**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 26 03:00:00 2012 Aug 26 03:05:47 anyone having issues with the app catalog today? Aug 26 03:23:38 HaDAk, its Unannounced Maintaince Saturday! Aug 26 03:23:54 oh, good. glad it's not just me, and my friend in DC Aug 26 03:24:06 (figured it wasn't, but didn't see any news) Aug 26 03:25:40 ka6sox: interested in a screenshot of what i'm working on? Aug 26 03:25:55 yes Aug 26 03:27:07 http://localhostr.com/files/7v3A09B/email_client.jpg Aug 26 03:27:21 soon, i'll remove my personal information and not have to blur it :P Aug 26 03:27:35 for now, whatevs Aug 26 03:29:00 ok...let me know when you get further along! I look forward to it. Aug 26 03:30:07 thoughts so far/ Aug 26 03:37:30 morning all Aug 26 03:39:39 yo Aug 26 03:41:16 been working nights for the past week. missed out on some of the conversations. noticed no updates for about a week.. Aug 26 03:41:56 I haven't been paying much attention myself, but it looks like the goal is widgets right now Aug 26 03:42:08 I'm working on a mail client redesign Aug 26 03:42:30 ka6sox might be nice enough to post the link Aug 26 03:42:43 so I don't have to walk over to my other pc Aug 26 03:42:53 thought widgets were not in fashion for webOS.. Aug 26 03:43:14 if implemented properly, they'll work nicely Aug 26 03:43:19 we kinda need em, imo Aug 26 03:44:24 how are they going to be implemented? Aug 26 03:44:51 dunno. wasn't part of the conversation when they figured it out. Aug 26 03:45:00 I know how *I* want it to be done Aug 26 03:45:34 http://www.webosnation.com/sites/webosnation.com/files/resource_images/j/jose-b.jpg Aug 26 03:45:38 i think that's how it should be done Aug 26 03:45:42 i don't know if they agree or not Aug 26 03:46:05 and while i'm out here, this is the link to the mail client redesign i'm working onhttp://localhostr.com/files/7v3A09B/email_client.jpg Aug 26 03:46:08 well good luck to them. I'm willing to test them out if needed. Aug 26 03:47:43 I like the look of the widgets and your email client. good night! Aug 26 03:48:15 :-) Aug 26 09:08:23 it is really sad that the app catalog has been broken for pretty much a week now Aug 26 10:07:54 EricBlade: are there any news on LunaCE on Pre3? Aug 26 10:08:05 virox: see the wiki Aug 26 10:27:36 okay sadly nothing new there Aug 26 12:32:55 virox: nope, and there probably won't be, unless maybe John Steffes gets around to telling us more about his experiment of jamming a bunch of webOS 3 onto a phone for some reason or another Aug 26 12:36:49 hmm. i can't facebook login anymore from my pre3.. argh Aug 26 12:37:52 oh, blame it on straight talk being a piece of crap lately Aug 26 13:08:45 hello Aug 26 13:09:41 So remember the problem I had with LunaCE that Tweaks would cause a Luna restart upon opening and the suggestion was to doctor and then try again? Well, after doctoring and installing LunaCE, Tweaks still causes a Luna restart :( Aug 26 13:17:11 I want a solution or workaround :( Aug 26 13:30:06 :( Aug 26 13:30:33 i have no idea what tweaks could possibly be doing that would do that Aug 26 13:30:44 shifty's been in there some though so maybe he has some thoughts Aug 26 13:31:30 I can't really think why Tweaks would be causing a luna restart... Aug 26 13:31:45 Vistaus: do you have terminal access to your TP? Aug 26 13:31:54 Yes I have Aug 26 13:36:17 right, we may be able to narrow down the cause Aug 26 13:36:33 though if it's persisting after a doctor I'm really quite stumped Aug 26 13:36:46 start by running 'stop LunaSysMgr' in your device's terminal Aug 26 13:36:50 then 