**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 02 02:59:59 2012 Sep 02 06:03:47 <Х09:35:53 PMХ>а<Х+ShiftyAxelХ> Lots of fun <-- Impossible, it's Super Mario Sunshine Sep 02 06:29:00 GodGinrai: that's why it's lots of fun Sep 02 06:40:37 <Х02:29:15 AMХ>а<Х+rrixХ> GodGinrai: that's why it's lots of fun <-- umm... that is not any sort of logical step from my comment Sep 02 06:40:45 I think you misunderstood what I said Sep 02 06:43:31 anyways, I got to go Sep 02 06:43:35 talk to you guys later Sep 02 06:46:49 ok bottom line is you can't do a OE build on a non-unix filesystem Sep 02 06:47:32 it really needs unix permissions and symlinks to work Sep 02 06:51:04 I don't think he understands what I said.. Sep 02 06:51:08 EricBlade: Correct :\ Sep 02 07:28:36 ypu Sep 02 07:28:37 yup Sep 02 07:29:07 EricBlade, it can be a VM but it has to be 32bit linux it seems Sep 02 07:29:34 been fighting multi-lib issues all night... Sep 02 07:30:01 fixed 22 bitbake files and pushed back up to them....lets see if they take the Pull Request Sep 02 07:47:57 i'm going to bed guys. this is enough for a day http://twitpic.com/aq9qlq/full Sep 02 12:08:46 тАжтАжтАжтАжтАжтАжтАж...тАЮтАЮ-~^^~тАЮ-тАЮтАЮ_ Sep 02 12:08:46 тАжтАжтАжтАжтАжтАжтАЮ-^*'' : : тАЮ'' : : : : *-тАЮ Sep 02 12:08:46 тАжтАжтАжтАж..тАЮ-* : : :тАЮтАЮ--/ : : : : : : : '\ Sep 02 12:08:46 тАжтАжтАжтАж./ : : тАЮ-* . .| : : : : : : : : '| Sep 02 12:08:46 тАжтАжтАж.../ : тАЮ-* . . . | : : : : : : : : | Sep 02 12:08:47 тАжтАжтАж...\тАЮ-* . . . . .| : : : : : : : :'| Sep 02 12:08:47 тАжтАжтАж.../ . . . . . . '| : : : : : : : :| Sep 02 12:08:48 тАжтАж..../ . . . . . . . .'\ : : : : : : : | Sep 02 12:08:48 тАжтАж../ . . . . . . . . . .\ : : : : : : :| Sep 02 12:08:49 тАжтАж./ . . . . . . . . . . . '\ : : : : : / Sep 02 12:08:49 тАж.../ . . . . . . . . . . . . . *-тАЮтАЮтАЮтАЮ-*' Sep 02 12:08:50 тАж.'/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . '| Sep 02 12:08:50 тАж/ . . . . . . . ./ . . . . . . .| Sep 02 12:08:51 ../ . . . . . . . .'/ . . . . . . .'| Sep 02 12:12:10 * FapWithSandpaper headbutts stroughtonsmith Sep 02 12:34:08 interesting, looks like we got visited by an ascii spambot last night... Sep 02 12:36:14 ShiftyAxel: ...wasn't that 26min ago? Sep 02 12:37:38 ... Sep 02 12:49:05 pc-world: ah, THAT 12:10 Sep 02 13:08:04 stroughtonsmith, sorry, only just saw the tweet Sep 02 13:08:30 lilstevie: hey. yeah no timeframe on that. Don't expect a gui for weeks lol Sep 02 13:08:38 heh :p Sep 02 13:09:08 did you manage to get the gui to compile in ubuntu Sep 02 13:11:07 got 12 hours in, ended up failing somewhere in webkit tho Sep 02 13:11:22 ah Sep 02 13:11:40 I had a quick look at it and it seemed like it was going to be very painful Sep 02 13:12:55 which parts? Sep 02 13:13:36 just in general, cmake was being a pain for me so I stopped looking Sep 02 13:14:04 oh Sep 02 13:14:08 I compiled cmake myself Sep 02 13:14:10 was fine after that Sep 02 13:14:14 I decided to just look at the oe core Sep 02 13:14:17 2.8.5 -> 2.8.7 Sep 02 13:16:57 fair enough Sep 02 13:17:05 anyway, so you say you need a kernel? Sep 02 13:18:14 oh, that's the idea, when the GUI lands Sep 02 13:18:26 few weeks away I guess Sep 02 13:18:33 ah Sep 02 13:18:38 but an updated ubuntu kernel / rootfs wouldn't go amiss :D Sep 02 13:19:01 rootfs is kind of a work in progress Sep 02 13:19:57 been doing some major work on that side of things Sep 02 13:21:09 what's the story with the tegra 3 GL ? that all legit? Would be nice to make tegra 3 an openwebps target Sep 02 13:21:45 EGL Sep 02 13:22:24 but it works kinda nicely Sep 02 13:22:38 hopefully the drivers will eventually get updated though Sep 02 13:24:45 to my knowledge, tegra 3 isn't FOSS-friendly currently Sep 02 13:26:36 ShiftyAxel, it kind of is kind of isn't, the licensing around the x driver is ambiguous Sep 02 13:55:41 morning all Sep 02 13:55:51 howdy Sep 02 13:56:34 how did it go with owos on your transformer? Sep 02 13:56:50 it boots to a shell; that's all there is in OE atm Sep 02 13:59:40 k4ever: morning, how was your build yesterday? Sep 02 15:27:56 has anybody here ever got css fonts working for app catalog apps Sep 02 15:29:14 because this is what i could do.. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/40574271/font.png Sep 02 15:29:45 that's also a funny screenshot Sep 02 15:40:58 fxspec06: why "App Catalog apps"? Sep 02 15:43:59 because i'm pretty sure there's workarounds to get fonts in an app for myself Sep 02 15:44:33 but if i want to release it for people it has to work in a single installable package that doesn't do funny things Sep 02 15:48:43 that is indeed a funny screenshot Sep 02 16:11:19 sorry for the delay everyone. had to do some things for my wife at the last minute. Sep 02 16:13:22 hope everyone is having a good day. Sep 02 16:35:11 Hey guys Sep 02 16:35:12 morning Garrett92C Sep 02 16:35:49 I need help submitting my patch(?) to LunaCE... Sep 02 16:36:09 I just started learning C++ and Github yesterday, so be kind.. lol Sep 02 16:36:39 everyone's gotta start somewhere :P Sep 02 16:36:43 link to your repo? Sep 02 16:37:15 https://github.com/Choorp/LunaSysMgr Sep 02 16:38:45 Luckily, 'Show device name as carrier text' was very similar to my patch, so porting it to LunaCE was pretty easy Sep 02 16:39:25 looks good to me, nice and clean Sep 02 16:40:07 Thanks! i just need to add the Tweaks json to it Sep 02 16:40:16 however, you seem to be using m_deviceNameAsAppTitle Sep 02 16:40:46 does that serve a purpose? might be worth renaming it to a more generic variable since it's being used by both the device name patch and yours Sep 02 16:41:21 I pretty much just imitated 'Device name as carrier''s functionality and changed a couple things Sep 02 16:41:33 and there are a bunch of tweaks jsons here for reference purposes: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr-binaries/tree/master/tweaks Sep 02 16:41:54 I assumed it was needed since that patch used it and does basically the same thing mine does. :/ Sep 02 16:43:05 having a read through the code, it doesn't look like it's necessary for your patch Sep 02 16:43:21 yes, I already got the Tweaks json created. Just have to add it to Github. Screenshot of everything installed and working: http://webos.choorp.org/projects/custom-carrier-string_woce_preview1.png Sep 02 16:43:49 it's used in slotDeviceNameChanged to actually use the device name as carrier text Sep 02 16:44:27 Ohhh... That makes sense. heh Sep 02 16:44:28 which isn't required for your patch, can you remove it and test? Sep 02 16:44:55 yep. I'll be back. have to reboot into Ubuntu Sep 02 16:45:04 ANything else you see need changing? Sep 02 16:46:20 nah, looks good other than that. stick the json in LunaSysMgr/conf and i'll put it in the right place when I merge it Sep 02 16:46:50 also have you considered using woce-be instead of an ubuntu dualboot? i find it much more convenient myself Sep 02 16:47:39 Eh, I tried setting it up in Ubuntu and somehow messed up vagrant or something. Does woce-be work in Windows? Sep 02 16:49:39 you don't need it if you're running ubuntu, the idea is to run in in whatever your day-to-day OS is so you can code/mangle/whatever in a familiar environment and compile in one that's 100% supported Sep 02 16:50:19 and it can theoretically work on windows, but we don't support it Sep 02 16:50:30 iirc it would just be a matter of editing a line in the Vagrantfile Sep 02 16:51:24 Hmm, interesting. I'll have to check that out. For right now, let me go test build those changes and test them. I'll be back shortly. Thanks for the help! :) Sep 02 17:50:25 hello Sep 02 17:58:44 hi garrett92c Sep 02 18:00:01 I was talking with ShiftyAxel earlier about my patch, and I think I got it all sorted out. I submitted a pull request a few minutes ago. Sep 02 18:03:51 okay since ShiftyAxel was