**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 30 03:00:02 2012
Aug 30 06:15:27 <Daughain> Anyone awake?
Aug 30 06:32:14 <ka6sox> no
Aug 30 06:32:36 <ka6sox> well..not exactly true...I'm 1/2 awake...
Aug 30 06:33:04 <Daughain> Might you be awake enough to answer some questions?
Aug 30 06:33:14 <ka6sox> I can try...
Aug 30 06:33:30 <ka6sox> shoot
Aug 30 06:34:47 <Daughain> I'm curious to the an idea of what is involved in porting owOS onto an older linux kernel, such as 3.1. Not specifics, just a general idea so I understand better what you guys do for us.
Aug 30 06:35:24 <ka6sox> I don't consider 3.1 a particularly OLD kernel...
Aug 30 06:35:27 <Daughain> And yes, I hAve a vague idea how complex this is.
Aug 30 06:35:34 <ka6sox> 2.6.35 is OLD.
Aug 30 06:35:51 <ka6sox> Daughain, what target?
Aug 30 06:35:52 <Daughain> 3.1 is old enough to have supported hardware. :-)
Aug 30 06:36:10 <ka6sox> (arch is good enough)
Aug 30 06:37:04 <Daughain> Everyone's talking about getting owos onto say, the touchpad. Or the galaxy nexus.
Aug 30 06:37:46 <ka6sox> for the Touchpad I suspect that will be a significant problem to accomplish
Aug 30 06:37:52 <Daughain> While I know an accepts le amount about the hardware, I know next to nothing about the software aide.
Aug 30 06:38:05 <Daughain> Side.
Aug 30 06:38:48 <ka6sox> drivers will probably be next to impossible to get for a 3.1 kernel for an AQP8060
Aug 30 06:39:06 <ka6sox> s/AQP8060/APQ8060
Aug 30 06:39:29 <Daughain> How hard is it to write them from scratch?
Aug 30 06:39:55 <ka6sox> how many children do you want to sacrifice to Qualcomm?
Aug 30 06:40:04 <Daughain> I don't know this stuff, that's why I ask.
Aug 30 06:40:10 <Daughain> Lol, ok.
Aug 30 06:40:49 <Daughain> FAir answer.
Aug 30 06:41:35 <Daughain> How about for the msm8960?
Aug 30 06:41:55 <ka6sox> do you have a lot of children you find spare?
Aug 30 06:42:16 <ka6sox> see 4 lines up
Aug 30 06:43:46 <Daughain> If I had children, I would consider them all spare. But I get your point.  Apq8060 is the TP, msm8960t is the newest s4. Can android drivers be used in some way?
Aug 30 06:44:04 <ka6sox> not yet
Aug 30 06:44:39 <Daughain> So, unless the community can get manufacturer help, we're kinda stuck?
Aug 30 06:45:09 <ka6sox> you mean for Touchpad? I think what we are doing with LunaCE is what we can expect
Aug 30 06:45:42 <Daughain> I mean porting owOS onto, say the SGS III.
Aug 30 06:45:57 <ka6sox> unknown
Aug 30 06:46:39 <ka6sox> we don't discuss porting targets as its bad to even mention a name...then it gets reported as "it will happen"
Aug 30 06:46:43 <Daughain> Unless the community can get help from Qualcomm, correct?
Aug 30 06:47:06 <Daughain> That's why I was trying to ask a general question, w/o naming a device.
Aug 30 06:47:11 <ka6sox> Qualcomm is "Customer Focused" and will respond to customer requests.
Aug 30 06:47:52 <Daughain> Qualcomm also wants $2m for access to s4 info.
Aug 30 06:48:01 <ka6sox> there you go
Aug 30 06:48:09 <ka6sox> problem solved...
Aug 30 06:48:26 <wrea> They take monopoly money? LO
Aug 30 06:48:28 <wrea> :P*
Aug 30 06:48:30 <Daughain> I was hoping translucent be the answer.
