**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 07 02:59:59 2012 Sep 07 03:27:57 yo Sep 07 03:28:55 soy Sep 07 03:28:59 pantalones Sep 07 03:34:36 Tu Sep 07 03:34:41 Eres Pantalones Sep 07 12:53:20 Morning. Sep 07 12:53:35 morning Sep 07 12:53:44 * ShiftyAxel is pre-coffee Sep 07 12:54:11 Heh. Sep 07 12:54:19 I just sat down at my desk at work myself. Sep 07 13:20:30 * HaDAk|work blinks Sep 07 13:32:50 built webos-desktop last night :) Sep 07 14:33:45 i should do that today. Sep 07 14:37:24 * HaDAk|work is building it now Sep 07 14:40:05 lol Sep 07 14:42:27 balls Sep 07 14:42:30 compile failure Sep 07 14:43:16 /home/hkokx/luna-desktop-binaries/staging/include/luna-service2/lunaservice.h:22:24: fatal error: cjson/json.h: No such file or directory Sep 07 14:43:16 compilation terminated. Sep 07 14:43:17 make[2]: *** [CMakeFiles/webos-sysbus.node.dir/src/node_ls2_base.cpp.o] Error 1 Sep 07 14:43:17 make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... Sep 07 14:43:17 make[2]: *** [CMakeFiles/webos-sysbus.node.dir/src/node_ls2.cpp.o] Error 1 Sep 07 14:43:17 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/hkokx/luna-desktop-binaries/nodejs-module-webos-sysbus/build' Sep 07 14:43:19 make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/webos-sysbus.node.dir/all] Error 2 Sep 07 14:43:21 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/hkokx/luna-desktop-binaries/nodejs-module-webos-sysbus/build' Sep 07 14:43:23 make: *** [all] Error 2 Sep 07 14:43:28 so, that sucks. Sep 07 14:47:18 so... what's the big draw to CMake? I see a lot of people using it. Sep 07 14:51:28 beats me. Sep 07 14:51:34 i don't write my own stuff to compile Sep 07 14:52:06 i just blasted away all the stuff i've already compiled. blasted away the repo. resynched it, and i'm rebuilding it. Sep 07 14:52:08 we'll se what happens Sep 07 15:01:59 k Sep 07 15:38:17 looks like it might be compiling fine this time. Sep 07 15:38:18 horray Sep 07 15:46:42 lol Sep 07 15:54:30 ~/luna-desktop-binaries/WebKit/Source/WTF/wtf <-- interesting file path Sep 07 15:54:59 lol Sep 07 15:59:17 everyone says that :P Sep 07 16:00:46 * EricBlade happy dances Sep 07 16:01:48 I see that guy has made some new spiffy statusbar/device menu icons for you guys... lol Sep 07 16:04:52 spiffy… yes Sep 07 16:05:29 the sooner people realise GIMP has a Hue tool and that it's better than the paint bucket, the better Sep 07 16:06:23 lol! Sep 07 16:06:51 I can't really blame him. I was pretty terrible when I first started out too Sep 07 16:08:37 it's true that everyone has to start somewhere Sep 07 16:16:17 ShiftyAxel: You said there was a wifi novaterm right? Sep 07 16:16:35 amnoth: yeah, though i've never had much luck with it Sep 07 16:16:37 I prefer ssh Sep 07 16:16:45 kk, I won't waste my time then. Sep 07 16:16:48 ty Sep 07 16:16:57 np Sep 07 16:17:00 whatcha up to? Sep 07 16:18:08 eh, nothing really right now. Just reading through all you guy's changes. Sep 07 16:18:23 Seeing how this tweaks thing works. Sep 07 16:18:42 there are many changes :) Sep 07 16:18:45 amnoth: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=19787 - novacom via wifi (for current webOS devices, the command line options are different in the open source novacom) Sep 07 16:18:54 EricBlade: ty Sep 07 16:20:43 jeez, ubuntu. "WARNING: This will cause installation of non-authenticated packages." with only a "Close" button for the warning, which is the same as "OK" .. no "Cancel" button Sep 07 16:21:20 So, got a working weather widget running. Just need to start using the new 'height' param and style everything Sep 07 16:22:09 lots of changes to meta-webos lately; anything important? Sep 07 16:26:06 they got some of the stuff that luna will need in, i think, as well as getting all the custom node stuff in, and tweaking some of the other package options Sep 07 16:26:46 sweet Sep 07 16:26:48 thanks Sep 07 17:20:19 woo Sep 07 17:20:21 compiled successfully Sep 07 17:20:24 installed successfull Sep 07 17:20:27 woo! Sep 07 17:20:28 now i just need to figure out how to run it Sep 07 17:20:35 what is "it" Sep 07 17:20:39 open webos Sep 07 17:21:04 desktop? Sep 07 17:21:07 yup Sep 07 17:21:17 run-luna-sysmgr.sh didn't work Sep 07 17:21:35 there we go Sep 07 17:21:41 start the service bus then run it Sep 07 17:23:44 you should also run service-bus.sh services & service-bus.sh init to get accounts going Sep 07 17:27:46 yeah the directions are in the readme Sep 07 17:28:24 oh, i didn't read that. Sep 07 17:28:25 lol Sep 07 17:28:28 init is taking a long time. Sep 07 17:28:35 will it finish eventually? Sep 07 17:29:10 it should do, taking ages is a sign that it isn't working right Sep 07 17:29:28 an issue i ran across also, and don't know how to fix Sep 07 17:29:53 in my case it was something to do with it being built on a different machine, but i doubt that's the problem you're having Sep 07 17:30:01 either that or it just doesn't work yet... Sep 07 17:30:15 i canceled and retried. it worked that time. Sep 07 17:30:39 sweet Sep 07 17:31:32 Random question: Anyone know of a free set of weather icons I can use? Sep 07 17:31:55 jesus christ, that's fast. Sep 07 17:32:46 open webos is MUCH faster than the emulator Sep 07 17:32:48 holy shit. Sep 07 17:36:03 you know what... it's missing all the webos fonts Sep 07 17:36:04 that's sad Sep 07 17:40:41 ok, LunaSysMgr is using 10.7% of my 4gb Sep 07 17:40:54 let's see what it looks like in a little while. maybe they sorted that bug out. Sep 07 17:41:30 which bug? Sep 07 17:41:51 i said the wrong thingie Sep 07 17:41:58 the webappmgr memory bug Sep 07 17:42:03 oh, that Sep 07 17:42:08 which Sep 07 17:42:11 i don't see in top Sep 07 17:42:14 so fuggit Sep 07 17:42:23 I think it's been replaced by BrowserServer Sep 07 17:42:31 or some other Isis component Sep 07 17:42:44 so we're home free, so long as Isis doesn't have memory leaks :P Sep 07 17:43:49 have they/are they updat(ing|ed) Qt? Sep 07 17:43:52 erm Sep 07 17:43:54 fuck, i'm tired. Sep 07 17:44:06 I think OWO uses 4.8 Sep 07 17:44:10 s/Qt/webkit/ Sep 07 17:44:27 yeah, webkit is way way further along than 3.0.5 Sep 07 17:44:36 GOOD Sep 07 17:44:42 now al lwe need is a browser lol Sep 07 17:44:54 load up a bunch of apps in OWO, preferably ones that have animations Sep 07 17:45:02 then card view them all and marvel at the not lagginess Sep 07 17:45:22 it's awesome, I can't wait to see it with full hardware accelleration Sep 07 17:48:13 you can't stack? Sep 07 17:48:18 does anyone here know of a full-screen app that I can get through preware? Sep 07 17:48:30 you can, but it's really finicky about the tap-and-hold trigger Sep 07 17:48:56 i'm sure it'll be fixed Sep 07 17:49:02 yeah Sep 07 17:49:05 it was destorying my little work machine, so i'm done playing for now Sep 07 17:49:07 i like it though Sep 07 17:49:16 yeah, it's a good start Sep 07 17:49:30 i'm amazed at how fast