**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 18 03:00:00 2012 Aug 18 03:00:29 almost working, you can't do upswipe but you can do side swipe Aug 18 03:00:59 upswipe works for me Aug 18 03:01:27 not for me Aug 18 03:03:31 bluen: thank you Aug 18 03:04:29 its nice the way it works with kindle also. was able to type. was able to do swipe and slide Aug 18 03:04:35 EricBlade: why...rough day cause I can't afford things like that. its been chewing into my sleep patterns...I'm averaging 3-4 hrs/niht Aug 18 03:06:12 pds work fine in viewer Aug 18 03:06:42 i dont have any patches installed Aug 18 03:08:59 * lagoldste goes home Aug 18 03:09:03 *poof* Aug 18 03:09:08 music keeps playing in music app even when i switch cards, also keeps playing in rockus sound machine Aug 18 03:10:56 I'm glad it's working for you Aug 18 03:12:54 trying to see if video keeps playing even when i switch cards, went to videoflood player and looked at fox but fox is flash11 so cant be played on touchpad Aug 18 03:14:06 msnbc works, video kept playing for awhile even when i switched cards, then it went into spinning circle Aug 18 03:15:03 you're testing stuff we haven't changed now o.o Aug 18 03:15:12 also the videoflood app showed up in the tabs stack i made with glimpse but you can't touch the videoflood tab there, hmmn Aug 18 03:15:44 ok larrysteeze, just information here Aug 18 03:15:49 hmm Aug 18 03:16:07 cool enough for me to start looking at these other things, thats the point--very very fluid now, very impressive Aug 18 03:16:12 ok Aug 18 03:16:17 glad to hear it :D Aug 18 03:18:17 we get the browser fixed and some of the bugs and PSG's new mobile tablet division becomes a footnote 'round here (my password never stays in pop email, maybe owos fixed this) Aug 18 03:19:00

EricBlade: why...rough day cause I can't afford things like that. its been chewing into my sleep patterns...I'm averaging 3-4 hrs/niht Aug 18 03:19:28 i'm getting an image now of charlie brown christmas where charlie brings in the drooping christmas tree, everyone gathers around it and it gets strong and starts growing again (webos=the tree) Aug 18 03:20:07 heh Aug 18 03:20:13 gotta reboot my to. back shortly. Aug 18 03:20:20 resizing partitions. Aug 18 03:24:48 I have to go to bed Aug 18 03:24:56 I can't stay awake 24/7 Aug 18 03:25:00 have a good night all! Aug 18 03:26:49 night Aug 18 03:49:35 that took a while Aug 18 03:54:25 this weather is killin me Aug 18 03:58:17 killng me too... Aug 18 04:00:58 ditto Aug 18 04:04:11 we need to find a way to have two apps side by side or vertically so Aug 18 04:10:11 interesting Aug 18 04:12:58 probably not hard to do Aug 18 04:24:23 so, who can test 4.3.4 before I announce it? Aug 18 04:25:10 need someone who has 4.3.2 installed, to test the upgrade Aug 18 04:25:23 I technically can Aug 18 04:30:51 and the result is? Aug 18 04:30:52 if I dont come back, it didnt work, and you owe me a beer. Aug 18 04:31:10 nope, you took the risk under the alpha testing rules. Aug 18 04:31:25 if it works, you owe me a beer. if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. Aug 18 04:31:30 no way. I wont give up beer. Aug 18 04:31:56 * rwhitby releases anyway then Aug 18 04:32:25 now if it doesn't work for lots of people, I'll just blame you for not testing it ;) Aug 18 04:37:10 ºµğ¡ ™hę kęÿböª®ð ïş b®ºkęñ¡ Aug 18 04:38:11 jk. it looks and feels amazing. love it. Aug 18 04:38:26 fluid is finally useable Aug 18 04:38:38 kinsa Aug 18 04:38:42 wtf just Aug 18 04:39:32 thats broken badly Aug 18 04:39:38 dont announce this. Aug 18 04:42:02 just set to fluid and upswiped from wirc with the keyboard open. it went to shit after that. Aug 18 04:43:15 whats your email? ill send screenshots. Aug 18 04:45:08 *crickets* Aug 18 04:45:21 *ribbet* Aug 18 04:47:29 * HaDAk-TP blinks Aug 18 04:49:29 and the announcement goes out anyway Aug 18 04:49:33 