**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 16 02:59:58 2012 Aug 16 03:01:56 kayphoonstar: thanks for the report - that should be fixed now going forward for the next version after 4.3.2 Aug 16 03:02:30 note that the tweaks help specifically indicated the conflict between tabbed cards and fluid Aug 16 03:02:41 (and also says what fluid is) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 16 03:18:28 2012 Aug 16 04:28:34 hey guys. how goes tonight Aug 16 04:30:23 moo Aug 16 04:30:43 thats all I got Aug 16 04:31:02 well, that's something. Aug 16 04:57:24 EricBlade: I improved the prerm and postinst - should upgrade better starting with next version Aug 16 04:59:30 yay! Aug 16 06:14:16 nice Aug 16 06:14:29 "gram" eh ? Aug 16 06:15:19 gram. Aug 16 06:15:45 is that how they spell it ? Aug 16 06:16:18 all lower case with the g and r looking like a butterfly Aug 16 06:17:53 i was talking today with a guy who had done some software work in palmos. he had no idea that palm was still around, had never even heard of webos. Aug 16 06:20:03 bhuey: you don't have any experience with node services, do you? *thinks you're a kernel guy Aug 16 06:25:23 awesome Aug 16 06:25:26 git's working Aug 16 06:25:44 EricBlade: no but our Palm folks use to before they bailed. You talking JS.Node ? Aug 16 06:26:15 yeah webOS is a really interesting system but the interesting parts of it weren't really the software per se but the folks that wrote it Aug 16 06:26:35 now that HP forked off the remaining bits of Palm as "Gram" who knows what's going to happen Aug 16 06:26:56 nearly all of engineering is decimated that was good Aug 16 06:27:08 HP is a poorly run company from the very top downwards Aug 16 06:28:41 was last year November or something that I last compiled a kernel Aug 16 06:28:43 it's a good feeling Aug 16 06:34:34 * bhuey realizes he was typing in the wrong channel Aug 16 06:34:45 but that's ok, I'm no longer a Palm employee :) Aug 16 07:13:18 bhuey: heh yeah I think all those facts are public knowledge for some time :) Aug 16 07:14:05 though hope springs eternal that management may be better than previous management only time will tell Aug 16 07:14:37 they definitely seem to be supporting the open source thing and community which is good Aug 16 07:36:34 destinal: cross fingers that's all we can do Aug 16 07:36:44 because iOS and Android are ok systems, not great systems Aug 16 07:37:11 they would have been much more successful if they had included the existing open source folks in the decision process from the very beginning Aug 16 07:37:27 now one of them is retiring and he has hefty credentials in that scene Aug 16 07:42:38 who? huh? Aug 16 08:18:00 morning Aug 16 08:18:10 morn Aug 16 08:30:10 hey shiftyaxel, how are tabs going to work in fluid mode? Aug 16 08:32:21 morning all Aug 16 08:32:43 cirtus: long-term plan is to integrate them properly with the finger-following gestures Aug 16 08:33:21 but for the meantime (until the upswipe is fixed) they're limited to app switching Aug 16 08:47:00 s/cirtus/citrus/ Aug 16 08:47:17 * ShiftyAxel needs coffee, but there is no milk... Aug 16 08:47:56 ShiftyAxel, sorry I haven't been any help of late. Little time these days. Aug 16 08:48:19 hey dukiedrew, no problem :) Aug 16 08:48:29 everyone has to deal with that 'real life' thing after all! Aug 16 08:49:27 darn that real life Aug 16 08:49:29 anyway, nn Aug 16 08:54:33 howdy swisstomcat Aug 16 08:54:54 hey shiftyaxel Aug 16 08:54:58 and ericblade Aug 16 08:55:04 did you get your tablet, shiftyaxel? Aug 16 08:55:41 dukiedrew: people love the crap out of tab view. i think you should polish that up till it shines like a light bulb, and present it as an alternative to standard card view Aug 16 08:59:51 EricBlade, yeah I saw some comments about it...problem is I haven't actually set up any of my devices on "alpha" feeds to debug some of the issues (well, I saw one issue on webosnations forums), plus I have some other work and I am busy the next 6 weekends :| Aug 16 09:06:58 i wish it would be more discoverable Aug 16 09:07:13 i had to ask someone how it works after i read about it Aug 16 09:17:06 swisstomcat: nothing yet, it's been with the courier since 8:45AM yesterday but DHL don't seem especially bothered about deliverying Aug 16 09:17:17 humpf Aug 16 09:17:23 that's what I said! Aug 16 09:17:26 what's the sense of using DHL then Aug 16 09:17:51 indeed, they seem a bit lax. especially considering it's meant to be corporate shipping... Aug 16 09:18:29 yeah Aug 16 09:18:40 what do you wish was more discoverable btw? 4.3.2 should have help descriptions for all the tweaks Aug 16 09:20:08 * ShiftyAxel is tempted to kick the DHL man in the nuts when he finally turns up Aug 16 09:20:39 tabbed cards should be more discoverable Aug 16 09:20:42 if that's even possible Aug 16 09:20:52 hmm Aug 16 09:20:54 discoverable? Aug 16 09:21:18 well, on first run the first time you go to card view it gives you a popup with basic instructions Aug 16 09:21:39 I imagine that could be hooked into it, but since it's a tweak that's off by default, users would still have to enable it first Aug 16 09:23:26 never try to use ls-monitor to debug somethign going on in multiple service calls, when it's time for the database service to sync everything for the day Aug 16 09:55:00 swisstomcat: tablet just arrived :D Aug 16 09:57:08 yay! Aug 16 09:58:27 didn't realise I'd have to pay customs charges, but i can't really complain Aug 16 09:58:32 * ShiftyAxel doctors it to 3.0.5 Aug 16 10:00:42 ShiftyAxel: I've just pull-requested the devicename-as-carriertext-changes and are now looking at the keyboard fixes. Aug 16 10:00:59 mansandersson: excellent, thanks! :) Aug 16 10:01:06 ShiftyAxel: are there any keyboard layouts added by someone else that I need to adapt to my new solution? Aug 16 10:01:46 LunohoD added arrows to the layouts, but I reverted that along with yours Aug 16 10:01:57 he's agreed to add it after your keyboards are merged in Aug 16 10:02:01 okay, I've