:01:01 anyone else having trouble with sound. skype works but not music or movies, usual trick like testing skype or pulse audio restarter does not work , will reboot as soon as i reinstall one of the reboot patches Aug 12 19:04:29 bluen: hmm, sound works for me Aug 12 19:04:42 bluen: does sound works in PDK apps? Aug 12 19:05:04 bluen, my mp3 collection plays fine Aug 12 19:05:19 *work Aug 12 19:08:52 restart fixed it. whoa have new splash screen for app cat Aug 12 19:11:26 texting w tts pre3 and touchpad works Aug 12 19:14:10 Touchplayer works. Touchplayer w Bhome does not work. Kalemsoft with Bhome works. Wifi file sharing works Aug 12 19:16:11 confirmed on lunasys bhome works with touchplayer but on touchpad with uberluna bhome and touchplayer are not working Aug 12 19:19:44 bluen, can you start a wikipage with table of what works and what doesn't? Aug 12 19:20:31 great idea. fine to do so if someone points me to instructions of how to start a wikipage Aug 12 19:21:18 someone put up a webpage for mountain lion which listed a bunch of apps and whether they worked or not and then people could write in their test comments on the right hand side to confirm. if we can do it this way would be easy Aug 12 19:22:15 continuing thread that wifi player works--works on mac and also tv, woot, I can see Russian Touchpad from my house. Aug 12 19:22:27 * EricBlade1 echos k4ever . banners are a problem Aug 12 19:27:18 bluen, just put up a list...we can get someone to pretty it up Aug 12 19:27:29 after each entry
on the same line Aug 12 19:30:49 or, better, start lists with an asterisk,
should be avoided in MediaWiki ;) Aug 12 19:30:59 *start each line with an asterisk for a list Aug 12 19:31:41 and as soon as one figures out why something is failing, the point should be converted into a bug report Aug 12 19:34:13 Ka6 If I create an account, will there be an option to add a page? Never edited a wiki before.. If not, someone pls send link with how to create a page Aug 12 19:34:33 bluen, there are good guides on wikipedia Aug 12 19:35:04 Ok will look into it as soon as I test if external USB player still works Aug 12 19:37:12 bluen, yes, give me username and we will get you able to edit Aug 12 19:37:36 bluen is fine Aug 12 19:37:45 you create it..I promote it Aug 12 19:37:52 I'd suggest something like "WOCE regression table" as a title ;) (http://webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_regression_table) Aug 12 19:38:20 pc-world, please start that and bluen can edit Aug 12 19:38:37 ka6sox: the table? Aug 12 19:38:46 ya Aug 12 19:39:05 it's been a while since I was active in Wikipedia... but I'll try ^^ Aug 12 19:39:19 * ka6sox has confidence Aug 12 19:39:56 if not, i will fix :P Aug 12 19:40:55 heh Aug 12 19:41:00 :) Aug 12 19:41:43 give me a few minutes :P Aug 12 19:42:02 ok created account Aug 12 19:42:19 scoutcamper, go ahead an promote him please? Aug 12 19:43:11 s/go ahead an/can you/ Aug 12 19:43:12 ka6sox meant: scoutcamper, can you promote him please? Aug 12 19:43:37 scoutcamper is wikimeister... Aug 12 19:44:52 bluen, promoted Aug 12 19:44:55 should we create some columns in this table--4 columns for each of the tweaks and Y or N in each if works Aug 12 19:45:05 * scoutcamper just discoverd his ultrabook can play BF3 Aug 12 19:45:18 for instance Dr Seuss does not show top bar search but will switch to other apps Aug 12 19:45:47 add a notes column too? Aug 12 19:46:22 bluen: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_regression_table Aug 12 19:46:33 pc-world, thanks! Aug 12 19:46:36 is there a bug tracker template in the wiki yet? Aug 12 19:46:52 no, good idea pc-world Aug 12 19:49:48 next time someone sees dukiedrew, please tell him to setup his text editor with tab characters instead of spaces Aug 12 19:49:57 * ShiftyAxel is not having fun fixing that during merge Aug 12 19:50:04 spaces ftw Aug 12 19:50:24 whitespace is always an issue Aug 12 19:50:44 ALWAYS Aug 12 19:51:39 if git was smart, it wasn't an issue :P Aug 12 19:52:02 lol Aug 12 19:53:26 nice pc-world, looked at Dr seuss in stock and does not show top bar so I assume this is just par for the course--in other words if app doesnt show top bar in stock, wont show top bar in uberluna Aug 12 19:55:55 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Template:Bugtracker Aug 12 19:56:41 #who Aug 12 19:58:31 Hi, did anyone else have issues installing ipks (attached to mails I.e.) with LunaWoce? Aug 12 19:59:12 no issues here? Aug 12 19:59:22 preware starts, the ipks link appears very short and disappears. thus you won't be able to instal Aug 12 20:06:03 LinuxQ: that's another underlying issue in the code from HP, a temporary workaround is the 'browse' button Aug 12 20:07:15 "browse button" ? Aug 12 20:07:52 yes, open an IPK from preware again Aug 12 20:08:00 observe the 3 buttons in the following screen Aug 12 20:08:13 install, get info and browse Aug 12 20:08:50 bluen: added some example lines and an introduction, feel free to extend the table with issues you've found :) http://webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_regression_table Aug 12 20:10:03 ok, I have a "durchsuchen" button in my german translation ;) Aug 12 20:10:28 ah, fair enough :) Aug 12 20:11:15 scoutcamper: I don't have permissions to use the search in wiki... :-/ probably another "human" group issue? Aug 12 20:12:01 scout^^ Aug 12 20:12:11 pc-world, probably... Aug 12 20:13:17 search also doesn't work for anonymous users Aug 12 20:14:41 as I can't search, is there yet any page with an overview of all WOCE pages, a description of what WOCE is etc.? Aug 12 20:15:18 it would be nice if we could avoid the mess that is in the WebOS Internals wiki Aug 12 20:15:54 ka6sox, i gave bluen human Aug 12 20:16:10 scoutcamper, ty Aug 12 20:16:30 pc-world, how so? Aug 12 20:16:31 pc-world, you find all the random issues that dont affect me Aug 12 20:16:43 heh Aug 12 20:16:52 scoutcamper: lol cause you're admin? Aug 12 20:17:00 * ka6sox didn't see a superhuman group... Aug 12 20:17:02 pc-world, im never