helping you I will wait for him to respond... Sep 02 18:05:35 howdy Sep 02 18:05:40 hey there Sep 02 18:06:08 I believe I got everything squared away. I submitted a pull request for you to review Sep 02 18:07:02 excellent, I'm just having dinner now so I'll take a look when I'm done Sep 02 18:08:30 no problem, take your time. Please fully test the feature too. As I said earlier, I just started learning C++ yesterday. :) Sep 02 18:08:34 I imagine it should be all good though, we have a fairly quick turnaround for pulls these days Sep 02 18:09:01 dw, I always make a test build first ;) Sep 02 18:09:25 Heh, I figured you would. Sep 02 18:46:28 right, I return Sep 02 18:46:35 test build time Sep 02 18:46:39 welcome back Sep 02 18:46:41 excellent Sep 02 18:58:41 I currently have no time, and probably won't have until in a few days to make further adjustments to the qwertz layout... Shall I submit a pull request? As it's just beta anyway, and that way we'll get more feedback if people like it / what they think should be adjusted. Nothing has changed since the last time we discussed it with mansandersson Sep 02 19:04:29 pc-world, up to ShiftyAxel Sep 02 19:04:52 pc-world: what are the changes? Sep 02 19:13:47 ShiftyAxel: added umlauts on qwertz... which included changes like making keys smaller Sep 02 19:14:30 I'm happy to accept that, they're commonly used on qwertz keyboards iirc from your discussions with mans? Sep 02 19:15:09 ShiftyAxel: yes... they're used just as often as any other keys Sep 02 19:15:38 thought as much, pull request away and I'll merge if it tests successfully Sep 02 19:21:48 ka6sox: yes, i know, vm, etc, but you can't do the OE build in a VM share from a windows system Sep 02 19:22:04 EricBlade, indeed Sep 02 19:22:30 EricBlade: maybe you could use ext2/3/4 drivers Sep 02 19:23:46 well i can just build a 100gig ubuntu but i wanted to be able to access it from windows, as well as not have to worry about the amount of space Sep 02 19:29:17 EricBlade, OE hasn't ever supported windows since it started... Sep 02 19:29:46 submitted qwertz-umlauts: https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/pull/46 Sep 02 19:30:21 garrett92c: just kicked off the test build Sep 02 19:30:41 ty pc-world, i'll test that after garrett92c's patch Sep 02 19:30:52 k Sep 02 19:33:11 morning Sep 02 19:34:08 morning k4ever Sep 02 19:34:31 hey ShiftyAxel Sep 02 19:34:43 what's the word? Sep 02 19:34:57 bird, bird is the word Sep 02 19:35:05 \o/ Sep 02 19:35:31 ShiftyAxel: Nice, let me know how it goes. :) Sep 02 19:35:42 just checking back in to see the status on owos on openembedded Sep 02 19:35:54 stilll d/ling the sources atm, stupid vagrant decided to die on me again Sep 02 19:36:08 k4ever: don't think there's been any further discussion Sep 02 19:36:42 ka6sox: i didn't figure it would work, but i also figured i'd try. :) Sep 02 19:37:11 he he Sep 02 19:37:13 sorry Sep 02 19:37:54 ShiftyAxel: i believe yesterday you mentioned that lsm could not be compiled for openembedded owos? Sep 02 19:38:11 k4ever: that's not quite what I said Sep 02 19:38:26 I said LunaCE couldn't be compiled for OWO Sep 02 19:38:34 ok. Sep 02 19:39:27 since it's for 3.0.5, which uses different components from OWO, hence incompatibility Sep 02 19:39:42 ok Sep 02 19:39:53 LSM for OWO is coming to the openembedded build soon iirc, someone mentioned that yesterday Sep 02 19:39:58 I wouldn't be too sure that they changed too much Sep 02 19:39:59 an official response from HP Sep 02 19:40:15 'soon' being in the next release. 