**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 28 03:00:03 2012 Aug 28 03:04:34 ShiftyAxel: will there be a new section in Preware for widgets? Aug 28 03:05:50 k4ever: that's something you'll have to ask rwhitby Aug 28 03:06:00 still hashing out the details atm Aug 28 03:06:17 ok Aug 28 03:07:41 * rwhitby wonders whether the terminology of "large notifications" and "widgets" is being confused here Aug 28 03:11:24 I don't know why... but I've tried almost everything, and I can still access all commits including the binaries... so for some reason they're still there :o Aug 28 03:11:56 (using checksums) Aug 28 03:29:39 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/LunaCE_APIs Aug 28 03:29:50 basic dynamic dashboard template now available Aug 28 03:42:31 right, time for bed Aug 28 03:42:36 nn all Aug 28 03:42:44 nn Aug 28 03:58:24 * bhuey is going to try and crash Kernel Summit events more tonight Aug 28 03:58:44 GLHF! Aug 28 04:03:58 So the guy who headed open WebOS has left for Samsung? Aug 28 04:04:13 where'd you hear this? Aug 28 04:05:47 http://yannickpellet.blogspot.com Aug 28 04:10:43 sounds like it's a credible source then, lol Aug 28 04:12:50 Strange on June 29 he wrote this about CE on his blog: "It is basically a release for everybody to play around and get acquainted with the code until Open webOS 1.0. IT supports the Touchpad, so have fun! " Aug 28 04:13:57 hmmm... Aug 28 04:16:48 Someone should call him up and have the conversation... Aug 28 04:17:18 the birds and the bees? Aug 28 04:21:09 He was the head of open WebOS and thought as late as 6 weeks ago that it would support the TouchPad. So how did he think this would happen? Aug 28 04:21:37 bluen, what ARE you talking about? Aug 28 04:21:40 sorry as late as 8 weeks ago, as late as 6 weeks before he left for Samsung Aug 28 04:21:56 His blog entry on June 29 Aug 28 04:22:54 oh sorry I misunderstood what he wrote. ***its late here... Aug 28 04:23:21 they released CE to us...to keep people interested till 1.0 came out...he didn't *say* that it would run on the TP. Aug 28 04:23:49 Yes I see now the "IT" refers to CE not 1.0. Aug 28 04:26:28 The result is a a greater understanding of Luna and the bits to make that go, the ability to modify things. Aug 28 04:57:10 anyone still up? Aug 28 04:57:35 sort of Aug 28 04:57:44 falling asleep Aug 28 04:57:46 you wanna test my changes to the mail app? Aug 28 04:58:34 dont have any email accounts setup on my test tp at the moment :( Aug 28 04:58:41 :\ Aug 28 04:59:10 is the email app in an ipk? Aug 28 05:00:21 HaDAk, ^^ Aug 28 05:00:40 it will be as soon as I fix it (so it doesn't overwrite your existing mail app) Aug 28 05:00:46 lol Aug 28 05:00:47 which, i think i'm doing right Aug 28 05:00:52 editing the appinfo.json Aug 28 05:01:15 ill let you test it first :) Aug 28 05:12:21 so far so good Aug 28 05:12:25 i didn't break anything. Aug 28 05:12:30 we'll see if it actually loads though Aug 28 05:13:54 * scoutcamper should go to bed. get up for work in 7hrs Aug 28 05:14:09 drat. Aug 28 05:14:23 ~sleep scoutcamper Aug 28 05:14:51 HaDAk, if you get it working send me a pm to the link(znc will remember it for me), ill get to it tommorow Aug 28 05:15:00 ok. Aug 28 05:16:15 apparently you can't rename the mail app, due to accounts permissions Aug 28 05:19:58 hey ka6sox, you wanna try this thing out? Aug 28 05:20:48 bbiaf...putting kidlet back down. Aug 28 05:22:14 * HaDAk drinks his own punch Aug 28 05:22:31 * HaDAk just installed his own ipk Aug 28 05:22:55 it's gorgeous ^^ Aug 28 05:23:18 send screenshot Aug 28 05:26:04 pm Aug 28 05:28:48 * HaDAk wonders if ka6sox fell asleep Aug 28 05:29:40 no but I got my kidlet back down. Aug 28 06:15:32 'night all Aug 28 13:44:29 hey people who are working on the PalmSystem.encrypt thing, DigiKat got back to me and said that DigiNote is their app that uses the function Aug 28 13:49:34 * DougReeder waves hello Aug 28 13:50:56 hey DougReeder Aug 28 13:55:13 Hi, hi! Are you waoking on some kind of patch? Aug 28 14:04:13 DougReeder: hmm? Aug 28 14:06:01 I'm wondering if you're here because you're working on a patch, to LunaSysMgr, or some other component. Aug 28 14:12:03 EricBlade: you wanna test my mail client changes? Aug 28 14:12:57 DougReeder: not really working on anything in Luna at the moment, not since the app-switch gestures and the patch that Shifty eventually turned into the custom