**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 13 03:00:01 2012 Sep 13 10:20:58 ShiftyAxel: awake yet? Sep 13 10:38:52 anyone else awake? Sep 13 12:29:06 EricBlade-TP: I am now, what seems to be the nature of the medical emergency? Sep 13 15:01:22 morning Sep 13 15:01:30 morning bluen Sep 13 15:01:38 mornin Sep 13 15:01:46 hey Garrett92C Sep 13 15:01:50 finally in FL :P Sep 13 15:02:03 nice! Sep 13 15:02:47 PatrickC and Garrett92C have you looked at owo desktop build? seems to be some new changes and also new script for incremental rebuild Sep 13 15:03:15 bluen: don't have an env to build it on right now :S Sep 13 15:03:53 bluen: No, haven't had a chance to yet. Been too busy woorking on Dash Weather (for some reason) Sep 13 15:06:36 it sounds like we can git clone the repository and then we run incremental build script now. or maybe just git pull since we are getting changes, I might try the git pull. Sep 13 15:08:15 Also HP has added yet more webos jobs, now up to 41 (started at 21 and has gradually climbed) Sep 13 15:33:13 hi, how can I install the latest LunaCE beta from preware pls? I have already enabled the alpha and beta feeds but the latest version of LunaCE I see is 4.3.5 :( Sep 13 15:44:13 bump Sep 13 15:55:51 I got it... never mind Sep 13 16:20:41 morning Sep 13 16:32:21 morning ka6sox Sep 13 16:34:38 yes, it is Morning(still) :D Sep 13 18:30:56 ShiftyAxel: email? Sep 13 18:31:15 EricBlade: eh? Sep 13 18:31:43 i couldn't remember if i had you in my email book i was going to send in screenshots as you asked for, and my usb doesn't seem to be wanting to work Sep 13 18:32:49 aha, I see, cool Sep 13 18:32:50 PM'd Sep 13 18:35:47 that's really, really strange... Sep 13 18:35:58 I coded it specifically so that the maximum scale was 1.35 Sep 13 18:36:13 you don't happen to have any 'bigger cards' patches installed or anything like that do you? Sep 13 18:36:31 (1.35 being just below the Just Type bar) Sep 13 18:57:18 EricBlade, http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/39 Sep 13 18:57:21 still an issue? Sep 13 19:34:50 ShiftyAxel|Away: i have no patches that affect card sizes Sep 13 19:37:22 ka6sox: i'm not really sure. i haven't noticed it in a while, but i'm also not sure what uses it. i'll turn on facebook notifications, i seem to recall that was a trigger for it Sep 13 19:37:33 it might have been fixed in CE when we got it Sep 13 19:38:20 so can I close it as no-one else has complained? Sep 13 19:39:19 I can't remember the last time I saw a corrupt notification icon even before ce Sep 13 19:40:06 question about the card pinch zoom Sep 13 19:41:22 Grabber5_0: i'm almost positive it was not fixed in 3.0.5, although i know in 3.0.4 it was tweaked Sep 13 19:42:29 I know you're hanging on the edge of your seat waiting for that question aren't ya? :-P Sep 13 19:42:52 ShiftyAxel: "There is a tweak setting for the wave launcher. It's in Tweaks. Labeled 'Wave Launcher'." .. surely, you jest! Sep 13 19:43:06 just making it nice and clear :) Sep 13 19:43:11 trying to make sure I asked it right I got a bit confused Sep 13 19:43:29 Grabber5_0: what be this question? Sep 13 19:44:00 EricBlade, can you close #39? Sep 13 19:44:22 so different question first: when does Luna remember the card state, normal or small, when you maximize an app then switch back to card view? Sep 13 19:44:40 folks Sep 13 19:44:46 basically it uses two values, standard and custom Sep 13 19:44:53 standard is the normal card scaling Sep 13 19:44:53 strike that first when .. the question