logged in. Aug 12 20:17:49 oops, sorry, I have to click that "Search" button instead of "Go" Aug 12 20:17:56 (and instead of enter) Aug 12 20:18:53 pc-world, so there is or is not an issue? Aug 12 20:19:48 scoutcamper: it is still an issue (if I search for a page that doesn't exist), I was wrong with what I wrote above Aug 12 20:19:48 when logged in, I get redirected to "WebOS-Ports:No Access" Aug 12 20:20:04 if not logged in, I get redirected to "WebOS-Ports:No anonymous" Aug 12 20:20:29 pc-world, what exactly can i do to replicate what you are seeing? Aug 12 20:22:54 scoutcamper: only happens sometimes, I'm still trying to figure out the conditions Aug 12 20:23:19 pc-world, i cant fix what i cant reproduce Aug 12 20:23:36 scoutcamper: I fail to reproduce it now too :D Aug 12 20:23:49 * scoutcamper glares at the wiki Aug 12 20:24:06 heh Aug 12 20:24:31 took forever to install usb flashmount from preware, couldnt see it, then using link from webosnation page and Shifty Axel instruction to browse did not work either. Cut and paste link from webosnation page did not work. finally opened preware and this time when i searched it appeared Aug 12 20:24:59 scoutcamper: ahh, now - only happens if I search for "woce"... is there some old page named WOCE which can only seen by team members? Aug 12 20:25:09 pc-world, likely Aug 12 20:25:18 let me look Aug 12 20:28:42 pc-world, that is odd. Aug 12 20:29:06 scoutcamper: some secret page that you don't have access to too? :P Aug 12 20:29:32 pc-world, no, there is no secret page. and i am supermasteradmin. i have access to all. Aug 12 20:33:39 scoutcamper: umm, same happens when I search for "webOS Community Edition" o.O Aug 12 20:34:05 pc world: thanks for table. So far everything works and your table is only for broken apps so I have left it blank Aug 12 20:34:43 pc-world, webOS Community Edition is fixed Aug 12 20:34:54 confirmed usb otg works, am playing recording from sd card in external usb (sd card recording was done on the tree which i use as spare recorder) Aug 12 20:35:10 scoutcamper: thanks Aug 12 20:35:54 whoops treo Aug 12 20:36:13 pc-world, woce is fixed as well Aug 12 20:36:24 your welcome :D Aug 12 20:36:33 not tree. trees are of hugging.... and climbing...but not recording Aug 12 20:36:51 bluen: np. What do you mean? There are two tables Aug 12 20:37:03 scoutcamper: what was the problem? Aug 12 20:37:22 "legacy code" Aug 12 20:37:30 what ka6sox said Aug 12 20:38:12 lol Aug 12 20:43:26 pc world: looked again and i see you now have 2 tables, both for broken things (features and apps), not for working apps Aug 12 20:44:36 bluen, everyone else: should we create a table for both working and not working things instead? Aug 12 20:44:54 (perhaps one table for broken and one for working) Aug 12 20:46:07 one table, alphabetical order, checks on patches working Aug 12 20:46:31 pc world. so far it doesnt like uberluna broke anything. Not sure how significant this is. The working apps table was used with mountain lion/lion but those had a signif changes from earlier OS of snow leopard Aug 12 20:47:00 so impt to check to see if your app worked before upgrading Aug 12 20:47:57 ka6sox: patches? Aug 12 20:48:58 sorry luna tweaks Aug 12 20:49:33 * ka6sox resists urge to use trite "treasure of the sierra madre" reference. Aug 12 20:49:59 LOL!! Aug 12 20:52:27 bluen/ka6sox: just rename the columns/page title/description how you'd like... there are now 3 views of what that table is supposed to do :D Aug 12 20:52:31 frames page in browser on particular webpage still remains in same broken state as 3.05. Is the idea that openWebOS 1.0 is the true version of the OS that will fix browser rendering? Aug 12 20:53:28 bluen: I don't think they will ever fix frames (at least normal frames, not iframes), scrolling in frames is not even working on iOS afaik Aug 12 20:53:31 bluen, we can hope! Aug 12 20:54:01 this particular webpage works in IOS, did not work on kindle fire though last time i checked Aug 12 20:55:20 bluen: iframe or these "real" frames? Aug 12 21:03:09 pc-world: dunno. thinks it is probably real frames and now checked kindle fire and it does load on stock browser (last time i checked was in Jan so looks like android got improvements). Aug 12 21:04:33 even Flash in fullscreen works in woce ^^ Aug 12 21:06:15 does the alt keyboard w/arrows need to be uninstalled to install you uber-lunah? Aug 12 21:06:52 kayphoonstar: it's probably best, though the current version contains no changes to that so for the minute you're safe Aug 12 21:07:03 btw, has anyone tried yet to compile woce for i686 (i.e. the emulator)? Aug 12 21:07:22 sh Aug 12 21:07:57 ShiftyAxel: Thanks. I'll try it then. Aug 12 21:09:53 * LarrySteeze stumbles into the room Aug 12 21:17:01 are we still on older version of flash? dailyshow does not work still (full shows do work on kindle fire, ipad by design restricts one to clips and not full shows) Aug 12 21:17:27 lets hear it for controlled content! Aug 12 21:18:02 bluen, we only changed lunasysmgr..nothing else Aug 12 21:18:13 flash is what it always has been. Aug 12 21:19:07 bluen: Adobe announced it won't update anymore any mobile versions of Flash (except for security updates) Aug 12 21:19:37 which is why adobe are LAME Aug 12 21:20:05 and why we need to somehow thieve a newer version of flash from somewhere, or replace it with an open-source alternative Aug 12 21:20:34 unless ofc HTML5 video works properly in isis, in which case we can use that since most sites seem to have an alternative these days Aug 12 21:29:40 shiftya: nice thought, lets see. Wondering if more will be done beyond replacing proprietary code Aug 12 21:29:45 ShiftyAxel: I think it's quite great that Adobe abandons Flash, that way Flash's death is sped up Aug 12 21:30:32 bluen: afaik they've changed some of the backends for easier integration of drivers Aug 12 21:30:50 bluen: though I don't think there will be much new things that an end user would notice Aug 12 21:31:15 html5 would be noticed Aug 12 21:32:26 huh? Aug 12 21:32:36 html5 