added arrows too so that will be okay Aug 16 10:02:15 but he can change them if he has a better solution ;-) Aug 16 10:02:28 shiftyaxel: hmm, i instructed them that we pay custom charges :/ Aug 16 10:02:41 how much was it? Aug 16 10:03:00 mansandersson: i've added them to the number row Aug 16 10:03:02 swisstomcat: £20.86 Aug 16 10:03:10 i can paypal you that Aug 16 10:03:32 looks like it comes up as 'VAT & Administration Fee' on the receipt Aug 16 10:03:41 sure :) Aug 16 10:03:41 hrmpf Aug 16 10:03:45 LunohoD: okay, i've removed some of the smileys and added them there. Any solution is fine for me, feel free to change it if you want Aug 16 10:03:52 msg me your paypal adr Aug 16 10:04:05 mansandersson: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/35 Aug 16 10:04:06 ...once I've pulled requested my changes that is Aug 16 10:04:24 mansandersson: i've also added russian and ukranian layouts Aug 16 10:04:58 swisstomcat: PM'd Aug 16 10:05:15 got it Aug 16 10:05:23 LunohoD: okay, should I adapt them to my fixes before pushing them into features? Aug 16 10:05:38 mansandersson: it would be nice Aug 16 10:05:46 if you have time to do that Aug 16 10:05:47 LunohoD: i'm on it Aug 16 10:13:31 how on earth did my touchpad just retrieve email with wifi off.. wth Aug 16 10:15:09 hehe Aug 16 10:15:12 magic Aug 16 10:16:28 hidden feature: magic 802.11un Aug 16 10:16:31 (icorn) Aug 16 10:21:40 hmm, this doctor download is really slow Aug 16 10:23:04 and speedtest.net looks fine, guess the palm servers must be on a go-slow Aug 16 10:24:35 it's in the middle of the night :) Aug 16 10:25:51 swisstomcat: You put th servers into slow mode over the night? Nice :) Aug 16 10:26:08 yeah, to save money :D Aug 16 10:26:12 ~ugt! ~ugt! D: Aug 16 10:26:27 and to give them a break Aug 16 10:26:46 swisstomcat: imagine what you could save if you would only have them turned on on normal office hours. :) Aug 16 10:26:58 swisstomcat: This 24x7 www is overrated anyway Aug 16 10:27:17 exactly Aug 16 10:27:57 it's just a bunch of touchpads serving the content through a node.js service ... Aug 16 10:28:06 coool Aug 16 10:28:08 :) Aug 16 10:29:14 …for real? Aug 16 10:29:32 ShiftyAxel: heh Aug 16 10:29:49 heh Aug 16 10:30:10 text makes it difficult to tell when people are being facetious or not :P Aug 16 10:33:31 LunohoD: you've set ukrainian iso code to ua but wikipedia says uk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language). Which's correct? Aug 16 11:05:02 we've just had a report on wosn about the .com and @ buttons not working on 4.3.2 Aug 16 11:05:26 i'm thinking it's something to do with the keyboard fix introduced in 4.2 Aug 16 11:05:44 hmm. i should not be able to crash my pre3 so hard i have to battery pull. Aug 16 11:06:28 ShiftyAxel: are there a changelog so I can see what changes were made to the keyboard? Aug 16 11:08:10 mansandersson: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/commit/89135a4ef06d3e71d451e8288e5ae2adbbafe45d Aug 16 11:08:41 removing those lines fixed the text field blanking, but stopped it showing the internet buttons in the relevant fields Aug 16 11:10:53 awesome! webos 2 crashes the phone completely when attempting to connect to a wifi network that you have an incorrect password stored for Aug 16 11:11:02 webos 3 just doesn't give you any obvious way of changing it Aug 16 11:11:05 :( Aug 16 11:12:28 EricBlade: 'Forget Network' and readd? Aug 16 11:12:44 mansandersson: i have no idea :) Aug 16 11:12:50 i can only get to "Forget Network" if i can connect to the network Aug 16 11:13:02 LunohoD: i'm going with uk for now Aug 16 11:13:19 EricBlade: app menu > known networks? Aug 16 11:13:29 you can swipe to delete from there Aug 16 11:14:07 mansandersson: what's the iso code for the United Kingdom? Aug 16 11:14:28 LunohoD: 'en' Aug 16 11:14:29 uk :-P but that is a country code Aug 16 11:14:31 ah, i did not know of that feature Aug 16 11:14:42 apparently US/UK are the same thing when it comes to ISO Aug 16 11:15:02 'uk' keyboard layout is different from the 'us' Aug 16 11:15:11 you have to diff between country and language codes Aug 16 11:15:39 ie en_us is english with us "dialect" or en_uk is with british "dialect" Aug 16 11:23:59 ShiftyAxel, LunohoD: i've added pull request for the correct keyboard fixes including the russian/ukrainian layouts and arrow keys (https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/38) Aug 16 11:24:14 thanks! Aug 16 11:24:18 sweet, thanks mansandersson Aug 16 11:29:56 I can confirm that the .com/@ keys are not shown when we add the text field blanking fix. Since each keyboard have 3 different bottom rows and it is only showing the default the problem probably lays in the identifying of the input field Aug 16 11:57:40 yeah, my guess is that a better fix might involve locating those two function calls that were taken out, and fixing the functions rather than removing the calls Aug 16 12:08:02 I've added a tweaks json to my lunasysmgr dir, compiled and installed. How do I get it to appera in tweaks (3.0.1)? Aug 16 12:09:03 it belongs somewhere in the /usr/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/org.webosinternals.tweaks/something Aug 16 12:21:05 what EricBlade said Aug 16 12:23:27 /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/org.webosinternals.tweaks.prefs/preferences Aug 16 12:27:43 do I need to restart some service after copying? it doesn't show up... Aug 16 12:29:33 mansandersson: you should only have to restart Tweaks Aug 16 12:29:47 can you pastebin your json? i'll take a look at it Aug 16 12:29:49 okay, then my conf file must be corrupt or something Aug 16 12:32:47 ShiftyAxel: http://pastebin.com/TxS8vP1j (I'm going to be away for some hour now and will test anything you might find when I'm back) Aug 16 12:37:53 mansandersson: "input": "text" isn't required, since you're using a togglebutton Aug 16 12:38:09 also "key" should be something unique like 'deviceNameCarrierText' Aug 16 12:42:38 ShiftyAxel: I've updated it accordingly and it still