1.0 or whatever, this month I guess Sep 02 19:40:23 (and with build-desktop we have x86 LSM) Sep 02 19:40:32 I don't think they did, but there are some differences Sep 02 19:41:18 I guess in threory you could compile CE for OWO if you fixed up the differences (I know HAL has been replaced by Nyx, some other stuff like that) Sep 02 19:42:07 but in this case I think waiting for the OWO to be added to OE would be a better plan cost-benefit etc Sep 02 19:45:15 ShiftyAxel: as said, we already have Open webOS LSM from desktop-build Sep 02 19:45:22 *x86 Open webOS LSM Sep 02 19:45:36 if you wanted to hack it in, LunaCE wouldn't be really needed Sep 02 19:45:45 and probably other x86 bits required for OWO too Sep 02 19:46:02 yes, likely Sep 02 19:47:35 (okay, right, LunaCE compiles for arm, and that's what we'd need to run it on a real device) Sep 02 19:47:39 i'm having trouble with scrolling on my owos desktop build. it doesn't seem to work at all Sep 02 19:47:54 k4ever: scrolling where? Sep 02 19:48:17 mousewheel scrolling won't do anything if that's what you're referring to Sep 02 19:48:23 i can't scroll in the email app, clock all, etc Sep 02 19:48:45 i even tried to drag and scroll, nothing Sep 02 19:49:02 also, I imagine one could possibly get somewhere by compiling x86 OWO in OE and then dropping the missing components in from a successful build-desktop Sep 02 19:49:28 clock doesn't scroll, or change to the alarms tab iirc Sep 02 19:49:29 ShiftyAxel: that's what I meant... Sep 02 19:49:47 k4ever: where exactly in email are you trying to scroll? Sep 02 19:51:23 ok, take that back. with some hard clicks, and brushes on my touchpad (along with sticking out my tongue and concentrating hard) i got it to scroll. Sep 02 20:04:05 * ShiftyAxel rings the gong Sep 02 20:04:05 garrett92c: Pull Request Accepted Sep 02 20:04:37 Woohoo! :D Sep 02 20:05:16 I tweaked it a tiny bit to make it override Device Name as Carriertext (basically swapped the ifs with the if elses) Sep 02 20:05:32 well my desktop locked up again! wierd. second lock-up i have had in the last 24 hours. Sep 02 20:05:49 hope you don't mind Sep 02 20:05:56 That works. Wasn't sure which should override the other. lol Sep 02 20:06:46 imo the user's own tailor-made one should override, since they went to the effort of making it themself Sep 02 20:06:54 so i go to make a large ubuntu system, and it asks me where i am, i tell it Detroit, and it puts a pin in Toronto Sep 02 20:07:00 and says "IS THIS CORRECT?" hmm Sep 02 20:07:27 That's true. Thanks for the help ShiftyAxel. Maybe I'll go try and make more stuff now... Sep 02 20:07:37 EricBlade: wait, canada? Sep 02 20:07:45 polished... Sep 02 20:07:52 I have one idea, but not sure of the best way to implement it. Sep 02 20:08:22 garrett92c: sweet, always happy to see more features being made! Sep 02 20:08:27 oho? do tell? Sep 02 20:08:46 pc-world: testing the umlauts now Sep 02 20:10:14 Well, I want themers to have a way to change the color of the keyboard text. As it is right now, the black text with white "shadows" is terrible Sep 02 20:10:45 personally I quite like the webOS UI design Sep 02 20:11:04 certainly more of some of the replacement search icons being posted in the forumтАж *ahem* Sep 02 20:11:12 what do you mean by 'shadows'? Sep 02 20:11:43 I should clarify; The current text looks awful on most custom key images. Looks fine with the stock images Sep 02 20:11:49 ah, I see Sep 02 20:12:00 yeah, I've seen a few of thoseтАж not nice Sep 02 20:12:05 and it should be doable, you'd just have to expose it somehow, probably as a preferences variable (a-la custom carrier text) Sep 02 20:12:11 By shadows, I mean the backColor that the text uses Sep 02 20:12:44 Since the keyboard key text uses a color on top of another color Sep 02 20:12:58 then we could add an entry to the LunaCE APIs page for themers to use, shouldn't be too hard to get it added to the theming infrastructure (though I've not used it, so I myself don't know much about it) Sep 02 20:13:30 I'd have a poke around in LunaSysMgr/Src/ime, that's where the keyboard files are Sep 02 20:13:46 I've been playing around with the keyboard files and came up with this as a proof-of-concept theme: http://webos.choorp.org/projects/NeonBlue-preview1.png Sep 02 20:13:50 perhaps