**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 14 02:59:59 2012 Sep 14 03:25:06 hi Sep 14 03:25:48 * lagoldste waves Sep 14 03:31:41 what's happenin Sep 14 03:34:12 ka6sox asked me to write up a bug report for the missing bt kbd functionality in tabbed cards Sep 14 03:34:47 in other news, i may have found a limit to how many cards you can put in a stack before things start to not work Sep 14 03:34:57 how many? Sep 14 03:35:57 i have 7 cards in my wirc stack. if i go to card view with this stack as the active one, i cannot swipe left or right to go to the next card/stack Sep 14 03:36:30 i also cannot tap the stack to bring it back full screen, though hitting return on the bt kbd does work for that Sep 14 03:37:13 i can swipe the left or right card into view by starting my swipe/gesture at that bezel Sep 14 03:37:54 and i can tap that card and bring it foreground, and then change stacks as expected. tried this with fluid & swipe gesture types Sep 14 03:38:34 have not had time to revert to 3.0.5 and test there Sep 14 03:39:36 * eblade_pre3 adds a "too many cards in one stack" error msg Sep 14 03:40:01 * lagoldste hehs at eblade_pre3 Sep 14 03:40:18 there problem solved :D Sep 14 03:40:25 :D :D :D Sep 14 03:40:46 I like it Sep 14 03:40:50 i can throw cards away from the stack- they'll move vertically. just not horizontally or forward Sep 14 03:42:59 throwing away one card brought back tap to bring forward Sep 14 03:44:22 throwing away a second card brought back swipe to change stacks Sep 14 03:44:39 so the max before lunace starts getting confused is 5 cards Sep 14 04:09:48 am I here? Sep 14 04:10:40 no Sep 14 04:11:50 eblade_pre3, for small values of here (as you are on a Pre3) Sep 14 04:12:20 right. I could login from the pre- if we wanted smaller Sep 14 04:13:31 synergv is performing very badly on my phone tonight. not making me happy. Sep 14 04:54:45 oopsie Sep 14 06:54:58 !!! Sep 14 06:54:59 "We are working on this," Ms. Whitman told Fox Business Network in an interview. "We have to ultimately offer a smartphone because in many countries of the world that would be your first computing device...we are a computing company." Sep 14 06:55:08 http://www.nasdaq.com/article/h-p-ceo-we-have-to-ultimately-offer-a-smartphone--fox-business-20120913-01297 Sep 14 06:57:35 hp is developing a new mobile os? Sep 14 06:57:58 well either a) they're going to make android or windows phones or b) they'll make webos phons Sep 14 06:59:13 too bad they already laid off all of palm's hardware people Sep 14 07:02:00 :-( Sep 14 07:03:51 HP hardware people could still use gram software, however :) Sep 14 11:50:01 morning all Sep 14 11:59:21 morning ShiftyAxel Sep 14 12:50:08 могу и через пару лет поиграть, когда она в psn+ появится бесплатно Sep 14 12:50:11 oops Sep 14 12:50:14 wrong channel Sep 14 12:58:32 morning Sep 14 13:00:33 can anyone confirm this issue for me please. sometimes while typing, when you hit the space bar the whole card is minimized ? Sep 14 13:00:48 yes Sep 14 13:01:38 ok I didn't see this issue in the chili page so wasn't sure if it has been reported , thank you . Sep 14 13:02:06 i don't know if it was already reported Sep 14 13:02:13 but I also had this issue Sep 14 13:51:03 what gesture recognizer are you using? Sep 14 13:51:12 shadavis08, LunohoD^^ Sep 14 13:52:51 oh snap http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/14/3331282/hp-working-on-smartphone Sep 14 13:53:18 ~bluen fxspec06 Sep 14 13:53:18 * WoceBot points fxspec06 at webos-offtopic Sep 14 13:53:25 we're discussing it there now ;) Sep 14 13:53:38 whoops, sorry, i can't see the title of the channel Sep 14 14:33:42 ShiftyAxel: the second one Sep 14 14:34:03 LunohoD: Slide? Sep 14 14:34:09 yes Sep 14 14:35:51 so, the launcher gesture is also changed to slide if you choose slide for the card rotation? Sep 14 14:36:44 for card rotation? Sep 14 14:37:09 side bezel gesture Sep 14 14:53:50 the gesture detection in setting in tweaks affects left, right and bottom bezel gestures Sep 14 14:56:16 that could explain the issue Sep 14 14:58:19 when you type space on the VK, you occasionaly slide with the finger over the bottom border Sep 14 14:58:44 *occasionally Sep 14 15:01:40 that would be the problem Sep 14 15:01:58 could you open a bug for it please? Sep 14 15:02:48 how do you want to fix it? Sep 14 15:05:51 by adding a keyboard check to the bezel gesture recognizer Sep 14 15:06:03 and doubling/wuadrupling the distance required for triggering Sep 14 15:06:09 `//w//q/ Sep 14 15:06:14 meh Sep 14 15:15:31 ShiftyAxel: #169 Sep 14 15:22:33 LOL Sep 14 15:24:58 Grabber5_0? Sep 14 15:27:26 I forgot, l need to look at the logs again :-P Sep 14 15:28:36 I was laughing at your typo Sep 14 15:28:44 sorry :D Sep 14 15:29:10 only I can laugh at his typos Sep 14 15:30:40 I'll have you know that's perfectly valid regex ;) Sep 14 15:32:15 I think it was more the reaction. I hate when my correction is wrong too Sep 14 15:49:23 work beckons Sep 14 15:49:39 * Grabber5_0 begrudgingly goes back to work Sep 14 15:50:16 hey! thats my job! Sep 14 15:50:30 * ka6sox is in a mood.... :D Sep 14 16:56:21 mornin all Sep 14 16:57:39 could someone please remove the duplicate bug i filed last night? the first one returned an error code so i thog Sep 14 16:58:09 thought it hadn't posted Sep 14 17:08:52 lagoldste: already done Sep 14 17:11:51 ty Sep 14 17:20:46 morning lagoldste Sep 14 17:21:14 say goodnight lagoste Sep 14 17:33:03 who wants to play 'guess the key'? Sep 14 17:33:04 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82739429/Unknown_2012-14-09_183158.png Sep 14 17:33:14 top-right key, who's first? :D Sep 14 17:33:47 sym? Sep 14 17:33:57 ShiftyAxel: Uhhh.... Sep 14 17:34:23 Geekpeter: nope :) Sep 14 17:34:25 a gesture area "key" ? Sep 14 17:34:40 not quite Sep 14 17:34:46 think of what it's replacing Sep 14 17:34:59 Well, it replaces the arrow buttons.. Sep 14 17:35:02 your arrows Sep 14 17:35:15 some kind of dpad? Sep 14 17:36:19 getting much warmer Sep 14 17:36:34 Joystick? lol Sep 14 17:36:48 nipple mouse type thing? Sep 14 17:37:06 Geekpeter: dingalingalingaling! correct! Sep 14 17:37:10 nice Sep 14 17:37:14 it's a virtual trackball Sep 14 17:37:14 sweet! Sep 14 17:37:16 my first toshiba sattelite laptop had 1 Sep 14 17:37:21 wasnt 1/2 bad onec u got teh hang Sep 14 17:37:44 it doesn't function quite like a laptop nub mouse, think more along the lines of a blackberry trackball/pad Sep 14 17:37:48 works with shift for text selection too Sep 14 17:37:56 does it work ok? left/right seems ok, what about your up/down movement Sep 14 17:38:11 yup, up/down works just fine Sep 14 17:38:18 nice Sep 14 17:38:43 i wonder if you coudl make a sort of controller keyboard then, for say an emulator app, a giant nipple mouse and some fire buttons on a smaller keyboard Sep 14 17:39:05 I thought about a virtual joystick api a while ago Sep 14 17:39:07 and bam youd have made a built in controller app using the keyboard Sep 14 17:39:11 iirc it's on the ideas hub Sep 14 17:39:14 looks like your 1/2 way there already Sep 14 17:39:20 hehe Sep 14 17:39:28 coz when i look at emulator authors comments Sep 14 17:39:37 most say the hardest part is the onscreen/controller functions Sep 14 17:39:49 or wed prolly have more ports already Sep 14 17:39:54 I'd want to do a bit more for