Aug 30 06:48:32 <ka6sox> heh
Aug 30 06:48:41 <ka6sox> its very clear...
Aug 30 06:49:30 <Daughain> We start a donation fund?
Aug 30 06:49:32 <Daughain> :-)
Aug 30 06:49:39 <ka6sox> we have one going
Aug 30 06:49:46 <Daughain> Where?
Aug 30 06:50:03 <ka6sox> http://bit.ly/webathon-2012
Aug 30 06:50:11 <Daughain> Thanks.
Aug 30 06:50:15 <ka6sox> yw
Aug 30 06:50:30 <ka6sox> in order for us to port things we need devices...
Aug 30 06:50:55 <ka6sox> some will suceed, some will fail....
Aug 30 06:58:45 <ka6sox> Daughain, anything else?
Aug 30 06:59:17 <Daughain> ka6sox: that's it for now, thanks for your help.
Aug 30 06:59:29 <ka6sox> you are welcome...have a good evening
Aug 30 06:59:32 <Daughain> Need to reboot my tp again.
Aug 30 06:59:47 <ka6sox> are you using LunaCE?
Aug 30 07:00:57 <Daughain> Not yet. I have no other computer, so I don't take as many risks with my tp these days. Have a memorial somewhere.
Aug 30 07:01:13 <Daughain> Memleak
Aug 30 07:02:24 <ka6sox> okay
Aug 30 07:02:38 <ka6sox> be safe...
Aug 30 07:03:04 <Daughain> Safe travels.
Aug 30 07:47:06 <Daughain> CE doesn't like the changes I've made.  :-P
Aug 30 11:09:10 <shadavis08> morning all
Aug 30 11:20:11 <pc-world> pull request for #101: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/42
Aug 30 11:46:37 <shadavis08> good morning
Aug 30 13:14:44 <swisstomcat> who here is simon?
Aug 30 13:14:52 <swisstomcat> can you msg me? :)
Aug 30 13:17:15 <stefan_schmidt_w> swisstomcat: Simon Busch? Thats morphis
Aug 30 13:17:23 <swisstomcat> yeah
Aug 30 13:17:54 <swisstomcat> danke
Aug 30 13:18:04 <stefan_schmidt_w> swisstomcat: bitte :)
Aug 30 13:19:29 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: thanks for forwarding :)
Aug 30 13:19:49 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: :)
Aug 30 13:22:47 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: btw how are you?
Aug 30 13:23:24 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: good, thanks. Just came back from a vacation in good old Germany on Monday.
Aug 30 13:23:35 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: Catching up with work here
Aug 30 13:24:12 <morphis> hehe, and missing the good old home country?
Aug 30 13:24:22 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: a bit, yes
Aug 30 13:24:55 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: met friends and family, attended a wedding and various parties. Was a good time.
Aug 30 13:25:35 <morphis> sounds like a good vacation :)
Aug 30 13:25:47 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: yup, weather was also good.
Aug 30 13:25:56 <stefan_schmidt_w> Back in rainy UK now :D
Aug 30 13:26:12 <morphis> wether is not really better here right now ...
Aug 30 13:27:01 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: pssst, don't tell me. Will keep the memories. :)
Aug 30 13:27:09 <morphis> :)
Aug 30 13:28:47 <swisstomcat> rain here as well .. oh well
Aug 30 13:29:11 <stefan_schmidt_w> swisstomcat: its rain season ;)
Aug 30 13:33:20 <tyrok_phone> So...going to try to do some documenting today.  Documented a few more WebPageClient methods.  What else is most urgently needed?
Aug 30 14:11:23 <pc-world> what's the current way to create a LunaCE ipk?