it is Sep 07 17:49:41 how so? Sep 07 17:49:49 startup was instant Sep 07 17:49:53 loading cards is fast and smooth Sep 07 17:50:00 ya, LSM itself actually starts super fast Sep 07 17:50:16 and, it's probably just this POS computer, but moving around inside the email app was a bit sluggish Sep 07 17:50:18 it's when you add a bunch of other processes starting up at the same time that boot gets slow Sep 07 17:50:22 this computer was struggling Sep 07 17:50:33 I think UI accelleration isn't there yet Sep 07 17:50:41 AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 245e Processor Sep 07 17:50:48 I loaded up the enyo2 sampler as an app and it ran like a powerpoint Sep 07 17:50:55 (that means nothing without a clockspeed) Sep 07 17:50:55 yuck Sep 07 17:51:13 like i said, hardware accellerated will be win, until then it's 'good' :) Sep 07 17:51:15 cpu MHz : 1500.000 Sep 07 17:51:42 my other core is at cpu MHz : 800.000 Sep 07 17:51:47 so. it may be power stepping Sep 07 17:51:52 maybe not Sep 07 17:54:08 EricBlade: how are you getting on with the 'English' button fix? Sep 07 17:54:19 ShiftyAxel: wasn't aware it was fixed Sep 07 17:54:20 Anyone have a link to the page that explains how to use the new dashboard height? Sep 07 17:54:28 HaDAk: a nice round '2.whateverGhz' would be nice :P Sep 07 17:54:35 EricBlade: I thought you were looking into it? Sep 07 17:54:38 ShiftyAxel: can we please make it a two letter country code instead of "English"? Sep 07 17:54:57 HaDAk|work: ask mansandersson/pc-world/EricBlade Sep 07 17:55:10 Garrett92C: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/LunaCE_APIs Sep 07 17:55:33 * ShiftyAxel goes back to bug huntin' Sep 07 17:55:36 ShiftyAxel: i thought i was passing on that one because i didn't know the reasoning behind the changes, also, i've been stupidly busy. and my job interview went well. :) Sep 07 17:55:46 ShiftyAxel: Thanks! Was impossible to find.. lol Sep 07 17:55:50 EricBlade: ah, well congrats :) Sep 07 17:56:13 Garrett92C: I'm pretty sure it's in the preware description Sep 07 17:56:29 EricBlade: good news! did you get it then? Sep 07 17:56:38 ShiftyAxel: Hmm.. The one place I didn't look. lol Sep 07 17:56:56 EricBlade: how hard would it be to abstract out the keyboard from LunaSysMgr? Sep 07 17:57:50 HaDAk we need to hammer out some detailsbut it looks like i'll be taking a month long trip to familiarize myself with all the fun toys, and the people i'll be working with, and then i get to come back home and work from here :) Sep 07 17:58:58 EricBlade: nice! where at? Sep 07 17:58:58 HaDAk|work: define 'abstract'? Sep 07 17:59:20 ShiftyAxel: pull it out of the binary, so we can swap keyboards in on the fly -- like android does Sep 07 17:59:25 i haven't done any work in the keyboard department, but i have some information that leads me to believe that with the keyboard stuff we were given it shouldn't be "extremely" difficult to plugin keyboards via other software, much like the Chinese webOS would've done Sep 07 17:59:55 if anyone has any insight as to how the Chinese webOS would've done that, it'd probably be helpful Sep 07 18:00:12 HaDAk|work: not so easy, we could probably do keymaps though Sep 07 18:00:36 so it would use the same keyboard engine, but w/a layout modifiable via JSON or something Sep 07 18:01:10 I don't see why we need an entirely different keyboard when we can make improvements and add features to the one we have Sep 07 18:02:44 because swype. Sep 07 18:02:47 and voice to text. Sep 07 18:03:03 do you need another reason? Sep 07 18:03:14 also, how many keyboards are in the android market? Sep 07 18:03:19 how many are developers making money on? Sep 07 18:03:34 if we have the only keyboard and don't open up an api, developers have one less reason to write apps Sep 07 18:03:44 hadak: unfortunately, i cannot say at this time who it is Sep 07 18:03:49 as I said, swype can be added to the existing keyboard, as can voice to text Sep 07 18:04:09 ShiftyAxel: swype could, if we wrote it. let them write it. Sep 07 18:04:16 EricBlade: keep me posted. i'm rootin' for ya! Sep 07 18:04:21 fragmentation = bad, mkay? Sep 07 18:04:34 it's not fragmentation Sep 07 18:04:43 it's abstraction :P Sep 07 18:04:49 i'm rooting for you too! although i don't particularly know what exactly i'm rooting for.. Sep 07 18:05:05 keyboard apps are hugely popular in android, and having a keyboard API available for apps is rather popular in iOS too Sep 07 18:05:10 what else do you call 'hundreds of different replacement options' vs 'one really good, polished one' Sep 07 18:05:32 ShiftyAxel: a revenue path? Sep 07 18:05:36 an API would be good, I say we stick to the single-keyboard-only-moddable route Sep 07 18:05:52 I'm not down with sacrificing quality for revenue Sep 07 18:06:23 not all apps are going to be good, including keyboards. BUT. there are keyboards out there doing things that we could never dream to accomplish. Sep 07 18:06:32 and i think we should open up the path for them to enter the market. Sep 07 18:07:12 'never dream to accomplish' Sep 07 18:07:23 so you think we're incapable of making a passable swype? Sep 07 18:07:24 :P Sep 07 18:07:28 HaDAk|work: change the keyboard name to a two-letter country/language code if you feel that's better. I don't remember the reasoning for having it the way it is, if I ever had a reasoning that is ;-) Sep 07 18:08:02 mansandersson: the issue is more that it isn't an omnipresent layout-change button Sep 07 18:08:06 I believe Sep 07 18:08:31 mansandersson: the issue i have is that it's gaudy. everything else is 1-2 characters, then there's this giant string on a single button Sep 07 18:09:06 also, when you tap it, it successfully switches between predefined keyboards (i have an english autocorrect and an english no autocorrect keyboard), but it doesn't TELL you it does. Sep 07 18:09:20 ShiftyAxel: I can see the problem with that too. I just didn't want a hundred different layouts for the same language to show up in regional settings Sep 07 18:09:50 HaDAk|work: I was thinking of typing the auto-correct language on the space key (much like android does I believe) but I didn't come so fare Sep 07 18:09:54 we need some sort of compromise Sep 07 18:10:08 aka a fix :P Sep 07 18:10:16 mansandersson: how about two letter country code, then below it in light gray the autocorrect keyboard? Sep 07 18:10:38 also, we should have a keyboard layout editor for custom keyboards Sep 07 18:10:44 so i could drag keys on in any order i want. Sep 07 18:10:51 ooh, I like that idea Sep 07 18:10:53 and each key could be a macro of sorts, if i chose. Sep 07 18:10:56 actually editing on-device Sep 07 18:10:59 yeah Sep 07 18:11:12 i could create a "hacker" keyboard or something, where it has all my special symbols right up front Sep 07 18:11:15 as an example Sep 07 18:11:18 or a keyboard with only smilies Sep 07 18:11:22 or whatever. Sep 