**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 23 03:00:00 2012
Aug 23 12:35:18 * tyrok has been absent for a while now.
Aug 23 12:35:21 <tyrok> What's new?
Aug 23 12:37:47 <tyrok> (Tried building OWO-LSM again a couple days ago.  Still getting a black screen.  Trying the new version now.)
Aug 23 13:31:55 <ShiftyAxel> morning all
Aug 23 14:34:56 <ShiftyAxel> hey tyrok
Aug 23 14:35:04 <tyrok> Howdy!
Aug 23 14:35:08 <ShiftyAxel> did you manage to get a working LunaCE build going in the end?
Aug 23 14:36:21 <tyrok> I don't think I've tried building LunaCE yet. OWO-LSM, I have been able to build.  I just can't get it to display anything more than a black screen.  Haven't had time to debug it and am kind of wondering if anyone else has had the same problem.
Aug 23 14:39:20 <ShiftyAxel> ah, I see
Aug 23 14:39:32 <ShiftyAxel> building for x86 or for arm?
Aug 23 14:41:38 <tyrok> x86
Aug 23 14:42:07 <tyrok> I get a log message indicating it can't start LunaUI or something but haven't had time to really look into it.
Aug 23 14:43:59 <ShiftyAxel> i'm guessing you followed the build instructions in README.md?
Aug 23 14:54:22 <tyrok> Yep.
Aug 23 14:54:50 <tyrok> Specifically using the script I built to automate that on my 64-bit host: https://github.com/tyrok1/luna-sysmgr-build-on-64bit
Aug 23 14:56:13 <ShiftyAxel> ah, 64-bit
Aug 23 14:56:38 <ShiftyAxel> i'm afraid you're on your own in that case, I've never built it outside of a vagrant environment
Aug 23 14:56:59 <tyrok> Yeah, I figured by now somebody else has to have tried it.  :)
Aug 23 15:22:32 <ka6sox> 64bit is unsupported ATM....multi-lib is a bit of a pian.
Aug 23 15:22:38 <ka6sox> s/pian/pain/
Aug 23 15:23:13 <ka6sox> silly bot....
Aug 23 15:23:22 <ka6sox> its gone AWOL again :P
Aug 23 15:25:48 <GodGinrai> lol
Aug 23 18:21:30 <tyrok> ka6sox: Right.  This is under 32-bit Ubuntu in a chroot on 64-bit Ubuntu.  I take it other people have been pretty successful getting it to run well on straight 32-bit hosts?
Aug 23 18:21:51 <ka6sox> yup...really well.
Aug 23 18:27:15 <tyrok> Okay.  I suppose I should probably do that, then.  :)
Aug 23 18:31:01 <tyrok> Well, no, I shouldn't do that.  I should fix it so it's more platform-independent.  But I don't have the time right now.
Aug 23 18:47:48 <ka6sox> it really has to do with making sure that you have the right multi-lib components
Aug 23 18:56:50 <tyrok> In this case, I have a full 32-bit install of Ubuntu running within a chroot under 64-bit Ubuntu.  Same way I have Debian running on my Pre2.  It's close to being a VM without actually virtualizing it.  So I'm pretty much just bypassing multilib.
Aug 23 18:57:54 <tyrok> In theory, there *should* be little enough difference between what I'm doing and running it in a VM that it *should* work.  But obviously if others are running it without any problems, it *is* different enough.  It at least tells me that that's the problem component.
Aug 23 19:03:54 <ka6sox> the 32bit chroot still depends on multi-lib support to run.
Aug 23 19:04:26 <ka6sox> (kernel if nothing else)
Aug 23 19:05:01 <tyrok> True.  But it doesn't use most of the other components.
Aug 23 19:06:37 <tyrok> Eh, at any rate, I'll probably just end up spinning up a VM.