was just "does" Sep 13 19:45:12 custom is the value set by the pinch zoom Sep 13 19:45:23 and tapping on the wallpaper toggles between the two Sep 13 19:45:45 do you think there's a more logical/obvious-to-the-user way it could be done? Sep 13 19:45:50 wait isn't there a third value? the default mini-card size? Sep 13 19:46:13 because even before pinch zoom, the mini cards were back Sep 13 19:46:50 I need to get my BT keyboard or I'll never finish this :-) Sep 13 19:47:53 I guess the best way to ask that question is, does it go back to the 'normal' card size every time you switch to card view from an app? Sep 13 19:48:48 so tapping the wallpaper the first time would always go to the mini-cards Sep 13 19:49:19 or does it remember the state, so if you activate a card, then go back to card view, does it remember if you were in standard card mode or mini-card mode? Sep 13 19:49:45 I think that made more sense that way :) Sep 13 19:51:06 now I can't decide if it even matters anymore Sep 13 19:54:41 nevermind.. I think I was over-thinking it. It seems to work fine.. $ Sep 13 19:55:10 oho, i see Sep 13 19:55:22 it'll zoom back to whatever state you had it in when you were minimized Sep 13 19:55:30 and it's at the mini card scale by default Sep 13 19:56:34 I was resizing the cards in both modes and got myself very confused so I couldn't tell what 'normal' was anymore Sep 13 19:56:54 I was just exercising the code trying to break it Sep 13 19:56:57 lol, well it'll always go back to normal if you're not on it when you tap Sep 13 19:56:59 hehe Sep 13 20:01:55 I was questioning my sanity for a while Sep 13 20:02:16 who needs that? :P Sep 13 20:03:05 I did make the wave launcher do something weird earlier.. I need to try to recreate it Sep 13 20:03:15 EricBlade, Grabber5_0: any chance one of you guys can help us verify the bugs on issues.webos-ports.org? Sep 13 20:03:24 I let go of it and it didn't go all the way back down Sep 13 20:03:40 ShiftyAxel: there are bugs on issues.webos-ports.org, yes. Sep 13 20:03:45 we need someone else to confirm the resolved ones so we can close Sep 13 20:03:58 the open ones or resolved ones? I went through some of them a day or so ago when I saw it mentioned in here Sep 13 20:04:06 of course I don't remember which ones :) Sep 13 20:04:22 the resolved ones Sep 13 20:04:29 resolved (and open ones that may not be a real issue anymore) Sep 13 20:04:38 EricBlade, heh Sep 13 20:04:44 if you can try to reproduce them and confirm that they're fixed/nonissue, we can close them and tidy things up Sep 13 20:05:46 next time I see lagoste I'll ask for a bug report to be filed so we can fix that one before stable. Sep 13 20:06:58 im sort of involved with trying to book a flight at the moment .. i'll get back to you Sep 13 20:08:17 so resolved != closed then Sep 13 20:08:29 (I know that is typical, just making sure :) ) Sep 13 20:09:37 Can someone fix the bug tracker link at the top of the channel? It has an extra http: in it Sep 13 20:10:29 * ShiftyAxel lacks the required privileges Sep 13 20:11:54 you want individual bug#'s in here or somewhere else Sep 13 20:12:13 in here will be fine Sep 13 20:12:32 Confirmed #145 Sep 13 20:13:04 I do wonder if the another way to cancel can be added since it's on the left and right edges.. my file a suggestion :) Sep 13 20:13:27 my insanity speaking up again, ignore him Sep 13 20:13:57 145 is indeed confirmed though.. that was me Sep 13 20:15:16 147 confirmed. was very annoying bug until wave was moved to L and R edges Sep 13 