07 18:11:27 HaDAk|work: double the information on the same key, wouldn't that be kind-of counter-productive if we wan't to minimize the content on the button? Sep 07 18:11:32 ya, that would be possible. a lot of work, but yeah Sep 07 18:11:40 mansandersson: not if it was done nicely Sep 07 18:11:47 ShiftyAxel: :D let's do it. Sep 07 18:11:52 HaDAk|work: yes a plugin-able keyboard would be nice Sep 07 18:11:55 and by "let's" i mean "do it!" Sep 07 18:12:19 did I hear someone say 'i'll stay here and keep watch, you go on ahead'? :P Sep 07 18:12:35 and don't forget to clean up behind yourslef Sep 07 18:12:41 "comment your code!" Sep 07 18:12:44 * ShiftyAxel has other things to be doing Sep 07 18:12:44 yadda yadda Sep 07 18:12:51 aka squashing bugs Sep 07 18:12:59 * HaDAk|work removes all of ShiftyAxel's responsibilities and places them on EricBlade Sep 07 18:13:01 and putting back all the shit palm took out in 3.x Sep 07 18:13:15 and 2.x Sep 07 18:13:40 yay, not just me that likes 2.x better than 3.x :-P Sep 07 18:13:46 i was having issues with the mini-card view the other day. every time i tried to tap to make the cards bigger again, it maximized the card. also, stacking them was odd, because the boundaries and hitboxes and shit were still the size of the large card Sep 07 18:14:53 mansandersson: from a technical standpoint, 3.x ftw Sep 07 18:15:10 from a usability and 'webOS Palm lovely jubbly' feel, 2.x all the way Sep 07 18:15:15 aside from the lack of minicards Sep 07 18:15:24 precisely Sep 07 18:18:43 hey, how can i launch an app in the new open webos? Sep 07 18:18:50 like, if i wanted to use it for development? Sep 07 18:18:55 there's no palm-run Sep 07 18:19:06 HaDAk|work: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5179395/space_english.png wouldn't something like this be better for keeping track of the auto-correct language? Sep 07 18:19:26 mansandersson: personally, i'd hate it. Sep 07 18:19:38 i think a double line height language button makes a lot more sense Sep 07 18:19:51 top line is "EN" Sep 07 18:20:05 bottom line is a smaller font, lighter color, and says "English" Sep 07 18:20:11 or "QWERTY" Sep 07 18:20:22 but the point is, smaller font, lighter text. Sep 07 18:21:00 okay, will see if I can fix an example of that as quick ;-) Sep 07 18:23:32 :) Sep 07 18:24:48 HaDAk|work: when talking about json keyboards... look at row 743 in TabletKeymap.cpp - getKeyboardLayoutAsJson() Sep 07 18:24:56 something we could use maybe? Sep 07 18:25:09 got a github link? i'm at work, without the source handdy Sep 07 18:25:14 s/handdy/handy Sep 07 18:25:16 2sec Sep 07 18:26:04 https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/blob/features/Src/ime/TabletKeymap.cpp#L743 Sep 07 18:26:08 that does sound interesting Sep 07 18:26:18 though we'd need a template of this keyboard JSON Sep 07 18:26:42 also for the record I also would have having a space bar with text on it Sep 07 18:26:50 s/v/t/ Sep 07 18:26:50 ShiftyAxel meant: also for the record I also would hate having a space bar with text on it Sep 07 18:27:46 mansandersson: forgive me, that code is beyond my working knowledge of cpp Sep 07 18:28:05 HaDAk|work: I haven't looked into it but at least the name speaks to me Sep 07 18:28:06 :-P Sep 07 18:33:57 it looks complicated Sep 07 18:34:03 and involves pbnjson stuff Sep 07 18:34:18 and returns a std::string layoutString Sep 07 18:35:55 and is utilised in TabletKeyboard.cpp Sep 07 18:35:56 https://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr/blob/features/Src/ime/TabletKeyboard.cpp#L337 Sep 07 18:37:25 so it looks like the support is already there, it just needs stuff passed to it under the name "keyboard_layout" Sep 07 18:39:51 looks like that's my bughuntin' done for the day Sep 07 18:45:15 HaDAk|work: is this more like (don't comment on the text colors 'cause this is just a very quick demo) https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5179395/twoVertical_languageKey.png Sep 07 18:46:59 mansandersson: looks good, but I think 'en' should be in white (like English is currently) and 'English' should be either black or a light grey Sep 07 18:50:03 you think it's okay to have English (i.e. the keyboard layout) on top and en (the auto-correct language) on the bottom? Sep 07 18:50:38 mansandersson: i agree with ShiftyAxel about the colors, and they should be swapped -- en on top Sep 07 18:51:02 okay, will look into it Sep 07 18:52:01 I'd prefer to have 'en' on top personally Sep 07 18:59:21 * ShiftyAxel has made several excellent wins in making the new features more polished today Sep 07 19:03:38 Whats the status for the OWO desktop build for 64bit? Sep 07 19:04:04 I know people hacked some stuff together. Was it all working or still in progress? Sep 07 19:04:22 Seems nothing of it is in the desktop-build repo yet Sep 07 19:06:42 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5179395/twoVertical_white.png Sep 07 19:06:51 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5179395/twoVertical_whiteBlack.png Sep 07 19:07:47 can you swap them, top and bottom? also, english should be lighter than the en Sep 07 19:08:32 kinda like the ' and " key Sep 07 19:08:42 except the color is wrong Sep 07 19:08:44 and stuff Sep 07 19:09:26 I like the first one Sep 07 19:09:37 except swap en and English around Sep 07 19:09:39 ah, there we go. Found panda-z github repo with an x86-64 branch :) Sep 07 19:09:41 I like the white one too Sep 07 19:10:10 the color's already used does not fit on the dark background, except white...so maybe it's just me being lazy ;-) Sep 07 19:10:23 I'll swap them right away Sep 07 19:10:40 :) Sep 07 19:18:20 swapped: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5179395/twoVertical_white_switched.png Sep 07 19:18:41 I like Sep 07 19:18:55 though perhaps 'en/QWERTY' or 'en/DVORAK' etc would work better Sep 07 19:19:02 that way it's more informative Sep 07 19:19:31 but what do you write on e.g. swedish qwerty to distinguish between english qwerty? Sep 07 19:20:42 'se/QWERTY'? Sep 07 19:21:08 also, you guys like wavelaunchers, right? Sep 07 19:21:11 but how do you see the auto-correct language then? (wasn't that what actually started this?) Sep 07 19:21:19 oh yeah... Sep 07 19:21:52 well...I gotta go for now. Will continue later. Just keep hitting me with ideas and I will read them when I'm back. Thanks Sep 07 19:22:28 use a small country flag picture and have it on/under the keyboard-hide icon? Sep 07 19:24:18 we'd neeed graphics for that Sep 07 19:24:25 ones that fit with the webOS keyboard Sep 07 19:24:28 plenty of free stuff Sep 07 19:24:46 yes, but little to none fits with the existing graphic design, i'm willing to bet Sep 07 19:25:02 v likely aye Sep 07 19:26:04 dont wanna overload your keyboard with text tho, ittl look fugly Sep 07 19:26:22 ya, we need a way to keep it to the minimum Sep 07 19:27:00 Country flags are imprecise