a virtual joystick, expose a proper analog API instead of a keypress/release type thing Sep 14 17:40:13 eh, no other mobile platform provides their own virtual joysticks Sep 14 17:40:22 it would be a first :) Sep 14 17:40:28 not as standard, ive seen soem android boltins tho Sep 14 17:40:36 they sucked however Sep 14 17:41:17 well i tried em on emulators and they were amazingly crap, supposedly analogue but still felt like ON/OFF with terrible terrible issue with being oversensitive Sep 14 17:41:52 I'd want to make the webOS one very customizable Sep 14 17:42:04 like pro gamepads, have deadzones, 'tightness' etc Sep 14 17:42:13 a keyboard with a joypad/stick/etc toggle tho, that would be pretty win and a nice unique thing to have Sep 14 17:42:19 are it wasnt v well implimented Sep 14 17:42:52 it'd probably have to use a different engine under the hood, since the keyboard can't be transparent Sep 14 17:43:16 i had to manually goto keyboard settigns and remove my thumbs keyboard and use a dpad one Sep 14 17:43:28 which also sucked as i couldnt then type anything till i put it back Sep 14 17:44:28 a nipple mouse tho, weird idea, how come you thought of that? got some old hardware kicking around that used one? Sep 14 17:44:37 not seen any for years Sep 14 17:44:43 early 2000s Sep 14 17:45:00 I was poking through the virtual keyboard code and came across a semi-working 'drag handle' key Sep 14 17:45:08 ah Sep 14 17:45:10 one that you could drag to resize the keyboard Sep 14 17:45:27 is it the same deal as the pre3 gesture area where you can do the same (tho its also over sensitive or sticks) Sep 14 17:45:50 it's better Sep 14 17:46:07 it clicks every time you move, so you actually have an idea how far you've moved and when Sep 14 17:46:23 I was looking through because of bug #119, and the drag handle got me thinking about keys that could handle drags Sep 14 17:46:43 i remembered the 2.x method that you just mentioned, and thought 'hey, that would be cool on a VKB' Sep 14 17:49:44 Geekpeter: do you think diagonal scrolling would work with a virtual trackpad? Sep 14 17:50:10 since it's not 'smooth', I could lock it into horizontal/vertical for more accuracy Sep 14 17:51:40 I'm thinking it should go between 5 and 6 on a phone-sized keyboard Sep 14 17:52:03 or maybe use a virtual gesture area… hrm Sep 14 20:38:41 folks Sep 14 20:38:51 bah HP Sep 14 20:45:06 hey bhuey, do you have an eta for the eta of the eta? Sep 14 20:45:55 eta^2? Sep 14 20:46:03 eta-ception? Sep 14 20:49:43 nope Sep 14 20:49:55 not really happy about what Meg said today Sep 14 20:50:12 yeah. hinting at webos being useless to her. Sep 14 20:50:13 to be expected Sep 14 20:50:14 but per usual executives at the top didn't really say anything so whatever Sep 14 20:50:27 they wont use it tbh Sep 14 20:50:29 void eta(QDate qeta) { if(true) return eta(qeta^qeta); } Sep 14 20:50:31 I watched it again and she said basically nothing Sep 14 20:50:50 other than that they have to do a smart phone Sep 14 20:51:11 they dont take risks and cant afford to Sep 14 20:51:12 the Fox reporter was leading her on Sep 14 20:52:19 EVIL NEWS CORPORATION Sep 14 20:52:50 faux news Sep 14 20:54:45 os webos is nothing but to appease us or to lessen the fact their idiots to the world at large, it will be down to others stuffing into a device rather than them Sep 14 20:54:54 look, she wouldn't say she was going to push webos phones, windows 8 phones, android phones, or whatever else until it was time to make an official announcement anyway Sep 14 20:55:06 it will be winblows tho Sep 14 20:55:41 perhaps. Sep 14 20:56:01 they're right though. webos 2.x is the only version geared