Aug 23 19:47:31 <bhuey> folks
Aug 23 19:49:29 <ka6sox> bhuey
Aug 23 19:50:03 <HaDAk-TP> howdy
Aug 23 19:58:33 <bhuey> hey
Aug 23 21:55:27 <SilverLight> Hi
Aug 23 21:55:56 <SilverLight> I need some help installing the beta LunaSysManager using preware
Aug 23 21:57:15 <SilverLight> and since I am relatively new to webos, how can I gain shell access to it? I have developer mode already enabled
Aug 23 21:57:41 <ka6sox> install wterm from preware
Aug 23 21:59:04 <ka6sox> SilverLight, ^^
Aug 23 21:59:28 <SilverLight> yeah, ok ka6sox... installing wterm now. What next?
Aug 23 21:59:40 * ka6sox looks to see whether we went Beta while he wa sleeping...
Aug 23 22:00:31 <ka6sox> whew....we are still alpha
Aug 23 22:01:21 <SilverLight> what next after wterm install
Aug 23 22:01:26 <ka6sox> SilverLight, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
Aug 23 22:11:42 <ka6sox> 10% chance he got that..
Aug 23 22:12:14 <ShiftyAxel> we may never know...
Aug 23 22:12:46 <ka6sox> swallowed up by a Quantum Singularity
Aug 23 22:14:01 <ShiftyAxel> someone should have told him that quantum router technology doesn't work yet
Aug 23 22:17:33 * tyrok is spinning up an Ubuntu 32-bit VM to try OWO-LSM on.
Aug 23 22:17:40 <ka6sox> is that what Sky Uses?
Aug 23 22:20:13 <ShiftyAxel> probably...
Aug 23 22:20:57 <ShiftyAxel> there have been some strange gravity anomalies around the table it's stood under...
Aug 23 22:26:05 <SilverLight> what is the preferred development environment (I mean IDE) to use with lunasysmgr sources?
Aug 23 22:26:27 <tyrok> vim or Leafpad, for me.
Aug 23 22:27:22 <SilverLight> so I have setup a VBox VM using vagrant to build it but how can I access the sources on my host box? do I have to clone again from github?
Aug 23 22:28:17 <tyrok> SilverLight: IIRC, there's a spot on the host's filesystem where a chunk of the VM's filesystem is mounted, but I don't know the details.
Aug 23 22:29:49 <SilverLight> yes the share is mounted from /srv/share (on guest) but the sources are not available from the share
Aug 23 22:30:08 <ka6sox> ShiftyAxel, ^^
Aug 23 22:30:41 <SilverLight> how do you guys work with the sources? I am just starting on this and need help setting up the development/build/deploy cycle pls
Aug 23 22:31:21 <ShiftyAxel> SilverLight: /srv/share mounts the folder containing the Vagrantfile in your host OS
Aug 23 22:32:23 <ShiftyAxel> so for instance on mine, my Vagrantfile is in ~/Documents/Github
Aug 23 22:32:36 <ShiftyAxel> and that's where I store my sources
Aug 23 22:33:12 <SilverLight> oh I see
Aug 23 22:34:48 <SilverLight> so, following the wiki to setup Testing_Feeds, I removed preware, executed the two commands to create and touch and now trying to re-install preware using webosquickinstall-4.4.0.jar
Aug 23 22:35:10 <SilverLight> it says that preware ipk is installed but I don't see it on the touchpad
Aug 23 22:49:50 <ka6sox> SilverLight, trying to work a bit here...so slow responding
Aug 23 22:54:15 <ShiftyAxel> SilverLight: you should be able to remove it via quickinstall
Aug 23 22:55:39 <ShiftyAxel> in the 'Manage Device' menu option
Aug 23 22:56:01 <ka6sox> install it via quick install, or get the sdk for 3.0.5 and use palm-install.
Aug 23 22:58:34 <SilverLight> I am also getting org.webosinternals.ipkgservice does not exist when I run Luna Manager to try and restart Luna
Aug 23 23:03:16 <HaDAk-TP> hey ShiftyAxel
Aug 23 23:03:44 <HaDAk-TP> fwiw, I removed LunaCE due to it being buggy as hell. The latest patch seems to have some performance issues.
Aug 23 23:03:56 <ShiftyAxel> morning HaDAk
Aug 23 23:04:02 <ka6sox> SilverLight, its possible that not using preware to remove it self left it in a bad state
Aug 23 23:04:15 <ShiftyAxel> performance issues you say? what sort of thing?