does not show up (http://pastebin.com/NQqqmtrH) Aug 16 12:43:13 it's located in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/org.webosinternals.tweaks.prefs/preferences/luna-devicename.conf at the moment if that may help Aug 16 12:44:13 everything looks correct from where i'm standing… maybe remove the newline, but that shouldn't break it Aug 16 13:54:11 Hi guys Aug 16 13:54:40 Where can I find LunaCE release notes plz ? Aug 16 13:55:14 Preware Aug 16 13:55:29 we're working on a proper changelog for the wiki atm Aug 16 13:57:24 Thanks, but on preware there's no day to day changelog, only major features Aug 16 13:57:51 But if you're working on it, it's ok Aug 16 13:57:56 Thanks for the info Aug 16 14:13:53 http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Versions Aug 16 14:14:01 basic, but the information's there Aug 16 14:33:13 I really can't get my tweaks entry to show up, any other suggestions? Aug 16 14:41:03 does lunace have to be of a specific version for it to work? Aug 16 14:41:22 Morning, all. Aug 16 14:41:39 The only thing it depends on is Tweaks Aug 16 14:42:08 So long as your version for that is > 3.0.5 you should be fine... Aug 16 14:44:35 tweaks > 3.0.5? I'm using 3.0.1 so that could be the problem then Aug 16 14:44:57 Whoops, 3.0.0 Aug 16 14:45:09 okay, damn Aug 16 14:45:12 Got 3.0.5 burned into my brain... Aug 16 14:45:18 hehe Aug 16 14:45:44 So how is tweaks behaving with your json? Aug 16 14:45:59 Just not showing? Aug 16 14:46:05 yes, just not showing Aug 16 14:46:49 Is this the right forum for questions about kernel ports? Aug 16 14:47:36 Daughain: elaborate a little? Aug 16 14:48:40 ShiftyAxel: you're discussing CE right now, I was wondering if there is another channel to ask questions about porting the linux 3.1 kernel for webOS. Aug 16 14:48:57 ShiftyAxel: I copied one of the tweaks from the features branch but it didn't show up either. Will try to reinstall tweaks now Aug 16 14:51:01 Daughain: not that I know of, so long as the discussion is relevant to webOS ports then it's welcome here Aug 16 14:51:11 Ok, thanks. Aug 16 14:51:32 mansandersson: okay, good luck! Aug 16 14:52:06 ShiftyAxel: didn't work either. Is nobody else having these problems? Aug 16 14:52:32 Is there any work being done on porting 3.1, or Are we still waiting for owOS to drop? Aug 16 14:53:48 You'd have to ask ka6sox about that, I don't know myself Aug 16 14:54:16 Any ideA when he might show up? Aug 16 14:54:28 Are you referring to back porting kernel 3.1 to existing webOS hardware? Aug 16 14:54:49 Afraid not, 'at some point' Aug 16 14:54:59 Yeah. Least starting there. Aug 16 14:55:16 now it hangs on "scanning installed tweaks..." Aug 16 14:55:27 That's not on the agenda currently, this much I do know Aug 16 14:55:28 Mostly trying to educate myself on what is needed and involved in the whole subject. Aug 16 14:56:13 does the uberluna package need to be preware installed, or would palm-install work? Aug 16 14:56:27 mansandersson: that implies that one of the json files has a problem Aug 16 14:57:02 RagingMind: palm-install should work, but Pre ware is advised Aug 16 14:58:00 Daughain: if you'd like to get involved, we're always looking for new people :) Aug 16 14:58:54 Really wish I could, but my only computer is currently my TP. :-( Aug 16 14:59:04 Ouch Aug 16 14:59:16 Still want to learn though. Aug 16 14:59:56 That's why I was asking about settling up a dual boot of webOS, so I could tinker with CE. Aug 16 15:00:25 'dual boot' isn't really the right term Aug 16 15:00:39 since it's just a single binary Aug 16 15:00:46 Setting up webos in two separate partitions would be a dual boot. Aug 16 15:01:24 Just like an android install. Aug 16 15:01:46 yes, but an enormous waste of space considering what you're looking for can be achieved without a dual boot Aug 16 15:02:15 plus there is no way to dual boot two copies of webOS Aug 16 15:02:46 I have 1 TP, I can't Dr it, so I can't afford to mess anything up on my primary iteration. Aug 16 15:03:58 the only thing LunaCE could mess up in it's current state is LunaCE Aug 16 15:04:28 could someone else check whether they get the following conf to work in tweaks? http://pastebin.com/NQqqmtrH Aug 16 15:04:29 I've realized I'm unique here, and its not going to happen, so I'm turning my attention something else. :-) Aug 16 15:05:43 ShiftyAxel: yes, but I will want to tinker with CE, and will likely break things. Did it often enough with my TP before my laptop died. Aug 16 15:06:09 Why can't you doctor your TP? Aug 16 15:06:25 My laptop died, and I can't afford a new one yet. Aug 16 15:06:53 define 'tinker' Aug 16 15:07:24 since you're TP-bound you aren't likely to be able to compile any builds of your own, surely? Aug 16 15:07:45 Edit conf settings, or whatever else looks like it might be interesting to edit. Aug 16 15:08:34 LunaCE doesn't have any config files that standard Luna doesn't Aug 16 15:09:05 What did get changed? Aug 16 15:09:55 the link I posted earlier is the complete changelog Aug 16 15:10:07 I've prettied it up since Aug 16 15:10:37 Link? Aug 16 15:11:01 Wiki link I. The topic? Aug 16 15:11:18 http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Versions Aug 16 15:11:28 scroll back is your friend :p Aug 16 15:11:55 The link was played before I logged on. Aug 16 15:12:02 Posted Aug 16 15:12:37 Thanks, I'll read through it. Aug 16 15:15:03 ShiftyAxel: I found what was wrong with Tweaks, the tweak file must have the extension .json and not .conf Aug 16 15:16:13 https://twitter.com/webosports/status/235606135829327872 Aug 16 15:16:23 Daughain: You don't have any friends who would let you use their computer to Doctor your phone if it broke? Aug 16 15:16:43 s/phone/touchpad Aug 16 15:18:11 GodGinrai: Yes, but no clue how quickly I could get it done. Aug 16 15:18:18 how's tyrok's documentation coming along? i haven't heard from him in a few days Aug 16 15:18:35 its beautiful' Aug 16 15:18:41 mansandersson: ah, I wondered about that. good to hear you have it