typical. Aug 18 04:50:25 HaDAk-TP, what happened? Aug 18 04:50:41 bugs everywhere Aug 18 04:51:13 i have pictures i can email Aug 18 04:51:39 just put them in the issue tracker for ShiftyAxel|Away to look at tomorrow Aug 18 04:52:11 hurk Aug 18 04:52:30 i'll just catch him tomorrow Aug 18 04:55:13 imma get some shuteye Aug 18 04:56:02 nite HaDAk-TP Aug 18 05:50:52 4.3.4 installed over 4.3.2 real nice! Aug 18 05:53:22 if you find anything that is broken (different from 4.3.2) please put them in issues.webos-ports.org Aug 18 05:54:22 k Aug 18 05:55:28 fluid works with tabs (but I still like "slide" more) Aug 18 05:57:18 kayphoonstar: ah good, the upgrade worked Aug 18 06:02:37 rwhitby: very smooth so far- I like that 'show device name as carrier' is back! Aug 18 06:25:18 * EricBlade goes to install the update Aug 18 06:27:14 hey i noticed some weird things with notification positioning in 4.3.2 .. is that known, or did someone possibly absorb part of my 2x dashboard patch accidentally? Aug 18 06:29:00 hey it upgraded! Aug 18 06:31:37 as predicted Aug 18 06:35:00 * EricBlade cheers for rwhitby Aug 18 06:39:32 wow! just saw the new card open full screen. nice. Aug 18 06:48:58 ? Aug 18 06:50:46 i got a bug! Aug 18 06:53:23 http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/65 Aug 18 07:10:25 yup. Aug 18 07:12:48 it's almost a feature - 'quick LunaCE restart'. Aug 18 08:13:24 https://plus.google.com/113386402913695079840/posts/Fc7o5eQ4s1X - libhybris, Hybris is a solution that commits hybris, by allowing us to use bionic-based HW adaptations in glibc systems. Practically, if you know what libdl is, this is a libdl-API-like implementation that happens to be able to load Android libraries, and overrides some symbols from bionic with glibc based ones. Aug 18 08:15:36 /quit Aug 18 09:27:48 folks Aug 18 09:28:05 * bhuey reading the new regarding HP's new mobile strategy hire Aug 18 09:28:12 news.. Aug 18 09:30:25 Stskeeps, the biggest issue we have currently is the lack of video support for ARM based solutions... Aug 18 09:30:39 is this method good enough to abstract Video thru? Aug 18 09:30:39 video or gpu? Aug 18 09:30:46 GPU Aug 18 09:31:07 ie GLES Aug 18 09:31:08 i'd think so, isn't android mostly openmax? Aug 18 09:31:16 iirc yes Aug 18 09:31:25 and yes, my gpudemo shows gles Aug 18 09:33:10 so build an android based kernel, abstract this all thru libhybris and be happy? Aug 18 09:33:55 that's the idea Aug 18 09:34:11 i run unmodified gles app on there Aug 18 09:34:50 okay we should talk when it is not 2:34am here... Aug 18 09:35:01 this I find very interesting.. Aug 18 09:35:11 k Aug 18 09:35:24 but right now I'm keyboard diving Aug 18 11:08:43 morning all Aug 18 11:09:31 lunace 4.3.2 won't uninstall or update Aug 18 11:54:47 hi all Aug 18 11:54:55 hope someone is up Aug 18 13:55:42 morning all Aug 18 13:56:01 k4ever: you still around/having issues? Aug 18 16:02:58 well lunace 4.3.2 screwed up some things, plus it would not uninstall. i had to take a visit to the doctor. now i'm going through the painful process of watching my over 120 apps get reinstalled Aug 18 16:03:37 i'm hoping that 4.3.4 is more stable Aug 18 16:04:47 did you try to install the recovery lsm before you nuked everything back to stock? Aug 18 16:06:37 ShiftyAxel: yes. the recovery install right next to lunace instead of removing it. i ended up having two version luna on my touchpad Aug 18 16:06:59 the app icon doesn't necessarily represent that it's installed Aug 18 16:07:15 if recovery luna installed then you probably didn't need to doctor... Aug 18 16:07:18 120+ apps plus setting up preware and feeds has taken me some hours, I usually just set it aside for a half a day and go do something else Aug 18 16:07:25 i then tried to remove lunace but i got an error. Aug 18 16:08:22 yeah, if you recover without uninstalling LunaCE first it will error, but