**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 06 02:59:58 2012 Sep 06 04:26:56 ShiftyAxel|Away: i was referring to the notification icon ;) Sep 06 04:27:03 i don't mind the version text Sep 06 04:27:05 kinda like it Sep 06 14:46:57 moaning Sep 06 14:52:35 o.o Sep 06 14:53:07 btw, Shifty, what were you talking yesterday about minicards? Sep 06 14:53:47 GodGinrai: grab 4.8.0 from the feeds, enable it in tweaks, tap below the active card and presto Sep 06 14:53:52 minicards] Sep 06 14:54:11 lol, don't have a touchpad, sorry Sep 06 14:54:14 ah :P Sep 06 14:54:22 did you ever use webOS 1.4.x? Sep 06 14:54:54 only once or twice. Knew someone who had the original Pre Sep 06 14:55:20 minicards was a function in 1.4.5, for some reason palm took it away in 2.x Sep 06 14:55:55 if you tapped below the current card, the cards would all shrink down really small Sep 06 14:56:04 made for nice task management Sep 06 14:56:55 so yesterday I reimplimented it in LunaCE, along with a smooth pinch-to-zoom function that lets you control card size Sep 06 14:56:56 oh yea... I remember them showing that off @ the keynote Sep 06 14:57:12 now it's back, and better :D Sep 06 14:57:18 neat Sep 06 14:59:50 my next target is probably the wave launcher Sep 06 15:00:17 though i'll need to refactor the trigger for it, since most of the gesture recognizers trigger on finger movement now Sep 06 15:01:34 can't wait to try that out. Sep 06 15:01:43 One of the things I hated about the tablet was that they got rid of the gesture area Sep 06 15:02:06 I hope OWO will continue to have support for that as it moves forward Sep 06 15:03:02 OWO has a software gesture area, the best way to do it imo Sep 06 15:03:32 sounds good to me Sep 06 15:03:51 it's not very pretty atm, but that'll probably change. it's certainly functional! Sep 06 15:03:59 :) Sep 06 15:06:53 did anyone ever read this thread? http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion/288437-deal-cards-mode.html Sep 06 15:07:10 looks like a really neat idea, if a bit complicated Sep 06 15:07:13 So, from what has been released so far, does it seem to you likely to you that OWO will get ported to a phone within a decent timeframe? Sep 06 15:07:34 going to read that topic right now :P Sep 06 15:08:02 ~eta Sep 06 15:08:02 somebody said eta was We do not provide ETA's. for more information view http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/ETA Sep 06 15:10:08 imo OWO in it's current state is usable, there are things missing that would be required for a device such as a proper set of core/settings apps, just type integration, etc, etc Sep 06 15:10:21 but it is usable, and therefore portable Sep 06 15:10:27 but yeah, no timeframes or ETAs Sep 06 15:10:42 oh yea, I didn't mean an ETA Sep 06 15:10:56 I meant whether the code was there for cell phone use Sep 06 15:11:10 w/o having to write up tons of new cell phone code Sep 06 15:11:31 it's not integrated into OWO, but iirc there are FOSS libraries out there that handle mobile/cell stuff Sep 06 15:11:58 ok Sep 06 15:12:16 btw Sep 06 15:12:30 You know bump? Sep 06 15:12:50 depends what you mean by bump Sep 06 15:12:56 the app Sep 06 15:13:37 the iPhone thing that uses accellerometer readings and bluetooth for pseudo-tap-to-share? Sep 06 15:13:40 for iOS and android Sep 06 15:13:41 ya Sep 06 15:13:43 yes Sep 06 15:14:19 why do you ask? Sep 06 15:14:56 Well, I had this idea Sep 06 15:15:30 where, like bump and tap-to-share, you could send cards Sep 06 15:15:39 from 1 device to another Sep 06 15:16:12 with a two-finger swipe up on your card, "tossing" it to a friend Sep 06 15:16:19 that's