height dash Aug 28 14:12:59 hadak, if in IPK form, i am also fine to test Aug 28 14:13:18 * DougReeder nods Aug 28 14:13:28 bluen: i sent the apk link in a pm Aug 28 14:13:30 ipk* Aug 28 14:13:47 too many *pks Aug 28 14:14:04 also did the work on trying to get it running on phones .. so i guess i'm just here as moral support, and the guy who has a good Find In All Files function :D Aug 28 14:14:53 ericblade: maybe when oWS comes out, phone issue will be easier? Aug 28 14:15:27 oh, yeah, i've also got a tentative fix for an error message that applicationManager consistently spits out, but HP seems skeptical of it so I'm not certain it should be fixed. Aug 28 14:21:03 bluen: any luck with that ipk? Aug 28 14:26:20 why is it that people stop talking when i say "hey, can you test this?" both of you guys, and three people last night. -.- Aug 28 14:28:38 Is webos in a portable state atm? Aug 28 14:28:50 how do you mean portable? Aug 28 14:28:56 I mean can it be ported Aug 28 14:28:58 it runs on phones and tablets. that you can take with you. Aug 28 14:29:09 oh, in that case... no. not until open webos is released. Aug 28 14:29:15 lol. hadak, umm.. what's your email thingie do Aug 28 14:29:31 EricBlade: remember the screenshot mockup i showed you the other day? Aug 28 14:29:32 ah right, still waiting for that :P I saw the woce github and got all excited Aug 28 14:29:38 i've been working on the header area Aug 28 14:29:56 ben1066: woce is just lunasysmgr. we can change things like the way cards are managed. Aug 28 14:30:07 ah okay Aug 28 15:21:24 hadak; Sorry got waylaid by work. It pays the bills so I come when it whistles. Will look at this now before I eat Aug 28 15:21:52 no worries bluen. i know how that goes. ^^ Aug 28 15:21:57 sometimes i forget i'm on vacation, lol Aug 28 15:22:11 Yeah did not expect. I am starving and have been waiting for over 2 hours to eat Aug 28 15:22:17 i know scoutcamper was interested in looking at it before too Aug 28 15:22:33 HaDAk, i still am, but im at work right now :/ Aug 28 15:22:42 no worries. work is important. Aug 28 15:23:15 i, personally, am waiting (ANXIOUSLY) to hear back from the nine (!!!!) interviews i've had for this one company...i should know this week whether or not i'm going to double my salary and -not- be homeless Aug 28 15:23:44 so i am just installing as a regular ipk through wosqi and i should expect it to write over the existing mail program> 9 interviews is ridiculous, you should bill them for time and anxiety Aug 28 15:28:58 HaDAk, quick! write a enyo 2 app and publish it for playbook, webos, and android. make a few $$ at least Aug 28 15:30:15 bluen: haha, yeah. Aug 28 15:30:44 scoutcamper: yeah, i wish. a) i'm not an actual javascript developer. b) that would require having "accounts" on the playbook and android Aug 28 15:30:58 scoutcamper: believe me. the extra money would be welcome. at least then i could pay the power bill. Aug 28 15:31:19 someone tell me the secret to macbook finder which is now junk. a serious problem for me as i use it constantly to search emails and docs, cant even find wosqi easily now Aug 28 15:32:35 i haven't used osx since 10.6 Aug 28 15:32:52 of course, if i get this job, they'll give me a macbook pro... Aug 28 15:32:57 * HaDAk needs this job Aug 28 15:34:18 bluen: the changes i've made to the mail app, so far, are only cosmetic -- but they should free up a lot of space in the message view. let me know what you think of the new header area. Aug 28 15:38:10 hmmn i use email extensively for work. To be honest my eyes go to the middle of the page where the text is. I loved that pic of the quick reply as that would save time. I even like the cleaner look of IOS Aug 28 15:39:46 where the date text is smaller and underneath the subject heading and the From text is smaller too. That said, mountain lion gave me the pop to have IOS mail on my macbook, tried it for a few days and then went running back to classic. Aug 28 15:39:59 that's what i'm going to -try- to implement next... it's going to require a lot more than the cosmetic changes i made before Aug 28 15:40:22 wait. we're talking about different things? i'm lost now. Aug 28 15:40:43 So to be clear, my vote is cleaner and smaller at the top, make the enhancements to things like reply and threaded email. But see if others like the headers Aug 28 15:40:53 oh, gotcha Aug 28 15:41:03 it's cleaner and smaller at the