toward phones, and it's horribly out of date Sep 14 20:56:49 in what way, seems apps was its only shortcoming Sep 14 20:56:56 if u needed lots of apps Sep 14 20:57:07 major shortcoming* Sep 14 20:57:27 * Geekpeter reminds himself his pre3 IS stuffed full of patches ofc Sep 14 21:00:11 also Sep 14 21:00:19 ~bluen bhuey+HaDAk+Geekpeter Sep 14 21:00:19 * WoceBot points bhuey+HaDAk+Geekpeter at webos-offtopic Sep 14 21:01:14 * Geekpeter cradles his slapped wrist Sep 14 21:01:22 the web browser needs to be brought up to standard. it's missing a lot of standard functionality Sep 14 21:02:40 not just the web browser, but the OS as a whole is Sep 14 21:02:46 anyway. things are getting crazy around here. bbl. Sep 14 21:05:11 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82739429/browser_2012-14-09_220403.png Sep 14 21:05:17 new trackball graphic, thoughts? Sep 14 21:06:24 HaDAk, Geekpeter, bhuey, linuxjacques^^ Sep 14 21:06:27 not a fan of the placement, fwiw Sep 14 21:07:07 how do you mean? Sep 14 21:07:11 it's position on the vkb? Sep 14 21:07:15 right Sep 14 21:07:20 where should it be? Sep 14 21:07:32 I don't have a better idea, I just don't like that it squishes the # keys over Sep 14 21:07:34 (taking into account that it's more of a bb trackball than a nub mouse) Sep 14 21:07:50 well you need space to use it, otherwise you'll hit other keys Sep 14 21:07:54 yeah Sep 14 21:07:58 I get that Sep 14 21:08:58 looks unobtrusive at least Sep 14 21:09:04 i wonder Sep 14 21:09:15 is it better placed where real nipple mice ended up? Sep 14 21:09:20 inbetween GHB i think? Sep 14 21:09:25 ShiftyAxel: (taking into account that it's more of a bb trackball than a nub mouse) Sep 14 21:09:25 G, H and B* Sep 14 21:09:46 it's intended to be thumbed, swiped repeatedly as opposed to tap, hold and small movements Sep 14 21:10:00 so more a trackball then Sep 14 21:10:13 ya Sep 14 21:10:25 you actually have it working? Sep 14 21:10:32 yeah, 100% working here Sep 14 21:10:46 just working on polishing it a bit now, imo the ball should be bigger Sep 14 21:10:46 so whats it like when you use it and what kinda stuff/sites did you try it on? Sep 14 21:11:35 like the webOS 2.x one, it works for navigating and selecting in text boxes Sep 14 21:11:47 tested in the memos app with a big multiline thing, it's quite naviagable Sep 14 21:12:13 sounds alright Sep 14 21:12:43 ShiftyAxel: what's with the nipple? Sep 14 21:12:47 is it easy to use way up the keyboard or better off near the bottom or middle for ease of thumbing Sep 14 21:13:01 like that gap to the left of A Sep 14 21:13:21 actually, ShiftyAxel, hold that thought. i'm going to go get my kid, then we can talk about it :P give me ~2 hrs Sep 14 21:14:40 HaDAk|work|away: trackball Sep 14 21:15:49 Geekpeter: that gap's kind of too small Sep 14 21:15:58 :/ Sep 14 21:17:05 would be ncie to have the option to position that trackball left or right then, i feel id end up preferrign to thumb with my left hand/thumb, its just how i hold mine Sep 14 21:17:16 esp when reading Sep 14 21:17:57 least u cover left/right handed ppl :D Sep 14 21:19:00 yeah, handedness did occur to me Sep 14 21:19:10 also as thats a keyboard image, thsi is nitpicking out of interest, but does that image have a "pressed/down" image as well? Sep 14 21:19:16 I wonder if the keyboard is effecting via tweaks Sep 14 21:19:20 no, it doesn't Sep 14 21:19:43 it's actually the brightness slider knob from the device menu Sep 14 21:21:45 hey all Sep 14 21:22:00 lol handy Sep 14 21:22:50 I'm good at repurposing the existing :) Sep 14 21:22:53 hey EricBlade Sep 14 21:23:01 can I get your opinion on a new thing? Sep 14 21:23:22 