fixed :) Aug 16 15:18:50 HaDAk|work: Hasn't really been. I've got some stuff that still needs to be pushed, IIRC, but I haven't had much time to work on it. Aug 16 15:18:57 it is indeed a majestic sight Aug 16 15:19:09 tyrok: no worries :) just glad to have any help at all. Aug 16 15:19:11 my touchpad comes back today!! :D :D Aug 16 15:19:11 i'll finally be able to test out some of these awesome things Aug 16 15:19:36 w00t! :D Aug 16 15:20:12 i know! lol Aug 16 15:20:14 HaDAk|work: Haven't even really had time to watch the progress in this channel. :( Aug 16 15:20:33 ka6sox-farfarawa, i wish i had some graphics skills for that contest :/ Aug 16 15:21:16 Tyrol: the changelog on the wiki is a good place to look if you need to catch up Aug 16 15:21:27 ShiftyAxel: Link? Aug 16 15:21:30 bah, tyrok ^^ Aug 16 15:21:42 darn autocorrect Aug 16 15:21:46 http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Versions Aug 16 15:21:52 http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Versions Aug 16 15:22:29 Nice work, folks. That looks quite neat. Aug 16 15:22:35 Anyone got it working on a Pre2 yet? Aug 16 15:22:50 we did a lot of work on that, but got stuck Aug 16 15:23:02 we need the rest of open webos to even take an honest stab at it Aug 16 15:23:07 not on the agenda atm Aug 16 15:23:21 http://opebwebos.org ?.? Aug 16 15:23:34 Yeah, I remember helping debug the build process for it a bit. Got decently far, IIRC. I still don't see where it's impossible. Aug 16 15:24:12 PatrickC: damn Mozilla! Aug 16 15:24:39 i know! Aug 16 15:24:47 they not only took our domain, but idea as well! Aug 16 15:25:14 we still have openwebosproject.whateveritis Aug 16 15:25:28 but still, sheeyit Aug 16 15:25:31 openwebosproject.org Aug 16 15:25:59 this month is gonna be a good month though :) Aug 16 15:26:19 quite a good move, business-wise Aug 16 15:26:28 but a dick move Aug 16 15:26:40 * PatrickC waits for Open webOS Beta :D Aug 16 15:28:17 if past code drops are anything to go by, you've got another half month to wait yet :p Aug 16 15:29:29 but it's still this month :) Aug 16 15:29:43 true, true Aug 16 15:48:22 what did Mozilla do? Aug 16 15:48:47 www.openwebos.org Aug 16 15:58:41 wow, my respect for Mozilla just went down a little Aug 16 15:59:51 I'm now very upset with mozilla Aug 16 16:02:19 I can't really spare any Mozilla respect Aug 16 16:02:50 lost that with Firefox 3, when they made it a giant, slow-ass resource hog Aug 16 16:02:58 * RagingMind hugs his iceweasel Aug 16 16:03:23 Oh, yeah, that is a dick move. Aug 16 16:04:02 I really enjoy the newer FFs more than opera or chrome Aug 16 16:04:41 we really should start a campaign to shame mozilla, or if someone's already started one I need to hop on board Aug 16 16:05:20 I dunno, if this makes it to WOSN the complaint brigade will have a field day Aug 16 16:08:27 There are things I like and dislike about both Chrome and Firefox. I'm currently back on FF because Chrome ate my preferences and I haven't had a chance to figure out why. Aug 16 16:10:02 I like Chrome because it's WebKit, though I don't use it because Safari works for me Aug 16 16:10:08 (and is WebKit2) Aug 16 16:10:37 I tend to have ~10 browser windows open each with 2-10+ tabs for days/weeks at a time and FF is much more stable Aug 16 16:13:26 There are a handful of usability issues I have with Chrome; e.g. no case-sensitive find in page. WTF? Aug 16 16:15:02 And in light of user complaints, their response is "Discussed w/ UI leads: This would be nice to have, but we're not willing to add the options to the UI at this time." Aug 16 16:16:19 its being "worked"...no reason to get too riled... Aug 16 16:17:41 Closing legitimate feature bugs with WONTFIX because your UI team can't come up with a way to implement it is a significant fail in my book. :) Aug 16 16:18:29 they could just add a preference if they're that concerned about it futzing with the UI... Aug 16 16:21:04 we are waaay OT here today :D Aug 16 16:21:56 But both sensitive and insensitive are useful for different searches; not so much a set preference but incidental. Aug 16 16:22:56 searching for "webos", not knowing what capitalization was being used, or searcing for an acronym that happens to also be a common word, like "CARD" Aug 16 16:23:39 http://www.rollachan.org/b/src/133488800913.jpg Aug 16 16:24:17 Heh. Aug 16 16:26:21 a rickroll! Aug 16 16:27:03 * ShiftyAxel is above rickrolls Aug 16 16:27:37 and surely rickrolls are meant to be in video format? Aug 16 16:31:20 Meh. Have to go take the train into work for a vendor meeting. *disapppears* Aug 16 16:38:03 Sorry Galt Aug 16 16:47:49 morning morphis Aug 16 16:47:58 ka6sox-away: heyho Aug 16 16:48:56 * RagingMind <3's trains Aug 16 16:49:28 * ShiftyAxel respectfully disagrees with RagingMind Aug 16 16:53:19 * DougReeder waves hello Aug 16 16:55:37 morning DougReeder Aug 16 16:56:00 ShiftyAxel, c'mon...the trains are lovely....when they aren't on strike... Aug 16 16:56:32 I dislike cramped places full of people :P Aug 16 16:56:48 Is alpha testting on LunaCE going well? Aug 16 16:56:55 even moreso when I have to pay an extortionate amount for the privelege… Aug 16 16:57:08 it's pretty good Aug 16 16:57:23 my bug-huntin' shotgun is getting plenty of practice Aug 16 17:49:25 question, I'm not on the alpha feeds Aug 16 17:49:34 can I still just dl the latest version of LunaSysMgr Aug 16 17:49:45 and keep adding some of my changes? Aug 16 17:52:02 dukiedrew: yeah, alpha feeds is purely a preware download thing Aug 16 17:52:08 if you're compiling it doesn't really matter Aug 16 17:53:18 what version is preware downloading? the master branch? Aug 16 17:53:37 No, tagged versions Aug 16 17:54:06 hmm Aug 16 17:54:21 let me rephrase Aug 16 17:54:27 so i should start working on "master" again? Aug 16 17:54:38 not, say features? Aug 16 17:54:47 uhhh Aug 16 17:54:53 * halfhalo doesn't remember Aug 16 17:55:23 features is the branch to work from Aug 16 17:55:35 unless you feel like fixing horrible merge conflicts :) Aug 16 