Aug 30 14:11:37 <pc-world> the code in woce/woce-build/alpha seems outdated
Aug 30 14:31:02 <swisstomcat> interesting: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Intel-Smartphone-von-ZTE-ab-September-1695686.html
Aug 30 14:33:24 <stefan_schmidt_w> swisstomcat: they should mention the expected battery time :)
Aug 30 14:33:48 <swisstomcat> yeah, apparently it's getting better with those new atoms
Aug 30 14:34:28 <stefan_schmidt_w> swisstomcat: I hear the same, but a real proof is missing. :)
Aug 30 14:34:35 <ShiftyAxel> it'll run fast as hell… for about five minutes :P
Aug 30 14:35:02 <stefan_schmidt_w> heh
Aug 30 15:02:41 <pc-world> I finally found the "I don't want to be notified of changes that I make myself" setting on the bugtracker :)
Aug 30 15:03:50 <pc-world> is the server time of the bugtracker wrong? I just commented on a bug, time is 03:26pm
Aug 30 15:14:56 <pc-world> is there any reason the number row doesn't take the whole width? number keys are a bit small since the arrow keys are included in the number row
Aug 30 15:17:25 <ShiftyAxel> was it your bug? maybe it tracks them on the TZ of whoever reported it
Aug 30 15:17:39 <ShiftyAxel> and not particular reason I'm aware of
Aug 30 15:17:43 <ShiftyAxel> s/not/no/
Aug 30 15:17:43 <WoceBot> ShiftyAxel meant: and no particular reason I'm aware of
Aug 30 15:18:03 <ShiftyAxel> the next release will actually have a 'z' key on the dvorak layout too, how exciting :D
Aug 30 15:21:36 <pc-world> ShiftyAxel: if it's about 5:03pm here, I don't think it's 3:26pm anywhere in the world ;)
Aug 30 15:22:22 <pc-world> ShiftyAxel: so can I do a pull request which gives the number row full width?
Aug 30 15:24:18 <ShiftyAxel> pc-world: yeah, feel free
Aug 30 15:54:13 <pc-world> https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/43
Aug 30 15:54:58 <ShiftyAxel> sweet, will test
Aug 30 15:57:00 <mansandersson> pc-world: nice work on the keyboards
Aug 30 15:58:43 <pc-world> ShiftyAxel: I just updated my branch to comply with the license (by using force-push)
Aug 30 16:00:11 <ShiftyAxel> pc-world: looking good, pull request accepted!
Aug 30 16:04:55 <pc-world> I also played around with a real QWERTZ that actually includes German umlauts... since the change is quite noticeable (e.g. smaller keys, especially shift and enter key), should I make that an extra keyboard layout or overwrite the current QWERTZ?
Aug 30 16:05:40 <ShiftyAxel> mansandersson: any thoughts on this? ^^^
Aug 30 16:06:13 <mansandersson> pc-world: how much smaller are the keys? is it usable?
Aug 30 16:06:21 <pc-world> mansandersson: screenshot of my initial version: http://forums.webosnation.com/attachments/webos-internals/65732d1346332589-lunace-4-x-webos-qwertz-umlauts.png
Aug 30 16:06:54 <mansandersson> if we should have 2 we should add them as different keymaps to the german
Aug 30 16:07:25 <mansandersson> is this the same layout used on actual keyboards?
Aug 30 16:07:36 <pc-world> mansandersson: yes (except for special chars)
Aug 30 16:08:19 <pc-world> (e.g. on a real QWERTZ there's § on 3 instead of @)
Aug 30 16:08:27 <pc-world> and the s sharp (ß) is next to the 0
Aug 30 16:08:34 <mansandersson> okay, close enough :-P
Aug 30 16:09:43 <mansandersson> it doesn't look like anymore keys than the swedish layout https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5179395/swedishkeyboard.png
Aug 30 16:09:55 <mansandersson> and I use that daily without feeling its too much...