hmm. probably. Sep 14 21:24:32 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82739429/browser_2012-14-09_220403.png Sep 14 21:24:39 top-right, tis a trackball Sep 14 21:24:40 ] Sep 14 21:24:42 thoughts? Sep 14 21:25:52 for navigating inputs? Sep 14 21:25:57 yus Sep 14 21:26:29 it's already all working etc, though I need to consult with mansandersson at some point and make it ambidextrous Sep 14 21:26:37 i guess i'd have to play with it some Sep 14 21:27:09 I think I might push for a release this evening Sep 14 21:27:16 anyone up for testing a new build? Sep 14 21:28:07 in the other mobile systems, you can grab the cursor in the input field and move it Sep 14 21:28:21 but that still doesn't make it really particularly easy to navigate in a text field that has scrolled Sep 14 21:29:27 I'm not really sure how to mess with text inputs, Qt seems to handle them and therefore possibly not be doable Sep 14 21:29:47 and there was a bug about shift+arrow keys not working properly on the VKB, so I made a trackball instead Sep 14 21:34:52 the shift key on our vkb is annoying anyway Sep 14 21:35:03 i think it worked for me when i tried it on the arrows though Sep 14 21:35:09 or maybe that was ctrl Sep 14 21:36:26 if you held shift so you had up/down arrows, it'd select text Sep 14 21:36:39 so I devised a method that doesn't require holding shift Sep 14 21:55:17 oooh right that makes sense. Sep 14 21:57:33 ok, so. it's a nub? Sep 14 22:03:23 wb HaDAk_ Sep 14 22:03:28 thanks. Sep 14 22:03:29 think blackberry trackball Sep 14 22:03:30 i'm only in and out Sep 14 22:03:42 uh. i'm not so sure i like that idea, but i'll hear you out. Sep 14 22:04:22 better than arrow keys, since you get two dimensions of control instead of one Sep 14 22:04:37 it's precist Sep 14 22:04:41 s/t/e/ Sep 14 22:04:41 ShiftyAxel meant: ie's precist Sep 14 22:04:49 meh Sep 14 22:04:58 and it allows for text selection by holding shift Sep 14 22:05:02 hmm. Sep 14 22:05:12 does it move when you drag it? Sep 14 22:05:15 admittedly, so do the arrows, but they're stuck in up/down whilst holding shift Sep 14 22:05:16 * EricBlade whacks wocebot with a shovel Sep 14 22:05:16 nope Sep 14 22:05:29 i think it probably should Sep 14 22:05:36 why and where? Sep 14 22:05:41 in a circle. Sep 14 22:05:45 like a virtual d-pad Sep 14 22:05:55 that's not how a trackball works... Sep 14 22:06:03 but it's NOT a trackball Sep 14 22:06:13 I made it, I say what it is :P Sep 14 22:06:26 you can make the clouds and say they're green, but they're still white :P Sep 14 22:06:29 and it's a trackball, you slide your finger across it and it moves the cursor Sep 14 22:07:18 a nub mouse would scroll at n speed in a direction, where n is the distance between the nub and finger Sep 14 22:09:28 trackball/nipplemouse hybrid, its a nippleball Sep 14 22:10:19 http://xkcd.com/243/ Sep 14 22:10:34 :) Sep 14 22:10:41 bm'd/save as Sep 14 22:10:53 love xkcd Sep 14 22:10:59 i'm not saying that it functions any differently, i'm simply /suggesting/ that rather than have it be a static touch point, it gives some feedback -- and you can "drag" it the direction you want the cursor to go Sep 14 22:11:21 another possibility of course, would be to put the up/down on the symbol keyboard instead of the main Sep 14 22:11:33 ShiftyAxel: why not make a joystick instead? Sep 14 22:11:58 HaDAk_: what about arrows around it that display the direction you're moving, possibly some kind of rolling animation? Sep 14 22:12:08 i always called them erasers Sep 14 22:12:15 LarrySteeze|Away: when was the last time you edited text with a flightstick? :P Sep 14 22:12:19 because when they are reddish they look like pencil