a cool idea Sep 06 15:16:41 the deal topic reminded me of it Sep 06 15:16:58 though lots of devices these days support NFC, it would be cool to have a bluetooth/accello backup API for those that don't Sep 06 15:16:59 because I had always likened it to dealing your cards out to others Sep 06 15:17:54 actually being able to fling out the exact card to one of your friends might be a bit difficult to accomplish in third-party apps though Sep 06 15:18:27 it'd have to be present on both devices, though I can see it working pretty well if it could zip up the running app's 'state' and send it over bluetooth Sep 06 15:18:33 or NFC Sep 06 15:18:47 ShiftyAxel: even for preinstalled apps only it would be nice Sep 06 15:19:04 like tossing a link but having the browser card tossed instead :) Sep 06 15:19:07 so long as the app is present on both devices, it shouldn't be an issue Sep 06 15:19:14 aside from apps that use logins ofc Sep 06 15:19:17 that card stacking thing looks dumb, ShiftyAxel Sep 06 15:19:21 exactly :) Sep 06 15:19:22 that would create security issues Sep 06 15:19:35 HaDAk:work: why do you say that? Sep 06 15:19:45 it's too complicated. KISS. Sep 06 15:20:18 this is true, though webOS does lack a fast and efficient 'organise everything' function Sep 06 15:20:29 ShiftyAxel: The deal idea on that thread would be hard to normalize across screen-sizes Sep 06 15:20:43 ShiftyAxel: the pinch to stack feature got really close to providing all we need Sep 06 15:20:49 that said, organise it once and it's done, and users tend to do that on launch anyway Sep 06 15:21:10 personally, until i have a lot more ram, i'm not going to have a ton of cards open. Sep 06 15:21:16 i only have 3-4 open at any given time anyway Sep 06 15:22:02 lol, I have more than that just using wIRC :P Sep 06 15:22:04 ~huckster HaDAk|work Sep 06 15:22:05 * WoceBot grabs HaDAk|work and flings them over the horizon in the salesperson catapult Sep 06 15:22:34 * HaDAk|work slaps ShiftyAxel with a sweaty fish Sep 06 15:22:47 I recognizer the pinch-to-gather thing from that mockup you keep trying to hock :) Sep 06 15:22:58 nope Sep 06 15:23:04 that's not what i'm talking about Sep 06 15:23:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8VsNyikf4E Sep 06 15:23:37 GodGinrai: you reckon? I think it would be easy, since the cards are already sized to the resolution, just make the animations CSS-style % values instead of hardcoded pixels Sep 06 15:24:06 HaDAk|work: ah yes, dukie's thing Sep 06 15:24:16 sadly he hasn't been around to work on stuff lately :( Sep 06 15:24:18 yes. Sep 06 15:24:23 well, i LIKE that feature. Sep 06 15:24:27 dukie is awesome. Sep 06 15:24:31 he is Sep 06 15:24:39 but he's also in scotland at the moment I think Sep 06 15:24:42 but yes. we should implement that. Sep 06 15:24:59 he needs to tidy up his code before it'll be accepted in a pull request Sep 06 15:25:08 and he knows this, he just has no time Sep 06 15:26:35 I think what HaDAk is saying is that since we already have something useful in the pipeline that solves the issue, then why do we need to look at other solutions? Sep 06 15:27:14 fair point Sep 06 15:27:22 also, ShiftyAxel, Depending on the number of stacks you have, it could get hard to toss to the right stack Sep 06 15:27:36 yeah, it would be limited to around 4+single cards Sep 06 15:28:37 given my tab-usage on Firefox, I don't see that limitation working for me once I get it on a device w/ enough RAM Sep 06 15:31:29 Just at work, I have 392 tabs open Sep 06 15:31:52 i'm just as bad with browser tabs Sep 06 15:31:53 BUT Sep 06 15:32:06 having a proper browser with