top now. more emphasis on the subject. Aug 28 15:41:12 i'm working on trying to figure out the quick reply today Aug 28 15:41:46 Yeah you want to pull the eye towards the text and then down to the reply (not to the top where the header is) Aug 28 15:42:37 yup. thus, i made everything at the top smaller. Aug 28 15:42:47 the gigantic sender icon was drawing way too much attention Aug 28 15:42:56 and the text didn't start until 2/3 the way down the page Aug 28 15:44:33 OK, small text with lots of white space does help the eye, im looking at ios here Aug 28 15:49:30 starting to like yours, could the subject header still be below the sender or no? Aug 28 15:50:21 It could be anywhere. Would it look better below the sender? Aug 28 15:52:07 its more traditional and since the subject header is like the text, the eye will group them together so more functional Aug 28 15:52:23 Its like the title to a story Aug 28 15:54:12 I like that. lemme build an ipk for you. Aug 28 15:55:06 I'm walking out to eat, be back in about 45 min to an hour, you can use dropbox or if you give me your email, i will give you editor rights to webos ports folder on my pogo like shiftyaxel has, means you can log into pogo and drop something into my external hard drive anytime Aug 28 15:55:26 pogos are cool. Aug 28 15:55:46 cool yes. also a pain in the ### too Aug 28 15:56:25 hah Aug 28 15:56:38 same link. pm'd again Aug 28 15:56:54 now that i'm updating features, i'll start versioning properly :P Aug 28 16:02:58 wow great job. amazing how a little change can radically affect usability; email used by everyone. sent you pogo invite, yes I trashed your ipk from the mac as it had the same version. be back in 45 min Aug 28 16:03:31 just drop new ones into pogo, i will install when i get back Aug 28 16:05:26 i now like it better than ios :) Aug 28 16:07:12 Yay! app-services was updated so it looks like it'll actually compile things correctly! Aug 28 16:07:45 Specifically, service and role files (which I unsuccessfully tried to hack together)! And it looks like it auto-builds db8! Aug 28 16:09:29 tyrok: cool. Go for it. Aug 28 16:11:09 anybody know how to style the edges of a text box? i wanna add an interior shadow. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 28 16:11:53 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 28 16:12:23 2012 Aug 28 16:21:42 hadak: email readme just modified for open webos, did not get achance to read it yet because of work https://github.com/openwebos/core-apps/blob/master/com.palm.app.email/README.md Aug 28 16:23:19 "...after launching the main window it is always kept open and only hidden/shown when the card is dismissed unless the window is forcibly closed using the "slingshot" (pull down and release) gesture." Aug 28 16:23:28 i didn't realize that had an actual function Aug 28 16:27:27 ooh. i have a quick reply bar. now i need to figure out how to make it work. Aug 28 16:28:05 yes slingshot for all apps is the way to really close them, that was discovered sometime within the past year , maybe in the fall or winter Aug 28 16:28:21 good to know. Aug 28 16:28:28 discovered by querying HP Aug 28 16:28:45 yay. encryption works now too! Aug 28 16:29:34 morning shiftyaxel Aug 28 16:29:42 morning bluen Aug 28 16:30:03 ok BBL , Really this time. Im opening the door..now Aug 28 16:30:06 mornin ShiftyAxel Aug 28 16:30:37 ShiftyAxel: i JUST pushed my latest revision of the mail app to bluen's pogo Aug 28 16:30:44 if you wanna snatch it outta there and test it Aug 28 16:32:25 is that "pogo" something like dropbox? Aug 28 16:32:51 https://pogoplug.com/ Aug 28 16:34:28 so... basically a network-capable hard drive? Aug 28 16:34:38 with a nice internet-ified gui Aug 28 16:36:22 pc-world, did you push a fix for the encryption stuff? Aug 28 16:36:36 ka6sox: I'll do in a few min Aug 28 16:38:19 * HaDAk might need a hand putting the logic in to send a quick reply. any volunteers? Aug 28 16:55:18 grmbl git ... -.