it's no longer using LunaCE Aug 18 16:08:32 i finally tried to manually install the old palm lsm, but then the touchpad locked up and never recovered. Aug 18 16:09:20 bluen: i know what you mean. it is like watching paint dry Aug 18 16:09:53 k4ever: paint dries faster, it doesn't not install and require you to do it all over again Aug 18 16:10:46 it wouldn't be so bad if i didn't have some high end gameloft games that take forever to install. Aug 18 16:11:25 put on a good movie or go to a good restaurant and come back Aug 18 16:11:36 oh well. sad part about it is that after all this i'm eager to install 4.3.4. i think i may be mentally unstable :) Aug 18 16:12:50 perhaps doctoring so quickly should be avoided in future Aug 18 16:13:03 we would have been able to fix it if you'd waited for someone to come online Aug 18 16:13:08 morning LarrySteeze Aug 18 16:13:20 morning Aug 18 16:13:23 what was the issue? Aug 18 16:14:11 k4ever doctored his TP... Aug 18 16:14:20 Why? What was wrong with it? Aug 18 16:14:47 ShiftyAxel: no biggy. i expected to do it at least once during this process Aug 18 16:15:12 I know k4ever has been pretty patient with issues, he waited for a while before I could walk him through fixing accounts Aug 18 16:15:41 k4ever: was there a debilitating bug that you ran into? Aug 18 16:15:50 LarrySteeze: I screwed it up by trying to manually uninstall lunace 4.3.2. Aug 18 16:16:10 what happened? stuck on hp logo? Aug 18 16:16:22 it failed to update to 4.3.4. it would let me downgrade using preware. Aug 18 16:16:36 yes. got stuck on the hp logo Aug 18 16:16:36 I could have helped you with novaterm Aug 18 16:17:03 well i chock it up as a lesson learned. Aug 18 16:17:10 ok Aug 18 16:17:16 if you run into something like that in the future Aug 18 16:17:25 do you know the novacom put command? Aug 18 16:17:38 you will want to put the LunaSysMgr binary in /usr/bin Aug 18 16:17:45 then reboot Aug 18 16:17:56 you'll need to mount and such, but that's the basics of it Aug 18 16:17:56 i've done some amazing repairs on my touchpad without using the doctor. this time it caught up with me.. Aug 18 16:18:56 LarrySteeze: yes. i used the put command to try an put the old palm lsm back on. thats when it locked up. Aug 18 16:19:24 put some great music on your stereo and go take a walk with the dog. or feed the goldfish, fry an omelette, fix your car, fit yourself into new clothes... Aug 18 16:19:31 Still have the terminal log by chance? Aug 18 16:20:15 I've seen people (and I've accidentally done it myself) have a typo in the filepath of the source file, which ends up overwriting LSM with a blank file Aug 18 16:20:23 hold on Aug 18 16:20:33 if you do, pastebin Aug 18 16:20:54 novacom run -- file:///sbin/stop LunaSysMgr Aug 18 16:21:07 novacom run file://bin/mount -- -o remount,rw / Aug 18 16:21:30 novacom put file:///usr/bin/LunaSysMgr ./LunaSysMgr Aug 18 16:21:45 that one is the typical culprit Aug 18 16:21:54 i had the old lsm in my home directory Aug 18 16:22:03 were you navigated to the home directory? Aug 18 16:22:12 excuted the commands from there Aug 18 16:22:12 in terminal, that is Aug 18 16:22:12 should be 'novacom put file://usr/bin/LunaSysMgr < ~/LunaSysMgr' Aug 18 16:22:25 the < is vital Aug 18 16:22:36 ah, didn't even notice the < Aug 18 16:22:40 was missing Aug 18 16:22:52 ShiftyAxel: now i feel like an idiot Aug 18 16:23:12 no need to feel like an idiot Aug 18 16:23:21 indeed, it's an easy omission to make Aug 18 16:23:29 I think I may re-work some of the wiki to help people understand some of the process Aug 18 16:23:30 jsut chalk it up as a learning experience :) Aug 18 16:23:55 yep :) Aug 18 16:24:06 so what got added to 4.3.4? Aug 18 16:24:14 bug fixes Aug 18 16:24:41 k4ever: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/commits/features Aug 18 16:24:46 yesterdays and todays commits Aug 18 16:24:49 do