**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 12 02:59:59 2012 Sep 12 03:01:04 hey Sep 12 03:01:32 ya no file uploads in the browser (MUST BE FIXED) :) Sep 12 03:02:00 how long you had a Touchpad and didn't know that HaDAk-TP ? Sep 12 03:02:32 I guess I've just not tried in long enough that I forgot. Sep 12 03:02:38 * Grabber5_0 is kidding Sep 12 03:03:46 exciting. Got my written offer letter tonight. its true and happening! woo! Sep 12 03:03:55 what about you, EricBlade-TP ? Sep 12 03:04:14 congrats HaDAk-TP Sep 12 03:04:58 HaDAk-TP: was filling out my paperwork today Sep 12 03:05:13 you got it?! Sep 12 03:05:27 as long as background stuff goesthru Sep 12 03:05:48 congratulations! ...are you allowed to say where yet? Sep 12 03:05:57 no Sep 12 03:06:02 :'( Sep 12 03:06:20 when is the start date? Sep 12 03:06:34 hey I like the fixed keyboard selector but it doesn't work so well in xtra-small layout Sep 12 03:06:49 HaDAk-TP: next week if everything goes smooth Sep 12 03:07:05 sweet Sep 12 03:07:23 I start two weeks from yesterday Sep 12 03:07:53 I can't wait to hit the resign button at my current gig lol Sep 12 03:08:09 lol Sep 12 03:08:22 I slammed my fist on that last wed Sep 12 03:08:40 I am so done with direct to customer sales. I need at least a multi year break from that Sep 12 03:09:06 * Grabber_Pre2 couldn't do it Sep 12 03:09:11 I literally have a "resign" button on my employee site at that job Sep 12 03:09:31 no shit? Sep 12 03:09:51 I want a button. Sep 12 03:12:28 yeah I hit it on accident once, discovered there was no confirmation dialog. that was a mess Sep 12 03:12:34 there's a confirmation box now Sep 12 03:14:06 lol Sep 12 03:14:46 lol Sep 12 03:15:02 I can't wait to get on it Sep 12 03:15:14 they even promised me a cube all to myself. lol Sep 12 03:15:30 man, legal papers are wordy. no wonder lawyers are expensive. Sep 12 03:16:57 true Sep 12 03:24:23 Grabber_Pre2: just got your pm. lucky I noticed it ^^ Sep 12 03:25:10 HaDAk-TP: not surprised Sep 12 03:25:31 I'm not super active there Sep 12 03:25:33 lol Sep 12 03:26:03 made me surprised you were writing a patch Sep 12 03:26:32 :) Sep 12 03:26:56 so, it was a conflicting patch, afterall? Sep 12 03:27:57 oh wait Sep 12 03:28:12 I'm getting two things mixed up in my head Sep 12 03:28:51 if you get your mod finished, submit a pull request Sep 12 03:29:12 HaDAk-TP, what kind of Job? Sep 12 03:29:42 ka6sox: ddos mitigation for enterprise class networks and isps Sep 12 03:37:22 sleepy time. Sep 12 03:39:15 OMG..they are Multiplying!!!!!! Sep 12 03:40:46 hahha Sep 12 03:41:32 that's what happens when you have IRC open and you update virtualbox... Sep 12 03:46:13 rrright Sep 12 03:47:18 LPX-2E-HW vs LPX-3E-HW 1.71kW vs 1.24kW Sep 12 03:47:23 hmm Sep 12 03:48:52 invalidopcode, I'm here Sep 12 03:49:15 (when I'm not doing paste fails) Sep 12 03:49:59 ka6sox: okay cool Sep 12 03:50:42 ka6sox: I was just wondering if you knew of any good resources for FPGA development? Sep 12 03:50:50 books, websites, etc Sep 12 03:53:04 opencores.org Sep 12 03:54:16 sorry, I'm trying to work as well... Sep 12 03:54:31 they have things backwards and I need to sort this out before it gets too far gone... Sep 12 03:55:17 haha its okay, I'm working on homework as well Sep 12 03:56:05 VHDL/Verilog are easy languages to learn... Sep 12 03:56:27 whats hard is wrapping your head around as many things happening at once and how they interact. Sep 12 03:57:41 ah okay... I'm currently reading a book called "Digital Design and Computer Architexture" and I'm currently at the part about boolean algebra and its pretty interested Sep 12 03:58:14 does lunace have the ability to make the OS feel faster? Sep 12 03:58:40 