- Aug 28 16:59:15 RIP git Aug 28 17:00:42 I'll push as soon as git does what I want it to do... Aug 28 17:06:08 currently rebuilding to make sure it works fine on master... Aug 28 17:12:30 nice, now the graphics of Luna are broken because I didn't remove object files after rebuilding from a different branch :-/ Aug 28 17:24:45 yeah, that's happened to me a few times Aug 28 17:25:02 pc-world: this will be going against features, jfyi Aug 28 17:25:52 ShiftyAxel: why features? Aug 28 17:26:11 imo it should be against both Aug 28 17:26:23 features will be going into master when we hit stable Aug 28 17:26:40 ok Aug 28 17:26:44 atm master isn't really used for anything Aug 28 17:27:33 I guess I can now stop rebuilding it on master, then apply it on features and rebuild it again Aug 28 17:38:28 ShiftyAxel: on my build, the time in the lock screen is too far up... is that because I didn't remove object files before rebuilding or another issue? Aug 28 17:38:43 pc-world: define too far up? Aug 28 17:39:17 if you're getting a load of freaky graphical behaviour I recommend make clobbering before building again Aug 28 17:42:42 ShiftyAxel: http://www.abload.de/img/encryptiontest_2012-2youhu.png Aug 28 17:43:22 pc-world: that's by far the least-severe compilation derp I've ever seen :P Aug 28 17:43:27 yeah, make clobber Aug 28 17:45:41 I'm really curious what exactly leads to these funny graphical glitches ^^ Aug 28 17:47:46 same, I just presumed some code was going in the wrong place and causing strangeness Aug 28 17:49:28 huh, I thought Safari was meant to sandbox it's pages... Aug 28 17:49:46 other pages refusing to load while my current app project refuses to != sandboxing Aug 28 17:50:18 pull request: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/41 Aug 28 17:50:50 hmm, are someone else experiencing conflicts when merging with woce/features? Aug 28 17:51:32 to my knowledge my local branch is unmodified without any changes that's not in woce/features Aug 28 17:52:20 mansandersson: that's because ShiftyAxel rewrote the history... (and I warned him :P) Aug 28 17:52:59 :P what's the best solution for a git-noob like me? Aug 28 17:53:13 mansandersson: you might want to try rebase Aug 28 17:53:25 but backup your changes before!!! Aug 28 17:53:52 rebase back to the beginning then or how long back? Aug 28 17:54:39 nope, "rebase" is a git command Aug 28 17:55:28 yes, but doesn't I have to specify which commits I want to get rid of, and then merge? Aug 28 17:55:37 checkout the branch you want to rebase, then run 'git rebase ' Aug 28 17:55:57 okay, I've only used git rebase -i before... Aug 28 17:56:05 should be something like this (but no guarantee, I'm a git noob as well): Aug 28 17:56:05 git fetch woce [or whatever you named the woce/LunaSysMgr repo] Aug 28 17:56:05 git checkout myfeaturesbranch Aug 28 17:56:05 git rebase woce/features Aug 28 17:56:37 bluen: howdy Aug 28 17:56:49 whoa howdy from bluen Aug 28 17:58:09 okay, how do I solve this: CONFLICT (rename/delete): conf/tweaks/statusbar-search.json deleted in HEAD and renamed in Move Tweaks .json files into their own subdirectory of conf/. Version Move Tweaks .json files into their own subdirectory of conf/ of conf/tweaks/statusbar-search.json left in tree. ? Aug 28 17:59:04 git rebase --skip ? Aug 28 17:59:24 umm... that error message is kind of unreadable :D (because of the commit messages) Aug 28 17:59:51 'git mergetool' Aug 28 18:00:16 that's what I use at least, it really depends on your host OS and what mergetools are available Aug 28 18:00:20 opendiff is a good one Aug 28 18:01:04 ubuntu 12.04 Aug 28 18:01:35 have tried meld Aug 28 18:03:13 for "git difftool --dir-diff" I really like Meld, though I've never used mergetool, not sure if Meld works with it Aug 28 18:06:08 gaah, git gives me headache. conflict after conflict, now there's a couple of cpp/h files conflicting. Isn't there an easy way to just copy woce/features into my master branch? Aug 28 18:06:33 mansandersson: yes, there is Aug 28 18:06:46 but backup your changes before Aug 28 18:07:17 (with "git stash", but I'd backup it somewhere outside the repo too) Aug 28 18:07:41 I have no changes that aren't in separate branches, pushed to github and pulled into features Aug 28 18:08:04 okay, then Aug 28 18:08:04 checkout anotherbranch Aug 28 18:08:11 *git checkout anotherbranch Aug 28 18:08:25 git branch -D master [or whatever branch you have the merge conflicts in] Aug 28 18:08:49 git branch master woce/master [or however you named woce/LunaSysMgr] Aug 28 18:08:58 *woce/features probably Aug 28 18:09:26 git checkout master Aug 28 18:09:43 then your "master" branch is the same as the "woce/features" branch (if that's what you wanted) Aug 28 18:10:05 yes that's what I wanted Aug 28 18:11:06 pc-world: it seemed to work, thank you very much :-) Aug 28 18:11:33 mansandersson: no