and ambiguous Sep 07 19:27:28 youd know your own tho yeah? Sep 07 19:27:34 or ones ud use Sep 07 19:27:36 hello Appstache Sep 07 19:27:44 Hey. Sep 07 19:27:51 get my tweet? Sep 07 19:28:29 https://www.dropbox.com/s/81r8byjqmy0aq3n/LunaCE%20Logo.zip Sep 07 19:28:30 Yeah, I just got done uploading a vector and two PNGs to dropbox. Sep 07 19:28:52 sweet, thanks very much Sep 07 19:29:07 ATTENTION CHANNEL: Appstache is the winner of the LunaCE logo contest! Sep 07 19:29:12 ~winnar Appstache Sep 07 19:29:13 * WoceBot crowns Appstache the Winnar, Huzzah! Sep 07 19:29:38 It's not a problem. great to help. If you need any alterations or anything just holler. Sep 07 19:29:42 I accept this crown. Four more years. Sep 07 19:31:14 * rrix points to http://www.jankoatwarpspeed.com/post/2008/10/27/You-should-never-use-flags-for-language-choice.aspx#1 Sep 07 19:31:23 :) Sep 07 19:32:58 * ShiftyAxel points to the pointer pointed at by rrix, causing a memory leak Sep 07 19:33:15 don't be http://www.pointerpointer.com/ :P Sep 07 19:33:27 thanks, my brain just melted Sep 07 19:33:42 :) Sep 07 19:33:49 WTF MENTAL Sep 07 19:33:55 * ShiftyAxel has a kernel panic Sep 07 19:34:23 ah, pity. My libyajl seems to be to new for the desktop build. Ubuntu still shipd the 1.x series Sep 07 19:45:44 ShiftyAxel: good, i liked his logo best. Sep 07 19:56:33 rrix: still about? Sep 07 19:57:35 hey peeps Sep 07 19:58:46 rrix: you just ruined my productivity for the day Sep 07 19:58:55 morning patrickC Sep 07 19:59:00 ShiftyAxel: sup Sep 07 19:59:10 hey bluen Sep 07 19:59:16 HaDAk|work: Would you say I've … pointed you in the wrong direction? Sep 07 19:59:18 * rrix shades Sep 07 19:59:26 BA DUM CHA Sep 07 19:59:27 YEEEEEEEEAAAAHHHHHHH Sep 07 19:59:34 :) Sep 07 19:59:37 :D Sep 07 19:59:42 rrix: I wish that were faster, otherwise, it's awesome Sep 07 19:59:42 rrix: down for testing 4.9.0? great leaps have been made Sep 07 20:00:20 ShiftyAxel: I should but I left both my fondleslabs at home :x Sep 07 20:00:22 rrix: thanks ofr that link.... :S Sep 07 20:00:23 lol Sep 07 20:01:03 any time Sep 07 20:01:10 oh dear :P Sep 07 20:01:16 Yes? Sep 07 20:01:21 it's cool, is there anyone else around who wants to do testage? Sep 07 20:01:27 * PatrickC raises hand Sep 07 20:01:35 if theres testing to be done, i'm always available :) Sep 07 20:04:43 i WANT to Sep 07 20:04:47 but my TP is on the charger. Sep 07 20:04:48 at home. Sep 07 20:04:54 what's new in 4.9.0? Sep 07 20:05:42 everything Sep 07 20:06:19 HaDAk|work: bugfixes, better card view navigation (particularly in minicard view) and this newfangled WAVE LAUNCHER thing that everyone keeps going on about Sep 07 20:06:28 * ShiftyAxel does not know what all the fuss is Sep 07 20:07:22 oh nice Sep 07 20:07:27 i will absolutely test that when i get home Sep 07 20:07:57 ShiftyAxel: i can test now :) Sep 07 20:09:31 PatrickC: okay, 'git clone git://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr-binaries Sep 07 20:09:48 s/ies/ies.git'/ Sep 07 20:09:49 ShiftyAxel meant: PatrickC: okay, 'git clone git://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr-binaries.git' Sep 07 20:10:06 plug in device, then cd into LunaSysMgr-binaries and run ./install.sh Sep 07 20:11:04 be warned, it's more of a 'floating bar launcher' at the moment, because we have no wave graphic that we can legally use Sep 07 20:11:14 but functionally it's the same Sep 07 20:11:17 kk Sep 07 20:11:51 and you activate it by pressing and holding on the bottom of the screen, we couldn't so the slow upswipe due to the new gesture detection engines Sep 07 20:11:51 booting now Sep 07 20:12:13 write any cool easter eggs yet? ;-) Sep 07 20:12:23 * PatrickC loves him some easter eggs Sep 07 20:12:59 ShiftyAxel: i can photoshop together a wave launcher icon later Sep 07 20:14:30 ShiftyAxel: nice :) Sep 07 20:14:36 i like the pinch-to-zoom on cards Sep 07 20:14:38 got a screenshot? Sep 07 20:14:41 of the new wave? Sep 07 20:14:45 and the wave bar is nice (needs some tweaking) Sep 07 20:15:26 something funny is when you shrink the big cards down and can't tell them from the mini-cards Sep 07 20:15:43 yeah. that was clunky. Sep 07 20:15:46 I seriously confused myself playing when them Sep 07 20:16:00 *with* Sep 07 20:16:01 there should be a minimum size of the large cards that's a lot larger than the maximum size of the small cards Sep 07 20:16:15 i turned it off because it was confusing Sep 07 20:17:04 I just thought it was funny. Sep 07 20:18:12 HaDAk|work: we need the wave background, not an icon Sep 07 20:18:32 ShiftyAxel: i know Sep 07 20:18:34 for what we have now, it's literally the 3.x QL, floating 64px above the user's finger Sep 07 20:18:37 ShiftyAxel: that only makes it easier Sep 07 20:18:46 so, it's not rounded? Sep 07 20:19:01 oh and it makes sense, but the zoom gesture only works on single card stacks if you have the spread gesture on. Sep 07 20:19:26 HaDAk|work: no, it's the transparent, square-edged 3.0.5 QL that we all know and love Sep 07 20:19:27 i kinda dig spread Sep 07 20:19:33 me too Sep 07 20:19:40 ShiftyAxel: hah. it should be the WAVE launcher from 2.x Sep 07 20:19:45 ;) Sep 07 20:19:53 i can make a background if you can make it an actual wave. Sep 07 20:20:02 yeah, and I'll point the big lawsuit copyright shotgun at you when it comes :P Sep 07 20:20:10 :-) Sep 07 20:20:14 the 2.x wave was just a .png… of a wave Sep 07 20:20:22 no fancy graphical or maths magic there Sep 07 20:20:27 i know. Sep 07 20:20:31 i'm not talking about the graphic Sep 07 20:20:32 aside from the icon positioning/sizing, that's where the magic comes in Sep 07 20:20:34 i'll make the graphic myself Sep 07 20:20:51 i want the "waved" icons and the scaling Sep 07 20:20:54 i'll handle the png Sep 07 20:29:32 cool Sep 07 20:29:38 a png may not be needed, now I look at it Sep 07 20:29:59 currently the bg is a 8px wide gradient stretched to fill the space, that'll be hard to do with a fixed-width png Sep 07 20:30:04 better to do it programatically Sep 07 20:30:33 PatrickC: you never got back to me on the test, does the wave bar function? Sep 07 20:30:42 also does card navigation work properly? Sep 07 20:30:43 yep Sep 07 20:30:50 what part of card navigation? Sep 07 20:33:27 minicards, does it trigger easily, can you move about/open cards as expected, etc Sep 07 20:38:48 yes you can ShiftyAxel Sep 07 20:38:54 everything seems to be working good :) Sep 07 20:40:01 so that's a confirmation? Sep 07 20:40:41 yes Sep 07 20:45:10 sweet, thanks Sep 07 20:45:16 no prob Sep 07 20:45:29 really liking how LunaCE is going :) Sep 07 20:45:37 now... to get it onto other platforms... :P Sep 07 20:45:44 LarrySteeze|Away needs to hurry up and come back Sep 07 20:45:53 CE will never go to other platforms Sep 07 20:45:56 OWO will though Sep 07 20:46:08 well, the luna UI Sep 07 20:46:13 i guess it's OE Sep 07 20:47:13 i still want luna fullscreen on