real tabs instead of one page per card would really help that Sep 06 15:32:31 IMHO, I actually don't want that Sep 06 15:32:35 I genuinely believe that the RAM in a TP is perfectly sufficient to have loads of apps open Sep 06 15:32:41 I like using the cards as tabs Sep 06 15:33:17 i'd rather use the thumbnail view that we currently have for stacked cards to switch tabs, BUT i only want one card in card view Sep 06 15:33:22 the issue is with the web rendering engine, blocking JS process model and WebAppMgr having that godawful memory leak Sep 06 15:33:34 webappmgr needs to DIAF Sep 06 15:33:36 fix those, and you can have as many ~4Mb webapps as you like open... Sep 06 15:33:38 ShiftyAxel: I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying that I would abuse any amount of RAM I'm given Sep 06 15:33:51 i abuse 8GB :\ Sep 06 15:33:56 GodGinrai: and 1Gb of webpages isn't enough? :P Sep 06 15:34:31 lol, I'm at 1k tabs at home :P Sep 06 15:34:38 just in FF Sep 06 15:34:43 *twitch* Sep 06 15:34:51 I get jumpy when I have 12 open Sep 06 15:34:56 lol Sep 06 15:35:01 i don't have 1k open. more like 100-150. Sep 06 15:35:03 even though Safari is fully sandboxed Sep 06 15:35:40 I use tabs as a sort of "to-do" list Sep 06 15:35:59 when I plan to view a page, I open it in a new tab :) Sep 06 15:36:44 I can easily get to any tab I want, with Pentadactyl, so I have no problem using that many tabs :) Sep 06 15:40:16 pentadactyl? Sep 06 15:40:49 vim for firefox Sep 06 15:43:07 basically :) Sep 06 15:43:21 It changes Firefox in a number of ways Sep 06 15:43:33 the biggest being giving it Vim keybindings Sep 06 15:43:37 it really messes with anyone else who uses your browser though Sep 06 15:43:57 lol yea Sep 06 15:44:57 ShiftyAxel: with the :buffer command in Pentadactyl, I can navigate to any one tab I wish Sep 06 15:45:17 haha, wow... Sep 06 15:45:21 I never knew such things existed Sep 06 15:45:39 I'm planning to start using dvorak fairly soon Sep 06 15:45:47 that should mess with anyone who tries to use my laptop Sep 06 15:45:57 lol Sep 06 15:47:05 Dvorak would make me QQ when trying to use vim Sep 06 15:48:19 yeah, relearning keyboard shotcuts is going to be fun... Sep 06 15:48:37 and symbols.. :( Sep 06 15:49:45 You should try Pentadactyl Sep 06 15:50:01 it makes other browsers feel inferior :) Sep 06 15:54:55 well anyway, I'm heading off to lunch, I'll bbl Sep 06 17:14:10 back Sep 06 17:26:41 aw, we lost the bot Sep 06 17:26:51 btw, who coded the bot? Sep 06 17:27:22 unsure, scoutcamper seems to know a lot about it though Sep 06 17:28:26 k Sep 06 17:29:19 it is an "infobot" Sep 06 17:29:31 and i believe the bots host was just taken down Sep 06 17:31:35 ah, so it wasn't created by anyone here? Sep 06 17:31:58 no Sep 06 17:32:09 ok Sep 06 17:38:13 i imagined a bot once Sep 06 17:38:33 i was gonna do it for wild'n video poker villo chat rooms, but that turned out to be a bust Sep 06 19:16:03 haha. i sent a link to the Nokia charging stands to my gf she sent me back an "Old news is old" pic Sep 06 19:28:49 lol Sep 06 19:53:22 oh fun, installed 4.8.0 and touchpad froze Sep 06 19:58:53 bluen: details? tried holding home and power until reboot? Sep 06 19:59:28 ShiftyAxel: it froze in card mode and then I touched the power button and the screen jerked a bit and then unfroze. Sep 06 19:59:45 what were you doing, precisely Sep 06 19:59:48 ? Sep 06 20:00:19 I opened up tweaks. I then minimized tweaks and the screen froze Sep 06 20:00:43 I then touched the power button, the screen jerked a bit and then unfroze Sep 06 20:01:11 ~echo Sep 06 20:01:12 * WoceBot asks everybody if they just