works on webos... Aug 12 21:34:35 Larry: well then thedailyshow must know ios is html5 so it gives it the video snippets whereas it thinks webos is older flash so it gets nothing? Aug 12 21:35:11 bluen: if you're talking about HTML5 video, I'm not sure if that works properly in webOS Aug 12 21:36:01 (webOS only supports H.264 anyway) Aug 12 21:36:22 (though that's the case in iOS too) Aug 12 21:38:07 it feeds ios h.264 Aug 12 21:38:24 bluen: it's likely it doesn't recognize webos Aug 12 21:38:38 or does, but feeds it the old video format because it hasn't been updated Aug 12 21:38:39 my bad, the snippets are working in webOS, both lunas. Just take a really really long time to load. the full versions are not allowed Aug 12 21:38:47 bluen: you could try one of those user agent patches Aug 12 21:43:00 the video snippets work even though the message says must install adobe flash. it then goes into long spinning wheel and then video comes on. The full shows are restricted from viewing in mobile, somehow my kindle fire has gotten in Aug 12 21:43:19 dailymotion's HTML5 features don't work on webOS Aug 12 21:44:38 hmm Aug 12 21:44:44 I'm not seeing uberlunah in preware Aug 12 21:44:53 but I do see the palm binary Aug 12 21:51:48 LarrySteeze: alpha-woce enabled I guess? Aug 12 21:52:00 pc-world: I got it all set :P Aug 12 21:52:01 he solved it Aug 12 21:52:47 I've gotten so used to using terminal on my computer that I seem to have forgotten how to use preware ;-) Aug 12 21:53:40 LarrySteeze: I've often thought about a command line version of Preware, might be easier to use sometimes Aug 12 21:53:58 (like I most times use apt-get instead of Synaptic on my desktop) Aug 12 21:54:05 pc-world: if ISIS does not enable html 5 video comparable to IOS, don't see how that moves ISIS forward. People will turn away. Aug 12 21:54:25 pc-world: I'm referring to building and loading woce Aug 12 21:55:13 bluen: honestly, I don't really know why they spontaneously announced they would switch to qt webkit Aug 12 21:56:09 bluen: maybe they didn't even really consider it Aug 12 21:58:20 pc-world: to me that would be an indication that supports the theory that they are using openWebOS for tax deduction only; however, if they give a feature like html 5 that makes browser more competitive, then suggests whitman remarks that they have 4-5 yr plan for webOS Aug 12 21:58:26 is more credible Aug 12 21:59:24 bluen: what do you mean by "HTML5"? Current webOS supports "HTML5" Aug 12 21:59:32 html5 video Aug 12 21:59:43 bluen: and how would they get a tax deduction out of Open webOS? Aug 12 22:00:29 bluen: hmm, I'm not sure if it was really easier to implement HTML5 video, considering that they have to adopt a (more or less) completely new rendering engine Aug 12 22:01:47 pc-world, if mobile flash is no longer supported and if HTML5 video is not in ISIS< what is the future of the ISIS browser and open WebOS Aug 12 22:06:05 bluen: the other question is, is there even any future? Aug 12 22:07:52 What is involved with adopting the new rendering engine? If HP did not do the work, are they expecting the community or a 3rd party to do so? COuld the community adopt the new engine? Aug 12 22:08:45 bluen: if you're talking about qt webkit, that's supposed to come with Open webOS Aug 12 22:08:56 btw, who uses that strange Dvorak keyboard type? :D Aug 12 22:09:10 some do... Aug 12 22:09:12 me Aug 12 22:09:31 though not well Aug 12 22:09:49 once it's learned, it's supposed to be the fastest Aug 12 22:10:39 hmm.... Aug 12 22:11:01 I search like 5 seconds for every key :P Aug 12 22:12:42 right, but you probably did when you first started typing on a qwerty keyboard as well Aug 12 22:13:08 basically, the way the dvorak keyboard is laid out, it is supposed to minimize the amount you actually have to move your fingers Aug 12 22:13:26 the qwerty keyboard was designed for typewriters Aug 12 22:21:20 i'm goanna start using the dvorak when mans gets around to sorting his pull request Aug 12 22:27:06 I don't know how much faster dvorak will be on the screen Aug 12 22:27:18 I can hardly type on a touchscreen, regardless Aug 12 22:27:25 hands are too big Aug 12 22:27:44 which, by the way, is kind of funny, because my hands aren't that big Aug 12 22:30:11 what we need is dukiedrew's keyboard hysteresis... Aug 12 22:45:46 LunohoD: ping? Aug 12 23:14:49 btw, has the WebOS Ports mailing list been used at all? Didn't receive a single e-mail ^^ Aug 12 23:15:51 pc-world, doesnt seem to be used, no Aug 12 23:22:58 had a lockup running f15c @ 1728 - dropped it to 1512. Still seems snappier. fwiw, locked up closing preware. Aug 12 23:26:39 where should we keep track of user reports of apps not working anymore? Like this one http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/317427-uberlunah-4-x-2.html#post3344077, where a user reports Graphite has some issues Aug 12 23:26:39 I think we should collect these issues somewhere so we can look how they're related to woce - not sure if the bugtracker / project "LunaSysMgr" is the right place Aug 12 23:27:37 wiki page? Aug 12 23:28:24 huh, I can verify that issue, actually Aug 12 23:28:33 I thought it was just my main tablet being derpy Aug 12 23:28:41 I will have to look at that Graphite issue later Aug 12 23:28:58 I got IPKG error , said my luna was moded so I installed the palm one Aug 12 23:29:15 ShiftyAxel: yeah, but I'm not sure if that's the best place, since commenting etc. isn't as easy as on the bugtracker Aug 12 23:29:55 I think issues.webos-ports is the best place for things like that Aug 12 23:30:20 i'd say bugtracker, allows for easier discussion Aug 12 23:30:27 Damnit still getting that IPKG error when installing uberlunah... says my luna is not factory Aug 12 23:30:56 ka6sox: That should only be based off of the md5sums, correct? ^^ Aug 12 23:31:15 kill_dano: install the recovery lsm, then install uber Aug 12 23:31:39 kill_dano: i had to uninstall the keyboard patch. then install went fine. Aug 12 23:31:46 oh Aug 12 23:31:52 yeah I got's that keyboard patch