you guys post a change log for each update? Aug 18 16:25:01 beat me to the punch Aug 18 16:25:33 there's a wiki page too http://webos-ports.org/wiki/LunaCE_Versions Aug 18 16:25:44 shiftyaxel: you gave it to me like this novacom put file://usr/bin/LunaSysMgr < ./LunaSysMgr Aug 18 16:26:19 I did, but k4ever didn't say where he ran it from until after I posted it, hence the ~ symbol Aug 18 16:26:31 ok Aug 18 16:26:39 thanks:) Aug 18 16:26:49 bluen: that's how I gave it to you too, but we both gave you the specific instruction to run it from within that directory Aug 18 16:26:58 got it Aug 18 16:27:23 becuase k4ever stated he had it in his home directory, that is designated the "~/" filepath Aug 18 16:27:29 (~ = homedir for future reference) Aug 18 16:27:43 stop starting my sentences for me! :P Aug 18 16:27:54 it's ok, you just did it to me Aug 18 16:29:45 yes the ./ is used to run a command or file from the current directory. the ~/ is shorthand for the path to the home directory Aug 18 16:30:13 . = current dir, .. = parent dir Aug 18 16:31:04 which is why when I'm several directories in and I'm feeling adventurous, instead of typing cd /LunaSysMgr, I'll type something like cd ../../../.. :D Aug 18 16:31:15 YES! :D Aug 18 16:31:31 blind directory climbing is great fun, and sometimes disastrous Aug 18 16:31:32 mostly when I don't want to bother with caps Aug 18 16:31:45 nah, as long as you look at where you end up, you're good Aug 18 16:32:06 the .. was used in DOS to go back a directory but do not know the linux command Aug 18 16:32:17 cd ../ Aug 18 16:32:32 ah, DOS... Aug 18 16:32:37 you don't need the / Aug 18 16:32:42 cd .. works great Aug 18 16:32:58 bluen: another cool thing is that if you type the first couple of letters of the directory you want to got to then hit the tab, the terminal will fill in the rest of the directory name for you Aug 18 16:33:07 and if you don't feel like going anywhere, you can type cd . Aug 18 16:33:36 the little tron guy inside your computer runs in circles if you do that Aug 18 16:34:13 bluen: you should also familiarize yourself with cp or rsync Aug 18 16:34:31 larrysteeves,L cool--k4ever: not happening in terminal mac Aug 18 16:34:35 especially if you decide to start building within vagrant but want to use your host machine to transfer files Aug 18 16:34:53 bluen: it's case-sensitiv Aug 18 16:34:59 s/sensitiv/sensitive Aug 18 16:35:03 i apologize, though you were on linux Aug 18 16:35:14 works just the same on mac :P Aug 18 16:35:24 larrysteezes: just got the mac on mountain lion back to parity with snow leopard so don't want to do too much with it Aug 18 16:35:30 i'm amazed that mac doesn't do that. windows does it also Aug 18 16:35:39 lol...nobody can get my name right! Aug 18 16:35:47 took days to fix some things including some weird bug that make the temp spike Aug 18 16:35:49 k4ever: it does do that Aug 18 16:35:49 I'm either LarrySteeves or LarrySteezes Aug 18 16:36:08 bluen: it won't notify him if you don't spell it right Aug 18 16:36:14 bluen: vagrant keeps dev work separate Aug 18 16:36:16 hi, I'm having a CRASH! LunaSysMgr every time a try to boot the touchpad. It started after trying to update from 4.3.2 to 4.3.3. Can someone help me debug it? Aug 18 16:36:35 bluen: also, parity w/snow leopard? Aug 18 16:36:40 blake01: can you explain exactly what is happening? Aug 18 16:37:17 also, did we release 4.3.3? For some reason, I thought we skipped directly to 4.3.4 Aug 18 16:37:21 larrysteeze: you need an acronym that is shorter; shiftyaxel: yes parity w/ snow leopard in terms of file sharing Aug 18 16:37:34 ah, that parity Aug 18 16:37:59 LS? Aug 18 16:38:09 LarrySteeze, you're a terminal command! Aug 18 16:38:24 that I am Aug 18 16:38:40 I prefer lsconfig though Aug 18 16:38:52 or lsusb Aug 18 16:39:25 lsmod? Aug 18 16:39:25 larrytate Aug 18 16:39:25 i'll be sampleproc Aug 18 