problem, had the same issue an hour ago... Aug 28 18:13:56 bleh, the enyo2 event handling documentation really needs some clarification... Aug 28 18:14:12 how so? Aug 28 18:14:35 rolling along fantastically smoothly until I want to sent events up or down the object chain, then I smack straight into a brick wall because it isn't clear enough on how to do that Aug 28 18:15:06 bubble goes up Aug 28 18:15:09 waterfall goes down Aug 28 18:15:14 yeah, I know that much Aug 28 18:15:22 but the doc says that the handlers block is preferable to use Aug 28 18:15:38 handlers just sets up the callback Aug 28 18:15:46 the do thing? Aug 28 18:16:10 it's just a wrapper for bubble Aug 28 18:16:16 I'm guessing that's where I'm going wrong, since i'm trying to send an event up from a seperate enyo.kind({}); definition Aug 28 18:16:43 it shouldn't matter, so long as your separate kind is nested Aug 28 18:16:53 pc-world: one more thing... git now complains that I have no access to woce/LunaSysMgr.git when pushing Aug 28 18:17:03 does Enyo 2 still not have something like "global events"? Aug 28 18:17:18 mansandersson: well... do you have push access to the woce repo at all? Aug 28 18:17:27 pc-world: something like enyo.Signals? Aug 28 18:17:40 no, but why is it trying to push to woce? Aug 28 18:17:52 well, you tell git where to push... Aug 28 18:18:04 "push *reponame* *branchname*" Aug 28 18:18:17 (and you probably have to use "--force" now as well) Aug 28 18:19:05 I really have to learn this. thank you very much Aug 28 18:19:30 now everything seems fine Aug 28 18:19:39 mansandersson: that one is a nice start: http://git-scm.com/book Aug 28 18:20:06 thanks Aug 28 18:20:38 hadak; Saw 4.1 in pogo and installed it. like the of quick reply. Is there a way to make it a larger box than one sentence or is it that I cant figure out how to do a return? I also think the bottom bar where the reply icon is should be hidden if it can be as you type onthe keyboard Aug 28 18:20:39 summatusmentis: nested as in a component of my top-level kind? Aug 28 18:20:44 summatusmentis: okay, seems that's what I meant, thanks Aug 28 18:21:18 ShiftyAxel: a component of wherever you're trying to send the event Aug 28 18:21:21 hadak: im trying vertical now with quick reply and looks much better than horizontal--this is just an aside Aug 28 18:21:44 ShiftyAxel: if you have to go up, and then back down, the tree, you should be using enyo.Signals Aug 28 18:22:00 summatusmentis: it is, but as a {kind: "FooKind"} where FooKind is defined outside the toplevel kind Aug 28 18:22:21 that shouldn't matter Aug 28 18:22:49 let's head to #enyojs so we're not off topic Aug 28 18:23:20 hehe, I think I've got it down now Aug 28 18:28:15 The next time you get merge conflict with git, you might try cherry-picking the changes, and applying them to a fresh, known-good branch. Aug 28 18:29:30 DougReeder: or "git stash" the changes before Aug 28 18:31:24 Yeah, I just don't use stash myself, pc-world. Aug 28 18:31:35 oh wait, i'm a giant idiot, forgot the events block... Aug 28 18:31:50 that's important :) Aug 28 18:33:59 yes, yes it is :P Aug 28 18:54:04 is anybody else experiencing increased battery drain with lunace? Aug 28 18:55:02 pc-world: gasp! you just did ka6sox's job for him! :P Aug 28 18:56:32 ShiftyAxel: lol - If ka6sox wants to do something, I'll have better jobs for him :P Aug 28 20:33:48 hey dkirker Aug 28 20:34:14 EricBlade: BYTE ME!!! Aug 28 20:34:17 I mean.... Aug 28 20:34:18 Hi!!! :D Aug 28 20:34:29 how are you EricBlade? Aug 28 20:34:39 dkirker: oh, i was just going to say how goes? but if you want to be like that.. Aug 28 20:34:40 :) Aug 28 20:35:10 "Byte me 8-bit metal ass. And that's byte with a y. hehehehehe" -Bender Aug 28 20:38:41 ...and Lexmark exits the consumer printer business. HP really will need an OS for their printers, now. Aug 28 20:44:15 ericblade, I saw that news. what do you mean they will need an OS? Aug 28 20:44:35 i mean, the future of webOS. Printers. Aug 28 20:45:07 right dkirker ? Aug 28 20:46:09 EricBlade: hehe :P I heard that a webOS printer did exist. But it was scrapped because the idea of gluing what amounted to a full-featured tablet to a printer seemed odd.... Aug 28 20:46:16 But, I actually know nothing about it. Aug 28 20:46:42 odd? don't you mean awesome ? Aug 28 20:46:53 I think it seemed cool. Aug 28 20:47:04 But then again, I am not an SVP of a Fortune 500 