GlyphCache.cpp, or something else to do with glyphs Sep 02 20:14:02 shiny, very TRON Sep 02 20:14:17 and suprisingly like the OWO VKB Sep 02 20:14:30 Heh, wasn't aiming for anything in particular. Was just enjoying finally being able to change the text color.. lol Sep 02 20:14:35 wow, looks nice! Sep 02 20:14:43 wow looks pretty cool Sep 02 20:15:06 like that inverted-color-win2000 theme :D Sep 02 20:15:12 lol Sep 02 20:15:57 i'm with Shifty, i like the default webOS look with subtle transparencies, but your keyboard looks pretty darn good Sep 02 20:15:58 The problem is, I don't think adding Tweaks settings with a text field and expecting the user to know color codes is a good idea Sep 02 20:16:00 garrett92c: so you've already done the coding work? Sep 02 20:16:28 I've only changed the text color in keyboard-tablet.cpp and built it Sep 02 20:16:34 aha, right Sep 02 20:16:43 Haven't set up any kind of interface for it Sep 02 20:17:11 hmm, I'm not sure if the keyboard code runs before the preferences code (in which case it wouldn't be able to access prefs) Sep 02 20:17:54 Perhaps have it check preferences when the vkb is activated? Sep 02 20:18:15 if the colour can be modified on runtime, yeah Sep 02 20:18:22 I'd test by sticking a 'qCritical() << Preferences::instance()->sysUiGestureDetection();' in tabletkeyboard.cpp Sep 02 20:18:53 if it returns a proper variable (you can check by novaterming into your device and running 'tail -f /var/log/messages | grep 'ritical') Sep 02 20:19:14 then it'd be as simple as making a new preferences variable and have it use that instead of it being hardcoded Sep 02 20:20:07 Interesting.. Seems like I have some learning to do. (on day 2 of learning C++) lol Sep 02 20:20:23 you've been doing well so far :D Sep 02 20:20:46 and once you know one language you pretty much know them all Sep 02 20:21:04 your way ahead of me. i'm on day 10 of learning html and javascript Sep 02 20:21:11 Well, I've done a decent amount of webOS homebrew work over the past three years, so I have a good understanding of how code generally works Sep 02 20:22:04 JS is fairly similar to C++ in terms of structure, though it does have a lot more awesome stuff Sep 02 20:22:23 pointers, datatypes, etc Sep 02 20:23:51 indeed. It's a bit intimidating. I learned how to make Custom Carrier String by just digging through your LSM code. Was pretty overwhelming at first. Sep 02 20:24:08 I know that feeling Sep 02 20:24:21 ShiftyAxel: how is JS "similar to C++ in terms of structure"??? Sep 02 20:24:42 I find that jumping in is easier than going over tutorials. heh Sep 02 20:24:49 pc-world: runs in order, define methods, call them, arguments, blah blah blah Sep 02 20:25:07 well, that's pretty much every programming language I know... Sep 02 20:25:18 definately not saying they're very similar, but I found knowing some JS helped enormously when learning C++ Sep 02 20:26:28 k4ever: when I knocked together my first couple of patches (Lower Min Brightness and Slide Gestures iirc) I was really daunted by some of the LSM stuff Sep 02 20:26:48 now I'm quite familiar with a lot of the UI Sep 02 20:27:32 btw, could someone change the default branch to "features" in woce/LunaSysMgr? it's quite annoying to always have to change the branch when I check out the repo on github# Sep 02 20:28:26 i bought a pretty big (1100 page) html for dummies book. 8 books in one. Sep 02 20:28:59 ..decide to learn from scratch. Sep 02 20:29:31 wow, that's a lot of book Sep 02 20:29:46 I threw myself in, but I have a fairly long history of programming Sep 02 20:29:46 i'm almost done with the css chapter and then i start javascript Sep 02 20:30:01 very nice, sounds like you have all you need :D Sep 02 20:30:16 pc-world: yeah, I'll do that shortly Sep 02 20:30:19 i hated programming. more of a hardware type guy Sep 02 20:30:38 ShiftyAxel: thanks Sep 02 20:30:47 pc-world: done Sep 02 20:31:01 My only