'LunaSysMgr' Aug 26 13:37:32 after that, luna will start up. then open tweaks, wait for it to crash luna and put the terminal output on pastebin.com Aug 26 13:37:49 specifically the last 20 lines or so, give or take Aug 26 13:38:30 okay Aug 26 13:40:54 This is the output: http://pastebin.com/GW1B7YA4 Aug 26 13:41:48 EricBlade: thank you for the info, thought you are into it since you posted a Pre3 Screenshot somewhere ;) Aug 26 13:56:40 Vistaus: hrm, it isn't giving any errors I can diagnose with Aug 26 13:56:57 WebKit is crashing for some reason Aug 26 13:57:30 do you have the SDK installed on your computer? Aug 26 14:01:45 I had but now I haven't lol, am downloading and installing the sdk again right now Aug 26 14:02:25 virox: well, yeah, i did sort of spearhead the work that was listed on the wiki, but i'm pretty much stumped as far as going any farther than that is. following that path is getting too invasive to the rest of the components Aug 26 14:09:17 @ShiftyAxel SDK is installed again Aug 26 14:13:57 what should I do with it? Aug 26 14:14:37 make sure your device is plugged in via usb, then open a terminal (computer terminal, not device terminal) and run 'pdk-device-install install' Aug 26 14:14:58 that should install gdb to the touchpad, which can be used to figure out exactly where LSM is crashing Aug 26 14:16:13 alright will do that Aug 26 14:19:51 alright my TP is rebooted now after successfully install gdb. I figure I now have to stop luna and start it again and then let tweaks crash? :) Aug 26 14:20:11 (and post you to the output on pastebin) Aug 26 14:35:11 good luck :) gdb is hateful. Aug 26 14:35:36 thanks :) Aug 26 14:35:55 okay this is the output: http://pastebin.com/w3C2SWWu Aug 26 14:38:12 Vistaus: almost, you have to run 'stop LunaSysMgr', then 'gdb LunaSysMgr' and then 'run' Aug 26 14:38:25 oh okay will do that :) Aug 26 14:38:37 it'll run LSM with debugging and output the function it crashes on, might give a small insight Aug 26 14:39:21 should've thought of that, have used gdb on desktop for a few years now :/ Alright let's try again :P Aug 26 14:42:56 here you go: http://pastebin.com/92hgpgHu Aug 26 14:48:18 i believe "bt" does a backtrace Aug 26 15:00:45 * EricBlade nudges Vistaus Aug 26 15:01:30 how would I use the bt command in gdb? Aug 26 15:09:12 ? Aug 26 15:16:49 'gdb LunaSysMgr' 'bt'? Aug 26 15:16:57 or 'gdb LunaSysMgr' 'run' 'bt' Aug 26 15:17:02 but it doesn't appear to be crashing... Aug 26 15:18:29 that's weird 'cause Luna does crash.. Aug 26 15:18:34 on my tp Aug 26 15:19:50 bt doesn't work btw, it says 'no stack' Aug 26 15:20:05 but what could the problem be then if the output doesn't say it crashes? Aug 26 15:21:33 luna restart != crash Aug 26 15:21:37 at least, not always Aug 26 15:21:51 according to GDB it exited cleanly Aug 26 15:21:59 how do other enyo apps behave for you? Aug 26 15:22:27 every other enyo app works fine, no crashes/restarts whatsoever Aug 26 15:23:59 hrm Aug 26 15:24:06 what model is your TP? Aug 26 15:31:00 Device Info says HSTNH-I29C Aug 26 15:31:05 is that what you mean? Aug 26 15:36:16 I was more thinking Wifi/3G 16Gb/32Gb Aug 26 15:36:26 Black/White Aug 26 15:36:27 etc Aug 26 15:37:19 Oh okay, I have the Wifi only version, 32 GB, Black Aug 26 15:39:42 hmm, shouldn't cause any issues Aug 26 15:39:57 colour me stumped Aug 26 15:40:37 :( I really want to use the new cool stuff from LunaCE.. :( Aug 26 15:40:55 there IS a potential workaround Aug 26 15:40:57 probably going to have to stick log calls all over tweaks in an effort to locate where it's failing at Aug 26 15:41:18 EricBlade: do you remember the luna-send call to set a preferences variable? Aug 26 15:42:14 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.whatevertheservicenameis '{ummmm}' Aug 26 15:42:21 yeah i don't really remember it Aug 26 15:42:22 :) Aug 26 15:43:48 palm://com.palm.systemservice/setPreferences '{"pref1":"setting","pref2":"setting",...