company... :S Aug 28 20:47:21 dkirker: how is ISIS coming? you da' man... Aug 28 20:47:27 What do I know about "cool" and customer demand? Aug 28 20:47:38 * dkirker snorts at the fact that the TouchPad had a glossy back Aug 28 20:48:10 * ShiftyAxel snorts in agreement Aug 28 20:48:28 i think that's better than whatever the hell the ipad 2 has Aug 28 20:48:36 whatever kind of metal thing Aug 28 20:49:32 it's also better than whatever is on the playbook, which feels like a fake version of the Pre back Aug 28 20:49:49 then again lots of things on the playbook feel like cheap fake versions of things palm did Aug 28 20:52:27 for me, glossy black plastic feels as cheap as hell Aug 28 20:52:38 especially since it has an overwhelming propensity to crack Aug 28 20:56:39 ShiftyAxel: is that bug known? sometimes when you swipe up *at the side* when in a card, card view shows up (or if in card view, then launcher shows up); gesture detection = slide Aug 28 20:57:23 interesting, that bug must have come back with the gesture overhaul in 4.4.x Aug 28 20:57:30 swiping down at the side has the same result Aug 28 20:57:33 can you open an issue for it in the tracker? Aug 28 20:57:38 sure Aug 28 21:24:32 bluen: I am soooooooo close!! I am having to clear off my hard drive because I have like 100GB of disk images on it for my work, and 1GB of free space. VMWare was refusing to run.... :P Aug 28 21:26:55 dkirker: cool. vmware is a hog, i agree Aug 28 21:27:44 gesture detection is really strange since this or a few updates ago... Aug 28 21:27:59 sometimes when I just tap at the side, some gesture (e.g. app switch gesture) is recognized Aug 28 21:33:40 bluen: Yeah. The issue here is that my hard drive was almost full! And I am using the dynamic disk partition feature, so VMWare grows the vm's disks.... bad news for an almost full drive... Aug 28 21:42:27 ? Aug 28 21:42:34 dkirker: hate that when i am spending hours just cleaning and optimizing. good luck Aug 28 21:42:54 dkirker: my experience on that is that it's kind of a misnomer, because you actually have to resize the disk yourself, because there aren't any OS's that would ignore the partition table and tell it to use more space than it actually has, or something like that Aug 28 21:43:12 bluen: thanks! The slow part is copying these images over 8GB/16GB to network storage... Aug 28 21:43:26 morning guys Aug 28 21:44:00 EricBlade: IIRC, VMWare presents a 20GB partition (that is what I set it up as) to the OS, and grows the virtual image in 2GB steps when needed. Aug 28 21:44:04 though there may be other ways to get it to work that i'm not aware of, just slapping ubuntu down in a 20gig vm drive, results in it never growing, because the OS will never ask for more size, so you have to manually resize it, then manually resize the partition Aug 28 21:44:39 So, the guest OS sees 20GB, but VMWare steps it as needed, when needed. Aug 28 21:44:49 Grabber5_0: hey Aug 28 21:44:59 Grabber5_0: did you see my bugtracker update? Aug 28 21:45:19 yeah, see, that's what i -thought- it would do too. but after running out of space, i discovered that once you hit that limit, you have to force a resize, then figure out a way to resize it on the fake partition table Aug 28 21:46:01 pcworld_win7: yes, but haven't had time to reply. Aug 28 21:46:17 okay Aug 28 21:46:39 I've only tested it with my few example strings so far Aug 28 21:47:53 I can put it through it's paces with a big ol' encrypted keyring file :-) Aug 28 21:48:20 I assume you've backed it up somehow? :P Aug 28 21:48:31 I will need a pre-built binary -- I don't have time to set up a build env Aug 28 21:48:31 EricBlade: I'll have to check my settings. Not sure what I set it at. I know my Windows VM I had set to a static 20GB (maybe in 2GB chunks), and had to do voo doo magic to grow it... Aug 28 21:48:43 oh yeah back it up religiously!! :-) Aug 28 21:48:48 Grabber5_0: okay, I'll post it Aug 28 21:49:01 Grabber5_0: do you know how to deploy the LunaSysMgr binary to your TP? Aug 28 21:49:19 just don't post it in git and get yelled at ;-) Aug 28 21:49:51 pcworld_win7 only from Preware -- what does this method entail? Aug 28 21:50:26 Grabber5_0: do you know how to use a terminal on your OS? Aug 28 21:50:56 yes Aug 28 21:51:10 putty is my friend Aug 28 21:51:37 okay fine Aug 28 21:54:36 pcworld: quitter! ;-) Aug 28 21:54:49 Grabber5_0: that was my TouchPad ^^ Aug 28 22:04:59 