my comptuer. Sep 07 20:47:18 instead of KDE Sep 07 20:47:21 i want it on my RAZR MAXX Sep 07 20:47:26 of course, i'd also need X11 Sep 07 21:38:15 so, I told my computer to reboot, because for some reason it wouldn't recognize my new USB key Sep 07 21:38:36 it decided, even though it was a clean shutdown, that it was time to do a file system check on my drives. Sep 07 21:38:56 3.2TB of space, with slightly more than half full, takes quite a while Sep 07 21:40:33 ouch Sep 07 21:40:42 and i thought fsck was nasty on a 320gb Sep 07 21:40:55 dang Sep 07 21:41:26 this really makes me wish that we had better Bluetooth keyboard control Sep 07 21:42:57 although IRC from the touchpad is pretty nice with the keyboard, not many other apps are very keyboard friendly Sep 07 21:43:54 (like xo) *ducks* Sep 07 21:43:56 * rrix runs Sep 07 21:44:24 nope, xo is definitely not Sep 07 21:44:41 I don't have any idea how you'd control xo from a keyboard Sep 07 21:44:58 Me neither, I just enjoying giving you trouble :) Sep 07 21:45:44 hmm. when you receive a private message in wirc it doesn't open a new window for it until after you acknowledge the dashboard notification. this makes me want keyboard handling in the notification window Sep 07 21:46:33 what's the link to the idea tracker? that should be in the topic, too Sep 07 21:47:21 whoa wth Sep 07 21:47:30 EricBlade-TP: dashboards really need keyboard support :( Sep 07 21:47:45 Control in a text input on the Bluetooth keyboard brings up the phone Sym-keyboard Sep 07 21:47:54 you would think that would be what the Symbol key does, maybe Sep 07 21:48:03 except Symbol doesn't seem to do anything Sep 07 21:48:21 dear lord, it's finally rebooting. hallelujah Sep 07 21:58:38 wave launcher = mustache launcher Sep 07 21:58:40 that is all Sep 07 21:59:08 new desktop owos build available says my email Sep 07 21:59:24 ya, mine too Sep 07 21:59:31 with a browser! Sep 07 21:59:44 wallpaper, just type and universal search too Sep 07 21:59:47 w00t! Sep 07 22:12:15 ugh, it's reloading qt Sep 07 22:12:19 \o/ Sep 07 22:12:35 joyous fun of not having a dev build system Sep 07 22:12:38 so, last night i build a 11.10 VM, and then built webos-desktop in it... Sep 07 22:12:44 now the stupid VM doesn't boot :S Sep 07 22:19:14 HaDAk|work: No need to worry about the png, I've managed to hack up a 'stache launcher using C++ Sep 07 22:32:29 blah i had to nuke my old install Sep 07 22:34:23 stinks :/ Sep 07 22:35:48 ShiftyAxel: alright. did you get something working? Sep 07 22:36:20 HaDAk_: yeah, I'm drawing vector shapes with code Sep 07 22:36:28 looks fairly swish Sep 07 22:36:31 nice Sep 07 22:37:10 why isn't any of this alpha testing stuff in the alpha feeds? :-P Sep 07 22:37:19 because it's on github ;) Sep 07 22:37:19 hehe Sep 07 22:37:21 ShiftyAxel: gimmie a screenshot :D Sep 07 22:38:11 I don't always have an ubuntu install going, esp the new releases Sep 07 22:38:32 they don't run very well on old hardware :-O Sep 07 22:38:34 that's easy to change Sep 07 22:39:20 HaDAk_: gimme a sec, I wanna make it more 'stache-ly Sep 07 22:39:32 ShiftyAxel: and let me know when it's in the git :) Sep 07 22:42:02 if you could make it a handlebar 'stache, that would be super Sep 07 22:42:25 nobody else has one of those for a launcher Sep 07 22:43:59 PatrickC: I won't be updating the binaries repo until the next release Sep 07 22:44:07 handlebar 'stache is my goal :D Sep 07 22:45:49 I must apologize, I just saw 4.9 in the beta feed :-) Sep 07 22:46:19 tsk tsk Sep 07 22:46:32 4.9 doesn't have 'stache though Sep 07 22:46:38 just the standard QL graphics Sep 07 22:48:21 hmm. patching the new build script with the x64 diff from panda-z results in an interesting failure Sep 07 22:48:33 and I need to figure out how to make the icons do the uppy downy thing Sep 07 22:53:18 'sokay, I have my own 'stache :-) Sep 07 22:53:32 suppertime! Sep 07 22:53:49 hmm. nice icon. Sep 07 22:55:40 * HaDAk_ waits impatiently Sep 07 22:58:56 HaDAk_: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82739429/browser_2012-07-09_235753.png Sep 07 22:59:08 GABE NEWELL WITH A GIANT MOUSTACHE HOLY FUCKIN SHIT Sep 07 22:59:12 rrix^^ Sep 07 22:59:19 lol Sep 07 22:59:20 EricBlade: What's the error? Sep 07 22:59:23 it's hideous. Sep 07 22:59:31 but a valiant first effort Sep 07 22:59:48 I'd like to see you make that out of a QPainter :P Sep 07 23:00:05 i told you, i'd do it with a PNG. it would be easier and look nice :) Sep 07 23:00:12 WRONG Sep 07 23:00:31 how do you propose I scale a PNG using the existing graphics engine without it breaking horrible? Sep 07 23:00:36 s/e/y/ Sep 07 23:00:36 ShiftyAxel meant: how do you proposy I scale a PNG using the existing graphics engine without it breaking horrible? Sep 07 23:00:39 meh Sep 07 23:00:55 and it's not finished, still needs icon positioning and a proper gradient instead of a badly-wrapped texture Sep 07 23:01:14 ShiftyAxel: you swap PNGs Sep 07 23:01:41 okay then, how do you plan to make a 4*128 png into a wave? Sep 07 23:02:11 emphasis on the fact that it's only 4px wide Sep 07 23:02:47 panda-z: http://pastebin.com/W4B8yMAm Sep 07 23:02:49 Obviously, that's not possible. How did 2.x do it? Sep 07 23:03:35 with a 480-ish pixels wide png Sep 07 23:03:44 and a homescreen that was locked into landscape Sep 07 23:04:57 so, we can swap the PNG when the screen rotates, right? Sep 07 23:05:17 i don't understand how wave works Sep 07 23:05:42 I'm not writing a bunch of new code just for a png, it's much easier to use QPainter Sep 07 23:05:52 EricBlade: how exactly? Sep 07 23:06:03 i don't understand how to trigger it Sep 07 23:06:04 can you use qpainter to make a gaussian blur? Sep 07 23:06:23 I think it can do filters, but they tend to be slow in runtime Sep 07 23:06:33 it would be badass if it did that. Sep 07 23:06:35 EricBlade: did you read the help section in tweaks? Sep 07 23:06:43 yes Sep 07 23:06:53 tap-and-hold on the bottom of the screen and it'll appear Sep 07 23:06:56 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/opencl-snapshot/blur.html Sep 07 23:07:16 HaDAk_: do you know what OpenCL is? Sep 07 23:07:24 eh. Sep 07 23:07:29 not really. not my forte. Sep 07 23:07:44 here's a hint: TP definately doesn't have it :P Sep 07 23:07:49 drat. Sep 07 23:07:55 it's a language that lets you perform CPU stuff on GPUs Sep 07 23:07:59 there are other ways though Sep 07 23:13:11 ShiftyAxel: where on the bottom Sep 07 23:13:31 nowhere specific, anywhere along the bottom ~30px of the screen Sep 07 23:15:30 all that does is start the ql icon move Sep 07 23:16:21 it shows the QL and makes it hover above your finger, then launches the app above your finger when you release it Sep 07 23:16:33 there's no 'wave' yet, but it's functionally identical Sep 07 23:18:59 can't make it do anything other than move my ql icons Sep 07 23:20:21 morning Sep 07 23:20:30 are you trying to activate