Aug 30 16:10:02 <mansandersson> on the other hand I don't touch-type on my touchpad
Aug 30 16:11:17 <mansandersson> if you're not pushing it I wouldn't mind looking at your changes and applying some of them on the swedish layout ;-)
Aug 30 16:12:14 <pc-world> mansandersson: yes, though I made the first shift key a bit smaller, the second shift key way larger and the enter key smaller, so that the position of the keys is more exact (to comply more with a real QWERTZ)
Aug 30 16:13:47 <pc-world> mansandersson: http://pastebin.com/pkmiP4px
Aug 30 16:14:13 <mansandersson> thanks
Aug 30 16:15:00 <mansandersson> I would have either replaced it or kept it as it is. Having two qwertz layouts will be confusing for the user
Aug 30 16:16:01 <pc-world> probably
Aug 30 16:16:18 <mansandersson> I like the new one better but that's just me
Aug 30 16:16:27 <pc-world> and I think everyone is pissed off for having to long-press some keys just to get umlauts
Aug 30 16:16:58 <pc-world> because äöü are just as frequently used as other letters
Aug 30 16:17:02 <pc-world> (in German)
Aug 30 16:17:20 <pc-world> *of having to
Aug 30 16:17:46 <mansandersson> that's the same reason I created the swedish layouts
Aug 30 16:18:23 <mansandersson> qwertz is just used for german languages, right? or there are "american qwertz"?
Aug 30 16:18:36 <pc-world> mansandersson: nope, I think just German
Aug 30 16:19:23 <mansandersson> well then I don't see why we shouldn't have separate äöü keys
Aug 30 16:19:49 <pc-world> okay, seems I might be wrong: "Models based on QWERTZ are used in the majority of Eastern Europe, South-Eastern Europe and Central European countries that use the Latin alphabet"
Aug 30 16:19:49 <pc-world> +screenshots on the right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTZ
Aug 30 16:20:15 <pc-world> but in "regional settings" it's now named "German" and not "QWERTZ", so that shouldn't be a problem I think
Aug 30 16:20:45 <mansandersson> exactly, we could have Swizz, Serbian and Hungarian layouts too one day
Aug 30 16:20:57 <pc-world> right
Aug 30 16:22:09 <pc-world> two people requested that I shall replace the .com key with .de... though I'm not sure about that, I'd prefer .com
Aug 30 16:22:46 <mansandersson> I added the .se key on swedish keyboards on the contextual menu (long press) of the same reason
Aug 30 16:23:28 <pc-world> mansandersson: .de is already in the context menu of qwertz
Aug 30 16:23:32 <mansandersson> okay
Aug 30 16:23:51 <mansandersson> you could argue that you save more work by clicking .com and .de (one key less) :-P
Aug 30 16:24:50 <mansandersson> we should probably take some kind of decision of how we want it to be, if we have the de key on german layout then we should have se on swedish and so on
Aug 30 16:25:31 <pc-world> yeah
Aug 30 16:25:45 <pc-world> I think best would be a graphical keyboard editor for users... but that would be too much work :D
Aug 30 16:26:01 <mansandersson> :-) yes
Aug 30 16:26:21 <mansandersson> was thinking about implementing keyboard layout files to accompany lunace but that was also too much work at that time
Aug 30 16:26:24 <pc-world> also, XML [or JSON, if you want] might be more suited for that than C... though I wouldn't want to do this ^^
Aug 30 16:27:07 <mansandersson> with all the extended keys and so its quite a bit of work yes
Aug 30 16:27:17 <mansandersson> anyhow de/se or com?