heard an echo Sep 06 20:01:22 did you have anything else open at the time? Sep 06 20:01:22 Oh, when I opened up tweaks, i turned on the new features Sep 06 20:01:26 No Sep 06 20:02:01 are the new features working? Sep 06 20:02:13 also can you reproduce this with regularity? Sep 06 20:03:21 min cards is awesome, way to go! I'm testing the new features now Sep 06 20:04:22 i love the way one tap will put the cards from tiniest to intermediate size Sep 06 20:04:43 you can also pinch zoom to set a custom 'mini size' Sep 06 20:04:52 you can also make them bigger Sep 06 20:06:49 I just discovered the pinch zoom, very useful and cool! Sep 06 20:10:38 btw, what's the current blocker for the trickle of these features to the phones? Sep 06 20:12:47 is there a way in stock browser to open a link in a new card? Sep 06 20:13:01 GodGinrai: LunaCE not running under 2.x? Sep 06 20:13:06 or at least not properly Sep 06 20:13:57 if we could get apps working, it'd at least be worth attempting to make it work properly Sep 06 20:14:52 bluen: on the phones, yes Sep 06 20:15:45 ShiftyAxel: I was under the impression that LunaCE currently only had touchpad support. Are you suggesting it works for phones? Sep 06 20:16:09 GodGinrai: EricBlade got it running, but apps don't work and there's a bunch of other problems Sep 06 20:16:29 ah, ok Sep 06 20:18:03 Godginrai: thanks, I don't see one on the browser for touchpad nor on advanced browser either Sep 06 20:23:16 I'd suggest a google search. I doubt no one has run into thus problem on the touchpad before Sep 06 20:28:01 bluen: you should beable to just tap and hold you finger on the link and a little box should pop up that says "Open in New Card" Sep 06 20:34:58 elpollodiablo: ty. be back in a sec Sep 06 20:35:20 ShiftyAxel: I think to do it properly we'd really want to try running 3.x on phones, but it may make sense to wait for 4.x / OWO as wrangling binary only stuff seems less than fun Sep 06 20:35:32 ie there's a lot more to it than just Luna Sep 06 20:35:54 yeah, it's mainly the wrong versions of libraries holding us back Sep 06 20:43:47 ShiftyAxel: restarted touchpad, opened up browser, opened up second browser card, then minimized cards and touchpad froze. As before touched power button and touchpad unfroze Sep 06 20:44:31 did you perform these actions right after luna started? Sep 06 20:44:41 sometimes it has a tendency to be wonky when starting up Sep 06 20:44:50 ShiftyAxel: Yes, this was after java restart Sep 06 20:46:26 there seems to be a lot of work to do before LunaCE becomes stable :) Sep 06 20:46:56 actually, one should feature-freeze the "features" branch eventually, and only accept new features on a different branch Sep 06 20:49:14 You make too much sense! Kick the sense-bringer! Heretic!!! Sep 06 20:49:16 :P Sep 06 20:51:17 so does the mini card work with stacks? I thought it did with first two cards but now it doesnt work. I am opening links using the trick discussed earlier where they go into new card (new card auto stacks) Sep 06 20:52:15 hmn now it doe again Sep 06 20:52:26 new features should go into the alpha feed, and as they mature, migrate to the beta feed Sep 06 20:52:54 (and maybe rename "features" branch to "beta", "experimental" branch to "alpha") Sep 06 20:55:02 some nice work here. BBL to test more after I finish next work project Sep 06 20:58:19 * EricBlade wonders where bluen got a touchpad with java Sep 06 20:58:49 ericblade: what is restart as opposed to luna restart? Sep 06 20:58:55 perhaps I misunderstood Sep 06 21:00:34 restart=full device restart Sep 06 21:00:42 luna restart=restart gui Sep 06 21:00:53 * pc-world has Java on his TP :P Sep 06 21:06:44 destinal: i think my idea of copying all of 3.x to a phone might've had some merit, but the size differential is .. sizeable. Sep 06 21:07:40 EricBlade: would it be doable with some tweaking of the partition map? Sep 06 21:09:40 ShiftyAxel: i'd guess so. i'd think that you'd have to maintain the existing boot/kernel/modules, and then copy everything else from 3 Sep 06 21:09:49 isnt that the ideal end result tbh? be it normal or owo to have one single os you can stuff on anything instead of phone/tablet variants? Sep 06 21:10:32 what i'm mostly curious about is what's going to actually tie owos to the 3.x kernel Sep 06 21:10:38 EricBlade: how difficult would this be, do you think? Sep 06 21:12:22 ShiftyAxel: i imagine one could tarball or zipball most of the 3.x rootfs and copy it in, and see what happens. i don't know how the custom doctor build process works, but that might be an idea, too Sep 06 21:47:57 ShiftyAxel: Maybe want to do more minor revisions lol. Sep 06 21:48:23 amnoth: numbers are cheap, and 4.x doesn't end at .9 ;P Sep 06 22:11:18 ShiftyAxel: need a weather widget tester. Sep 06 22:11:19 ? Sep 06 22:11:41 not really, unless you have a way to make dashboards accept keyboard input Sep 06 22:12:12 Talk to Jack Newcomb.. He had that working I thought. With Taurus Sep 06 22:13:33 @newnessdevs Sep 06 22:16:13 someone say weather widget? Sep 06 22:17:57 PatrickC: I don't see any text inputs in Taurus' dashboard notifications..? (at least not from screenshots) Sep 06 22:18:25 garrett92c: yes… works, but since dashboard notifications can't receive keyboard input it doesn't work Sep 06 22:19:04 Nice! I was thinking of bringing my Statusbar Waether Widget from webOS 2.x to the Touchpad dashboard Sep 06 22:19:14 doit Sep 06 22:19:18 ShiftyAxel: I'm 99% sure you can tweet from the dashboard, but I could be wrong Sep 06 22:19:37 PatrickC: are we talking about phones or tablets here? Sep 06 22:19:44 Tablet Sep 06 22:20:11 I have a VKB I made as well that uses the dashboard to put text into a text field Sep 06 22:20:13 interesting, that would be very helpful… but I've seen stuff in the LSM source code that explicity marks dashboards as unable to receive input or focus events Sep 06 22:20:42 I'm not looking to use a home-grown vkb, i want webOS' standard keyboard to work with it Sep 06 22:20:47 Hmm, well maybe you can just have the user enter their text in the app and then pass that data to dashboard? Sep 06 22:20:56 what app? Sep 06 22:21:03 :P Sep 06 22:21:09 Make an app that goes along with the widget ;-) Sep 06 22:21:15 Or put it in Tweaks Sep 06 22:21:17 I had considered it, but it's not a very elegant solution Sep 06 22:21:24 Yea, like I did with Battery Widget :D Sep 06 22:21:29 Tweaks would be a good idea imo Sep 06 22:21:53 Oh yea! I used Tweaks with SWW to allow the user to enter their location Sep 06 22:21:56 this isn't really an issue with how the weather widget is written though Sep 06 22:22:15 this is an issue of having a solid infrastructure for devs to make widgets with Sep 06 22:22:24 Ohh I see Sep 06 22:22:28 Ahh Sep 06 22:22:28 and I for one don't want to have to say 'sorry, no text input' Sep 06 22:22:35 Can't we edit luna to allow for that? Sep 06 22:22:43 ya, it's possible, just not east Sep 06 22:22:49 s/t/y/ Sep 06 22:22:49 ShiftyAxel meant: ya, iy's possible, just not east Sep 06 22:22:50 Text input is so last year Sep 06 22:22:56 Haha Sep 06 22:23:00 Voice commands! Sep 06 22:23:02 the widget is just a demo of the new API Sep 06 22:23:11 ia! ia! cthulhu fhtagn! Sep 06 22:23:33 Excellent. So since