going back to webOS makes the slowness of webOS really noticeable. I assume it's related to the js engine? Sep 12 03:59:04 s/going back to webOS/going to iOS/ Sep 12 03:59:05 summatusmentis meant: going to iOS makes the slowness of webOS really noticeable. I assume it's related to the js engine? Sep 12 04:00:17 I would say so. JavaScript doesn't multi-task very well IMO Sep 12 04:01:20 I do love it, but I am not blind to its weaknesses Sep 12 04:03:02 I didn't notice it when I was using a pre2, but it's really noticeable going back to it Sep 12 04:07:51 at times it is frustrating. the overclocking kernels made a huge diff on my Pre (which I switched back to from an EVO 3D after 8 months) Sep 12 04:08:08 this is primarily a dev device Sep 12 04:12:54 yeah, I was overclocking on my pre as well Sep 12 04:12:59 and on the TP, as it happens Sep 12 04:14:22 I've not done it on the TP and I'm not sure I've done it on here Sep 12 04:16:13 are we talking seconds here, minutes, or MilliSeconds differences in speeds? Sep 12 04:17:04 ka6sox: µSeconds Sep 12 04:17:14 for same operations? Sep 12 04:18:12 loading the Forums app, several seconds difference Sep 12 04:18:57 is that the *same* application on both? Sep 12 04:23:07 but every time I use android I go... ugh this is so slow Sep 12 04:23:19 same app, stock vs 1ghz Sep 12 04:26:34 I suspect it is partially due to setup time for the Jail Sep 12 05:06:46 Hey all-- I noticed the logo looks a bit wonky (color-wise) with the gray installation bar and the gray background of the launcher. I can change the color or and outer shading as needed. Just let me know (appstache@me.com) Sep 12 05:07:29 Appstache, hiya... Sep 12 05:07:57 a little more contrast would help probalby Sep 12 05:07:59 Hey. Sep 12 05:08:47 It's whatever you want. It doesn't help very much being nearly the same shade as the launcher background. Any color opinions from you, sir? Sep 12 05:09:52 hmmm Sep 12 05:42:43 hey all Sep 12 05:42:55 Hey you. Sep 12 05:43:04 How's it goin ka6sox? Sep 12 05:43:36 * invalidopcode hids from PatrickC Sep 12 05:43:58 PatrickC, incredibly tiring and wonderful at the same time... Sep 12 05:44:58 invalidopcode: you can't hid from me Sep 12 05:45:00 ka6sox: nice Sep 12 05:45:21 I can if I want to Sep 12 05:45:37 maybe I hid under my hud Sep 12 05:45:51 * PatrickC pulls out the all-knowing android phone and uses the Google Goggles to find invalidopcode Sep 12 05:46:29 * invalidopcode waves his binges into inivisibility Sep 12 05:48:36 that didn't make any sense... Sep 12 05:48:45 lol Sep 12 05:48:53 none at all... Sep 12 05:49:29 maybe it was my intention to confuse you while I make my getaway.... Sep 12 05:50:54 webOS maybe SLOW...but its faster than Android! Sep 12 05:50:55 :D Sep 12 05:51:04 ka6sox: sometimes, yes :) Sep 12 05:51:11 PatrickC: my Raspberry Pi is coming tomorrow! Sep 12 05:51:12 can't wait to run webOS on Android HW Sep 12 05:51:29 * ka6sox grumbles... Sep 12 05:51:46 ka6sox: why? Sep 12 05:51:52 never heard of that invalidopcode Sep 12 05:52:09 *cough* Sep 12 05:52:10 PatrickC: have you been living under a rock? Sep 12 05:52:15 yes, yes i have Sep 12 05:52:21 okay good to know Sep 12 05:52:48 ka6sox: you okay? Sep 12 05:53:14 256MB RAM??? :P Sep 12 05:53:54 * ka6sox coughs again... Sep 12 05:53:59 invalidopcode, he is alergic to the ras-pi. Sep 12 05:54:07 I see that Sep 12 05:54:16 PatrickC: move to DM Sep 12 06:02:51 can't i just like... bitbang it from a wav file? <<< why use HARDWARE on the device...lets let the CPU handle this...