18:02:57 i was just gonna commit a lot of changes where i add tabs with my text editor ;-) Aug 16 18:03:56 add tabs? we already have tabs..? Aug 16 18:04:19 oh i seeee, THOSE tabs Aug 16 18:04:30 yes, that would indeed be a good thing(™) Aug 16 18:04:41 what should the tabs setting be? Aug 16 18:04:45 I use QtCreator Aug 16 18:12:17 'tab character' if it's available Aug 16 18:12:37 I've never used QtCreator Aug 16 18:30:09 ah i see Aug 16 18:30:14 my tab = 2 spaces Aug 16 18:30:31 fixed Aug 16 18:30:45 sweet :) Aug 16 18:30:58 Shifty, where in the UK are you? Aug 16 18:31:17 I'm near Bristol Aug 16 18:31:26 the south-west Aug 16 18:32:08 ah ok. i'm going to scotland for ~3 weeks later this month Aug 16 18:32:54 that's a fair way off Aug 16 18:32:59 business trip? Aug 16 18:33:31 yup. i have a visiting scientist gig there Aug 16 18:34:27 time to head to work. gnite Aug 16 18:48:08 i'm talking with mozilla directly about the openwebos.org thing Aug 16 18:49:10 HaDAk: how'd you wangle that? Aug 16 18:53:25 i went to openwebos.org, clicked contact, and sent an email to the webmaster Aug 16 18:54:13 so, getting anywhere with it? Aug 16 18:54:19 actually, yes. Aug 16 18:54:50 Terry R. ✆ Aug 16 18:54:50 2:38 PM (15 minutes ago) Aug 16 18:54:50 to me, webmaster Aug 16 18:54:50 After reading this link, Aug 16 18:54:50 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2408540,00.asp Aug 16 18:54:51 I have to agree with you. Aug 16 18:54:53 I forwarded this email to someone on staff who will hopefully provide further clarification. Aug 16 18:55:05 also, Aug 16 18:55:06 Boot to Gecko, or Firefox OS is an Open Web OS. The name openwebos.org has nothing to do with WebOS, it only has to do with an OS of and for the Open Web. Aug 16 18:55:06 Our partner Telefonica has used "Open Web Apps" as the name for their apps based on Open Web technologies for a long time. Aug 16 18:55:06 Also, it's not even clear to me who is operating the openwebos.org domain, as it's not registered to Mozilla directly like our other domains. This might be a partner or so who is keeping this domain as a placeholder. Aug 16 18:55:07 How did you even run across this domain? Aug 16 18:55:16 so, i've got two guys there Aug 16 18:56:36 intriguing Aug 16 18:57:09 HaDAk|work: you work for Mozilla? Aug 16 18:57:11 though I -highly- doubt that Mozilla (or whoever) registered the name in ignorance of Open webOS Aug 16 18:57:52 bigbluehat: no Aug 16 18:57:55 We have a few people actually watching this address, and Terry is a volunteer who is so friendly as to reply to them. :) Aug 16 18:57:55 The initial comment sounded quite emotional to me, but coming out of such a heated up IRC discussion without concrete info that might be understandable. Aug 16 18:57:55 Terry already forwarded this, as he said, let's see what comes out of it. If it's really something we control and there is a good reason why that name should go elsewhere, I'm sure a solution can be found, Mozilla is usually quite friendly with other open projects. And we're surely welcoming to anyone who makes the open web move forward and break the current lack of openness, privacy and user control on mobile devices. Aug 16 18:57:55 (Note that this is my personal opinion, I'm not directly involved with our activities in those areas.) Aug 16 18:58:11 sorry...was just trying to place "we" Aug 16 19:00:06 more interestingness Aug 16 19:00:13 well, i guess time will tell Aug 16 19:03:22 "we" is terry and robert. two guys sending these emails. Aug 16 19:05:35 ah, sorry jumping in "late" Aug 16 19:05:47 WHOOT!!!! TouchPad is here!!! :D Aug 16 19:05:54 personally, I'd love to see all these things "collide" and we all work together Aug 16 19:05:57 PatrickC: woot! Aug 16 19:06:12 finally! :D Aug 16 19:06:17 been about 2 months??.. :S Aug 16 19:06:26 repair? Aug 16 19:06:28 what was wrong with it? Aug 16 19:06:38 i broke it, and didn't have time to fix it myself Aug 16 19:06:52 so it sat in my tech drawer for about 1.5 months Aug 16 19:07:04 before i finally sent it into HP for them to fix it because i was too busy haha Aug 16 19:07:10 i borked partitions HaDAk|work Aug 16 19:07:23 had Ubuntu Dualboot, Android, Ubuntu Chroot, and webOS? then tried to doctor heh Aug 16 19:07:33 oops. Aug 16 19:07:40 so, did they charge you? Aug 16 19:07:43 nope Aug 16 19:07:49 i just told them it didn't turn on ;) Aug 16 19:07:51 LUCKY Aug 16 19:08:04 haha Aug 16 19:08:24 i have some friends at HP too ;) Aug 16 19:08:47 that helps Aug 16 19:09:30 didn't have to use them this time, but i have before.. like when the flash memory was broken on my pre2 and i needed it replaced without having to wait the normal 10-15 days heh Aug 16 19:10:17 but now it's taking its sweet time restoring apps :/ Aug 16 19:12:41 doesn't it always? :P Aug 16 19:13:48 it does always, I did a palm profile restore earlier today Aug 16 19:14:07 half the apps just stopped installing and I had to erase them… Aug 16 19:14:25 there should totally be an option in the first use app to restore everything EXCEPT apps, since there's one for the opposite Aug 16 19:14:47 something that can be fixed. ;) Aug 16 19:14:57 hehe Aug 16 19:15:31 i cannot wait for that release! :D Aug 16 19:15:33 bbl Aug 16 19:16:28 shouldn't be too hard to knock together now i think about it Aug 16 19:16:38 the only problem is the testing to make sure it doesn't explode :P Aug 16 19:17:30 ShiftyA: i have about 20 min if you need something tested. Aug 16 19:18:03 bluen: hell yes, woce/LunaSysMgr features branch please :) Aug 16 19:18:13 I fixed the upswipe bug w/Fluid Gestures (at last!) Aug 16 19:18:34 (do you need an IPK built?) Aug 16 19:18:49 we should have a super secret testing branch (pre-alpha) in preware for this kind of thing Aug 16 19:18:50 ShiftyAxel: yes IPK would be awesome Aug 16 19:19:01 actually IPK probably isn't a good idea with the state woce-build is in atm, would a binary do? Aug 16 19:19:39 ehh, pushing stuff to preware is rwhitby's area. I don't have access to build.git so I