history of programming before webOS was some intro classes in HS :/ Sep 02 20:31:11 HS? Sep 02 20:31:12 * pc-world 's life just got a few seconds longer Sep 02 20:31:20 High School Sep 02 20:31:43 They didn't really teach much.. lol Sep 02 20:31:52 garrett92c: same here, even though that was a long time ago for me. we programmed on Apple IIc Sep 02 20:32:51 my teacher was still teaching us Pascal o.O I hate that one so much Sep 02 20:32:55 syntax is terrible Sep 02 20:33:34 i took a fortran class and that killed my taste for programming for a very long time Sep 02 20:33:54 I took Visual Basic / Qbasic, Java, HTML, and Robotics. Robotics was definitely the most fun Sep 02 20:34:02 garrett92c: the IT course in my secondary was all powerpoints and excel sheets, I got an F mainly because I didn't care enough to try... Sep 02 20:34:24 k4ever: syntax of fortran looks pretty similar to Pascal... Sep 02 20:34:25 but now I'm learning how to program video games, so it's all good :D Sep 02 20:34:28 ShiftyAxel: ouch man, that sucks! Sep 02 20:34:30 garrett92c: i straight envy you on that Sep 02 20:34:35 pc-world: ah, FORTRAN... Sep 02 20:35:05 it does, but I've always had an enthusiasm for programming and a good aptitude for it, so I just did it in my spare time instead :D Sep 02 20:35:34 M├╢t├╢rhe├дd Sep 02 20:35:39 Heh, in class, I made a VB program that did the homework from my physics class. Was awesome. haha Sep 02 20:35:39 yup, umlauts are all good Sep 02 20:35:39 haha lol Sep 02 20:35:54 i remember i was the envy of the class because i was the only one using linux at the time and linux had a free fortran compiler (still does) Sep 02 20:36:31 hmm. so, looking at the things that people have made OE work on so far .. looks like it's all seriously anemic relics of ancient times. this sort of worries me. Sep 02 20:36:35 I never got to play with Linux until I finally got my own computer about 3 years ago Sep 02 20:36:35 * pc-world is the only Linux user in his class too; all others are dumb :P Sep 02 20:36:49 ah, linux. I remember when I switched from 'doze to Kubuntu back in secondary Sep 02 20:37:07 I'm one of two UNIX users in my class, though we do have a Linux user too Sep 02 20:37:42 EricBlade: doesn't mean it's any less capable, Angstrom linux on beagle uses it Sep 02 20:38:09 and funnily, it's the non-windows users in my class that actually had a decent chance of passing... Sep 02 20:38:10 couldn't see myself using anything else but linux on my desktop. linux mint is my current flavor Sep 02 20:38:25 I'm an OSX user, I like shiny smooth user interfaces Sep 02 20:38:38 ShiftyAxel: if I hear that somebody uses Linux, I assume they actually know something about computers Sep 02 20:38:56 I'm a W7 user.. just because I'm used to it. I do love my Ubuntu dual-boot tho Sep 02 20:39:00 EricBlade: yeah, i think owos is in it's infancy right now. hopefully they will have more for us to play with in the next month Sep 02 20:39:56 pc-world: yeah, me and the linux guy were the two most capable people, the other OSX user was capable but lazy as hell Sep 02 20:40:01 k4ever: sure, but the current OE hardware support for anything is .. very, very limited. Sep 02 20:40:08 i dual boot w7 and mint 13. mint is default though Sep 02 20:40:51 I need to find a new Linux distribution that suits my needs... Sep 02 20:41:11 I have w7 on here in a too-small partition, though I blame the SSD for that Sep 02 20:41:17 I need it for gamery Sep 02 20:41:18 Ubuntu gets less interesting with every release Sep 02 20:41:24 SSD? jealous... Sep 02 20:41:36 EricBlade: as long as it compiles for arm with qemu, it can run on pretty much anything. oe has long arms and reaches a lot of devices Sep 02 20:42:09 garrett92c: if you can, get one. I use a 128Gb OCZ Agility 3 and it is hands down, no question the single best hardware upgrade I've ever done on a computer Sep 02 20:42:15 ShiftyAxel: same here, need