}' Aug 26 15:44:58 and it saves the settings that way upon reboot? Aug 26 15:47:35 Vistaus: it's basically what the Luna functionality in tweaks does Aug 26 15:48:00 oh okay will try it then :) Aug 26 15:48:06 if you look at the files in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/org.webosinternals.tweaks.prefs/preferences Aug 26 15:48:14 you'll see that each one has a 'prefServ' entry Aug 26 15:48:23 Yup I had figured that out ;) Aug 26 15:48:36 good good Aug 26 15:49:00 :) Aug 26 15:56:57 that does seem to work! thanks your all your help guys, you're amazing! :D Aug 26 16:02:55 good to hear :) Aug 26 16:03:24 :) Aug 26 16:04:45 ShiftyAxel: you should prob still put in a metric ton of log calls in tweaks and figure out where he's crashign out Aug 26 16:05:14 EricBlade: it's kind of hard to debug an issue i can't replicate Aug 26 16:05:47 he's good at getting logs, though :) Aug 26 18:05:54 anyone in here up for testing a new release? Aug 26 18:07:11 ShiftyAxel: how do we tell the dashboard we want a particular size? Aug 26 18:07:22 EricBlade: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/LunaCE_APIs Aug 26 18:07:47 I have the clock available as an IPK also Aug 26 18:08:41 spiffyness Aug 26 18:09:15 :D Aug 26 18:09:44 can you hook me up with an ipk? then i can adjust syn1 to use that instead of my old patch Aug 26 18:10:12 for the clock? Aug 26 18:10:41 nope for the luna Aug 26 18:10:52 so i can adjust to the dashHeight instead of bDoubleHeight Aug 26 18:11:10 we don't have an IPK yet I'm afraid, only a binary Aug 26 18:24:13 boo! :P Aug 26 18:24:23 im too busy writing code to mess with binary right now :( Aug 26 18:40:11 ah well, dw :) Aug 26 20:02:44 anyone in here up for testing the new build? Aug 26 20:27:17 * EricBlade has conclusive proof that whazaa messenger actually works on a touchpad other than my own Aug 26 21:52:17 * fxspec06 taking c++ this semester Aug 26 21:52:27 have fun with that :D Aug 26 21:52:36 pointers are so much fun, you'll love it Aug 26 21:52:39 o ya, it'll be FUN Aug 26 21:52:52 especially when everybody in the class comes to me for help Aug 26 21:53:06 * ShiftyAxel knows that feeling all too well Aug 26 21:53:07 and then when i won't give it to them Aug 26 21:53:17 * fxspec06 evil smirk Aug 26 21:53:23 and then laugh evilly? Aug 26 21:53:50 lol, i'll be working for the CS department this semester, too Aug 26 21:53:58 for all i know, i could end up writing a QCC mobile app Aug 26 21:54:14 grr Aug 26 21:54:36 basically an internship at my school Aug 26 21:54:43 i think. kinda. maybe. Aug 26 21:57:32 to all the twitterers in here, any chance you could RT this? https://twitter.com/shiftyaxel/status/239841380527124480 Aug 26 21:57:52 we need to get this smilies/.com bug fixed, asap Aug 26 22:03:15 need to figure out about these keyring/password issues... Aug 26 22:03:33 are they just a result of the change in encryption method... or what Aug 26 22:04:53 Aug 26 22:37:03 ShiftyAxel I am available for testing if you need. Aug 26 22:37:11 hey ShiftyAxel, just saw your tweet - are we talking about http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/61? Aug 26 22:37:38 hey pc-world! yeah, we are indeed Aug 26 22:37:54 bluen: excellent, I do in fact :D Aug 