**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 24 02:59:59 2012 Sep 24 06:44:01 EricBlade: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_compiler#Canadian_Cross fwiw Sep 24 06:44:05 also rofl gcc apology :D Sep 24 15:14:54 my new HP printer has this strangely looking 3.5" touch screen display Sep 24 15:15:02 *strangely familiar looking Sep 24 15:19:32 also, out of the blue, it just printed a picture of a Pre 2 as an example of what mobile printing is like Sep 24 15:21:08 and, not very surprisingly, it refuses to recognize my HP usb stick Sep 24 16:18:33 EricBlade: probably the only new webos device we'll see all year Sep 24 16:18:49 re:// that picture of a pre2 Sep 24 16:18:49 fxspec06: it's not webos :( Sep 24 16:18:53 oh Sep 24 16:20:05 * fxspec06 rimshot Sep 24 16:20:23 the printer is now also demanding that i print a photo to test it with. Sep 24 16:20:44 or else what, it sprays hot ink at you? Sep 24 16:20:57 i guess or else it doesn't allow me to continue the setup process Sep 24 16:21:12 demanding? blasphemy! hang it by the USB cord out the window, and then see if it still asks Sep 24 16:21:57 EricBlade: i suppose that 'sample photo' will suck through about 1/4 of the starter cartridge Sep 24 16:22:31 lol, otherwise known as the 'buy more ink please' photo Sep 24 16:22:57 its not even "please" Sep 24 16:24:13 I guess it's a step up from it printing a picture of your kidnapped family and demanding a ransom Sep 24 16:26:05 so i figure if it's going to force me to print a picture, i'll print one of my daughter off this cd of photos that her mom sent me Sep 24 16:26:44 and all i can find are pics of her looking like an alien baby (as most babies do) or with food on her mouth. good picture taking, mother. Sep 24 16:29:53 "Let's make sure everything is working correctly by printing your first lab quality photo at home. We included everything you need to get started, even the photo paper*." ... "* subject to availability" .. i guess there was no photo paper available at the time my device was built. Sep 24 16:31:25 oh. now that i've selected a photo to print, it lights up a skip button. yay. Sep 24 16:33:43 typical, lol Sep 24 17:06:27 proprietary software, home of complete illogic Sep 24 21:48:05 ShiftyAxel : Hi. I found a way to try LunaCE on Pre3 without overwriting files Sep 24 21:51:56 hwti: good work! Sep 24 21:52:08 how was it done? Sep 24 21:55:36 also, can you add your findings to http://webos-ports.org/wiki/LunaCE_on_Pre3 please? Sep 24 21:56:52 when he returns :) Sep 24 21:58:13 ah, good old netsplit Sep 24 22:00:43 It's kind of a hack : I mount files and directories over the rootfs (using mount --bind) Sep 24 22:02:11 So the files look modified, but after umount or reboot, the original Luna works (the config files are shared but don't seem to be a problem, at least with what I tried) Sep 24 22:03:04 2 locations being referenced as 1? Sep 24 22:05:28 Geekpeter: mount --bind replaces parts of filesystem (the old file cannot be opened, but a process which already opened it before still sees it, like a deleted file) Sep 24 22:05:35 3.x LSM is more similar to 2.x LSM than most people realise- if you poke through the source it becomes pretty clear that it never ever had a rewrite Sep 24 22:05:52 so shared configs are all good Sep 24 22:06:26 I don't get the exactly the same results as in the wiki : for examples, when launching apps, the card is not white, it show the application icon glowing Sep 24 22:06:27 couldnt you just chmod 1 set as unwriteable/unreadable Sep 24 22:06:37 leaving the 1 u want Sep 24 22:07:14 so these files and directories that you're using to replace, could they theoretically be packaged into a filesystem image for easy deployment? Sep 24 22:07:37 it's a shame that john steffes never got back to us with that 3.0.5-on-Pre3 metadoctor script, I had hopes for that :/ Sep 24 22:08:21 Currently I'm using nfs to test, but mounting a loop file will work Sep 24 22:09:23 didnt johns last post regarding it say he had to find hsi script? maybe he binned it when thigns didnt goto plan Sep 24 22:12:10 But if you want all processes (not just LunaCE) to use the new libs, it must be mounted before they are launched Sep 24 22:12:11 Having both old and new libs loaded at the same time (different processes) uses more memory Sep 24 22:12:16 