it for games Sep 02 20:42:18 it was fairly reasonably priced too Sep 02 20:43:14 ShiftyAxel: Oh, I definitely plan of getting one. I'm got laid off from my job recently though, and can't afford to buy nice things. lol Sep 02 20:43:18 k4ever: that seems a bit contrary to what the oe wiki indicates, but i'll take the word of someone who knows more than me about it :) Sep 02 20:43:20 EricBlade: it already boots up on a transformer prime, but without lsm it is kind of worthless Sep 02 20:43:25 it goes for about ~┬г75 online these days, not 100% on what the exchange rate is though Sep 02 20:43:42 ugh, my spelling/typing is terrible today. heh Sep 02 20:43:59 EricBlade: wikis can be decieving Sep 02 20:44:34 yeah, OE supports way way more stuff than the wiki would suggest Sep 02 20:45:02 if you have a read through the documentation, you'll get a good idea of just how much stuff it can do Sep 02 20:45:52 i was excited when i heard about the oe support. even more when someone got it to boot. Sep 02 20:46:35 yeah, that was an amazingly short turnaround Sep 02 20:46:44 I was really not expecting someone to get it going so quick Sep 02 20:47:00 lol Sep 02 20:47:01 a lot of folks don't understand that webos is based on linux and android is based on linux. differences are in the kernel and utilities Sep 02 20:47:59 speaking of which: stroughtonsmith, did you post your owos oe build? Sep 02 20:48:05 yup Sep 02 20:48:24 may i get the link please :) Sep 02 20:48:26 https://twitter.com/stroughtonsmith/status/242228085838188544 Sep 02 20:48:36 rootfs + pic Sep 02 20:49:07 nice Sep 02 20:49:41 ok enabling three monitor support and seamless mode in Vbox is kind of awesome. Sep 02 20:51:00 so.. have we figured out any way to actually have a development environment for owos yet? Sep 02 20:51:35 not as far as I know Sep 02 20:55:30 well you made me finally reinitialize my twitter account Sep 02 20:57:43 pc-world: pull request accepted! Sep 02 20:59:39 well man you have a new follower on twitter Sep 02 21:01:42 well goodbye all. got to take out the garbage and read 100 more pages of css and javascript. Sep 02 21:02:18 hopefully in the next few weeks i can start making some enyo apps. Sep 02 21:03:57 have fun k4ever Sep 02 21:04:30 k4ever: yeah, enjoy. skim the enyo docs at some point too, it's really easy! Sep 02 21:04:50 ka6sox: wanted! testers for new LunaCE release! Sep 02 21:04:50 ShiftyAxel: ok, so, what branch should i be working with if i want to do some luna stuff now Sep 02 21:05:00 EricBlade: woce/LunaSysMgr/features Sep 02 21:05:11 what's your next project? Sep 02 21:05:34 i want to see if i can do something about that last problem i reported Sep 02 21:06:16 :D Sep 02 21:06:31 ShiftyAxel: I can test if you need. Sep 02 21:06:45 k4ever: If you're interested in making an app that uses a "widget" in the notification area, check out my Battery Widget app. Since I'm a noob, the code should be easy to understand for other noobs. :) https://github.com/Choorp/BatteryWidget Sep 02 21:08:05 garrett92c: have you read about the new dash API? Sep 02 21:08:59 ShiftyAxel: yes, I saw that. It looks like it could be fun! Having that extra room will be great. Sep 02 21:09:10 ok, how do i -get- to that branch now .. git gui is yelling at me saying i can't do that Sep 02 21:09:18 sure will, I hope we can get keyboard input working sometime too... Sep 02 21:09:44 EricBlade, git pull and then git checkout features Sep 02 21:09:45 EricBlade: git branch woce/features Sep 02 21:09:45 git checkout features Sep 02 21:09:52 EricBlade: reclone? if it's been a while since you last there was a force push that may have screwed it slightly Sep 02 21:10:06 *git branch features woce/features Sep 02 21:10:33 ok, had to remove my README.md to get there. weird. Sep 02 21:13:29 good lord the formatting in DisplayStates.cpp is terrible Sep 02 21:13:32 [and another user asks on the forums where to find the