Aug 23 23:05:19 <HaDAk-TP> more keyboard issues...the .com button doesn't work (annoying!), and overall slowness. lots of latency if i don't reboot every couple hours.
Aug 23 23:05:29 <HaDAk-TP> my guess is a memory leak.
Aug 23 23:06:17 <ShiftyAxel> can't say I've noticed anything like that on my test TP...
Aug 23 23:06:43 <ShiftyAxel> and yeah, the .com button is broken for the same reason as the smilies
Aug 23 23:07:04 <ShiftyAxel> but at least the keyboard switches modes correctly now :p
Aug 23 23:07:09 <HaDAk-TP> I never realized how much I use the .com button
Aug 23 23:07:24 <fxspec06> infinite cycling is broke
Aug 23 23:07:27 <fxspec06> in 4.3.5
Aug 23 23:07:34 <fxspec06> for me.... for some reason. idk why
Aug 23 23:07:43 <ShiftyAxel> broke how?
Aug 23 23:07:54 <fxspec06> as in, not functioning
Aug 23 23:07:54 <ShiftyAxel> details guys, details
Aug 23 23:08:00 <ShiftyAxel> hmm
Aug 23 23:08:08 * HaDAk-TP attempts to be as vague as possible.
Aug 23 23:08:10 <HaDAk-TP> phone.
Aug 23 23:08:14 <ShiftyAxel> tried toggling it on and off?
Aug 23 23:08:15 <fxspec06> as in .. in app view, full screen, swipe from bezel
Aug 23 23:08:22 <fxspec06> no infinite ;)
Aug 23 23:08:29 <fxspec06> idk if it's designed for that, but that'd be COOL.
Aug 23 23:08:37 <fxspec06> it's working in card view, though.
Aug 23 23:09:03 <ShiftyAxel> that isn't broken, it never did that :p
Aug 23 23:09:09 <ShiftyAxel> you tabloid you
Aug 23 23:09:17 <fxspec06> oh hey, fluid gestures allows me to do that, but slide no bueno
Aug 23 23:09:24 <fxspec06> me tabloid me?
Aug 23 23:09:32 <ShiftyAxel> yeah, they switch with different methods
Aug 23 23:09:44 <fxspec06> bah
Aug 23 23:09:53 <ka6sox> bring up ImporterControlPanel and click "running man"
Aug 23 23:09:57 <ShiftyAxel> could you open an entry in the bugtracker?
Aug 23 23:10:04 <ka6sox> whoops
Aug 23 23:10:36 <fxspec06> sure, later tonight.
Aug 23 23:10:40 * fxspec06 swearsies
Aug 23 23:10:45 <ka6sox> heh
Aug 23 23:12:06 <ka6sox> someone needs to invent focus follows eyes
Aug 23 23:14:54 <ka6sox> start the neural processor and then SPS1 Capture Client.
Aug 23 23:15:32 <ShiftyAxel> eye control isn't too far off
Aug 23 23:15:43 <ka6sox> d0h!
Aug 23 23:15:51 <ShiftyAxel> your dream may be realised yet :D
Aug 23 23:16:16 <ShiftyAxel> FFE would be awesome for text selection
Aug 23 23:16:31 <ka6sox> dangers of using IRC for both work and play is dangerous
Aug 23 23:16:45 <ka6sox> (redundancy being one of the issues)
Aug 24 00:05:44 <tyrok> Huh.  Looks like my problems with OSO-LSM have something to do with my X server.  I can't run OWO-LSM from within a VM using the host's X server, but I can run it if it's displaying on an X server inside of the VM.
Aug 24 00:06:39 <tyrok> s/OSO/OWO/
Aug 24 00:10:49 <tyrok> So, since we don't have any of the infrastructure for cryptofs yet, how do I install the core-apps into this?
Aug 24 00:20:05 <ka6sox> what makes you think we need cryptofs for this?
Aug 24 00:20:54 <ka6sox> (just curious)
Aug 24 00:22:28 <tyrok> Default location for it to look on a phone and I haven't researched it enough to know if it looks for them anywhere else.