it inside an app or in card view? Sep 07 23:21:57 oh, you do it from an app Sep 07 23:22:11 yeah, it has some small issues from in card view atm Sep 07 23:22:21 it works, so long as you don't touch any of the icons Sep 07 23:22:31 invading screenspace like that is prob not the best idea Sep 07 23:23:12 how do you mean? Sep 07 23:23:47 can't tap-hold on anything at the bottom of the screen if that's the case Sep 07 23:24:25 also, i just launched mail from it, and other than the animated launch screen, it's not doing anything. and the touchpad went out to lunch for many seconds Sep 07 23:24:53 hmm, shouldn't be any issues with launching apps Sep 07 23:25:33 ShiftyAxel: should I get rid of the launcher patch (for the 8 icons ) in order to see the wave launcher? Sep 07 23:25:38 and we already invade screenspace with the gesture catching Sep 07 23:25:56 no bluen, it's just the QL bar Sep 07 23:26:12 so long as you haven't installed a patch to remove it you will be fine Sep 07 23:28:09 ShiftyAxel: when I tap and it appears, is it supposed to disappear when I lift my finger? Sep 07 23:28:27 did you ever use the original wave launcher? Sep 07 23:29:47 ShiftyAxel: I did but never put more than the stock no of apps on it and also I used it with the phone where it was easier to press an app Sep 07 23:30:16 * EricBlade pings panda-z Sep 07 23:30:18 then you'll remember how it launched the app and disappeared when you release your finger... Sep 07 23:30:19 Good evening! Sep 07 23:30:31 EricBlade: pong Sep 07 23:30:38 ShiftyAxel: I finished up my weather widget :) Sep 07 23:30:48 panda-z: sorry to interrupt, just wasn't sure if you saw my pastebin or no Sep 07 23:31:05 Garrett92C: awesome, do you have it on preware or as an ipk or something? :) Sep 07 23:31:30 Of course! Not in Preware yet, but here's a link: http://webos.choorp.org/download/com.choorp.weather-widget_1.0.0_all.ipk Sep 07 23:31:54 Obviously, you need LunaCE too. It uses a 120px tall dash Sep 07 23:32:26 EricBlade: Yes, I've saw the link, the error is strange. Did you update the code? Sep 07 23:33:00 Letting people try my app for the first time always makes me nervous... :/ Sep 07 23:33:16 Garrett92C: what does your widget look like? Sep 07 23:33:33 panda-z: yeah all code is updated, then i copied the build script to a new file, applied the patch to it, manually applied a chunk that didn't parse to the new file. Sep 07 23:33:41 my guess is that it's mixing x86 and x64 somewhere now Sep 07 23:33:46 Garrett92C: I'll install it on my TP shortly after I finish making the mustache bushier :P Sep 07 23:34:15 HaDAk_: It opens a dashboard that gets your location and displays your local weather. Sep 07 23:34:27 EricBlade, were you able to update owl desktop build with new changes without rebuilding the entire thing or do you have to start from scratch? Sep 07 23:34:32 owo Sep 07 23:34:54 bluen: i blew away the old one just in case it was the cause of the error i'm receiving Sep 07 23:35:11 Garrett92C: didn't ask what it did. asked what it looked like. :) Sep 07 23:35:29 Garrett92C: $5 that HaDAk calls it hideous Sep 07 23:35:38 * HaDAk_ calls things hideous a lot. Sep 07 23:35:54 Ohh.. haha. Here's a screenshot: http://webos.choorp.org/projects/WeatherWidget-preview1.png Sep 07 23:36:12 ShiftAxel: haha :( Sep 07 23:36:23 Garrett92C: it's gorgeous. i love it :D Sep 07 23:36:33 ShiftAxel: Pay up! Sep 07 23:36:41 Garrett92C: animated background would be fking sweet Sep 07 23:36:52 also, is that fire next to the 71%? Sep 07 23:36:54 Thanks HaDAk_!! Glad you like it Sep 07 23:37:01 do i have a 71% chance of dying of fire? Sep 07 23:37:13 Ugh no... Try finding an icon for "humidity" >:/ Sep 07 23:37:18 EricBlade: hmm... the qt repo is updated, i'll check it out. Sep 07 23:37:29 Garrett92C: he's right, it is indeed gorgeous! Sep 07 23:37:35 Garrett92C: water drop? Sep 07 23:37:48 water drop says 'rain level' to me Sep 07 23:37:48 Might be read as "rain" :/ Sep 07 23:37:57 71% chance of rain Sep 07 23:37:58 Garrett92C: There better be a tweet about that now that can be retweeted like... now. Sep 07 23:38:00 could be Sep 07 23:38:08 I went with that because it was kinda like steam.. lol Sep 07 23:38:24 I'm going to make a thread for it first at webOSNation Sep 07 23:38:25 how about a small cloud? Sep 07 23:38:49 Ah, that could work Sep 07 23:39:28 ShiftyAxel: i *should* have a working quick-reply bar for my mail app modifications by this weekend. Sep 07 23:39:49 HaDAk_: nice, I look forward to seeing it Sep 07 23:39:59 please distribute in patch form this time :) Sep 07 23:40:10 :P Sep 07 23:40:23 i'll let you clone the repo and make the patch Sep 07 23:40:27 windows is a hoe for diffing Sep 07 23:41:41 make it yourself! there are tools available Sep 07 23:42:01 the project leader is not subject to menial tasks, and when he is the cluebat comes out :P Sep 07 23:42:07 Garrett92C: catalog that. Sep 07 23:42:39 well, make a mode for it that fits in 55px height if you're not running in ce, then catalog it :) Sep 07 23:43:38 LOL Sep 07 23:43:42 'you may close this card' Sep 07 23:43:55 I imagined that in the voice of the queen, for some reason :P Sep 07 23:44:10 also I'm guessing it takes a little time to get your position Sep 07 23:45:17 * HaDAk_ uninstalls weather dashboard hd Sep 07 23:45:42 Garrett92C: this icon needs to be changed. Sep 07 23:45:51 ugly doesn't begin to describe it. Sep 07 23:45:52 lol, i was thinking about getting it in the catalog. I'm pretty impatient though and want to release it now free for everyone. :D Sep 07 23:46:11 Garrett92C: i'd pay you for it Sep 07 23:46:13 I just want to show off the cool things LunaCE can do. Sep 07 23:46:13 also, is there a way to not have to close the card myself? and is it daemonized? Sep 07 23:46:24 like weather dashboard hd would launch itself after launch Sep 07 23:46:36 the icon for weather widget? I like it Sep 07 23:46:36 I'm sure there is a way to close it automatically, just couldn't find it. Ideas? Sep 07 23:46:47 Garrettt92C: yeah, I have a repo for that Sep 07 23:46:59 it took a while to find my location. you should have it give some sort of status update while it's finding your location Sep 07 23:47:06 Garrett92C: http://github.com/ShiftyAxel/dynamic-dash-template Sep 07 23:47:08 HaDAk_: Icons are my weakness... Seriously. :/ Sep 07 23:47:13 it's on the API page Sep 07 23:47:15 Garrett92C: no worries Sep 07 23:47:34 ShiftyAxel: we should modify the notification area to allow dynamic icons or text. Sep 07 23:47:42 found my location pretty quick after I turned on location services Sep 07 23:47:44 it would be fking awesome if the icon for this was the current temp outside Sep 07 23:48:03 HaDAk_: that'd be quite a challenge, 24x24px webviews... Sep 07 23:48:06 Garrett92C: is the background based on the current weather? Sep 07 23:48:16 I was playing around with that kind of idea for my Battery