Aug 30 16:27:35 <pc-world> huh, I personally prefer .com... maybe we should create poll on the forums or something :D
Aug 30 16:27:48 <pc-world> I think the devs here have too less contact with "real users"
Aug 30 16:28:01 <mansandersson> yes that sounds good
Aug 30 16:28:02 <mansandersson> true
Aug 30 16:28:09 <pc-world> all the bug reports on the forums almost never make it into the bugtracker
Aug 30 16:29:01 <pc-world> though I think because *all* the LunaCE talk is in one forum thread, is really confusing
Aug 30 16:29:10 <pc-world> *it's
Aug 30 16:30:08 <mansandersson> yes, it's hard to get it all in, we should have our own forum in the "webos open source" category or something
Aug 30 16:30:11 <pc-world> if it was a subforum where each problem/bug report etc. had it's own thread, the forums would be more usel
Aug 30 16:30:22 <pc-world> *useful
Aug 30 16:32:57 <pc-world> if the return key had an image instead of text, it would be easier to make it smaller
Aug 30 16:34:03 <mansandersson> do you really want it to get any smaller than it is?
Aug 30 16:34:48 <pc-world> you mean smaller than in the qwerty or in my modified qwertz layout?
Aug 30 16:35:56 <mansandersson> smaller than in your layout
Aug 30 16:36:30 <pc-world> no, I don't want to
Aug 30 16:36:36 <pc-world> but the text is pretty small already
Aug 30 16:36:49 <mansandersson> that's true
Aug 30 16:36:54 <pc-world> and in German the text is even longer ("Eingeben") - haven't tested it yet, but it's probably unreadable
Aug 30 16:43:13 <EricBlade> there is a battery draining force field around me.  My PlayBook just bleeped 8% battery remaining, my Android just shut off, and my Pre3 just hit the 20% battery warning. all of them were on the charger until about 6 hrs ago
Aug 30 16:43:26 <mansandersson> pc-world: should I create the poll?
Aug 30 16:44:23 <pc-world> mansandersson: just noticed that replacing .com by .de might be even some kind of discrimination... :D because Germany isn't the only German-speaking country...
Aug 30 16:44:52 <mansandersson> :-D
Aug 30 16:45:06 <pc-world> except there would be a keyboard layout for each country instead of each language... but that would be too many I guess :P
Aug 30 16:45:48 <mansandersson> yes, at least for now
Aug 30 16:49:24 <pc-world> mansandersson: but, of course you can create the poll
Aug 30 16:50:10 <mansandersson> okay, just making sure we doesn't get two polls ;-)
Aug 30 16:50:37 <mansandersson> and yes the Enter gets really tiny when you hold the touchpad in portrait mode
Aug 30 16:51:41 <pc-world> ...any designers around here?
Aug 30 16:51:59 <pc-world> or people who know how to Google for an MIT-licensed enter icon :P
Aug 30 16:52:05 <pc-world> *to google
Aug 30 16:53:05 <pc-world> especially cool would be an svg that could scretch to fill up the key's size
Aug 30 16:58:00 <mansandersson> pc-world: I increased the weight of the enter key to 1 and it looked better, see https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5179395/swedishkeyboard2.png
Aug 30 16:58:36 <mansandersson> pc-world: we have an option in Regional Settings that are "Formats" - we could base the tld key on that one if we'd like
Aug 30 17:00:16 <pc-world> mansandersson: if any user would ever find or change it is another question... but yes, options are always good
Aug 30 17:01:05 <mansandersson> pc-world: I thought most of us did change it so that the date and such is read correct
Aug 30 17:02:40 <pc-world> mansandersson: hmm, it seems, currently, you can only change the "format country", but not any specific settings - or am I missing something?
Aug 30 17:03:15 <mansandersson> poll done http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/318133-lunace-com-local-tld-s-de-se-so.html
Aug 30 17:03:40 <mansandersson> pc-world: that's true, so you select Germany there and you get .de on your keyboard for example
Aug 30 17:04:46 <shadavis08> howdy
Aug 30 17:08:17 <EricBlade> something funny i noticed yesterday: with infinite loop on, if you quick swipe off one edge, then back in the opposite direction, before the card has come into place, it continues swiping all the way around the loop the wrong direction
Aug 30 17:08:54 <EricBlade> so, say you have 5 cards open, you swipe the last one off the edge, then quickly swipe backwards, it goes back to #4, but doing it by going the wrong direction
Aug 30 17:12:14 <pc-world> mansandersson: from what to what did you change the width of the enter key?