Aug 24 00:23:03 <tyrok> And I know it complains about it in the logs.
Aug 24 00:25:46 <ka6sox> this is from OWO?
Aug 24 00:25:55 <tyrok> Yep.
Aug 24 00:26:23 <ka6sox> you would think they would have removed the cryptofs if they weren't going to use it
Aug 24 01:02:12 <tyrok> Ah.  /usr/palm/applications
Aug 24 01:03:01 <tyrok> Calculator works.
Aug 24 01:04:31 <tyrok> Memos appears to be missing some required graphics.
Aug 24 01:04:47 <ShiftyAxel> wait, you have apps working in OWO LSM?
Aug 24 01:04:51 <tyrok> Yep.
Aug 24 01:04:54 <ShiftyAxel> nice
Aug 24 01:05:07 <tyrok> git clone https://github.com/openwebos/core-apps.git
Aug 24 01:05:20 <tyrok> cp -ra core-apps/com.palm.* /usr/palm/applications/
Aug 24 01:05:26 <tyrok> Accounts doesn't work.
Aug 24 01:05:47 <tyrok> Clock doesn't even launch.
Aug 24 01:06:19 <tyrok> Contacts also appears to not launch.
Aug 24 01:07:06 <tyrok> Although if you open Contacts, it pops up a help banner (may have the terminology for that wrong) about Dismissing Cards.  That makes the launcher go goofy, but you can close Contacts.
Aug 24 01:07:17 <tyrok> Email doesn't launch.
Aug 24 01:07:33 <tyrok> So, that leaves us with one working app currently: Calculator.
Aug 24 01:07:59 <ShiftyAxel> well, it's something :p
Aug 24 01:08:03 <tyrok> Moving apps from one app tab to another in LSM works amazingly well.
Aug 24 01:08:19 <ShiftyAxel> noticeably better than 3.0.5?
Aug 24 01:08:33 <tyrok> Dunno.  I don't have a TouchPad.  :)
Aug 24 01:08:47 <tyrok> It's just that I figured that'd be likely to break.
Aug 24 01:09:20 <tyrok> Oh, yeah, I didn't install the services.  Just a minute.
Aug 24 01:16:17 <ShiftyAxel> I'm getting an empty launcher myself
Aug 24 01:16:29 <ShiftyAxel> apps, services and enyo are all where they ought to be as well
Aug 24 01:16:37 <tyrok> Ah.  The db8 service is not installed.
Aug 24 01:18:39 <LarrySteeze> ka6sox: you rang?
Aug 24 01:19:21 <ka6sox> morning LarrySteeze
Aug 24 01:19:27 <LarrySteeze> morning
Aug 24 01:23:57 <tyrok> pmloglib has to be installed to compile db8...
Aug 24 01:25:38 <tyrok> I'm going to have to update my script.  I *should* be able to set it up to do all of this automatically...
Aug 24 01:25:50 <ka6sox> tyrok, just create /media/cryptofs in the rootfs.
Aug 24 01:26:05 <tyrok> ka6sox: Didn't need to.  It also checks /usr/palm/
Aug 24 01:26:13 <ka6sox> ah good
Aug 24 01:26:17 <tyrok> I got a bunch of apps installed.  Working on installing db8 now.
Aug 24 01:26:26 <ka6sox> kk...thanks
Aug 24 01:26:40 <tyrok> It has a bunch of dependencies, though.
Aug 24 01:31:52 <tyrok> Okay...so db8 requires libdb-dev, but it requires specifically version 4.8 which doesn't come with Precise.
Aug 24 01:39:50 <ka6sox> sounds like you have to build out of tree then :(
Aug 24 01:43:37 <tyrok> Okay...so if you download libdb4.8 and libdb4.8-dev from lucid, they install just fine and building succeeds.
Aug 24 01:49:00 <panda-z> hi tyrok, I've just built the newest version of OWO-lunasysmgr. It runs well on my ArchLinux x86_64.
Aug 24 01:54:57 <ka6sox> panda-z, you have qt4.8 running (at least what you need) in archlinux x86_64?
Aug 24 01:57:12 <panda-z> ka6sox: I've installed qt4.8, but I'm not sure whether it is running or not.