Aug 12 23:31:56 :( Aug 12 23:32:05 aha Aug 12 23:32:24 that should be documented somewhere; we should probably have people removing ALL their patches before install, just to be sure it works Aug 12 23:32:51 the luna reinstall overwrote it, anyhow Aug 12 23:33:54 it will ONLY install on a unpatched Luna Aug 12 23:34:03 its smart like that Aug 12 23:34:07 AUSMT Aug 12 23:34:14 good good Aug 12 23:34:50 keyboard patch was the only one I had that had patched luna, afaik. Aug 12 23:34:56 I just had to do a full restart after replacing luna... preware only asks for luna restart. I didn;t have to do in and manually remove the leyboard hack Aug 12 23:35:03 keyboard* Aug 12 23:35:19 created a ticket for that Graphite issue: http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/47 Aug 12 23:35:28 pc-world: thanks Aug 12 23:35:37 we're fixing the full restart in the next version Aug 12 23:37:42 re: graphite issue - I think it's similar to preware not keeping an *.ipk link when opening from internalz. Aug 12 23:38:06 ah, underlying system issue Aug 12 23:38:08 Yeah, I just added that to the issue Aug 12 23:38:12 need to fix that... Aug 12 23:40:25 Ah, the IPK thing was already reported in issues/43 Aug 12 23:41:09 Why did someone in http://webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_build_Instructions#Installing_the_Binaries replace "start LunaSysMgr" with a full reboot? Just restarting Luna worked fine for me a few weeks ago Aug 12 23:42:01 pc-world: My tablet entered a never ending loop when I first installed LSM and I had to reboot it to make it work Aug 12 23:42:03 rrix: I guess then #47 is a duplicate of #43? (if those bugs are actually related) Aug 12 23:42:10 pc-world: related but not duplicate Aug 12 23:42:23 pc-world: so I added the reboot just to be safe. No reason not to have it Aug 12 23:42:33 rrix: there is a reason, it costs time :P Aug 12 23:42:56 Except for the whole greybeard cockery about uptime Aug 12 23:43:01 rrix: okay, I think if we find the underlying issue and it's the same then we can mark it as duplicate Aug 12 23:43:08 pc-world: getting from boot to LSM is like 15 seconds on my tablet... Aug 12 23:43:18 pc-world: ok Aug 12 23:45:02 morning bluen Aug 12 23:46:42 So I have turned luna stuff on in tweaks Aug 12 23:46:47 but nothing seems to have changed Aug 12 23:46:53 did a full restart twice Aug 12 23:48:52 oops... old version of tweaks Aug 12 23:50:51 :) Aug 12 23:52:58 What does "status bar item trigger" do? I have slide or swipe Aug 12 23:53:46 kill_dano: I haven't understand the difference of those yet... I tried both, and neither of them seem to change anything compared to stock 3.0.5 Luna Aug 12 23:54:39 Theyre just different gesture detecting algorithms, iirc Aug 12 23:55:51 Is stacked card tabs available in this release? Aug 13 00:01:08 kill_dano: no, but if it is the same as "dukiedrew's Tabbed Cards", then it will probably be available in the next alpha release Aug 13 00:01:20 kill_dano: slide triggers after your finger has moved 15px in a given direction, swipe detects finger speed and triggers if it's above a certain threshold and your finger leaves the screen Aug 13 00:01:32 and no, card tabs are not available yet Aug 13 00:01:44 stacks are, but dukie's tabs aren't in until the next release Aug 13 00:03:26 Thanks for the info Aug 13 00:03:37 Everything seems to work great for me. Aug 13 00:05:49 welcome :) Aug 13 00:05:57 finally, websites don't scroll with a bezzle swipe Aug 13 00:06:36 cool, huh? Aug 13 00:06:45 cards don't 'snap' if you drag up from under them anymore either Aug 13 00:07:01 we tweaked bits of the UI like that to make the whole experience smoother Aug 13 00:07:06 kill_dano: yay :) I'm really wondering why HP couldn't do that Aug 13 00:08:23 because they had other priorities, and Leo Aug 13 00:08:30 :P Aug 13 00:09:09 this just makes me hate my pre 3 even more... webos 3 seems so light a smooth. webos 2 is a hog Aug 13 00:09:33 yeah, it is a shame Aug 13 00:09:42 pc-world: it probably wasn't on their list of things to do. I like open source because you can fix things that others would consider not worth the time to spend money on. Aug 13 00:16:56 by others I mean corporation with a bottom line that Aug 13 00:18:03 ..is just about making money. Aug 13 00:29:01 Hello Aug 13 00:29:23 morning pizzaboy192 Aug 13 00:29:38 Is there a list of things that are added to UberLunah? Aug 13 00:30:04 yep, in the package description in Preware Aug 13 00:30:26 rwhitby is correct Aug 13 00:30:41 ah... any explanation for them? Like what sort of gesutre switches apps? Aug 13 00:30:56 swipe in from the left or right bezel Aug 13 00:31:19 and what if it doesn't work =( Aug 13 00:31:33 do you have the version number at the top of the screen? Aug 13 00:31:40 pizzaboy192: you have to enable it in Tweaks (v3) Aug 13 00:31:44 the 'UberLuna by WebOS Ports'? Aug 13 00:31:49 yeah, that too Aug 13 00:32:14 "Uberlunah 4.0.0 by WebOS Ports" Aug 13 00:33:35 One or two finger swype? Aug 13 00:33:42 pizzaboy192: one Aug 13 00:33:52 pizzaboy192: did you enable the gesture in Tweaks? Aug 13 00:34:06 yup, restarting Luna just to make sure it is enabled Aug 13 00:34:43 pizzaboy192: iirc some users reported they needed to do a full reboot Aug 13 00:35:02 that's not necessary if the version text is displaying Aug 13 00:35:16 restarting luna is not required for the tweaks either, version 3.0.x of tweaks is however Aug 13 00:35:19 Didn't work after a luna restart. Doing a full reboot Aug 13 00:35:45 pizzabout192 wait Aug 13 00:36:04 pazzaboy192: did you install the NEWEST version of tweaks from the alpha feed? Aug 13 00:36:51 ShiftyAxel: wow, cool, didn't know they even apply without a Luna rebot Aug 13 00:36:53 *reboot Aug 13 00:37:56 pc-world: they do Aug 13 00:38:08 LarrySteeze: yeah, I just tried Aug 13 00:38:30 pc-world: In fact, they're pretty immediate. Aug 13 00:38:57 that's the beauty of releasing your own version of LSM Aug 13 00:39:11 Didn't install the latest Tweaks. I'll do that now Aug 13 00:39:31 is it normal for it