Aug 30 17:12:48 <mansandersson> pc-world: KEY_1(0.8, Qt::Key_Return) to KEY_1(1, Qt::Key_Return)
Aug 30 17:12:55 <AardvarkEng> pc-world:  Can the key be made into a script instead of a keypress?  Then can maybe become an option selected by the end user??
Aug 30 17:14:07 <mansandersson> AardvarkEng: you mean let the user decide whether he wants .com or .de through tweaks?
Aug 30 17:14:09 <pc-world> AardvarkEng: do you mean the .com button? and what do you mean by "a script"?
Aug 30 17:19:41 <ShiftyAxel> pc-world, mansandersson: sounds like he's asking if we can map keys to user-defined functionality...
Aug 30 17:22:19 <AardvarkEng> that was my idea (only a thought).  I do that type of stuff on industrial machinery touchscreens
Aug 30 17:24:10 <ShiftyAxel> what sort of use cases are there for it on webOS?
Aug 30 17:24:47 <ShiftyAxel> I'm curious, given that the keyboard isn't always readily-available
Aug 30 17:25:41 <ka6sox> morning.
Aug 30 17:43:15 <mansandersson> https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/44 some minor keyboard fixes on swedish layout (+danish, +norwegian)
Aug 30 17:53:17 <ka6sox> mansandersson, thanks!
Aug 30 20:37:20 <Benjamon3> hello
Aug 30 20:37:26 <Benjamon3> anybody there?
Aug 30 21:20:39 <ShiftyAxel> I return
Aug 30 21:40:38 <bluen> cool
Aug 30 21:51:32 <ShiftyAxel> good lord, people are already posting LunaCE-compatible patches and it's not even out of beta...
Aug 30 21:52:04 <bluen> cool
Aug 30 22:01:26 <k4ever> ShiftyAxel:  have you posted or recieved any dynamic dashboard widgets yet?
Aug 30 22:01:41 <ShiftyAxel> k4ever: sadly not
Aug 30 22:02:07 <ShiftyAxel> I've been developing a weather widget but the lack of keyboard input for dashboards has made things a tad difficult
Aug 30 22:02:57 <ShiftyAxel> it would have helped if derek actually took the time to read the changelog before writing the beta article...
Aug 30 22:03:25 <k4ever> why is there no keyboard input for the dashboards?
Aug 30 22:07:42 <ShiftyAxel> k4ever: they just never had it, it wasn't a design choice we made
Aug 30 22:07:52 <ShiftyAxel> and implimenting it is proving a challenge...
Aug 30 22:10:54 <k4ever> well good luck, man.  got to go play around with some javascripting, but not on the level you guys are at right now.
Aug 30 22:23:10 <ShiftyAxel> hehe, everyone's gotta start somewhere ;)
Aug 30 22:26:34 <ShiftyAxel> w00t, fluid gestures are now more fluid than ever!
Aug 30 22:33:07 <EricBlade> so are we going to keep what we have now, and declare "these are widgets" or are we going to actually create something new for them?
Aug 30 22:37:20 <ShiftyAxel> the idea is to get a framework out there for developers to start making widgets
Aug 30 22:38:10 <ShiftyAxel> in case we do happen to create something more
Aug 30 22:51:02 <bluen> Verge is saying new kindle fire looks like the hp touchpad, not sure if reference is to to keyboard or multiple windows
Aug 30 22:53:41 * ShiftyAxel has a look
Aug 30 22:53:58 <ShiftyAxel> hardware's very similar, rounded edges
Aug 30 22:54:56 <ShiftyAxel> bluen: what do you mean by 'multiple windows'?