(from #raspberrypi) Sep 12 06:03:34 a good reason to have a hairball when I see this form of craziness. Sep 12 06:12:22 good morning again Sep 12 06:12:31 hey EricBlade Sep 12 06:13:46 good morning EricBlade Sep 12 06:14:21 EricBlade: apparently windows 8 likes your face, you kept showing up on the People live tile on it Sep 12 06:33:30 okay night all Sep 12 06:40:08 hmm. what's a MACHINE_PYRAMID ? Sep 12 06:40:22 was that the device we were talking about a few weeks ago? Sep 12 06:41:13 EricBlade: i think it is htc pyramid Sep 12 06:41:24 ah yeah that is the one we were talking about then Sep 12 07:16:56 morning Sep 12 07:17:05 morn Sep 12 07:18:23 morning Sep 12 07:18:39 what's new? Sep 12 07:18:49 LunaCE is shaping up great! Sep 12 07:19:02 ya, I hope we can get to stable soon... Sep 12 07:19:06 feature freeze now... Sep 12 07:19:24 Stskeeps, how is the Android Driver wrapper project coming? Sep 12 07:24:00 quite good Sep 12 07:24:06 sensors have been proven now too Sep 12 07:25:34 so is it ready for prime time? Sep 12 07:25:48 (or at least to play with on a real device?) Sep 12 07:45:11 Stskeeps, ^^ Sep 12 07:48:18 it'll take a while to be for prime time Sep 12 07:48:48 but it runs on both touchpad and omap4 Sep 12 07:51:23 how much of the OMAP4? Sep 12 07:51:43 ie does it cover 3D video drivers? Sep 12 07:57:41 yeah, it was demoed on 3d video Sep 12 07:58:31 using gstreamer or something else? Sep 12 08:04:09 oh, gpu i meant Sep 12 08:05:07 ah, okay Sep 12 08:05:48 did you use the released Android Kernel for the TP to make it work for the TP? Sep 12 08:29:58 I really hope to get the outstanding bugs squashed so we can get to Stable in a couple of weeks. Sep 12 09:48:26 weeks? it took us months just to create the bugs! Sep 12 09:49:34 ka6sox: android t kernel Sep 12 10:48:51 EricBlade, okay say Mid-October? Sep 12 10:49:08 Stskeeps, interesting. Sep 12 14:13:31 Ithink i know why i was getting egl errors Sep 12 14:13:48 vfp breaks qt4, so i commented out the vfp feature file Sep 12 14:53:16 morning all Sep 12 14:54:04 Morning Sep 12 14:55:03 what's the word? Sep 12 15:04:41 howdy, I have problem that my webos doesnt show up with novacom Sep 12 15:04:51 Im using arch linux and installed novacom from AUR Sep 12 15:05:17 and novacomd is running, on recovery it shows up as "usb topaz-bootie" Sep 12 15:05:36 but when running on os I get some usb errors, I think Sep 12 15:07:50 haha, of course after joining this channel it starts to work Sep 12 15:07:56 tabasko_: what platform are you running OWO on? Sep 12 15:08:04 aha, alright :P Sep 12 15:08:11 hmm, whats OWO? Sep 12 15:08:27 ~owo is openwebos Sep 12 15:08:28 okay, scoutcamper Sep 12 15:09:10 ShiftyAxel: I think booting once to Recovery made a trick. I had something odd going on with usb storage Sep 12 15:09:38 ah, you're referring to 3.0.5/LunaCE, I see Sep 12 15:09:44 sorry, I'm pre-coffee :P Sep 12 15:10:08 I was doing this: Sep 12 15:10:09 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_Build_Instructions Sep 12 15:10:31 I tought woce is latest thing to fet for touchpad, right? Sep 12 15:10:41 for building/developing, ya Sep 12 15:10:55 or can I put openwebos on this? :) Sep 12 15:11:12 'fraid not Sep 12 15:18:22 tabasko_: so what are you aiming to do? Sep 12 15:18:32 contribute an awesome new feature? :) Sep 12 15:20:40 haha, not with my skills yet :P Sep 12 15:21:00 Im searching for swedish keyboard Sep 12 15:21:56 goanna modify it? Sep 12 15:22:13 * Aardvarkeng sends ShiftyAxel a hot cup of coffee Sep 12 15:22:45 tabasko_: it's located in LunaSysMgr/Src/ime/tabletkeymaps Sep 12 15:23:01 * ShiftyAxel waits for the UPS man Sep 12 15:31:29 ShiftyAxel: I think someone has already done it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZybrMUIQwmE&feature=related Sep 12 15:31:54 I can confirm that there is already a swedish keyboard, yes Sep 12 15:32:39 