couldn't throw testing builds at people :P Aug 16 19:20:10 ShiftyAxel: anything i could execute in terminal on the mac, or using wosqi or wterm on the touchpad would work Aug 16 19:20:42 okay, i'll grab the binary and PM it to you via a dropbox link Aug 16 19:20:54 (anybody else want in for testing?) Aug 16 19:21:54 ShiftyAxel: great, just tell me where to download/install and what commands i would need to execute Aug 16 19:23:25 bluen: do you have the latest LunaCE build installed? Aug 16 19:24:10 4.3.2 Aug 16 19:28:52 cool, that should work fine Aug 16 19:39:52 ok so am i looking for keyboard not to popup? Aug 16 19:41:18 no, you're looking for the card view gesture to animate smoothly, with your finger Aug 16 19:41:27 like the app switching gestures Aug 16 19:42:15 it looks great. was it broken before? Aug 16 19:44:41 shiftyAxel: i gave you upload and download privileges to that folder on my external hard drive Aug 16 19:45:54 should it have the same 4.3.2 string? Aug 16 19:46:34 the gesture would work, but there was this weird bug that made it trigger if you tapped twice quickly Aug 16 19:46:46 thus minimizing the card whenever you tried to type Aug 16 19:46:55 and yeah, i haven't updated the string yet Aug 16 19:47:34 well i am tapping twice on browser app page and it zooms in or out but i can still upswipe afterwards and it is fine--if this is what you mean Aug 16 19:50:02 seems fine to type in email or inside page on browser, will try with bluetooth keyboard Aug 16 19:52:39 bluetooth keyboard works ok. i hope someday we can get this bluetooth keyboard working without having to stop and touch screen to switch cards Aug 16 19:53:23 err... there should be a way on stock already Aug 16 19:54:01 bluen: the issue was with touchscreen input, if it detected two touches quickly after eachother it would minimze the card, most noticeable during typing on the VKB Aug 16 19:54:11 and there should… I could swear there's a key for it Aug 16 19:58:58 yes, sorry there is one for bluetooth keyboard Aug 16 19:59:10 bbl Aug 16 20:00:09 ShiftyAxel: if you need anything else tested it later, you can upload to that link and email me Aug 16 20:00:33 looks very smooth Aug 16 20:00:46 folks Aug 16 20:08:19 cheers bluen :) Aug 16 20:08:25 bhuey Aug 16 20:19:39 i used to be an open webos developer like you, then i took an arrow to the knee. Aug 16 20:20:15 * halfhalo hides his crossbow Aug 16 20:26:14 Hallooo Aug 16 20:26:43 * HaDAk|work ducks behind a wall Aug 16 20:27:16 Having some problems getting lunace installed. I couldn't get the alpha feeds to show up despite creating the file as described on the 'adding the alpha woce feeds' page. Aug 16 20:27:43 Tried manually installing lunace but apparently that's not good because it doesn't show up in tweaks as being tweakable. Aug 16 20:29:43 did you follow the instructions on the wiki for getting the alpha feeds to show up? Aug 16 20:29:48 yes Aug 16 20:29:52 But they refuse. Aug 16 20:29:53 it requires removing and reinstalling preware Aug 16 20:30:13 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Aug 16 20:30:16 yes, those. Aug 16 20:30:55 I even had Arthur Thornton do it to make sure I'm not just an idiot and it doesn't work for him, either. Aug 16 20:31:06 hhahahahahahahah Aug 16 20:31:16 HaDAk: you're lucky I wasn't watching the channel when you made that skyrim reference *puts away the shotgun* Aug 16 20:31:38 halfhalo: Don't laugh, I'm going to make you do it next. Aug 16 20:31:47 meeting! Aug 16 20:31:48 Apparently I'm the only one who can. Aug 16 20:31:55 lol Aug 16 20:32:02 Roy__: so to confirm, you uninstalled preware, made the files and then reinstalled? Aug 16 20:32:07 yes Aug 16 20:32:30 I even doctored the durn touchpad and started with a blank slate and it didn't work. Aug 16 20:32:47 did you enable the feeds in pre ware? Aug 16 20:32:51 they don't show up in manage feeds? Aug 16 20:32:57 I thought maybe it was because I had to download an older preware before upgrading so I tried once going right to 1.9.12 Aug 16 20:33:00 They do not. Aug 16 20:33:17 hm Aug 16 20:33:22 Arthur somehow manually added the feed from the shell but it doesn't display them. Aug 16 20:33:35 that's not a good idea... Aug 16 20:34:04 do you still have the terminal open from running the commands? Aug 16 20:34:11 * halfhalo is laughing hysterically Aug 16 20:34:34 if you pastebin the contents I may be able to help troubleshoot Aug 16 20:34:50 What is this Gram thing about? Aug 16 20:35:06 halfhalo: either you're mean or you know who Roy__ is :p Aug 16 20:35:10 bastard handed me the touchpad. Aug 16 20:35:39 GodGinrai: it's the new name for the PSG Aug 16 20:35:47 ...ah :p Aug 16 20:35:57 that would explain it Aug 16 20:36:55 I don't remember what PSG means. Palm...what? Aug 16 20:37:05 That's Mr. Bastard to you. Aug 16 20:37:16 lol Aug 16 20:38:13 come get your touchpad. Aug 16 20:38:35 Did you fix it? Aug 16 20:38:41 yes Aug 16 20:38:54 What was wrong? Aug 16 20:39:08 you never enabled alpha feeds Aug 16 20:39:17 lol Aug 16 20:39:26 Where do you do that if not in Manage Feeds? Aug 16 20:39:38 cli Aug 16 20:39:50 you enabled alpha-woce, not alpha. you need both Aug 16 20:40:09 Well. Aug 16 20:40:28 This is like the third person who has done that Aug 16 20:40:51 Instructions ftl. Aug 16 20:41:40 hehe Aug 16 20:42:09 Did you finish installing lunace? Aug 16 20:42:24 no. thats your problem. I just fixed preware Aug 16 20:42:24 Or just enable the feed? Aug 16 20:42:57 I'm having an important meeting with other grownups. Aug 16 20:43:07 bahahahahahahahaha Aug 16 20:43:09 Oh, and Arthur. Aug 16 20:45:56 GodGinrai: Palm Systems Group, basically Palm post-buyouy Aug 16 20:46:10 s/buyout/buyout/ Aug 16 20:46:45 feh, spellcheck ftl. only works when it's least useful. Aug 16 20:48:49 Ah, Palm Systems Group came to mind, but I wasn't sure Aug 16 20:49:44 I thought PSG was an HP thing. Personal Systems Group. Aug 16 20:50:13 Palm post buyout was HP webOS GBU Aug 16 20:52:05 I supopse it was Palm GBU for a bit? Aug 