are these instructions going to be posted somewhere or are you going to email them? Aug 28 22:05:38 Grabber5_0: I'll post them... I'm currently still trying to get the right binary as I'm in Windows 7 right now Aug 28 22:12:01 Grabber5_0: http://www.mediafire.com/?clwnl4q17792q26 Aug 28 22:12:15 I guess you have novacom installed already Aug 28 22:13:08 what's nocacom? :-P Aug 28 22:13:27 sorry, you're probably tired of my jokes now :-) Aug 28 22:13:42 Grabber5_0: I was just about explaining what novacom is :P Aug 28 22:13:48 grr stupid autocorrect! Aug 28 22:14:49 Grabber5_0: cd into the directory you downloaded the binary to, then run these commands: http://pastebin.com/ZMxmPb1F Aug 28 22:15:12 Grabber5_0: of course, use at your own risk Aug 28 22:15:33 forgot to click 'download link' at first.. yeah, I wanted to display that in my Touchpad's browser :/ Aug 28 22:16:12 Grabber5_0: you'll need a PC to install it Aug 28 22:16:54 but you're right, webOS' browser's download detection/mechanism is really screwed up Aug 28 22:18:01 I can't copy it over and run those commands from the shell on webOS I guess? that's what I figured I'd need to do. easier than novacom commands usually Aug 28 22:18:47 Grabber5_0: well, after "novacom run -- file:///sbin/stop LunaSysMgr" your TouchPad won't respond anymore :P Aug 28 22:18:49 guess I'll have to fire up my other laptop.. can't get on medafire from work laptop Aug 28 22:19:04 I can upload it somewhere else too... Aug 28 22:19:25 you could dl it from your touchpad and grab it from /media/internal Aug 28 22:19:59 LarrySteeze|TP: that would only work if he runs all the commands in one (via &&) Aug 28 22:20:37 pcworld_win7 there's that...or I was actually insinuating that he pull it back to his PC Aug 28 22:20:40 then run the commands Aug 28 22:21:00 just to save booting up his other machine Aug 28 22:24:09 is there an md5 for this? I used download manager to pull it down on my tp Aug 28 22:24:40 that should be standard fare anyway since I'm trusting you with my touchpad :D Aug 28 22:25:48 ugh I thought md5 would be on the touchpad somewhere Aug 28 22:27:34 stupid Win7 WiFi driver... Aug 28 22:27:44 :-) Aug 28 22:28:13 Grabber5_0: it's md5sum Aug 28 22:29:12 Grabber5_0: b878b16ba2a36727bdc2800887e334aa Aug 28 22:31:18 looks right Aug 28 22:31:46 for a silly little app, it comes in handy sometimes Aug 28 22:32:32 I keep hitting the edge of the screen with my fingers while I'm typing and causing the vkb to disappear :'( Aug 28 22:33:35 going to drop while I do this Aug 28 22:38:03 I just hope he'll be able to come back :D Aug 28 22:47:29 grabber... grabber... graaabber's TouchPad... are you still alive? :P Aug 28 22:47:32 On my phone atm Aug 28 22:48:59 I was playing around in putty, I don't think it would be a problem to do it that way, but I'll use novacom if you recommend against it Aug 28 22:49:20 putty is SSH, right? ^^ Aug 28 22:49:29 Yes Aug 28 22:49:43 yes, should work too Aug 28 22:49:45 'cept on Windows Aug 28 22:50:05 of course, just call "stop LunaSysMgr" etc. then Aug 28 22:50:10 you've done this via ssh I trust? Aug 28 22:50:25 nope, I always use novacom Aug 28 22:50:32 me as well Aug 28 22:50:48 novacom=supported method Aug 28 22:50:53 instead of "novacom put ..." just transfer the file via SSH Aug 28 22:51:40 Hehe. I will stick to supported methods, unless you're open to creating new supported methods :D Aug 28 22:51:56 using SSH there should be no real difference Aug 28 22:52:20 you could probably even do it with wTerm if you put all commands into one Aug 28 22:53:10 or I could create an IPK... but transfering via novacom is simpler than that Aug 28 22:53:42 No, I'm good with this Aug 28 22:54:38 As they say before every disaster: "Trust me. I know what I'm doing." :D Aug 28 22:55:50 what's the version # string? Aug 28 22:56:41 Grabber: still 4.4.2 Aug 28 22:57:03 Won't I need to do a device restart as usual? Aug 28 22:57:23 may as well just try it first :) Aug 28 22:57:37 all is well with Luna thus far Aug 28 22:57:42 Grabber: SSH works fine, it's what I use most of the time Aug 28 22:58:31 I figured someone else was doing it Aug 28 22:58:32 Grabber: err... these commands were supposed to do a Luna restart Aug 28 22:59:16 It did, but from Preware it does a device restart now Aug 28 22:59:45 figuring I will need to Aug 28 23:00:14 what did you do in Preware Aug 28 23:00:43 question mark isn't