you're already making a weather widget, I guess I don't have to :D Sep 06 22:23:55 Not that it would be much work.. lol. Was gonna reuse Battery Widget code. Sep 06 22:24:33 more are -always- welcome Sep 06 22:24:50 while I'm fairly happy with how mine turned out, it's a tad feature-light Sep 06 22:25:26 I don't like feature-packed widgets anyway. Too messy Sep 06 22:26:19 Hey, does the Touchpad get any GPS data from being on wifi? Sep 06 22:26:37 Wouldn't have to be super accurate, just enough to figure out what town your iin Sep 06 22:27:07 ShiftyAxel: "Post popup" Sep 06 22:27:11 In Taurus Sep 06 22:27:34 Garrett92C: not "GPS data"... but yes, mac-addresses-based location data Sep 06 22:27:41 PatrickC: I don't have the app, can you upload a screenshot to tinypic or something? Sep 06 22:28:00 indeed, GPS is a possibility Sep 06 22:28:00 ShiftyAxel: one second.. Lemme see if I still have it Sep 06 22:28:14 but like i said, solid widget framework = a widget framework with a keyboard Sep 06 22:30:03 Is there a armv6 build of web os? Sep 06 22:30:18 aaa801: the Palm Pixi was ArmV6 Sep 06 22:30:33 Do you have a link to the image for it? Sep 06 22:30:42 attempting to get webos running on the raspberryp i Sep 06 22:32:11 aaa801: you could try to compile Open webOS for armv6 Sep 06 22:32:20 (not sure which arm version it compiles for by default) Sep 06 22:32:29 the OE build would do that Sep 06 22:32:31 im following the instructions on here https://github.com/openwebos/build-desktop/blob/master/README.md Sep 06 22:32:41 since build-webos doesnt work Sep 06 22:32:41 aaa801: build-desktop is for x86 only Sep 06 22:32:44 and you wouldn't have a UI, but the raspi doesn't necessarily need one... Sep 06 22:33:00 aaa801: you'll have to use build-webos Sep 06 22:33:07 build-webos does not work Sep 06 22:33:12 it complains about a sub repo Sep 06 22:33:21 git submodule update meta-oe returns non zero status Sep 06 22:34:42 any ideas pc-world Sep 06 22:35:37 aaa801: I haven't compiled the OpenEmbedded build of webOS myself yet Sep 06 22:36:14 Its a shame that you cant build webos-desktop ontop of raspbian on the pi Sep 06 22:36:14 =/ Sep 06 22:37:36 http://troll.ws/paste/968c0f71 Sep 06 22:38:23 aaa801: webos-desktop is x86 only... Sep 06 22:38:32 and only running on top of some Linux system Sep 06 22:38:44 pc-world: check that error =/ Sep 06 22:38:56 ShiftyAxel: sent Jack an email Sep 06 22:38:58 STAT Sep 06 22:39:05 cheers PatrickC Sep 06 22:39:11 lol Sep 06 22:39:15 so did you still have the app? Sep 06 22:39:32 i used to have the beta, and i have like 5 promo codes, but they're all expired :/ Sep 06 22:39:34 so not right now Sep 06 22:39:41 Jack is normally quick to respond Sep 06 22:39:58 aaa801: did you try building it on your Raspberry? Sep 06 22:40:08 if yes, then try to run build-webos on your desktop PC... Sep 06 22:40:17 this is my desktop Sep 06 22:40:21 and since its a git fial Sep 06 22:40:25 it wouldnt matter anyway =/ Sep 06 22:40:27 fail* Sep 06 22:41:02 well, who knows what version of git you'd have on your arm OS on the raspberry :P Sep 06 22:41:13 and just tweeted him ShiftyAxel, hes really fast to respond to those :P Sep 06 22:46:21 ok manualy checked them out from the .gits Sep 06 22:46:25 seems to be continuing now Sep 06 23:00:45 mhm it actualy builds to armv5 Sep 06 23:01:43 hmm, i have progress on a wave launcher replacement... Sep 06 23:01:48 shame it doesn't launch anything yet Sep 06 23:08:49 * PatrickC thinks ShiftyAxel is going to be happy soon Sep 06 23:09:06 * ShiftyAxel is hoping so Sep 06 23:09:08 new info? Sep 06 23:15:08 ShiftyAxel: he created