16 20:54:21 actually yeah, that does sound more like it... my memory is a wee bit hazy Aug 16 20:54:57 either way, gram is the new palm/webOS thing as far as I can tell Aug 16 20:55:56 ah, ok, well I got to go, so I'll see you guys later Aug 16 21:02:58 hey 2.2.4 supports websockets. wonder if they crash out like 3.0.5 does Aug 16 21:11:55 EricBlade: 5 buckquids on yes absolutely Aug 16 21:21:55 ShiftyAxel: you win! Aug 16 21:28:12 wahey, fictional currency! Aug 16 21:28:54 * ShiftyAxel buys himself a tealatte with his buckquids Aug 16 21:31:21 shiftyaxel, do you need people to test stuff? Aug 16 21:40:09 citrus: yeah, do you have a build environment set up? Aug 16 21:40:54 whichever one of you just committed a tweak to turn off tap ripple, i love you Aug 16 21:42:04 i like water Aug 16 21:42:17 make the tap ripple have an ocean side and I'm in Aug 16 21:42:22 ocean sound Aug 16 21:42:25 grr Aug 16 21:43:04 ShortfAlls: I will again real quick here. I had it on my test machine, which just got wiped to try windows 8. Aug 16 21:43:35 heh, touchpad autocorrect. Aug 16 21:47:34 oh nooo, not Win8 Aug 16 21:47:51 I've had that one before :P Aug 16 21:48:06 (the os AND the autocorrect) Aug 16 21:48:32 woce/LunaSysMgr, features branch Aug 16 21:49:37 in terms of what you should test, it's the fluid gesture detection. up swipe Aug 16 21:49:45 got it. Aug 16 21:50:00 EricBlade: someone killed the tap ripple? Aug 16 21:50:14 it better have a tweak... Aug 16 21:51:14 it looks so, https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/39/files Aug 16 21:57:24 HP has registered the Internet domain name gr.am. according to allthingsD Aug 16 22:04:09 bluen, yup, they did Aug 16 22:12:48 oh I see, it's a pull request. good good, more functionality is always welcome :) Aug 16 22:24:07 * LarrySteeze|Cell stumbles in and accidentally knocks rrix, ShiftyAxel, and ka6sox over Aug 16 22:25:02 I think I need to order so. E Aug 16 22:25:21 Errr... Aug 16 22:25:42 I think I need to do some wiki work very soon Aug 16 22:26:24 * ShiftyAxel gets up, dusts himself off and adjusts his hat Aug 16 22:26:51 ShiftyAxel, any luck with the keyboard? Aug 16 22:26:57 morning LarrySteeze|Away, wiki work? Aug 16 22:27:02 yes! Aug 16 22:27:08 I fixed iy Aug 16 22:27:10 Sweet! Aug 16 22:27:17 Where was it? Aug 16 22:28:00 a lovely mix of SystemUiController, CardViewGestureRecognizer and CardWindowManager Aug 16 22:28:34 it's the latest commit in wife/LunaSysMgr features branch Aug 16 22:28:43 Odd. I suspected the recognizer Aug 16 22:28:50 Wife? Aug 16 22:28:54 woce Aug 16 22:28:57 Heh Aug 16 22:29:02 getting used to a new autocorrect Aug 16 22:29:03 Features? Aug 16 22:29:06 yup Aug 16 22:29:08 Ok Aug 16 22:29:14 testers welcome ;) Aug 16 22:29:23 I'll have to look at the commits Aug 16 22:29:50 You know, I'm happy to test, but I never have time to code! Aug 16 22:29:50 yeah, I'm not entirely sure how I fixed it, but I know the latest commit is the fix Aug 16 22:30:23 It's okay though, I'm not as much of a ninja as you Aug 16 22:31:17 As you can probably tell from my nick, I'm on the road atm, but when I get home Aug 16 22:31:37 I seriously hate this phone Aug 16 22:31:56 haha, what phone? Aug 16 22:32:01 Soft keyboards drive me nuts Aug 16 22:32:06 Evo 3d Aug 16 22:32:11 shiny Aug 16 22:32:30 though the 3d always struck me as a little gimmicky on a phone Aug 16 22:32:36 I have a pre 3 that I love, but I'm on Sprint Aug 16 22:32:49 I didn't get it for the 3d Aug 16 22:32:58 I figured :p Aug 16 22:33:08 It was the best phone at the time specified wise Aug 16 22:35:07 Specs, not specified Aug 16 22:35:50 I figured ;) Aug 16 22:36:44 it's a shame about the differing carrier technologies over there Aug 16 22:37:43 Yeah Aug 16 22:41:45 isn't it going to be the same thing with LTE? different bands per carrier, or something? Aug 16 22:44:55 that's never good... Aug 16 22:45:29 is LTE going to be SIM-based or like CDMA? anyone know? Aug 16 22:45:46 SIM based Aug 16 22:45:51 goooood Aug 16 22:46:10 verizon and ATT have found a way to still maintain incompatibility though Aug 16 22:46:26 the bands? Aug 16 22:46:48 one of them is band 13 Aug 16 22:47:05 Verizon, I believe, but ATT uses a different one Aug 16 22:56:44 hmm. apparently boot to gecko is now running on nokia n9 Aug 16 23:00:03 hm, and I'm guessing the chance of phones that support both is slim? Aug 16 23:00:27 at least phones won't be tied to the networks quite so much anymore Aug 16 23:19:26 ShiftyAxel: I'm going to say that is correct Aug 16 23:52:47 good morning all Aug 16 23:53:27 morning k4ever Aug 16 23:53:30 good morning k4ever Aug 16 23:54:28 hey folks Aug 16 23:55:43 I update to LunaCE 4.3.2. it seems like the menu and app animations are slower than normal on this build. Aug 16 23:56:34 are you folks noticing that also? Aug 16 23:56:42 k4ever: device/app menus? Aug 16 23:58:26 the "app drawer" comes up slower and application start animations (card view) are slower Aug 16 23:59:22 did you have any of the faster cards patches installed? Aug 17 00:00:21 the launcher animation's been modified, we didn't change the card anims though... Aug 17 00:00:33 as a matter of fact yes I did/still do Aug 17 00:01:12 if you had patches installed, we could have overwritten some of the files Aug 17 00:01:24 if they modified lunaAnimations.conf, they will have been blown away Aug 17 00:01:47 so I need to reinstall the patch? Aug 17 00:01:56 most likely Aug 17 00:03:04 ok, I will do that now, then come back and report the results Aug 17 00:07:32 ok, the faster card animation hyper patch will not remove. gives me an error Aug 17 00:08:28 him, this is a bad thing Aug 17 00:08:32 *hm Aug 17 00:08:55 should I run the epr? Aug 17 00:09:35 that'll fix it, yeah Aug 17 00:10:16 this isn't a good thing for LunaCE to do though... Aug 17 00:10:28 strange that 4.3.2 allowed you to install it with a modified lunaAnimations.conf Aug 17 00:10:33 or did you do a recovery first? Aug 17 00:11:18 ShiftyAxel: conflicting items