erasers Sep 14 22:12:36 ShiftyAxel: i don't edit text, much, but when i do, i use a flight stick. Sep 14 22:12:50 i just think that when you touch the little circle, you should be able to drag it around a larger circle area that appears. the direction you drag it indicates the direction the cursor is moving. the further you drag it toward the extents of the outer circle, the faster it moves. Sep 14 22:13:00 you know, kinda like nova2 does Sep 14 22:13:30 you dotn have much dragspace on that keyboard Sep 14 22:13:35 that would require me rewriting it to work like a nub mouse Sep 14 22:13:38 which it doesn't Sep 14 22:13:49 i'm simply making a suggestion Sep 14 22:14:17 * HaDAk_ does a lot of usability testing and such Sep 14 22:14:34 EricBlade: reddish? Are you suggesting ShiftyAxel make it a nipple mouse? Sep 14 22:14:40 it is a good idea tho, theoretically youve condensed 4 buttons into 1 Sep 14 22:15:02 ya, and it's consistent Sep 14 22:15:22 * ShiftyAxel does not want to put a picture of a nipple on the webOS keyboard Sep 14 22:15:22 LarrySteeze|Away: i was just saying that the nubs always looked like pencil erasers Sep 14 22:16:23 snooker cue tips Sep 14 22:17:15 crap my pre3 is barely charging, and the back side of it feels like it's on fire. wth Sep 14 22:17:53 current draw is higher than my touchpad Sep 14 22:17:56 what the hell Sep 14 22:18:09 current draw -950ma Sep 14 22:18:11 tethered it without a reboot? Sep 14 22:24:53 no i always reboot after a tether. rebooting again jsut to make sure Sep 14 22:28:52 Try rebooting Sep 14 22:43:26 it seems that the mediaserver has gone insane Sep 14 22:44:52 mine went apeshit onec trying to index my 680mb of c64 sid music files once, i had to put them in a hidden folder Sep 14 22:45:05 i don't have much of anything on it Sep 14 22:45:11 Oo Sep 14 22:45:13 .o. Sep 14 22:45:38 no handy log messages i take it Sep 14 22:47:49 nothing really. Sep 14 22:47:59 it -is- normal to have a pre3 with a load average around 8.2 or so right? Sep 14 22:48:15 seems obscenely high to me, but i'm used to dealing with that on real pcs Sep 14 22:48:46 mines showing 8.47 8.64 7.98 Sep 14 22:49:10 while on touchstone Sep 14 22:52:21 webos offtopic is discussing this http://www.slashgear.com/hp-bender-android-smartphone-appears-in-benchmark-details-14247675/ Sep 14 23:05:07 and thats why it should stay there... Sep 14 23:07:20 no advertising needed Sep 15 01:17:01 anyone about? Sep 15 01:17:06 I need testers for a new buid Sep 15 01:17:14 s/uid/uild/ Sep 15 01:17:15 ShiftyAxel meant: I need testers for a new build Sep 15 02:07:07 sup Sep 15 02:07:28 looking for testers, thinking about going to bed, the usual Sep 15 02:07:31 and the ceiling Sep 15 02:17:57 hmm Sep 15 02:18:06 so, what do i have to do Sep 15 02:18:18 i'm on stock luna, so that's set Sep 15 02:18:46 I sure wish phoenix devices would stop telling us how wonderful they are and to "trust them"...and start DOING something Sep 15 02:19:09 fxspec06: open a terminal and run 'git clone git://github.com/woce/LunaSysMgr-binaries' Sep 15 02:19:21 then cd into the LunaSysMgr-binaries dir and run ./install.sh Sep 15 02:19:27 (with your device plugged in) Sep 15 02:19:32 hmmm Sep 15 02:19:40 dont we have a wikipage for this? Sep 15 02:20:01 I think we might do Sep 15 02:20:16 ka6sox: they're improving the Enyo 2 map demo Sep 15 02:20:47 I look forward to running Open webOS on an Enyo2 map demo in the near future Sep 15 02:20:58 EricBlade-TP, show me the code? Sep 15 02:21:17 oh, wait..."in the near future" Sep 15 02:21:28 * fxspec06 wonders if windows can run the install without havoing to work around Sep 15 02:21:28 More Vapour