Aug 24 01:57:44 <panda-z> I'll show the screenshot.
Aug 24 01:57:50 <ka6sox> please.
Aug 24 01:59:19 <tyrok> panda-z: Yeah, IIRC you were the one you issued the pull request for 64-bit Arch support, right?
Aug 24 01:59:35 <tyrok> That's one I really, really wish they would approve.
Aug 24 02:00:19 <panda-z> tyrok: yes, but that's partly, I didn't pull request my whole changes.
Aug 24 02:00:39 <panda-z> Can someone give me a website to paste images?
Aug 24 02:01:16 <ka6sox> boy I don't know...hmmm
Aug 24 02:01:23 <panda-z> ok, i'll throw it to my dropbox
Aug 24 02:01:36 <ka6sox> thanks
Aug 24 02:04:03 <panda-z> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/j6g5h89spytbblv/yXES_GCtwT
Aug 24 02:04:36 <tyrok> panda-z: Yep.  That looks about like mine now that I'm running X inside of a VM.
Aug 24 02:04:47 <tyrok> For some reason, my problem before seems to have been an X server problem.
Aug 24 02:06:46 <panda-z> http://pastebin.com/AmJG8YQ6
Aug 24 02:07:14 <tyrok> Nice.
Aug 24 02:07:30 <tyrok> Still can't seem to get the db service running.  I think that's about it for me for the night.
Aug 24 02:07:30 <panda-z> tyrok: The LunaSysMgr is a ELF 64-bit LSB executable
Aug 24 02:07:59 <tyrok> panda-z: Gives me hope I can get it running under my normal Gentoo system.  :)
Aug 24 02:08:03 <LarrySteeze> panda-z and tyrok: http://stopbeingboring.com/carpc.jpg
Aug 24 02:08:42 <LarrySteeze> As an FYI: that is my project for getting x86 going.
Aug 24 02:08:48 <tyrok> Nice.
Aug 24 02:09:04 <panda-z> awesome!
Aug 24 02:09:13 <LarrySteeze> fortunately the emu is already x86 supported
Aug 24 02:10:08 <panda-z> tyrok: I'll manually merge some changes of the build-luna-sysmgr.sh script, and then I'll show my diffs.
Aug 24 02:10:12 <LarrySteeze> I haven't had a chance to keep up with the channel or the logs, but from what I hear, the two of you are workign on x86 as well
Aug 24 02:10:47 <tyrok> LarrySteeze: Yep.  Got the Calculator app working.  The others - not so much yet.
Aug 24 02:11:33 <LarrySteeze> I've actually considered in the past just running a custom emulator, but it's not as smooth or as fun as native boot
Aug 24 02:12:58 <LarrySteeze> If anyone else wants help, hardware wise, with a carpc, please let me know
Aug 24 02:20:50 <LarrySteeze> anyway, I'm on my way to the sack
Aug 24 02:20:52 <LarrySteeze> adios amigos
Aug 24 02:20:52 <panda-z> tyrok: Here are my diffs http://pastebin.com/h3XZF8nL , as my qt and webkit were built before, so I've not checked the script.
Aug 24 02:21:12 <tyrok> LarrySteeze: See 'ya!
Aug 24 02:21:52 <tyrok> panda-z: IIRC you had it set up to autodetect the architecture.  Did you drop that?
Aug 24 02:22:38 <panda-z> tyrok: Yeah, I've discard that change, but you can add it. ^^
Aug 24 02:23:08 <tyrok> I thought that was fairly useful, myself, and would make it much more likely to be pulled into OWO-LSM.
Aug 24 02:26:33 <panda-z> tyrok: u r right, I'll see whether I could do some more improvement
Aug 24 02:31:37 <tyrok> panda-z: I remember that immediately struck me as pretty nifty when I first saw that pull request.  :)
Aug 24 02:34:04 <panda-z> tyrok: hah, I think the OWO developers are all using ubuntu 32-bit as their develop operating system. :-D
Aug 24 02:35:47 <panda-z> I don't know if someone could comfirm whether the changes that I made could work well on a 32-bit machine, so I didn't add the build script to pull request.
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