modifying the same file will always cause this behaviour Aug 17 00:11:27 it had me install the palm lsm before I could update to 4.3.2 Aug 17 00:11:43 good Aug 17 00:12:35 i think i also had to do recovery last night w 4.3.2 (not with today's afternoon interim testing build) Aug 17 00:13:30 rwhitby: looks like a different approach is in order. would setting up a woce-patches feed be feasible? Aug 17 00:14:08 that way we could recommend patches to use with LunaCE, but leave the choice with the user Aug 17 00:16:46 I like watching your minds at work. so for right now should I run the epr? Aug 17 00:17:20 bluen: you will always have to do a recovery after testing any of our "nightlies" Aug 17 00:17:40 ShiftyAxel: patches to lunaAnimations.conf need to be turned into tweaks to LunaCE Aug 17 00:17:45 and you'll never have to do a recovery to install one, because you are using novacom Aug 17 00:18:47 you're simply replacing a file. there's no "check safe" Aug 17 00:18:54 rwhitby: that can certainly be done, though it'll probably require an update to tweaks to avoid cluttering Preferences with a shitload of duplicate animation values Aug 17 00:20:11 larrysteeze: i think the recovery was between 2 preware builds as I had already taken off a testing build before installing the first preware build. Aug 17 00:20:24 unless I add a toggle to switch between hard coded and .conf values, that would probably be more elegant Aug 17 01:25:47 heading off now, nn all! Aug 17 01:28:37 night Aug 17 01:29:12 btw, got woce-be setup and I'm playing with fluid upswipes Aug 17 01:29:16 have a good night ShiftyAxel Aug 17 01:29:36 citrus: you a dev? Aug 17 01:30:06 complete noob, but yeah, I guess. Aug 17 01:30:48 please feel free to delve into the code and let us know if you need help understanding anything Aug 17 01:31:02 thanks :) Aug 17 01:31:06 are you familiar with how to use github? Aug 17 01:32:28 heh, no, very new to it. I've cloned lunasysmgr to my vagrant install. Aug 17 01:32:53 ok Aug 17 01:33:00 well, I'm here to help you with that if you need it too Aug 17 01:37:31 morning. did an epr on my touchpad. reinstalled the patches and everything is running great so far. Aug 17 01:39:32 k4ever: glad to hear it Aug 17 01:51:18 anyone around? Aug 17 01:53:28 well I'm heading off to bed. good night all. Aug 17 01:53:43 nobody around to test something? Aug 17 01:53:47 good night k4ever Aug 17 02:18:16 * rrix meows Aug 17 02:26:39 rrix? Aug 17 02:26:50 LarrySteeze :) Aug 17 02:26:57 you going to be up for a bit? Aug 17 02:28:06 LarrySteeze: yup, what's up? Aug 17 02:28:43 well, I'm going to bed Aug 17 02:28:54 and I wanted to know if you may be a resource for someone Aug 17 02:28:58 haha, ok Aug 17 02:29:00 Whom? Aug 17 02:29:00 also, I have a binary for you to test Aug 17 02:29:05 if you are able Aug 17 02:29:11 I can email it Aug 17 02:29:17 Sure, send it to me, or tell me where I can get it Aug 17 02:29:26 LarrySteeze: you have my email address :) Aug 17 02:29:35 I took my dropbox and pogoplug offline Aug 17 02:29:36 I'll email it Aug 17 02:30:28 rrix: citrusfruit Aug 17 02:30:37 orange Aug 17 02:30:37 he's a newcomer Aug 17 02:30:43 citrusfruit: hi! Aug 17 02:31:02 I've been "guiding" him in PM Aug 17 02:31:13 Cool Aug 17 02:31:16 girl, actually >.> Aug 17 02:31:26 oh, sorry Aug 17 02:31:29 :) Aug 17 02:31:37 so used to us all being guys Aug 17 02:31:40 hehe Aug 17 02:31:55 * EricBlade-TP hides Aug 17 02:32:03 * rrix tickles EricBlade-TP Aug 17 02:32:49 you can't do that. I'm hiding. Aug 17 02:33:07 EricBlade-TP: down to test a binary? Aug 17 02:33:28 * rrix $(EricBlade-TP).setAttribute('visible', true); Aug 17 02:33:45 LarrySteeze: I'm not at home Aug 17 02:33:59 ok Aug 17 02:34:44 rrix: undefined is not a function Aug 17 02:34:47 citrusfruit: I'm sorry I have to leave you before you have the build complete Aug 17 02:34:51 YOUR NOT A FUNCTION Aug 17 02:34:59 we'll get it working Aug 17 02:35:05 citrusfruit: but you're in good hands with rrix and EricBlade. They're both good at what they do Aug 17 02:35:24 oh, rrix, I need to email you the binary Aug 17 02:35:29 LarrySteeze: <3 Aug 17 02:36:08 except I'm out drinking tonight Aug 17 02:36:12 rrix: sent. the version string is even updated this time Aug 17 02:36:25 citrusfruit: on second thought, don't trust ericBlade-Tp Aug 17 02:36:29 LarrySteeze: I'll stick it on a device and test it shortly Aug 17 02:36:36 I trust anyone who's more drunk than I am Aug 17 02:36:41 oh, ok. Aug 17 02:36:52 * rrix gives EricBlade-TP his home address Aug 17 02:38:21 for why...? Aug 17 02:38:33 trust! Aug 17 02:39:26 if tab view resized the app into it and had it running in the view that'd be so boss Aug 17 02:39:49 eh? Aug 17 02:40:25 and had the tops running across top. Aug 17 02:40:40 its my personal wishlist for dukiedrew Aug 17 02:40:46 ericblade-tp what is your IP and ssh key? Aug 17 02:41:00 EricBlade-TP: Make him do it! Aug 17 02:41:08 actually don't tell us o.o Aug 17 02:41:09 hmm. the slimey face keys don't work in 4.3.1 Aug 17 02:41:19 upgrade to 4.3.3 Aug 17 02:41:36 citrusfruit: I'm going to be messing with some scripts for my hackerspace in the background, please ping me with my name if you need any help and I will be around :) Aug 17 02:41:46 kk, thank you Aug 17 02:42:38 EricBlade-TP: I just don't understand the wording, I guess - "resized the app into it" Aug 17 02:43:10 rrix: did you test the binary? Aug 17 02:43:14 I'm trying to go to bed here Aug 17 02:45:02 I see what he means now but he left, lol Aug 17 02:45:34 heh Aug 17 02:45:36 oh. I get it. and that'd be very snazzy, with Enyo apps. Aug 17 02:46:01 hmm. wirc plugin crashed or something Aug 17 02:46:15 he's baaack Aug 17 02:46:56 who Aug 17 02:49:46 ^^^ Aug 17 02:49:54 Me! Aug 17 02:55:58 so gram took a lesson from me in url purchasing. Aug 17 02:56:42 I didn't think there'd be any more 4 character domains open anymore after the big url shortener surge a few years ago **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 17 02:59:58 2012