Widget. I was going to have the percent as the mini-icon Sep 07 23:48:18 ShiftyAxel: i think it would be amazing Sep 07 23:48:36 ShiftyAxel: or if the widget can replace the icon after being launced, even Sep 07 23:48:46 s/launced/launched/ Sep 07 23:48:46 HaDAk_ meant: ShiftyAxel: or if the widget can replace the icon after being launched, even Sep 07 23:49:15 Garrett92C: your wind icon looks like waves... perhaps a more whispy icon? lemme find an example. Sep 07 23:49:31 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static5.depositphotos.com/1027906/392/v/450/dep_3923620-Wind-icon.jpg&imgrefurl=http://depositphotos.com/3923620/stock-illustration-Wind-icon.html&h=450&w=450&sz=30&tbnid=1Ut4acEHeX8UWM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=90&zoom=1&usg=__CCqy8dphtG0KNsu5Ueb6y7FeJlI=&docid=mFWu14FXn8opHM&sa=X&ei=AohKUK-1Cuat2QWiqoHQBQ&ved=0CCsQ9QEwAw&dur=1849 Sep 07 23:49:43 Maybe they are waves? You're assuming it's wind. jk :P Sep 07 23:49:47 http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-beta&hs=bto&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&biw=1920&bih=929&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=KHYrHJIZtOMkkM:&imgrefurl=http://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/climate/understanding-climate-change-jul07/page4.html&docid=9_ko1Ns1LwAqGM&imgurl=http://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/climate/understanding-climate-change-jul07/images/wind-icon.gif&w=42&h=36&ei=D4hKULr1LKX02QXf Sep 07 23:49:47 soEQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=594&sig=117871367651620407059&page=1&tbnh=36&tbnw=42&start=0&ndsp=53&ved=1t:429,r:13,s:0,i:143&tx=10&ty=5 Sep 07 23:49:51 that linked poorly Sep 07 23:49:58 sorry sorry Sep 07 23:49:59 http://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/climate/understanding-climate-change-jul07/images/wind-icon.gif Sep 07 23:50:00 last one Sep 07 23:50:01 it'd take some implimenting to have the mini icons Sep 07 23:50:01 ~lart HaDAk Sep 07 23:50:01 * WoceBot runs at HaDAk with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut Sep 07 23:50:08 there we go Sep 07 23:50:20 Garrett92C: that last one would be a better choice Sep 07 23:50:32 HaDAk_: tinyurl would also be a better choice Sep 07 23:50:39 ShiftyAxel: sssh Sep 07 23:50:49 HaDAk_: I like it Sep 07 23:50:51 there's a reason we use pastebin and such and don't just splurge it all over the IRC Sep 07 23:51:07 interesting. ipk links in messaging don't appear to be clickable Sep 07 23:53:43 HaDaK_ you should use url shorteners Sep 07 23:55:56 ShiftyAxel: i prefer hugeurl.com Sep 07 23:56:48 ~shorten HaDAk_ Sep 07 23:56:48 * WoceBot feeds HaDAk_ through TinyURL and squashes him down into a 7-character extension Sep 07 23:58:09 http://hugeurl.com/?YTY5YTkzYzAyN2Q4MDQyN2MxN2I2OTQ1MzY2NzZmZjAmMTUmVm0wd2QyUXlVWGxWV0d4V1YwZDRWMVl3WkRSWFJteFZVMjA1VjAxV2JETlhhMk0xVmpGYWMySkVUbGhoTWsweFdWZDRTMk14WkhGUmJGWlhZa2hDVVZacVFtRlpWMDE1VTJ0V1ZXSkhhRzlVVmxaM1ZsWmFkR05GWkZwV01ERTFWVEowVjFaWFNraGhSemxWVmpOT00xcFZXbUZqVmtaMFVteFNUbUY2UlRGV1ZFb3dWakZhV0ZOcmFHaFNlbXhXVm0weGIxSkdXbGRYYlVaclVqRmFTRll5TVRSVk1rcElaSHBHVjJFeVVYZFpla3BIWXpGT2RWVnRhRk5sYlhoWFZtMXdUMVF3TUhoalJscFlZbFZh Sep 07 23:58:09 Y2xWcVFURlNNWEJHVjJ4T1ZXSkdjRlpXYlhSM1ZqSktWVkpZWkZwV1JWcHlWVEJhVDJOc2NFaGpSbEpUVmxoQ1dsWnJXbGRaVjFGNFZHdGtWbUpHV2xSWmJGWmhZMVphZEdSSFJrNVNiRm93V2xWYVQxWlhTbFpYVkVwV1lrWktTRlpxUm1GU2JVbDZXa1prYUdFeGNHOVdha0poVkRKT2RGTnJaRlJpVjNoVVZGY3hiMWRzV1hoYVJGSnBUV3RzTTFSVmFHOVhSMHBJVld4c1dtSkdXbWhaTW5oWFl6RldjbHBHYUdsU00xRjZWakowVTFVeFduSk5XRXBxVWxkNGFGVXdhRU5UUmxweFUydGFiRlpzV2xwWGExcDNWakZLVjJOSWJGZFdSVXBvVmtSS1QyTXlUa1poUjNCVFlrVndWVlp0ZUc5 Sep 07 23:58:10 Uk1XUnpWMjVLV0dKSFVtOVVWbHBYVGxaYVdFNVZPV2hpUlhBd1ZsZDRjMWR0U2tkWGJXaGFUVlp3ZWxreWVHdGtSa3AwWlVaa2FWWnJiekZXYlhCS1RWZEZlRmRZWkU1V1ZscFVXVlJHZDFZeGJISlhhM1JUVW14d2VGVldhRzloTVZwelYycEdWMDF1YUdoWlZXUkdaVWRPUjJKR2FHaE5WbkJ2Vm10U1MxUXlVa2RVYmtwaFVteEtjRlpxVG05WFZscFlZMFU1YVUxWFVraFdNalZUVkd4T1NGVnVUbFpoYTBwNlZHdGFWbVZYVWtoa1IyaFhZWHBXU0ZacVNqUlZNV1IwVTJ0b2FGSnNTbGhVVmxwM1YwWnJlRmRyZEdwaVZrcElWbGQ0YTJGV1NuUlBWRTVYVFc1b1dGbHFTa1psUm1SWldr Sep 07 23:58:15 VTFWMVpzY0ZWWFZsSkhaREZrUjJKSVNtRlNlbXh4V1d0YWQyVkdWWGxrUjBacFVteHdlbFl5ZUhkWFIwVjRZMGhLV2xaWFVrZGFWV1JQVWpKR1IyRkhiRk5pYTBwMlZtMTBVMU14VVhsVmEyUlVZbXR3YUZWdE1XOWpSbHB4VkcwNVYxWnNjRWhYVkU1dllWVXhjMU51Y0ZkTmFsWlVWa2Q0YTFOR1ZuTlhiRlpYVFRGS05sWkhlR0ZXTWxKSVZXdG9hMUp0VWs5WlZFNURUbFphU0dWSFJtcE5WMUl3VlRKMGIyRkdTbk5UYkdoVlZsWndNMVpyV21GalZrcDFXa1pPVGxacmNEVldSM2hoVkRKR1dGSllaR3BTVjNoWVdXeG9RMVJHVW5KWGJFcHNVbTFTZWxsVldsTmhWa3AxVVc1b1YxWXph Sep 07 23:58:20 SEpXVkVaelZqRldjMWRzYUdsV1ZuQlFWa1phWVdReVZrZFdXR3hyVWtWS1YxUlZVa2RsVmxKelZtNWtWMDFFUm5oVmJYUnZWakZhUmxkcmVGZE5WbkJJV1RJeFMxSXhjRWRhUlRWT1VsaENTMVp0TVRCVk1VMTRWbGhvV0ZkSGFHaFZNRnBoVm14c2NsZHJkR3BTYkhCNFZUSXdOV0pIU2toVmJHeGhWbGROTVZsV1ZYaGpiVXBGVld4a1RtRnNXbFZXYTJRMFlURk9SMVp1VGxoaVJscFlXV3RvUTFkV1draGtS Sep 07 23:58:26 there's your tiny url. Sep 07 23:58:28 * HaDAk_ blows raspberries at ShiftyAxel Sep 07 23:58:42 ok. i'll stop. Sep 07 23:58:43 :P Sep 07 23:58:52 ~lart HaDAk_ Sep 07 23:58:52 * WoceBot sends a legion of lawyers after HaDAk_'s head Sep 07 23:58:55 Garrett92C: :o I just saw your dashboard weather widget. I WANT!!!!!! NAO! Sep 07 23:58:58 :D Sep 07 23:59:19 HaDAk: I'm sure ka6sox-away would be happy to tempban you if you start spamming the channel... Sep 07 23:59:26 ... Sep 07 23:59:38 ShiftyAxel: i'm sure ka6sox-away has a sense of humor :P Sep 07 23:59:39 BANHAMMER TIME!!!! Sep 07 23:59:55 I'm surprised scoutcamper|away didn't un-away specifically for it Sep 07 23:59:56 i digress. i've been invited to drink moonshine while watching breaking bad and eating popcorn. Sep 08 00:00:10 yes, he finds stupid lusers funny ;) Sep 08 00:00:10 i am going to go get shitfaced. Sep 08 00:00:15 you go have fun :P Sep 08 00:00:32 Donald, I posted an ipk link earlier. Just fixing some icons right now. :) Sep 08 00:01:11 Garrett92C: I just saw that. :) Thanks! Sep 08 00:01:34 ~OT Sep 08 00:01:42 Colloquy crashed and I forgot to restart it. So I am reading the logs online for convenience (it will load a few days of logs on my computer). Sep 08 00:02:15 ~ot Sep 08 00:02:15 * WoceBot spider-man's driving the mystery machine. Thread derailed. Sep 08 00:02:49 Gentlemen, how is this? http://webos.choorp.org/projects/WeatherWidget-preview1.png Sep 08 00:04:22 hi all. 4.8.0 won't uninstall or upgrade for me. Sep 08 00:04:43 Garrett92C: Nice! Sep 08 00:06:02 ~lart HaDak Sep 08 00:06:02 * WoceBot nabs the moon and broadsides HaDak with the sea of tranquility Sep 08 00:06:43 Garrett92C: opinion: the green at the bottom doesn't look right. it took me a while to figure out it was the ground, and not a weird error. Sep 08 00:07:43 ~winnar ka6sox Sep 08 00:07:43 * WoceBot crowns ka6sox the Winnar, Huzzah! Sep 08 00:08:22 panda-z1: i'm not seeing anything obvious inbetween this qt tag and the prior, that would cause