a custom keyboard for the dashboard Sep 06 23:15:17 it allows you to either type in a straight line or backspace Sep 06 23:17:43 sadly that does not solve my problem Sep 06 23:22:30 yeah, forgot that he used a cutom keyboard Sep 06 23:29:52 where's ka6sox-away ... Sep 06 23:30:02 away Sep 06 23:30:04 * rrix ducks Sep 06 23:30:30 lol Sep 06 23:31:42 ~lart PatrickC Sep 06 23:31:42 * WoceBot does a little 'dpkg -P PatrickC' action Sep 06 23:32:02 not random at all Sep 06 23:33:22 I like him. Sep 06 23:33:41 you woul Sep 06 23:33:44 would* Sep 06 23:34:00 I know, right? Sep 06 23:35:56 what was the text editor you always used on mac halfhalo? Sep 06 23:36:08 textmate Sep 06 23:36:09 i hear vi works well on macs these days Sep 06 23:36:29 ShiftyAxel: it does. but sometimes i like a UI ;) Sep 06 23:36:34 macvim Sep 06 23:36:35 :P Sep 06 23:37:04 macim Sep 06 23:37:16 i don't think that's a word Sep 06 23:37:25 lol Sep 06 23:37:39 WoceBot: what is macim? Sep 06 23:37:39 ShiftyAxel: what are you talking about? Sep 06 23:37:47 even WoceBot is stumped... Sep 06 23:44:32 guys... macim is Mac Instant Messenger... lol :D Sep 06 23:47:30 smarter than WoceBot Sep 07 00:33:32 rrix: you disappear? Sep 07 00:33:44 LarrySteeze: hihi Sep 07 00:34:52 so is that a no? :P Sep 07 00:35:02 Correct :) Sep 07 00:35:18 you a vi guy? Sep 07 00:35:25 * LarrySteeze forces rrix to use komodo Sep 07 00:36:06 i am a vim guy, yes Sep 07 00:36:38 vi != vim Sep 07 00:37:23 Right, it's improved Sep 07 00:37:34 also Sep 07 00:37:42 rrix@hobbes:~ () Sep 07 00:37:43 $ which vi Sep 07 00:37:45 alias vi='vim' Sep 07 00:37:46 /usr/bin/vim Sep 07 00:37:52 and http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/vim-koans/ Sep 07 00:38:10 Particularly 'Master Wq and the Unix master' Sep 07 00:38:25 yeah? http://bit.ly/LmvF Sep 07 00:38:41 * lagoldste zz's Sep 07 00:38:48 lagoldste! Sep 07 00:38:58 the one and only Sep 07 00:39:23 You just linked me to google Sep 07 00:39:58 brb Sep 07 00:41:55 a whole bunch of years ago i got a set of unix related word magnets at a sysadmin conference. not having any other sets of word magnets, there wasn't much i could do with them. but i did come up with "diff vi emacs" Sep 07 00:43:53 where is the part of the license that we were having a debate over where/how/whether we needed to add names to the files? Sep 07 00:44:01 * lagoldste goes back to lurking and working (wurking?) Sep 07 00:44:25 EricBlade, http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html section 4 subsection 2 Sep 07 00:44:43 scoutcamper: thank you Sep 07 00:45:39 to me it's 100% clear and I don't know why should one debate over this... Sep 07 00:46:08 I'm not sure what else you could interpret in this sentence... Sep 07 00:46:57 "*You* *must* cause any *modified* *files* to carry *prominent* notices stating that *You* changed the files" Sep 07 00:46:57 all these words pretty much 100% indicate how you should do it Sep 07 00:47:28 I should highlight *any* too... Sep 07 01:02:24 EricBlade: I surely understand why you now completely remove any notice that you changed the files... not. Sep 07 01:03:15 pc-world: but where should that notification be? Sep 07 01:03:54 ...in the files? Sep 07 01:04:17 ok, well, the Powers that Be definitely don't want it in the copyright block. Sep 07 01:04:32 which was the template that i was following for woce Sep 07 01:05:38 well, as I wasn't sure about the copyright block either, I just put a comment after the license block, stating "// modified by ..., abc@gmail.com" Sep 07 02:14:09 bedtime, nn all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 07 02:59:59 2012