20:15:48 same for 149 Sep 13 20:16:57 143 confirmed Sep 13 20:17:21 did make me remember the oddity I discovered earlier though Sep 13 20:17:36 will you try to recreate before I open a bug for it? Sep 13 20:19:07 argh I thought I had a consistently repeatable trigger Sep 13 20:19:09 nevermind Sep 13 20:20:12 sometimes if I take my finger off the edge of the screen while the wave launcher is up, the right end pops back up and sits there after the launcher opens. I did it several times in a row then it quit Sep 13 20:20:13 grr Sep 13 20:20:55 141 Confirmed (I saw a question on it earlier, but I can't make them too big) Sep 13 20:21:42 131 I never saw occur Sep 13 20:22:19 oh wait that's talking about full screen apps specifically.. not sure I have any Sep 13 20:27:09 Grabber5_0, confirmed as in confirmed resolved or still there? Sep 13 20:27:39 Grabber5_0 try Quake from Preware for fullscreen apps Sep 13 20:27:42 sorry, I was using confirmed=confirmed resolved Sep 13 20:27:59 that's a SDL app not a PDK app right? Sep 13 20:28:30 didn't know it ran on the Touchpad.. bet it's a lot easier than it was on the phone! Sep 13 20:28:59 * Grabber5_0 downloads Quake Sep 13 20:29:11 lol, well there's no keyboard unless you go BT Sep 13 20:29:19 which makes aiming a faff Sep 13 20:29:26 and yes, it's SDL, still fullscreen though Sep 13 20:30:15 I just saw in the release notes it was converted to PDK in 1.3.0 Sep 13 20:30:29 using my BT keyboard now.. don't remember how to do anything :D Sep 13 20:31:18 you're making me want to play quake now :P Sep 13 20:37:10 keyboard controls were not working... prob needed to turn them on Sep 13 20:37:29 no issues switching away/to using gestures Sep 13 20:37:40 brb' Sep 13 20:42:52 sweet Sep 13 21:04:06 hi Sep 13 21:05:27 did anyone of you try to build Open webOS on Gentoo (amd64) instead of the officially supported 32bit Ubuntu? If so, do you have an overlay with ebuilds available? Sep 13 21:07:38 ah, I just found out there's also #openwebos … maybe it's better to ask there Sep 13 21:11:47 eliasp_, maybe... Sep 13 21:11:52 I'm sure someone has tried. Sep 13 21:14:21 googled quite a bit for it yet but couldn't find anything yet… as long as I want to build it using proper ebuilds, it looks like I'll have to start from scratch… I also wonder how hard this will be to integrate into an existing system (e.g. the webOS Qt vs the regular Qt) etc. Sep 13 21:15:04 might get quite hard… so it might be easier for now to simply define a 'set' for all dependencies and then use a build script for a local non-systemwide build Sep 13 21:17:22 does anyone know how much difference there is between upstream Qt and webOS Qt? Sep 13 21:17:38 eliasp_, look @ the OE builds... Sep 13 21:17:51 oe is a cousing to gentoo Sep 13 21:18:01 s/cousing/cousin/ Sep 13 21:18:02 ka6sox meant: oe is a cousin to gentoo Sep 13 21:18:15 OE = openembedded? Sep 13 21:19:30 yes Sep 13 21:19:49 "Recent News: 2012-08-31: Meta-webos added" … nice! ;) Sep 13 21:19:52 thanks Sep 13 21:19:56 I'll have a look at it Sep 13 21:21:15 * eliasp_ feels reminded of his OpenMoko Freerunner from 4 years ago at this point ;) Sep 13 21:24:35 yup Sep 13 21:25:32 what a shame the OM distributions never really took off… my Freerunner is still in absolutely perfect condition… just lying around here, doing nothing Sep 13 21:26:01 on the other hand: this all was some kind of pioneer work… paving the way for all other Linux based mobile platforms we're running now Sep 13 21:26:19 ok trip is booked. woooooooo. Sep 13 