should it be on preware repos? Sep 12 15:33:01 it's built into LunaCE Sep 12 15:33:21 which is currently in the beta feeds Sep 12 20:29:05 good morning all Sep 12 20:34:49 mornin EricBlade Sep 12 21:32:44 curious... with all the new gestures and features in LunaCE, how many of them work with a bt keyboard? Sep 12 21:34:55 none? Sep 12 21:37:03 none, they were build with a touchscreen in mind Sep 12 21:46:49 ~lart non-BT safe gestures Sep 12 21:46:49 * WoceBot DoSes non-BT safe gestures Sep 12 21:47:21 RagingMind, you feel like regressing this? Sep 12 21:47:43 and writing up bug reports so we don't go to "stable" without fixing this? Sep 12 21:53:48 it would give me something to do... Sep 12 21:59:10 it would be valuable to the project.. Sep 12 21:59:19 is there a list of new features? Sep 12 22:02:55 it should be in the changelog for the app. Sep 12 22:03:07 * ka6sox-away points to ShiftyAxel Sep 12 22:04:07 RagingMind, this is something that completely slipped my mind... Sep 12 22:06:46 << 1 armed cat-herder Sep 12 22:10:19 folks Sep 12 22:12:00 RagingMind: it's in preware and the app icon in your launcher Sep 12 22:29:36 i am confused- what is a bt kbd supposed to do with gestures? i haven't had any problem Sep 12 22:31:09 lagoldste, ... and *features* Sep 12 22:31:42 i haven't had any problems with the new features, either Sep 12 22:32:39 one of the best things about the 3.0.5 update is that you could do most of your card navigating from the keyboard. I was just wondering if it still worked with all the new card stuff Sep 12 22:32:52 oh- yes Sep 12 22:33:01 works just fine Sep 12 22:33:24 has all along Sep 12 22:33:56 i'd have said something otherwise, since i use a bt kbd all the time. i haven't had a specialty key not work Sep 12 22:34:38 some OSKs do have issues.. Sep 12 22:35:29 OSK? Sep 12 22:35:50 on-screen keyboard Sep 12 22:36:06 ah. yes, true. i've seen that Sep 12 22:37:02 HP bt kbd works just fine. other bt kbds may have problems (i bought this one because the bt kbd we had at home didn't work well with my new TP last year) Sep 12 22:37:28 is this a "REAL" webOS keyboard? Sep 12 22:38:42 oh, Sep 12 22:38:50 * ka6sox-away rereads and gets new glasses. Sep 12 22:40:03 * lagoldste grins Sep 12 22:40:50 * lagoldste double checks the "hp" on the underside and ducks Sep 12 22:42:49 all this on 3hrs of interrupted sleep Sep 12 22:43:25 understood. btdt Sep 12 22:43:37 can anyone verify that the following bugs are Dead and buried: Sep 12 22:43:42 what already existed will work just fine w/keyboard, the new stuff like stack tabs etc doesn't have a method for triggering w/keybiard Sep 12 22:43:54 http://issues.webos-ports.org/projects/luna-sysmgr/issues Sep 12 22:43:59 anything marked "resolved"? Sep 12 22:44:10 * lagoldste nods at ShiftyAxel , 'i didn't even try Sep 12 22:44:30 ShiftyAxel, how about infinite card recycle? Sep 12 22:44:33 hm. maybe ctrl-tab? Sep 12 22:44:38 that works Sep 12 22:44:50 card cycling always works, and infinite works too Sep 12 22:44:56 oh duh...right Sep 12 22:45:02 ya, those are extensions of existing functionality Sep 12 22:45:14 the 100% new stuff probably doesn't have a keyboard mapping Sep 12 22:45:58 ShiftyAxel: how about new feature- ctrl-tab to trigger & select tabbed mode? Sep 12 22:46:18 pull request? Sep 12 22:46:39 i haven't written s/w in 20 years now ;) Sep 12 22:46:47 just making a suggestion Sep 12 22:47:14 for something that sounds like a logical choice to me Sep 12 22:49:52 * ka6sox-away would like to close a whole lot of bugs if they don't exist anymore. Sep 12 22:50:05 yeah, we need confirmation Sep 13 01:51:10 bedtime, nn all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 13 03:00:00 2012