weird errors like that Sep 08 00:10:39 EricBlade: Maybe a more hilly ground? Sep 08 00:11:15 much nicer Sep 08 00:11:22 panda-z1: i may have improperly applied that sed to palm-desktop-configure Sep 08 00:11:48 cd Sep 08 00:13:50 EricBlade: currently i'm trying to build OE version on x64, the computer is full-loaded Sep 08 00:14:44 will someone please walk me through the steps for removing lunace without preware? Sep 08 00:15:24 EricBlade: do you use tarballs from git or just cd to the git clone directory? Sep 08 00:15:36 panda-z: hmm. looks like i did something wrong with applying that hunk of build-desktop.sh that caused the palm-desktop-configure changes to fail Sep 08 00:15:37 4.8.0 stuck, won't update or remove Sep 08 00:16:52 or not, it's still blowing up after making that change Sep 08 00:17:20 oh, it overwrote it again Sep 08 00:17:40 EricBlade: How's this? http://webos.choorp.org/projects/WeatherWidget-preview2.png Sep 08 00:17:55 oooooh yeah Sep 08 00:18:13 that's beautiful Sep 08 00:18:31 I like making good-looking stuff. :D Sep 08 00:19:53 Garrett92C: that's fantastic Sep 08 00:20:15 that does look better. Sep 08 00:21:26 k4ever: are you still having issues with 4.8.0? Sep 08 00:21:35 I can help you if yes Sep 08 00:21:45 yes Sep 08 00:21:52 I'll take it to PM Sep 08 00:23:11 LarrySteeze, 4.8.0 is deprecated.... Sep 08 00:23:59 it's all about the 4.9.0 now Sep 08 00:24:16 * ka6sox-away can't wait for 4.299.99 Sep 08 00:25:23 bbl Sep 08 00:25:32 panda-z: ok, yeah, i don't know what on earth i've done wrong, but i can't get that portion of the script to run .. so.. not sure. will investigate it further when i get home, have to run out now Sep 08 00:26:05 ka6sox-away and ShiftyAxel: I realize this. I'm trying to help k4ever remove/update Sep 08 00:26:49 k Sep 08 00:29:25 It's been tweeted. :) https://twitter.com/Choorp/status/244230678202421248 Sep 08 00:29:48 EricBlade: Is there a way to build desktop by just applying the updates (took me hours to start from scratch last time)? Sep 08 00:29:57 Garrett92C: win, retweeted. thanks for remembering the hashtag! :D Sep 08 00:30:46 Garrett92C: what service do you utilize? Sep 08 00:30:51 LarrySteeze: script was ran successfully. touchpad booting up Sep 08 00:31:31 I used Yahoo Weather. Was actually the best I could find for this specific usage Sep 08 00:31:46 great! Sep 08 00:32:52 LarrySteeze: cool! upgraded me to 4.9.0 Sep 08 00:34:05 yep! Sep 08 00:37:21 EricBlade: If you were serious about "I'd pay for that", I included a donate link in the forum post. ;) lol Sep 08 00:37:48 Garrett92C: RT'd Sep 08 00:40:24 rwhitby: Thanks, Rod! Sep 08 00:41:18 Hold on, I'll get it RT'd from webos-ports too Sep 08 00:42:12 Garrett92C: RT'd as well Sep 08 00:43:40 Thanks for all the RT love, fellas. Sep 08 00:44:04 Garrett92C: what you made is totally worth RTing :D Sep 08 00:44:17 Garrett92C: you still didn't answer :P What weather service do you call for your data? Sep 08 00:44:23 and a perfect example of how the dynamic dash API can make awesome widgets Sep 08 00:44:35 huzzah I say Sep 08 00:44:38 I use Yahoo Weather. Sep 08 00:44:40 ah Sep 08 00:44:55 hell yea, ShiftyAxel. I wanted to show off what it could do. :D Sep 08 00:45:08 and you did so admirably :D Sep 08 00:45:33 I'd get it in preware or the app cat asap Sep 08 00:46:31 It'll definitely make it's way to Preware. Hopefully AppCat too (I'm broke. lol) Sep 08 00:56:03 knife + pool = fun Sep 08 00:56:47 Garret92C: thank you, by the way, for jumping into the deep end and playing with it! Sep 08 00:56:55 I just uploaded Weather widget to Github under the Apache License v2.0. https://github.com/Choorp/WeatherWidget Sep 08 00:57:07 nice! Sep 08 00:59:04 I'm heading to bed Sep 08 00:59:05 nn all Sep 08 01:00:42 night man Sep 08 01:09:18 ~lart ShiftyAxel Sep 08 01:09:18 * WoceBot stuffs ShiftyAxel into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it Sep 08 01:09:26 ~gzip ShiftyAxel Sep 08 01:09:27 * WoceBot compresses ShiftyAxel into a .tar.gz and uploads him to Github Sep 08 01:09:37 wow, ShiftyAxel gets pretty compact Sep 08 01:11:29 lol Sep 08 01:12:08 ~azathoth Sep 08 01:12:33 have fun dealing with a giant exploding god Sep 08 01:12:42 ~sleep ShiftyAxel Sep 08 01:12:42 * WoceBot uses the banhammer to put ShiftyAxel to sleep for the next 12 hours Sep 08 01:14:43 Garrett92C: i pulled your widget. how do i install it? Sep 08 01:15:14 ~sleep LarrySteeze Sep 08 01:15:14 * WoceBot uses the banhammer to put LarrySteeze to sleep for the next 12 hours Sep 08 01:20:25 k4ever: You'll need to package it up into an ipk to install. Or just download my already packaged ipk: http://webos.choorp.org/download/com.choorp.weather-widget_1.0.0_all.ipk Sep 08 01:21:11 thanks for the link! Sep 08 01:50:25 * EricBlade-TP returns Sep 08 01:55:29 ~lart fxspec06 Sep 08 01:55:29 * WoceBot whacks fxspec06 with a giant beaver's tail Sep 08 02:01:35 anyone here able to read any asian languages? I think this one is Japanese (kanji?) But I'm not positive Sep 08 02:02:06 * panda-z can Sep 08 02:02:39 panda-z: which character sets? Sep 08 02:02:59 where? Sep 08 02:03:28 I'll take i to PM Sep 08 02:06:29 Garrett92C: how often does that weather dash update Sep 08 02:09:35 EricBlade-TP: Location and weather data update when you open it. Sep 08 02:09:52 nice Sep 08 02:10:04 I should clarify, they update when the dash is activated. Sep 08 02:10:41 which should be any time the dashboard container is opened right? Sep 08 02:10:57 ~lart +LarrySteeze Sep 08 02:10:57 * WoceBot gives +LarrySteeze a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" Sep 08 02:10:57 Yes, correct. Sep 08 02:11:12 * fxspec06 pwn3d Sep 08 02:11:20 uh Sep 08 02:11:25 my name does not have a + in it Sep 08 02:11:28 It should also update when the screen is turned on. Do I get those event without a com.palm domain? Sep 08 02:11:49 if that is the case, then why did mirc auto complete it Sep 08 02:12:08 well, likely because I am voiced Sep 08 02:12:27 ah, i never understood what those symbols meant. Sep 08 02:12:29 org members (committers) are voiced in this channel Sep 08 02:12:30 Garrett I dunno .. Sep 08 02:12:49 I've tried to devoice myself mutiple times. chanserv will have none of it :-( Sep 08 02:12:49 oh.. I'm a member! Sep 08 02:13:03 o.o Sep 08 02:13:29 EricBlade-TP: people who send commits on github is different from committers :P Sep 08 02:13:37 but I'd love for you to be a committer! Sep 08 02:13:59 if you had a group of people who committed at the same time, would that be a committee? o.O Sep 08 02:15:05 I could probably be committed Sep 08 02:52:38 So, anyone have ideas for other dashboard widgets? Sep 08 02:54:03 RSS Sep 08 02:58:32 album art Sep 08 02:58:50 or just a simple picture slideshow Sep 08 02:59:41 you could even use my fx.Fader kind for transitions **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 08 02:59:58 2012