to forget all my passwords? Aug 13 00:40:34 yeah Aug 13 00:40:46 the hashing is different between 3.0.5 and Uber Aug 13 00:41:19 okay Aug 13 00:41:29 * pizzaboy192 adds ALL my passwords back Aug 13 00:41:51 did they change the encryption algorithm for account passwords as well, or what's the reason for this? Aug 13 00:42:40 they did Aug 13 00:42:58 I believe it's because they had to convert all the code to being non-proprietary and open-source Aug 13 00:43:07 looks like I have to remove all accounts Aug 13 00:43:10 and then re-add them Aug 13 00:43:21 it's throwing "Unknown Error" when I try to just add passwords Aug 13 00:45:07 pc-world1, yes, hash changed. Aug 13 00:45:22 necessary due to export restrictions. Aug 13 00:45:32 ka6sox: well, I don't think it's a hash but an encrypted password Aug 13 00:45:51 can't find the new Tweaks 3 Aug 13 00:45:56 just have the 1.8 one Aug 13 00:46:22 pizzaboy192: you have all alpha feeds enabled? Aug 13 00:46:28 all but kernels Aug 13 00:46:34 pc-world1, they all need to be re-entered Aug 13 00:46:47 ka6sox: I didn't say something else ;) Aug 13 00:47:06 whoops? Aug 13 00:47:09 wb Aug 13 00:47:14 welcome back Aug 13 00:47:33 wb Aug 13 00:47:37 pc-world, the password issue is something we can't solve :( Aug 13 00:47:52 still only seeing Tweaks 1.8.5 ... Aug 13 00:47:53 that and pins are not transferrable. Aug 13 00:48:22 ka6sox: again, I just asked if the encryption methods changed for them as well ;) Aug 13 00:48:23 and I know about these PINs, since I wrote the patch to detect the old PIN format Aug 13 00:49:25 yes, we have it in Aug 13 00:49:37 we sure do Aug 13 00:49:48 can I get the new Tweaks from the WebOSQuickInstall? Aug 13 00:50:00 pizzaboy192: not easily, just use Preware Aug 13 00:50:07 I looked, but it's not there. Aug 13 00:50:09 I don't think WOSQI can do alpha feeds Aug 13 00:50:10 would anyone complain if we made a Tweaks setting to disable the version strings at the top? Aug 13 00:50:17 do you have elpha and beta feeds enabled, pizzaboy192? Aug 13 00:50:21 yup Aug 13 00:50:26 i.e. would someone refuse to merge? Aug 13 00:50:43 I'd like that, or a way to shorten it to just uberLunah? Aug 13 00:51:28 pc-world: the version string is an alpha testing item Aug 13 00:51:44 pc-world: it is not intended to be there in the final version Aug 13 00:52:00 pc-world: it is there to help us debug when users have issues Aug 13 00:52:15 pc-world, we need to have a visual indication of what is being used. Aug 13 00:52:23 pc-world: we don't plan to make it configurable, it serves a purpose Aug 13 00:52:32 well, okay, I got you :-/ Aug 13 00:52:44 Still not seeing new Tweaks... Aug 13 00:52:50 am I doing sometihng wrong? Aug 13 00:53:02 pizzaboy192: I presume you have the beta apps feed enabled? Aug 13 00:53:03 pizzaboy192: do you have tweaks 3? Aug 13 00:53:14 I do not have Tweaks 3, just Tweaks available Aug 13 00:53:20 and I have all beta and alpha feeds enabled Aug 13 00:53:29 ShiftyAxel: what about "UberLunah 4.0.0" instead of the carrier string in the upper left corner? that would look prettier Aug 13 00:53:38 did you refresh the feeds? Aug 13 00:53:44 Yup, feeds refreshed Aug 13 00:54:05 could you link me to a screenshot of your feeds in preware? Aug 13 00:54:24 LarrySteeze: I guess you used the "new" instructions for enabling the testing feed, and you haven't enabled it for a year or so? Aug 13 00:54:47 Sure, one second. Aug 13 00:55:38 pc-world: I'm sorry? Aug 13 00:55:59 LarrySteeze: oops, I meant pizzaboy192 Aug 13 00:56:26 I was going to say...most of the time I just deal with ipk files not the feeds, until it's pushed :P Aug 13 00:56:31 pc-world I enabled it the way that the WebOSInternals Wiki shows Aug 13 00:56:43 The two linux commands Aug 13 00:56:48 pizzaboy192: yeah then it's fine Aug 13 00:56:48 just enabled them about 2 hours ago Aug 13 00:57:01 pizzaboy192: there should probably actually be 3 linux commands in total Aug 13 00:57:11 pizzaboy192, which version of preware did you install? Aug 13 00:57:31 LarrySteeze: there are only listed two http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds#Enabling_the_Alpha_Testing_Feeds Aug 13 00:57:33 scoutcamper: without the newest version of preware, he would not see the new OS item Aug 13 00:57:48 pc-world: you want alpha AND beta Aug 13 00:57:56 I updated preware as soon as I got the commands done Aug 13 00:58:04 I have alpha and beta enabled Aug 13 00:58:11 and between the two, there are "4 commands" but one is repeated, so it can be 3 Aug 13 00:58:22 LarrySteeze: right Aug 13 00:58:53 hrm... It looks like I don't have Beta Anymore... Aug 13 00:58:59 give me a second and I'll re-add them Aug 13 00:59:30 ok Aug 13 01:00:17 ShiftyAxel: I mean setting kDefaultCarrierName in StatusBar.cpp to "UberLunah 4.0.0" if DEBUG_VERSION is defined and removing StatusBarVersion Aug 13 01:01:03 pc-world: the next version will have layout fixes, we can't use the carrier string as the version text has to be visible all the time, not just in card view Aug 13 01:02:03 ShiftyAxel: okay, I'll just comment out #define DEBUG_VERSION in my personal builds then Aug 13 01:09:35 restarting Luna Aug 13 01:09:40 got Tweaks 3 now Aug 13 01:09:48 w00t! Aug 13 01:10:40 removing all accounts and readding them now Aug 13 01:11:10 *not all accounts. Seems just some need to be removed Aug 13 01:11:29 Box.net is one Aug 13 01:11:47 pizzaboy192: changing password of the e-mail accounts worked just fine for me, dunno about the other account types Aug 13 01:12:02 I'll just remove and re-add Aug 13 01:12:10 easier than changing password on all my other devices Aug 13 01:12:21 dropbox requires removal Aug 13 01:12:37 same with facebook Aug 13 01:12:42 pizzaboy192: well, for e-mails not, since it would have to resync all my thousands of e-mails Aug 13 01:12:57 pizzaboy192: probably all these services you mention use authentication tokens Aug 13 01:13:14 it would with mine too... but it's easier to resync on my tablet, than going to 5 systems and 3 mobile devices... Aug 13 01:13:14 (not