working in the current versionvin qwertz keyboard layout... Aug 28 23:00:46 lol nothing u just meant when you install from Preware :) Aug 28 23:01:00 I not u. Aug 28 23:01:01 ahh Aug 28 23:01:16 no Luna restart is fine if you just replace the binary Aug 28 23:01:22 ok Aug 28 23:01:34 need to reinstall my test ipk Aug 28 23:01:39 and Keyring Aug 28 23:03:38 Keyring successfully imported my data; all 187 items Aug 28 23:04:45 pcworld_win7: are you testing the encryption fix? Aug 28 23:04:52 are the decrypted values correct Aug 28 23:04:58 ShiftyAxel: yes, he is Aug 28 23:05:06 pcworld: awesome, and it works for you? Aug 28 23:05:08 *question Aug 28 23:05:12 So far Aug 28 23:05:39 this is good, if you point me in the direction of a couple of apps to test with I can join in and we can get this merged (if successful) Aug 28 23:06:59 I haven't tested it with any real world apps yet Aug 28 23:07:04 My test ipk also worked Aug 28 23:07:19 I know there's SecuStore 1 and this Keyring app Aug 28 23:07:33 Grabber: great Aug 28 23:07:38 Keyring is a good testcase.. it makes heavy use of it and encrypts large amounts of json data Aug 28 23:07:47 it is in Preware. Aug 28 23:08:03 cool, I'll build and test Aug 28 23:09:02 Grabber: did you also try *en*cryption Aug 28 23:09:32 I'll give Reboxed another try, but I'm pretty sure the login is broken anyway. Aug 28 23:10:02 my test ipk was a round-trip test. Aug 28 23:10:25 ill add a new password entry to Keyring and restore it to my Pre. Aug 28 23:18:38 Ok successfully exported from encrypted file from Touchpad and imported it onto my Pre, containing new password created on patched Touchpad. Aug 28 23:23:52 I'll try ClassicNote again if I can figure out how it works Aug 28 23:24:33 Grabber: thanks for your help :) Aug 28 23:24:59 keyring is functional for me Aug 28 23:25:19 creating + accessing passwords works consistently Aug 28 23:28:25 far better than the previous 100% failure rate :-) Aug 28 23:29:20 pc-world, Grabber5_0: would you guys mark this one as a success? Aug 28 23:29:30 LarrySteeze is compiling now as well Aug 28 23:29:49 I haven't heard from Dirk in a while.. I think it is time to submit my full-screen modded version of Keyring as a new app. Aug 28 23:30:06 ShiftyAxel: as said, I didn't try any real-world scenarios Aug 28 23:30:50 on the encryption, in case anyone missed it, DigiNote also uses the encrypt/decrypt functions Aug 28 23:31:00 Sorry missed that line. It was absolutely success for me. My Keyring backup/restore is how I sync my devices and back up my data. Aug 28 23:31:30 no I didn't see that Eric. Is it free or paid? Aug 28 23:32:48 Grabber5_0: paid Aug 28 23:32:50 Guess I can just do this on the TouchPad now. :-) Not as fun on a phone. Aug 28 23:34:06 Keyring in full screen is much more useful on the Touchpad than in that little window. I've been hesitant to release my own version as I don't know the code all that well yet. But Dirk seems to be gone for good, and it is open-source Aug 28 23:36:04 haha I can't access my encrypted notes on Classic Note because I created them when encryption was borked :-P Time to run save/restore and do it agsin. Aug 28 23:37:45 it was acting all kinds of crazy then. I'm hoping it makes more sense when it is working. Aug 28 23:39:17 ok apparently save/restore doesn't touch the password.. time to delete and re-install Aug 28 23:40:12 ShiftyAxel: I think the recently introduced gesture detection bugs should be fixed before releasing it as beta Aug 28 23:40:56 ssometimes if I just tap on the side of the screen it's recognized as gesture Aug 28 23:41:11 (not always but often) Aug 28 23:42:39 that's what was happening to me when typing Aug 28 23:44:07 and if I tap on the bottom of the screen it'll often go into card view Aug 28 23:56:16 I'll take a peek and see what I can do about it Aug 29 00:03:55 I have to go eat ice cream. :-) Aug 29 01:59:41 morning dkirker. Did you get vmware fixed? Aug 29 02:53:01 wow, i reset my luna to stock on both my main and my dev pad .. dev pad second. the dev pad was completely rebooted and on it's way to installing the new beta, before the main pad was even to the launcher Aug 29 02:55:51 yeah. i just saw it was ready. i'm going to install stock, then install beta. Aug 29 02:55:56 what new changes are there? Aug 29 02:57:37 finally, both rebooted in **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 29 02:59:58 2012