16:39:34 leisurelarry Aug 18 16:39:44 By the way: can anyone around please retweet this? https://twitter.com/LarrySteeze/status/236585644137263105 Aug 18 16:40:00 I try to update from 4.3.2 to 4.3.3 and it refused due to /ect/event.d/LunaSysMgr, I installed the recovery file and it still refused to install, so I installed the file from the webos doctor and then it installed fine, but when I rebooted it kept looping at the HP logo. Aug 18 16:40:01 * ShiftyAxel is way ahead of you Aug 18 16:40:41 maybe got confused with the version numbers, maybe it was from 4.3.1 to 4.3.2 Aug 18 16:40:42 blake01: it refused because of /etc/event.d/LunaSysMgr? do you have a log of that? Aug 18 16:40:49 loungelizardlarry Aug 18 16:40:54 bluen: too long Aug 18 16:41:05 but you can shorten it to lll Aug 18 16:41:08 bluen: that will be easier for you to type than my name? Aug 18 16:41:23 you could just copy/paste Aug 18 16:41:24 yes to was what I so on the preware logs Aug 18 16:41:25 larrysteeze, what is a steeze? Aug 18 16:41:30 that is your problem Aug 18 16:41:36 blake01: i meant letter-for-letter Aug 18 16:41:46 specifics are kind of a requirement when debugging Aug 18 16:41:55 bluen: I think it's a surname Aug 18 16:41:55 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=steeze Aug 18 16:42:25 larrysteeze: ahh, that might help Aug 18 16:42:31 i still like lll Aug 18 16:43:09 blake01: you'll need to use some terminal (or dos) commands to fix this Aug 18 16:43:19 blake01: what is your current OS? Aug 18 16:43:28 I will look for the exact log Aug 18 16:43:45 I has access to terminal, I'm using fedora Aug 18 16:44:55 do you have novacom installed? Aug 18 16:45:12 yes, the only way I was able to boot the TP was by ssh or novaterm and stopping luna Aug 18 16:46:19 if I send you to a link to a page explaining how to replace LSM manually, will you understand the commands enough to change filepaths to the correct ones? Aug 18 16:46:38 if not, someone here can help you (I have to close up at work and head home shortly) Aug 18 16:47:44 yes, but I already try replacing the LSM with the one from 3.0.5 doctor and it keep doing the same thing (looping HP logo with artifacts) every time I boot. Aug 18 16:48:53 never mind Aug 18 16:48:58 I pastebinned Aug 18 16:49:08 http://pastebin.com/9zhVtAzf Aug 18 16:49:39 try it with the 4.3.4 LSM binary Aug 18 16:50:36 ok will try and report results Aug 18 16:53:39 scoutcamper, ShiftyAxel: I have to close up shop here at work. Either of you able to help blake01 the rest of the way? Aug 18 16:55:29 blake01: if nobody responds, don't fret, I'll be back on in likely about an hour Aug 18 16:55:31 adios amigos! Aug 18 16:55:45 adios Aug 18 17:06:05 I have the same problem after replacing LSM binary with 4.3.4. Here is the log of the original error that brought me to this problem http://pastebin.com/xmY9PnsR Aug 18 17:36:28 blake01: that log is the expected feedback Aug 18 17:36:52 what's happening now, however, is not Aug 18 17:37:11 is your touchpad making any sounds? Aug 18 17:42:35 No sounds, every time I try to boot the TP it keeps looping in the HP log. It glows rapidly some times with artifacts (not smooth). It doesn't but unless I stop LSM. If I look at dmesg I see it crashing repeatedly with "minicore_launch: CRASH! LunaSysMgr(21929) received 11. Waiting up to 60s for minicore to attach. " Aug 18 17:46:22 Here is a sample of dmesg http://pastebin.com/DxF68g5g Aug 18 17:47:50 blake01: that would still say to me that there is an issue with the LSM binary Aug 18 17:48:03 can you give me an md5sum of the 4.3.4 binary you used? Aug 18 17:49:36 cd6a3e17e6704d2b2cfb96aa6cb03c3f Aug 18 17:51:35 the one I have is 2ea0cb882005f047b4e6412dc03b391f Aug 18 17:52:15 actually, I think there was one more build before the latest version was released, just changing the version number string Aug 18 17:52:29 give me a sec and I'll recheck it Aug 18 17:52:50 ok Aug 18 17:53:01 cd6a3e17e6704d2b2cfb96aa6cb03c3f Aug 18 17:53:08 looks like it matches Aug 18 17:53:22 hmm Aug 18 17:53:43 check /usr/bin for anything named LunaSysMgr.