Sep 15 02:21:41 so wait, this means that i'll have the source on my PC now, so i won't have any more excuses Sep 15 02:21:48 ls Sep 15 02:21:55 fxspec06, not found Sep 15 02:21:57 fxspec06: rename install.sh to a .bat and you should be good so long as you have novacom Sep 15 02:22:23 ka6sox: they've at least shown something. that's better than a bit ago Sep 15 02:22:39 bravo, ShiftyAxel. bravo Sep 15 02:23:01 fxspec06: and you won't have the source, it only d/ls the binaries… but you should go ahead and get the source too ;) Sep 15 02:23:30 ah, i see. maybe later =P Sep 15 02:24:11 fxspec06: www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing Sep 15 02:25:29 i should add that install.sh -> install.bat bit to Testing Sep 15 02:25:36 good plan Sep 15 02:25:49 fxspec06: test candidates are the VKB trackball and ctrl+tab/ctrl+arrows on a BT keyboard Sep 15 02:25:56 do we have a link somewhere pointing to smart git? Sep 15 02:25:57 well already it's working better than last version i tried, because it's working =P i think i screwd my TP that day myself, tho Sep 15 02:26:14 excellent :D Sep 15 02:26:25 lagoldste: smart git? Sep 15 02:26:38 it's for windows Sep 15 02:26:45 graphical ui Sep 15 02:26:53 ah, I got nothing in that case Sep 15 02:27:00 we were just discussing it today here at work at lunch Sep 15 02:27:19 that'll let someone with windows join in the testing party Sep 15 02:27:46 you can also get commandline git for windows iirc Sep 15 02:28:09 though i guess it'd be good to diversify our possible testing pool Sep 15 02:28:10 we want windows users to participate Sep 15 02:28:15 ctrl tab / ctrl + not working in card view Sep 15 02:28:20 when minimized they work Sep 15 02:28:32 fxspec06: minimized == card view..? Sep 15 02:28:34 well, no, i take that back. when minimized, arrow keys work. Sep 15 02:28:51 okay, bad lingo.. app view or card view, neither is working. =( Sep 15 02:29:04 hrm Sep 15 02:29:10 how about fn/alt/shift? Sep 15 02:29:11 my keyboard is not official, though. i've got the MS BT8000 Sep 15 02:29:23 or 6000* Sep 15 02:29:30 I tested it with ctrl on an apple bt keyboard Sep 15 02:29:54 page up / down is scrolling, i don't think stock did that? Sep 15 02:29:57 untested kybds are not supported (yet) Sep 15 02:30:19 ka6sox: so we support apple and HP keyboards? Sep 15 02:30:59 shift in card view pulls up Just Type, need escape to back out there.. also would be cool if caps lock indicator on screen Sep 15 02:31:09 hmm Sep 15 02:31:34 ctrl+arrows should switch between cards, minimize and maximize regardless of mode Sep 15 02:31:38 and caps lock was a huge deal, i hate the way TP handles that. =( should only capitalize chars, not the num row too. you know what i mean? Sep 15 02:31:59 vkb or bt? Sep 15 02:32:05 yeah, i've tried every ctrl + arrow combination, none is switching cards. BT. Sep 15 02:32:31 I've never noticed it w/a BT keyboard, but I don't use it much Sep 15 02:32:38 how's the trackball working for you? Sep 15 02:33:27 hello Sep 15 02:33:33 greets Sep 15 02:33:48 well for onei don't see trackball in irc Sep 15 02:33:58 i wonder if it's only for certain KB modes? Sep 15 02:34:07 should be on the keyboard, top right, instead of the arrows Sep 15 02:34:28 what version is the string up top displaying? Sep 15 02:34:50 4.9.5 Sep 15 02:34:52 ah Sep 15 02:35:06 it should be 4.9.6 Sep 15 02:35:20 oh jeez. Sep 15 02:35:35 ah, interesting Sep 15 02:35:55 I knew having two branches for -binaries would get confusing, it's in the alpha branch Sep 15 02:36:07 i need the time to do a git clone & install, since i wrote the bug reports Sep 15 02:36:09 :P Sep 15 02:36:27 he he Sep 15 02:36:27