sure if that's related however) Aug 13 01:13:25 OOH! GESTURES! Aug 13 01:13:43 pizzaboy192: with "changing password" I meant just reentering the old pw Aug 13 01:13:51 ah Aug 13 01:13:53 that wasn't working with me Aug 13 01:13:58 I didn't have to re enter any pw Aug 13 01:14:12 kayphoonstar: do things like e-mail sync properly? Aug 13 01:15:10 still getting e-mail- just checked dropbox and box. no issue. Aug 13 01:15:20 fb too. Aug 13 01:20:26 after a reboot, account manager complains again about wrong password of my e-mail accounts, e-mail hasn't synced any new mails yet :-/ Aug 13 01:21:11 pc-world: I'm having the same problem. I came back to post that also. beat me to it. Aug 13 01:21:32 box still having signin error Aug 13 01:21:51 k4ever_: I'll create a ticket... maybe I'll have a look into it tomorrow (or, well, today, after I've slept) Aug 13 01:21:57 add dropbox too Aug 13 01:22:09 I'd like those to work Aug 13 01:22:24 all my accounts are having errors. box, ako, yahoo, google, and facebook. Aug 13 01:22:52 I pulled all my accounts, they were all having issues Aug 13 01:23:03 k4ever_: that's expected - but they should at least work when you reenter the password Aug 13 01:23:19 email works fine, but everything else won't Aug 13 01:23:33 pizzaboy192: does it sync new e-mails? Aug 13 01:23:52 I can't get any of them to work. re-entered passwords a dozen times. Aug 13 01:23:58 email... does not work Aug 13 01:24:37 same Aug 13 01:24:43 something big broken Aug 13 01:24:57 =( Aug 13 01:26:00 just restarted again - all pw still there. Aug 13 01:26:39 I can do without them for a few days. just hope a fix comes soon. my Pre is working great right now with my accounts. Aug 13 01:26:59 I rarely use my tablet for communication during the summer... but I need in in 2 weeks Aug 13 01:27:51 ticket created http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/49 Aug 13 01:28:02 pizzaboy192: does e-mail not even work after you've deleted and readded the account? Aug 13 01:28:19 pc-world yup, removing, restarting, and re-adding the accounts don't fix it Aug 13 01:28:23 all 3 are exchange accounts Aug 13 01:28:39 worked up until I put UberLunah on Aug 13 01:28:47 pizzaboy192: what error message / icons etc., how do you see that they don't work? Aug 13 01:29:10 pc-world all 3 inboxes are not showing up. it shows "all inboxes" but no folders at all. Aug 13 01:29:12 no icons either Aug 13 01:29:24 pizzaboy192: and in the Accounts app? Aug 13 01:29:33 pc-world they show as normal Aug 13 01:29:38 no warning icons? Aug 13 01:29:47 nope Aug 13 01:30:02 hmm, that might be a different issue than I have now Aug 13 01:30:12 also, no warning icon in the e-mail app? Aug 13 01:30:15 restarting Aug 13 01:30:19 no issues or icons Aug 13 01:30:25 besides the fact that it won't show inboxes Aug 13 01:30:37 or any emails Aug 13 01:30:42 /var/log/messages might give you some hints Aug 13 01:32:27 rebooting gives me a pile of ! triangles Aug 13 01:33:04 bingo Aug 13 01:33:09 bingo? Aug 13 01:33:13 was his name-o? Aug 13 01:33:16 it's progress Aug 13 01:33:22 indeed Aug 13 01:33:24 wonder if it'll let you re-enter passwords now Aug 13 01:33:28 nope Aug 13 01:33:33 it will, but it just dumps them Aug 13 01:33:36 and keeps the triangle Aug 13 01:33:42 feh :( Aug 13 01:33:49 are you copy pasting? Aug 13 01:34:26 copy pasting? Aug 13 01:34:37 the password Aug 13 01:34:43 pizzaboy192: are you deleting the entire account and then readding? Aug 13 01:34:45 nope Aug 13 01:34:48 yes Aug 13 01:34:56 deleting the whole account and adding all settings by hand does not fix it Aug 13 01:34:59 is "enabled slide gestures" also supposed to activate "app switch gestures" at the bottom (instead of at the sides)? cause that is a little bit conflicting with sliding panes like in the e-mail app Aug 13 01:35:16 *enable Aug 13 01:35:19 has anyone besides pizzaboy192 encountered this? Aug 13 01:35:19 it does not give a triangle, but it does not sync either Aug 13 01:35:39 is there a way to record a video of my TP's screen w Aug 13 01:35:41 pc-world: slide gestures make it change the gesture detection algorithm, app switch gestures enables the side swipes Aug 13 01:35:45 LarrySteeze: well, my account won't sync after I've reentered the correct password, though I've not removed it before Aug 13 01:35:46 *w\out having a phone pointed at it? Aug 13 01:36:02 some of the account pages show up blank Aug 13 01:36:03 pizzaboy192, go back to stock, check again, if still persists its a CE problem. Aug 13 01:36:19 s/its a/its not a/ Aug 13 01:36:20 ka6sox meant: pizzaboy192, go back to stock, check again, if still persists its not a CE problem. Aug 13 01:36:24 ah Aug 13 01:36:25 yes Aug 13 01:36:27 trying that now Aug 13 01:36:37 ShiftyAxel: if I disable "slide gestures", "app switch gestures" still work, but only at the side Aug 13 01:36:45 *works Aug 13 01:37:27 pc-world: indeed, they aren't co-dependent Aug 13 01:37:44 Woah! uberLunah update! Aug 13 01:37:47 Gonna install that first Aug 13 01:37:51 slide gestures trigger when your finger has moved 15px, right? Aug 13 01:37:58 and swipes are 3.0.5 behaviour Aug 13 01:38:35 ShiftyAxel: yes Aug 13 01:38:56 hrm... UberLunah update wont' install =( Aug 13 01:39:00 ShiftyAxel: could we disable app switch gestures at the bottom even if slide gestures are enabled? Aug 13 01:39:29 pc-world: oh, you mean the side slides at the bottom? Aug 13 01:39:40 or are you talking about the card view gesture? Aug 13 01:39:42 can't email log since Emailing is broken =( Aug 13 01:40:07 ShiftyAxel: not the card view gesture, the gesture which you use to switch between apps Aug 13 01:40:57 pc-world: being able to trigger any gesture from any side is on the cards for a fix, unintended behaviour. I covered it earlier in the chat. Aug 13 01:41:26 ShiftyAxel: by "any side" you include the bottom, right? Aug 13 01:41:33 oh boy... Aug 13 01:41:41 might want to make a note... disable PIN before resetting... Aug 13 01:41:45 it's not taking mine Aug 13 01:41:49 pc-world: no, I use an exclusive