* Aug 18 17:53:51 (where * = anything) Aug 18 17:55:42 I get LunaSysMgr.orig Aug 18 18:03:21 hmm Aug 18 18:03:27 why is that there..? Aug 18 18:03:31 brb, supermarket Aug 18 18:07:16 The crazy thing is that when I stop LSM and boot I see the WebOS Ports LunaCE 4.3.4 and new gestures work. But if I try to start LSM it goes to the HP logo loop again. Aug 18 18:09:27 wait Aug 18 18:09:31 you can boot into webos? Aug 18 18:09:37 or rather into luna? Aug 18 18:11:53 Like I said, if I stop the LSM while on the loop it goes to the homescreen. Aug 18 18:12:49 that *is* strange Aug 18 18:13:13 I know that is whats killing me Aug 18 18:13:15 because when you stop it, it shouldn't then start anyway Aug 18 18:13:37 and in /usr/bin, you are finding only ONE file, or two Aug 18 18:13:53 Is there a way to check if it is running? Aug 18 18:14:07 I had LunaSysMgr.orig and LunaSysMgr Aug 18 18:15:06 which is odd because you should have LunaSysMgr and LunaSysMgr.bak Aug 18 18:15:28 and if you are using the UI, LunaSysMgr is running Aug 18 18:15:34 so it should be there Aug 18 18:16:20 I don't know if it was put there by the keyboard patch, btw I removed the patch before installing LunaCE Aug 18 18:17:15 ok, so at the moment, you are booted into the "home screen" right Aug 18 18:17:38 The thing is if I send the stop command again while in the UI, I get Job not changed: LunaSysMgr Aug 18 18:17:50 Yes I'm at the home screen Aug 18 18:18:08 that's what I was going to direct you to do Aug 18 18:18:31 I want to test something Aug 18 18:18:41 it shouldn't work but I want you to try it anyway Aug 18 18:18:47 my guess is that you have it running outside of the normal script Aug 18 18:18:59 But every time I reboot I get the loop with the CRASH! LunaSysMgr Aug 18 18:19:09 ericblade: any ideas on a resolution? Aug 18 18:19:25 Ok i'm willing to try it. Aug 18 18:19:44 no clue on that, i've only seen that when i was intentionally running LunaSysMgr from a console Aug 18 18:19:49 because at the moment, I'm just about to have him try somethign that won't make sense Aug 18 18:20:12 EricBlade:how can I check that? Aug 18 18:20:16 it's unix. it doesn't make sense Aug 18 18:20:29 blake01: try the stop command, but add .orig afterwards Aug 18 18:20:37 as part of the filename Aug 18 18:20:51 let me know if it does anything Aug 18 18:21:14 I get Unknown job: LunaSysMgr.orig Aug 18 18:21:26 I figured as much Aug 18 18:22:37 run top? Aug 18 18:22:56 and pastebin the output Aug 18 18:24:44 interestingly, ps -AF | grep Luna shows 2 LunaSysMgr -s processes on here, which is something i don't recall seeing before. maybe it's because i'm using -A Aug 18 18:25:04 ok, will try that, just in case removed the LunaSysMgr.orig and reboot to the same problem Aug 18 18:26:33 EricBlade: mine does as well Aug 18 18:26:40 which I actually did not expect to see Aug 18 18:31:00 pastebin of top http://pastebin.com/pnNz4yLz Aug 18 18:31:52 fourth one down Aug 18 18:31:57 LunaSysMgr Aug 18 18:32:05 it *is* running Aug 18 18:33:36 this is the stop command command you are using? novacom run -- file:///sbin/stop LunaSysMgr Aug 18 18:35:25 Yes that's the one I'm using Aug 18 18:36:03 ok Aug 18 18:36:05 Also got the same results if I try it after novaterm or ssh Aug 18 18:36:20 run ps -AF | grep LunaSys Aug 18 18:39:11 again, pastebin the results Aug 18 18:39:44 I get http://pastebin.com/pMBeCYrp Aug 18 18:40:30 not only is LSM running, but it's in the appropriate place Aug 18 18:43:45 maybe you could stop LunaSysMgr, then run /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr and see if anything seriously abnormal comes out in the screen output. Problem is, that various errors