21:27:00 EricBlade: wherego? Sep 13 21:27:20 i'm headed out west, sucka .. cuz i wanna be a cowboy Sep 13 21:27:38 oh, sorry, kid rock moment there. Sep 13 21:27:45 haha Sep 13 21:27:57 * rrix hands EricBlade a spare pair of cowboy boots Sep 13 21:28:48 * ka6sox has a Mike TeeVee moment... Sep 13 21:30:02 * EricBlade whistles California Girls Sep 13 21:37:51 I never had a FreeRunner, but I really wanted one at the time Sep 13 21:38:10 I did have a couple of Zauruses, and those used OE Sep 13 21:45:18 summatusmentis, its gotten much better. Sep 13 21:46:00 I should check into the status of the Zaurus dev :) Sep 13 21:46:41 Zaurii ? :-) Sep 13 21:47:13 I always wanted a Zaurus Sep 13 21:47:32 I have the 5500 and the 3200 Sep 13 21:50:00 didn't some have a tiny hard drive? Sep 13 21:50:29 like the CF form-factor HD IBM(?) had in like 2000 Sep 13 21:50:32 yeah, the 3x00 series did Sep 13 21:50:59 mines got a 6GB 1.8" HDD Sep 13 21:51:01 ShiftyAxel, what was the verdict on closures? Sep 13 21:51:01 I had one which I used in a CF sleeve for my ipaqs Sep 13 21:52:07 I had a 1GB one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microdrive Sep 13 21:52:11 ka6sox: excuse me while I read through the OT scrollback and find out Sep 13 21:52:26 ~bluen linuxjacques,summatusmentis Sep 13 21:52:26 * WoceBot points linuxjacques,summatusmentis at webos-offtopic Sep 13 21:52:46 oops, sorry. Sep 13 21:52:48 yeah, touche Sep 13 21:52:59 I should get back to work anyway. Sep 13 21:54:28 * ka6sox chuckles Sep 13 21:54:33 ka6sox: 145, 147, 149, 143, 141, 131 are all confirmed and can be closed Sep 13 21:58:44 143 too? Sep 13 21:59:05 ShiftyAxel, #95? Sep 13 21:59:41 yeah, 143 Sep 13 21:59:46 95 is definately fixed Sep 13 21:59:53 but not confirmed Sep 13 22:16:44 eliasp_: I gave away all my FreeRunners to a local hacker Sep 13 22:17:20 rwhitby: I offered mine too to the local LUG but so far no one was interested in them… Sep 13 22:17:56 rwhitby: I think nowadays there are more attractive devices around with capacitative screens, more speed/storage/… Sep 13 22:18:22 but back then, the display was fucking awesome… never seen such high DPI on any display Sep 13 22:18:38 yep Sep 13 23:03:59 EricBlade, #113? Sep 13 23:27:17 general tso's chicken? Sep 13 23:28:43 EricBlade: it's the bug you opened and then submitted a bugfix for via pull, the screen timeout thing Sep 13 23:28:51 we need verification that it's fixed Sep 13 23:29:03 oh. i was hoping ka6sox was buying takeout Sep 13 23:29:16 as far as i can tell it's good. Sep 13 23:35:50 XChat is not making me as happy as it did when I first installed it. It is loading up a stale log from 2 days ago. Grr Sep 14 01:12:16 news alert: banner icon corruption is still happening Sep 14 01:12:54 EricBlade: repro instructions? Sep 14 01:13:31 i turned on facebook notifications. i just saw a banner go across with the icon just a bunch of garbage Sep 14 01:14:00 it's been a few hours, several notifications have happened. i don't know if any were corrupted prior, just happened to notice that one Sep 14 01:16:23 i am out of mt. dew. and tired. i may die. Sep 14 01:17:04 * EricBlade hears the lamentation of a Gauntlet machine, "Blue Warrior, your life force is running out." Sep 14 01:30:53 which one had the lo-fi 'RIIIIISE FROM YOUR GRAAAAAVE'? Sep 14 01:35:56 looks like Genesis Altered Beast Sep 14 01:48:23 leaving for the evening.. bbl Sep 14 01:49:34 laters Sep 14 02:41:54 sleep time, nn all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 14 02:59:59 2012