OR algorithm to determine my definition of 'all'... Aug 13 01:42:01 pizzaboy192 STOP NOW Aug 13 01:42:10 do not try agian Aug 13 01:42:11 pizzaboy192: yes, it is advised to remove the pin first. do not try to enter anything. Aug 13 01:42:11 pizzaboy192: did you reset to the stock version? Aug 13 01:42:18 yes... Aug 13 01:42:25 pizzaboy192: you need to remove that .passcode file using command line Aug 13 01:42:31 how? Aug 13 01:42:34 pizzaboy192: rm /var/luna/data/.passcode Aug 13 01:42:55 pizzaboy192: you have to use terminal Aug 13 01:43:11 can you ssh into your tp? Aug 13 01:43:25 or do you use usb? Aug 13 01:43:32 Just did it via USB Aug 13 01:43:35 rebooting Aug 13 01:43:48 ok Aug 13 01:44:17 ShiftyAxel: so, in other words, app switch gestures are not supposed to work at the bottom, and that's on the list of things to be fixed, right? Aug 13 01:44:33 pc-world: yes Aug 13 01:44:43 ShiftyAxel: okay then everything is fine :) Aug 13 01:44:56 pizzaboy192: reboot wasn't necessary, but doesn't matter now ^^ Aug 13 01:44:56 who do I get superuser permission in wterm? Aug 13 01:45:07 k4ever_: I think it's in the settings Aug 13 01:45:56 k4ever_: Preferences -> Misc -> set "default exec command" to "login -f root" Aug 13 01:46:00 FIXED Aug 13 01:46:21 testing email accounts Aug 13 01:46:49 accounts window is completely blank =\ Aug 13 01:47:15 pizzaboy192: did you remove all accounts before resetting to stock 3.0.5 Luna? Aug 13 01:47:24 tried to, but same issue Aug 13 01:47:28 accounts window went blank Aug 13 01:50:33 accounts removed Aug 13 01:50:36 trying with stock Aug 13 01:50:40 gratz Aug 13 01:51:42 so tabbed cards means no app switch gesture? Aug 13 01:52:09 for the time being, yes Aug 13 01:52:57 I imagine it could be slightly recoded to handle switching between single cards Aug 13 01:53:05 and possibly to switch out of stacks Aug 13 01:54:16 if you feel like it you could add the functionality and issue a pull request ;) Aug 13 01:54:23 tried in one of my apps (Mojo), seems all pre-filled text fields get reset after a few ms Aug 13 01:54:41 yeah, noted issue Aug 13 01:54:56 so that Carbon bug is probably a duplicate of the Preware issue, I'll mark it as duplicate Aug 13 01:54:59 just curious: before UberLunah update the status bar was showing my TP name - now it's back to "HP WebOS" was that just a fluke? Aug 13 01:55:16 kayphoonstar: no, we had to remove mans andersson's pull request Aug 13 01:55:21 erm... big problem Aug 13 01:55:30 it won't work on stock now either Aug 13 01:55:36 i try to add accounts and they are eaten Aug 13 01:56:01 he pull requested the wrong branch, so he has to reissue his new one Aug 13 01:56:36 pizzaboy192: that doesn't sound good, can you update the bug tracker with that info, or make a new bug if the relevant is not already there? Aug 13 01:57:11 sure Aug 13 01:57:22 DId not have to re-enter my password for IMAP account, I always have to re enter for pop as webOS never has remembered. I added outlook email account and the calendar synced, cool. Aug 13 01:58:06 pizzaboy192: it sounds like a doctor visit may be in order Aug 13 01:58:23 I do hope not... Aug 13 01:59:00 pizzaboy192: you did read and agree to the terms of enabling the alpha feeds? Aug 13 01:59:09 I did Aug 13 01:59:15 I just don't like doctoring Aug 13 01:59:18 too much hastle Aug 13 01:59:21 but I'll do it if I have to Aug 13 01:59:24 i remember when hadak first swapped lunas, it blew up his accounts and going back didn't fix it either Aug 13 01:59:38 but i've heard no other reports and no one's been able to duplicate it Aug 13 01:59:42 until apparently now Aug 13 02:00:23 how did HaDAk fix it? Aug 13 02:00:29 doctor Aug 13 02:00:42 * ShiftyAxel drops a hat Aug 13 02:01:02 * ka6sox opens a violin case Aug 13 02:01:28 the doctor is good for you. after the initial re-sync and a following reboot, your device feels so much smoother Aug 13 02:01:45 * EricBlade1 is trying to look at the bright side. there's no way in hell i'm doctoring my main touchpad if i don't have to Aug 13 02:02:09 * ShiftyAxel has been putting the doctor off for a while now Aug 13 02:02:23 EricBlade1: btw, did you have success with woce on your Pre3? Aug 13 02:02:36 I've been trying to stuff this ipod into my Touchpad... doesn't an Apple a day keep the doctor away? Aug 13 02:02:40 pc-world: the notes about as far as we got is on the wiki Aug 13 02:03:08 pc-world: it's not a feasible project to pursue in the current state of things Aug 13 02:03:26 i'm goanna hit the hay shortly, anyone need anything before i head off? Aug 13 02:03:34 EricBlade1: which article? Aug 13 02:04:08 (I should go sleeping as well, it's 4am here :o) Aug 13 02:04:36 EricBlade1, do we have a bug report for what you were just talking about? Aug 13 02:05:02 i don't know Aug 13 02:05:20 wow! Other side of the world- just 7pm here. Aug 13 02:05:36 pc-world: umm Aug 13 02:05:44 nn ShiftyAxel yeoman's work today! Aug 13 02:05:53 pc-world: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/LunaSysMgr_CE_for_Pre3 Aug 13 02:06:18 So HP must have an alpha by now of open webs 1.0 Anyone notice anything in their app logs that would suggest testing hardware? Aug 13 02:06:31 EricBlade1: ahh, it's a little bit older, that's why I didn't find it in recent changes, thanks Aug 13 02:06:31 ka6sox: i think we all sort of assumed that it was just a hadak problem since no one else experienced that Aug 13 02:06:51 right Aug 13 02:06:52 bluen: there are at least 3 TouchPad Go's with SynerGV 2 Aug 13 02:07:35 EricBlade1: with openWebOS? Aug 13 02:07:43 bluen: no but one has 3.0.6 Aug 13 02:08:14 just updated uberlunah. nic Aug 13 02:08:23 ..nice! Aug 13 02:08:42 ;) Aug 13 02:08:58 ka6sox: got one lst little bit of yeomanly work to be entered and i'm done Aug 13 02:08:59 EricBlade: So is it possible there is no testing hardware yet for this linux kernel and that is why nothing in your logs? Aug 13 02:09:33 ShiftyAxel, jobs not done till the paperwork is done? Aug 13 02:09:47 I see you guys made it so the banner moves to the left for the