are so common, it's often hard to determine what's "abnormal" Aug 18 18:44:16 EricBlade: the issue is that he can't stop LSM Aug 18 18:44:23 or rather, part of the issue Aug 18 18:44:33 so he can't replace LSM because he can't stop it o.o Aug 18 18:45:13 if you kill -9 3391 does it stop, or just auto restart? Aug 18 18:45:23 will try that Aug 18 18:47:00 I imagine it auto restarts Aug 18 18:47:19 but if it doesn't, that would be great for our purposes Aug 18 18:47:28 yes it auto restart Aug 18 18:48:05 blake01: try the sbin/stop command now Aug 18 18:48:10 novacom run -- file:///sbin/stop LunaSysMgr Aug 18 18:48:43 same result: Job not changed: LunaSysMgr Aug 18 18:51:57 I'm at a loss Aug 18 18:55:45 I'm assuming "killall LunaSysMgr" will give you the same result as kill Aug 18 18:56:32 yes already try that, it restart Aug 18 18:56:50 At this point, beyond doctoring, I don't know what to suggest. There's no reason it shouldn't be able to stop the service Aug 18 18:57:18 when you send novacom run file://bin/mount -- -o remount,rw / what is the response? Aug 18 18:57:33 no response, as if it was successful? Aug 18 18:57:39 yes Aug 18 18:58:19 and novacom put file:///usr/bin/LunaSysMgr < ./LunaSysMgr (assuming the command was run from the directory you have LSM stored in)? Aug 18 18:58:29 what is the response then Aug 18 19:02:07 the command did not output any erros, I just try another reboot after installing manually all the files from the 4.3.4 ipk and it booted without problems.Will restart again and let you know. Aug 18 19:02:59 ok Aug 18 19:03:15 we didn't finish though...you want to make sure to put it back to ro Aug 18 19:05:23 The thing is that it let me install from preware without errors (after replacing the /etc/event.d/LunaSysMgr), but installing them all manually seems to have fixed it. Rebooted again without problems. Aug 18 19:05:59 Thanks for the help and for saving me from a Dr visit. Aug 18 19:08:32 no problem Aug 18 19:08:34 I'm glad you got it Aug 18 19:38:53 ShiftyAxel: i'm glad to see you Aug 18 19:39:03 ShiftyAxel: i found a SLEW of bugs in 4.3.4 Aug 18 19:52:14 howdy HaDak, bugs you say? Aug 18 19:52:48 I'm aware of the smiley issue, at this point, think 'would I rather have smilies or worked text fields' :p Aug 18 19:53:08 s/worked/working/ Aug 18 19:53:08 ShiftyAxel meant: I'm aware of the smiley issue, at this point, think 'would I rather have smilies or working text fields' :p Aug 18 20:55:38 how can you express yourself without smiley faces o.O Aug 18 20:56:13 it's probably also the root of the problem that causes it to not trigger the proper keyboard for the input type Aug 18 21:12:48 mans said we should debug the caching methods instead of disabling them, that'd probably work Aug 18 21:13:08 and you type them manually like a REAL keyboard wielder ;) Aug 18 21:15:21 ShiftyAxel: i wasn't paying attention. you didn't highlight me. Aug 18 21:15:21 ShiftyAxel: what's your email? i'll send you screenshots. Aug 18 21:15:45 you should add it as a highlight word Aug 18 21:16:51 i should, but i don't know how to make quassel do that. Aug 18 21:18:05 folks Aug 18 21:18:09 bhuey Aug 18 21:18:36 ShiftyAxel: it's on its way. hopefully the network here doesn't suck too bad. Aug 18 21:19:45 ShiftyAxel: highlight hadak Aug 18 21:22:54 HaDAK Aug 18 21:23:10 ~botsmack HaDAk Aug 18 21:23:24 ~lart HaDAk Aug 18 21:23:24 * WoceBot duct-tapes HaDAk to the floor and drools on him Aug 18 21:23:48 ~blame HaDAk Aug 18 21:23:48 * WoceBot blames HaDAk for everything Aug 18 21:24:00 that work? Aug 18 21:25:46 it didn't hilight Aug 18 21:25:48 bummer Aug 18 21:25:53 anyway. you should have that email. Aug 18 21:31:21 I see, yeah. can you add it to the issue tracker? Aug 18 21:33:31 kinda busy at the moment. Aug 18 21:33:32 i may get around to it Aug 18 21:34:22 please remember to, it will help us fix it... Aug 18 21:34:40