Aug 30 22:55:17 <ShiftyAxel> and the keyboard looks like the gingerbread one to me… gross
Aug 30 22:56:00 <bluen> ShiftyAxel: I'll have to a to the podcast which is still going as I only half heard the comment while working on something else but i thought the comment was directed towards the software interface not hardware (although couldb be wrong)
Aug 30 22:56:08 <bluen> listen again i mean
Aug 30 22:56:29 <ShiftyAxel> ah, I was just looking at the article they posted w/the blurrycam image of it
Aug 30 22:56:43 <ShiftyAxel> http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/30/3280005/this-is-the-new-amazon-kindle-fire
Aug 30 22:57:15 <bluen> shiftyaxel: yes but in the podcast they made reference to other images and a conversation---none of which they published
Aug 30 22:57:21 <ShiftyAxel> gits
Aug 30 22:57:31 <ShiftyAxel> according to that article, that image isn't the new fire
Aug 30 22:57:36 <ShiftyAxel> there was an update posted on it
Aug 30 23:47:11 <k4ever> hi all.  got a question.  is buttah and Enyo  smooth scrolling needed with Luna CE?
Aug 30 23:48:27 <k4ever> ..or Mojo smooth scrolling?
Aug 30 23:49:37 <k4ever> ShiftyAxel: two of those patches are yours.  did you include the code for these in Luna CE?
Aug 30 23:53:00 <ShiftyAxel> don't use Buttah.
Aug 30 23:53:22 <ShiftyAxel> Increase Touch Sensitivity and Smoothness is much better
Aug 30 23:53:34 <ShiftyAxel> and no, Mojo and Enyo are separate entities from LunaCE
Aug 30 23:53:42 <ShiftyAxel> so they have to be patched separately
Aug 30 23:54:44 <k4ever> ok, so those patches do do something still with LunaCE.  I'm going to remove buttah and install the other patch
Aug 30 23:56:37 <k4ever> need to restart Luna. brb
Aug 31 00:01:22 <k4ever> for some reason increase touch sensitivity and smoothness doesn't want to install
Aug 31 00:02:55 <ShiftyAxel> hmm, in that case I'd leave it be. LunaCE should be smooth enough without it :)
Aug 31 00:03:20 <ShiftyAxel> though if you have Internalz installed I can tell you how to make Luna run at 60fps (or try to, at least)
Aug 31 00:03:43 <ShiftyAxel> if it isn't already, we staged a new lunaAnimations.conf a while ago but it caused patch compatibility issues so it was removed
Aug 31 00:04:13 <k4ever> ok I'm listening...
Aug 31 00:06:02 <k4ever> I have internalz installed and I'm ready to go
Aug 31 00:07:38 <ShiftyAxel> open /etc/palm/lunaAnimations.conf, and tell me what the first 3 lines contain
Aug 31 00:09:53 <k4ever> says lunafps is already set to 60
Aug 31 00:11:12 <ShiftyAxel> in that case you're all good
Aug 31 00:12:20 <k4ever> for some reason 4.4.2 seemed a little faster than 4.5.0
Aug 31 00:12:47 <LarrySteeze> eh?
Aug 31 00:12:58 <LarrySteeze> maybe you just got used to it is all
Aug 31 00:13:12 <ShiftyAxel> that's definately a placebo, or something unrelated to LunaCE
Aug 31 00:13:24 <LarrySteeze> there wasn't enough changed to affect it in the slightest
Aug 31 00:13:47 <ShiftyAxel> the only changes between 4.4.2 and 4.5.0 were the reimplimentation of the PalmSystem encryption functions and a small gesture fix
Aug 31 00:14:12 <k4ever> could be..
Aug 31 00:14:26 <LarrySteeze> ShiftyAxel: don't forget the biggest feature that was added
Aug 31 00:14:56 <ShiftyAxel> the 'beta' tag? :P
Aug 31 00:15:32 <k4ever> last night I also thought that Luna CE was causing an issue with YouTube videos.  turns out my connection was crappy.