lock screen. I also see you make it ask for a device restart instead of a Luna restart. Aug 13 02:10:36 bluen: well, considering that what we currently have of open webos does not include any messaging components, i'm guessing that either (a) open webos is reporting to enyo.fetchDeviceInfo() that it's a TouchPad, no matter what it is, or (b) there simply isn't enough of open webos to run messaging yet Aug 13 02:11:55 I'm not understanding the 3 new tweaks though. I can't figure them out. also the account problem is still there (didn't think you would fix it so soon anyway). what happened to adding the keyboard arrows tweak? Aug 13 02:12:35 k4ever_: tap the help icon in the bottom right corner and then on of the items, the first two are explained a little bit Aug 13 02:12:39 *one Aug 13 02:12:52 or there's always the possibility that the testing devices are actually touchpads Aug 13 02:14:23 EricBlade1: But they said no resources to back port. So they would test on touchpads but not release a version to the community because why? Aug 13 02:15:10 ka6sox: job's not done until card tabs can switch between stacks ;) Aug 13 02:15:31 aha Aug 13 02:15:43 good night every one... ^^ Aug 13 02:16:36 bluen: shrug. i've seen evidence that the system manager works on touchpad, but i also suspect that each major piece of the system is being developed seperately from each other Aug 13 02:17:08 ding ding ding! give the man a GOLD star ^^ Aug 13 02:17:14 SO my guess is that they have the system manager operating in webOS 3 with a few ported in components Aug 13 02:17:51 but when you mate that to the kernel that it's supposed to be used with, the proverbial Hell breaks Loose. Aug 13 02:18:18 interesting why are the dogs of hell set loose? Aug 13 02:18:25 ShiftyAxel: I agree. I noticed that I can't switch between stacks and immediately turned the tweak off. :-( Aug 13 02:18:33 because kernel 3.3 doesn't run on touchpads Aug 13 02:19:10 or any other non-PC hardware if i'm to believe all the whining in the webosnation forums Aug 13 02:20:35 ShiftyAxel: What happen to the keyboard arrows code that was submitted earlier? Aug 13 02:20:37 3.3 does indeed run on non-x86 platforms. Aug 13 02:21:01 k4ever_ depends on a patch that needs reworking Aug 13 02:21:11 ka6sox: PC in the "personal computer" sense not in the "x86" sense Aug 13 02:21:44 I have 3.3 working on ARM platforms quite well. Aug 13 02:21:44 ok Aug 13 02:22:04 i thought sometime it might be an interesting experiment to see how far one could patch the current touchpad kernel before the binary drivers broke Aug 13 02:22:42 k4ever: working on it Aug 13 02:23:08 k4ever: mans' pull got removed because he apparently submitted the wrong branch, he'll be submitting a new one in the near future Aug 13 02:23:26 k4ever: that's going to be comign soon Aug 13 02:23:43 k4ever: we "had it" but had to retract it Aug 13 02:23:56 thanks guys. Aug 13 02:24:53 EricBlade1, I wondered too..but nevver had the time to investigate. Aug 13 02:26:30 tons of kindle fires sold, would be great if openwebOS worked on them Aug 13 02:28:18 fire is a modified android 2 isn't it Aug 13 02:28:25 Only 1 million of those galaxy tabs were sold, have to believe the nexus won't do that much better, amazon Prime followers bought the Fires Aug 13 02:31:11 if you believe this vid, someone got the fire working with ICS and kernel 3.0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3I7QZ2XNUU Aug 13 02:32:59 bluen, we don't even have a beta of OWOS yet...thinking about porting targets is "blue sky"... Aug 13 02:36:44 ka6: agreed, i started the conversation by wondering if there was hardware for the alpha build as the beta is slated to drop in a few weeks or if the alpha was just running on pcs. I would not be surprised if they said the alpha and beta only work with pcs and its up to a third party to pick it up and eventually make it work with the new kernel Aug 13 02:38:25 CE is for TouchPad 3.0.5 ONLY. Aug 13 02:38:46 no other targets possible Aug 13 02:38:51 evah Aug 13 02:39:06 bluen: the alpha is WebOS CE Aug 13 02:39:33 no i meant the alpha of openwebOS 1.0 that has to exist right now if the schedule calls for beta release in two weeks Aug 13 02:39:48 you wouldn't release a beta without an alpha would you? Aug 13 02:40:15 bluen, what has been announce about beta? Aug 13 02:40:20 well, *we* wouldn't. Aug 13 02:40:56 lol, good one, rwhitby :D Aug 13 02:41:09 bluen: not saying HP is this way, but *MANY* companies release an alpha under the name of beta Aug 13 02:42:50 I hear you. But they have to at least assure that it works on something, otherwise they ruin perception of their project if someone tries to build it and can't Aug 13 02:43:20 I wasn't aware that the goal of OWO was to run on anything besides an emulator Aug 13 02:43:38 LarrySteeze: that is what i am thinking too Aug 13 02:43:58 Just installed it. Works great. Aug 13 02:44:11 drivers are going to be a fun issue. Aug 13 02:44:37 and they hope for 3rd parties to pick it up (3rd parties who are making or licensing drivers) Aug 13 02:45:52 pretty much relying on TI and qualcomm there...though I don't see why it couldn't show up on an x86 tablet.. Aug 13 02:46:08 "just the Facts Ma'am Aug 13 02:46:10 " Aug 13 02:47:25 wait, you can log into myspace with your facebook info now? Aug 13 02:47:53 I think I remember seeing that a year or so ago, but it just seems wrong Aug 13 02:48:12 * ka6sox holds out for his CoCo3 to run OWOS... Aug 13 02:48:44 IMHO, I'm most interested in whatever effort gets OWO ported to a phone. Aug 13 02:50:32 ka6sox: cocolives.com, do not underestimate. Hmmn, maybe we need to buy lunalives.com Aug 13 02:51:07 6809E running Plan9 Aug 13 02:51:08 :D Aug 13 02:57:12 good lord it's moving fast. this morning we were at 4.0.0, now we're at 4.1.1 according to shifty Aug 13 02:57:31 YOU SAW NOTHING Aug 13 02:59:08 Those are not the Lunas I'm looking for. Aug 13 02:59:56 i'm goanna go to bed Aug 13 02:59:58 nn all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 13 02:59:58 2012