26 22:38:26 did anyone find something out about this? Aug 26 22:38:38 only what's on the issue tracker Aug 26 22:39:04 but we really need to get LunaCE into beta asap, so i thought i'd try drumming up some support Aug 26 22:39:17 and you seem quite knowledgeable where encryption is concerned :p Aug 26 22:41:35 I'll have a look at it :) Aug 26 22:42:44 are there any real apps that use it? :D Aug 26 22:43:17 the issues we have are related to the PIN and Accounts... Aug 26 22:43:32 for things like email and others. Aug 26 22:43:48 ka6sox-away: isn't that a different one than #61? Aug 26 22:43:51 ah, in that case it may not be #61that's the showstopper Aug 26 22:43:57 so, which one? :D Aug 26 22:44:06 #49 I think Aug 26 22:44:16 haha that was mine :D Aug 26 22:44:30 for some reason it worked after I played with a while :-/ Aug 26 22:44:38 *with it Aug 26 22:44:58 so (sadly?) I can't reproduce it anymore Aug 26 22:45:10 hmm Aug 26 22:46:00 ka6sox-away: thoughts? it seems that things may not be as severe as we thought Aug 26 22:48:21 bluen: let me know when you're ready to test the latest, I have a LSM binary and an app IPK to test with Aug 26 22:50:10 pc-world, we still have a bug report that says people can't get into email accounts and other htings... Aug 26 22:50:17 I suspect that was 1 person... Aug 26 22:50:44 ka6sox-away: do you mean on the forums? Aug 26 22:51:42 http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/49 Aug 26 22:51:48 ka6sox-away: that was me who reported it Aug 26 22:51:48 yours I believe :D Aug 26 22:52:10 your 49 and 61 Aug 26 22:52:18 shiftyaxel: ready Aug 26 22:52:25 and after I switched many times between stock Luna and LunaCE (and maybe I did other things as well), the problem went away, so I can't reproduce it anymore Aug 26 22:52:28 send to my pogo plug? Aug 26 22:52:55 pc-world, so you are saying that #49 and #61 are resolved? Aug 26 22:52:56 bluen: I don't have the address anymore, can you resend? Aug 26 22:53:04 (or unable to duplicate?) Aug 26 22:53:21 ka6sox-away: I'll see if #61 is related to #49, so I'll try if I can reproduce it on mine Aug 26 22:53:33 thansk Aug 26 22:53:49 ka6sox-away: well, #49 it isn't really resolved as others could have the same problem, and I'm not sure what fixed it on my TP Aug 26 22:54:12 at least I haven't seen any commits related to this Aug 26 22:54:14 do you have another TP? Aug 26 22:54:36 nope Aug 26 22:55:22 you still, however, think it is an issue? Aug 26 22:57:00 ShiftyAxel I can give you permanent access if I have an email for you Aug 26 22:59:02 ka6sox-away: well, it depends on whether other people have the same problem Aug 26 23:00:00 okay lets tweet about #49 and see if anyone in webos-ports land or #LunaCE has the same issue. Aug 26 23:02:07 ka6sox-away: it wasn't just about e-mail sync, I wasn't able to add any accounts Aug 26 23:02:42 multiple tweets! Aug 26 23:11:31 oops, just saw that the reporter of #61 didn't have any problems with accounts, so they're probably not related, but I'll try it either way Aug 26 23:17:55 ok Aug 26 23:40:27 I think I've found the problem Aug 26 23:40:30 grep ftw :D Aug 26 23:40:57 awesome :D Aug 26 23:41:01 ./Src/js/JsSysObject.cpp line 1499: "bool r = false;//encryptString( str, key, &encryptedString );" Aug 26 23:41:16 I'm not sure if or how it would make sense to fix this Aug 26 23:41:30 cause the documentation says Bluefish is the used encryption method Aug 26 23:41:43 and if we replace Bluefish with sth. else, the documentation won't be true anymore Aug 26 23:42:46 k um, 1.9ghz on uberkernel on TS pre3 is bad Aug 26 