Aug 31 00:17:01 <k4ever> I love the new keyboard layout.  great job on that guys!
Aug 31 00:17:33 <PixelPlay> Hey looking to enter the logo contest. Please promote my account PixelPlay. Thank you!
Aug 31 00:21:42 <ShiftyAxel> PixelPlay: I'm afraid entry for the contest closed ~40mins ago
Aug 31 00:24:53 <LarrySteeze> he left o.o
Aug 31 00:25:21 <ShiftyAxel> his logo could have been awesome, could have been MSPaint
Aug 31 00:25:24 <ShiftyAxel> we may never know
Aug 31 00:36:13 <tyrok_laptop> New docs for WebPageClient available at http://tyrok1.github.com/LunaSysMgr/classWebPageClient.htm
Aug 31 01:20:58 <pc-world1> tyrok_laptop: good work!
Aug 31 01:24:54 <ShiftyAxel> nice one tyrok_laptop :)
Aug 31 01:44:27 <tyrok_phone> Next in line for documenting will probably be WebAppBase.
Aug 31 01:45:11 <tyrok_phone> Basically just working through that inheritance tree.  Unless someone has something else they'd like to see documented sooner?
Aug 31 01:47:04 <ShiftyAxel> stuff relating to different types of webapps would be cool
Aug 31 01:47:15 <ShiftyAxel> aka card/modal card/dashboard/etc
Aug 31 01:47:38 <ShiftyAxel> been trying to add keyboard input to dashboards, but i've had very little luck
Aug 31 01:48:39 <tyrok_phone> Cool.  That's I think two steps down the tree from WebAppBase.
Aug 31 01:48:39 <tyrok_phone> Leaves of that inheritance tree.
Aug 31 01:49:02 <ShiftyAxel> cool :)
Aug 31 01:49:41 <tyrok_phone> Goes (I think) WebPageClient->WebAppBase->WindowedWebApp->(CardApp/DashboardApp/etc.).
Aug 31 01:49:56 <tyrok_phone> Don't have the code in front of me at the moment.
Aug 31 02:31:54 <rwhitby> https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/241362166299635712
Aug 31 02:35:45 <pc-world1> what... about that holy version string? :P
Aug 31 02:36:12 <ShiftyAxel> pc-world1: eh?
Aug 31 02:36:26 <pc-world1> ShiftyAxel: at least I haven't seen a "version bump" commit ^^
Aug 31 02:36:41 <pc-world1> ooops
Aug 31 02:36:52 <pc-world1> err
Aug 31 02:37:04 <pc-world1> maybe I was on master or something :D
Aug 31 02:40:29 <tyrok_phone> Hokey smokes!  Look at all the new OWO stuff!!!  :)
Aug 31 02:41:05 <bluen_> Tyrok: I was waiting for you to notice.
Aug 31 02:41:28 <tyrok_phone> :)
Aug 31 02:41:38 <bluen_> :)
Aug 31 02:41:51 <ShiftyAxel> new stuff eh?
Aug 31 02:42:00 <ShiftyAxel> well, it's the 31st (here at least)
Aug 31 02:42:19 <ShiftyAxel> trends would point to a code drop within the next 24h :D
Aug 31 02:43:44 <bluen_> ShiftyAxel: Earlier assuming they are trying to get away from the long holiday weekend
Aug 31 02:43:55 <bluen_> for the long holiday weekend
Aug 31 02:43:59 <ShiftyAxel> here's hoping
Aug 31 02:44:07 <ShiftyAxel> though i'll probably be at a LAN party when it drops
Aug 31 02:44:55 <bluen_> ShiftyAxel: How does one celebrate a LAN party?
Aug 31 02:45:14 <ShiftyAxel> deathmatch, most often :D
Aug 31 02:45:41 <ShiftyAxel> anyway, time for me to hit the hay
Aug 31 02:45:43 <ShiftyAxel> nn all!
Aug 31 02:46:12 <bluen_> nn
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