changelog for LunaCE... it should be really integrated into the package description.] Sep 02 21:14:49 pc-world, its supposed to be in the appinfo.json for the package so preware can read it. Sep 02 21:15:33 it's also available in the app launcher app, just like the WOSI kernels... Sep 02 21:15:44 ka6sox: since when has Preware a changelog feature? Sep 02 21:15:57 ShiftyAxel: it is, but most users don't find that, I only found it by accident Sep 02 21:16:04 since time immortal Sep 02 21:16:19 ka6sox: ...then where do I see the changelog in Preware? Sep 02 21:16:20 you skip reading the changelog after you install an upgrade? Sep 02 21:16:44 and just push the button that say "I've read this...move along"? Sep 02 21:16:45 ka6sox: you only see it if you explicitly open the "LunaCE" app from the launcher Sep 02 21:16:54 ka6sox: you don't see that scene anywhere Sep 02 21:17:07 this makes no sense Sep 02 21:17:18 and, after a reboot the LunaCE icon is gone, so you don't have a chance to even open it Sep 02 21:17:33 okay we need to stop and fix this.. Sep 02 21:17:49 its supposed to have a launcher icon and have the appinfo.json available to read. Sep 02 21:17:50 fix what exactly? Sep 02 21:18:00 ka6sox: I've never seen preware displaying changelogs except in the package description Sep 02 21:18:08 ShiftyAxel: +1 Sep 02 21:18:20 where does that come from? Sep 02 21:18:31 Makefile in build.git Sep 02 21:18:36 ka6sox: appinfo.json probably contains visible: false, that's why it's gone after a reboot Sep 02 21:18:55 interesting, I can confirm the lack of a launcher icon here too Sep 02 21:19:07 I wonder if rwhitby changed somethingтАж. Sep 02 21:19:12 then something changed Sep 02 21:19:22 it should be exactly like xterm or a kernel Sep 02 21:19:39 it should, I didn't notice it not being there until pc-world mentioned it Sep 02 21:19:57 ka6sox: and they also hide after a reboot. that's intended Sep 02 21:19:58 whoa, i have never seen anyone use curly-braces to define a block inside a switch..case before Sep 02 21:20:23 EricBlade: sometimes it's necessary if you have braced if statements and the like inside it Sep 02 21:20:43 okay you guys hash this out....I need to get back to debugging the OE build Sep 02 21:20:51 go ka6sox go! Sep 02 21:21:04 I can confirm I have a LunaCE app in my launcher for 4.5.1 and it can be opened and changes read Sep 02 21:21:57 Is luna ce 4.5.2 alpha only? It did not show when I had the alphafeed turned off. Sep 02 21:22:24 bluen: it's beta Sep 02 21:25:21 ShiftyAxel: I see it in beta now under updates. However in Preware the current additions paragraph is a general summary of the features and not a changelog Sep 02 21:25:28 bluen: when you reboot your TP - do you still see the LunaCE app icon? Sep 02 21:25:42 ok, code has been written, now let's see how screwed up my whole build system is. Sep 02 21:25:55 ShiftyAxel: So it is a "Description: not a "Changelog" that shows up in preware Sep 02 21:26:14 pc-world: updating now will let you know Sep 02 21:26:54 damn, i forgot how to build lunace Sep 02 21:27:08 bluen: we are aware of this yes, the changelog is meant to be in the currently-missing app icon Sep 02 21:27:16 though it would be nice if preware could display it too... Sep 02 21:27:27 EricBlade: modify config/custom.mk, make custom -j64 Sep 02 21:27:31 pc-world: I did not reboot yet. I see the LunaCE app is already gone from the launcher, even without rebooting Sep 02 21:27:51 ShiftyAxel: Yes would be nice to have changelog in Preware, i know it is there for other apps Sep 02 21:28:02 bluen: example? Sep 02 21:28:43 ShiftyAxel: Govnah? Sep 02 21:29:56 ShiftyAxel: not really sure, maybe I am wrong. Sep 02 21:30:09 * ShiftyAxel checks the govnah entry Sep 02 21:30:10 yes, there is one for Preware, Govnah etc. etc. Sep 02 21:30:18 they're part of the appinfo Sep 02 21:30:49 save/restore... Sep 02 21:31:01 see previous response Sep 02 21:31:33