23:42:49 very bad.. Aug 26 23:45:00 * rrix looks over at the acrid black smoke rising in fxspec06's direction Aug 26 23:45:24 temp was just at 66...... O.O Aug 26 23:49:24 2.0ghz is more explodey :) Aug 26 23:50:00 bejzsesz i guess ! Aug 26 23:50:04 explody? Aug 26 23:52:05 not literally :P Aug 26 23:52:15 gets nice and toasty though Aug 26 23:52:35 i think something is wrong with it. it's got background process issues Aug 27 00:05:10 updated #61/keyring: http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/61#note-7 Aug 27 00:06:11 hmm Aug 27 00:06:22 marking it as deprecated would work, though it's a regression of sorts Aug 27 00:06:50 I don't see anyone sitting down these days and thinking 'I know, I'm going to write an app in Mojo' Aug 27 00:07:19 I'm not sure, but probably they used the same thing in Enyo 1 Aug 27 00:07:56 I think it's for a license reason that they removed Bluefish from WOCE, right? Aug 27 00:08:22 oops *Blowfish lol Aug 27 00:08:38 I would imagine it's something along those lines Aug 27 00:08:48 since everything has to be FOSS Aug 27 00:09:09 what puzzles me is why they didn't replace it with something... Aug 27 00:09:26 I guess their Blowfish implementation was FOSS but not compatible with Apache 2 Aug 27 00:09:41 well, because that would invalidate application data Aug 27 00:09:52 (and not just accounts data, where the error is handled by the OS) Aug 27 00:09:58 yeah, that's a good point Aug 27 00:10:04 and probably they were too lazy too :D Aug 27 00:12:17 hmm, a quick Ctrl+F "encryption"/"blowfish" doesn't give any results in https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/enyo/enyo-api-reference.html Aug 27 00:12:29 no, the reason is DOC rules Aug 27 00:13:31 since webOS 2 there's also the Key Manager (https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/key-manager.html), though I think that isn't really secure as you don't use a user-defined encryption key Aug 27 00:14:08 so, I'm for deprecating window.PalmSystem.decrypt and window.PalmSystem.encrypt... somewhere in the release notes or something :P Aug 27 00:15:33 "grep -ir crypt ." in Enyo 1 only returns one match (keymanager), so it definitely isn't used in Enyo Aug 27 00:20:59 ka6sox-away: what are your thoughts on deprecating those functions? Aug 27 00:29:59 so mojo apps won't be able to call that method? Aug 27 00:30:47 I guess removing it from the framework would be prudent if we were to do that... Aug 27 00:31:13 though I think the idea was just to add a note somewhere saying 'This is broken and doesn't work, so don't use it' Aug 27 00:31:20 currently, they can call it, but they're returned undefined Aug 27 00:31:26 I wouldn't remove it from the Mojo code Aug 27 00:31:36 just document that these functions aren't supported in LunaCE Aug 27 00:31:50 ShiftyAxel: yes, the latter :) Aug 27 00:32:05 if it's returning undefined then removing it would basically result in the same thing anyway :P Aug 27 00:35:12 fxspec06, did you see that Lumberjack is now on Github? Aug 27 00:35:41 ShiftyAxel: not definitely, because if the function doesn't even exist anymore, the code will probably throw an exception at the point the function was called; though that doesn't really matter as the code won't work the way it's supposed to anyway Aug 27 00:36:07 ShiftyAxel: removing it from the Mojo code would just be an extra mess in the postinst/prerm files Aug 27 01:02:45 right, time for bed Aug 27 01:02:46 nn all! Aug 27 02:04:27 folks Aug 27 02:04:36 * bhuey preps for Burning Man **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 27 02:59:57 2012