nfs? are you hosting the 3.x stuff remotely? Sep 24 22:12:43 yeah, and memory is something of a premium on Pre3 Sep 24 22:13:20 Yes, on my PC. It's easier than always having to copy files : stop Luna, modify "rootfs overlay" on PC, start Luna, ... Sep 24 22:13:24 Geekpeter: yeah, it's possible, hope not though Sep 24 22:14:02 that's a neat way of doing things, and presumably leaves no trace on-device when you're done with 3.x? Sep 24 22:15:36 Currently the empty files/directories created as mount points for files which didn't exist remain Sep 24 22:16:18 but they are not used by the original Luna, and they could be removed by a script Sep 24 22:17:59 for example : /lib/hal/modules doesn't exit on Pre3, so I must create it before "mount --bind /tmp/LunaCE/lib/hal/modules /lib/hal/modules" Sep 24 22:21:49 so long as there's no significant extra space used, I'd say it's all good Sep 24 22:23:40 Yes, especially since the free space on / is limited (perhaps not enough for debug builds for example) Sep 24 22:25:45 I would like to understand why I don't get exactly the same results as on the wiki before adding my method to it. Sep 24 22:26:17 If anyone wants to try : https://github.com/hwti/woce-build/blob/mantaray/make-mantaray-rootfs.sh Sep 24 22:30:13 perhaps webappmgr or some other process depends on some 2.x-version libs that aren't 'seen' by it with your method Sep 24 22:34:08 On the wiki "Icons glow & cards appear, but solid white with no content" : if I understand this correctly, I see card+glowing icon instead of solid white Sep 24 22:34:54 yeah, the icon glow was referring to the launcher/QL icons iirc Sep 24 22:35:06 ok, so I get further Sep 24 22:35:23 but I don't know why Sep 24 22:37:32 anyone here have any actual experience with doing work inside webkit? Sep 24 22:40:02 EricBlade: Me. But not on webOS (RTOS, and embedded Linux), and I don't know all parts. Sep 24 22:42:40 hwti: what sorts of tools do you use for development, as far as like editors, and such? so far, every thing i have tried to do anything in it with has had severe issues with it's size Sep 24 22:42:51 even github can't handle doing pull requests for webkit Sep 24 22:43:43 jesu cristo i need a new desk just to put all my hardware on Sep 24 22:47:14 git repository is huge, so github/gitorious sometimes even have problems when cloning. I didn't push to any remote git repo (except local server) Sep 24 22:50:13 Currently I work on Qt port, so I use QtCreator as editor. For git handling, mainly command line. Sep 24 22:53:14 But a fast PC is really useful, at least if you don't like to wait a lot when building (disable SVG if you don't need it, libs are smaller and faster to build) Sep 24 22:55:03 i just loaded the webkit repo into visual studio, and doing an initial search was reasonable, but then i clicked on the "Source Files" section, and it's been about 5 minutes since it last talked to me Sep 24 22:55:56 also, doing a "make clean" on the build-webos repo is probably a bad idea too Sep 24 22:57:32 I didn't try webkit on windows since 18 months (and it grows fast) Sep 24 22:59:17 git on windows was a lot slower than Linux, I don't know if it improved since then. Sep 24 23:11:08 EricBlade : make sure visual studio doesn't want to index or look at non-source directories like LayoutTests (160k files ...) Sep 24 23:18:08 hwti: github support emailed me a few days back to inform me that repos the size of github cannot have pull requests done on them because it takes git too long to process Sep 24 23:23:07 hmm. interesting. webkit has some additional settings in the "contenteditable" attribute, it will take "true", "false", "inherit", or "plaintext-only" Sep 24 23:28:03 EricBlade: I see 3 pull requests were done (https://github.com/eseidel/webkit/pulls), perhaps rebasing to master before creating the pull request makes the git command on server fast enough. Sep 24 23:29:38 could be, could be.. Sep 24 23:32:43 one of the kids friends came by, and glanced in my office, and suggested that i had enough computing power in here to launch space ships Sep 24 23:33:06 i chuckled, knowing that we launched people to the moon with less computing power than a nice watch has now. Sep 24 23:37:18 is that an rrix i see? Sep 24 23:37:44 'lo ShiftyAxel Sep 24 23:37:48 * rrix sticks his nose out from behind the wall of things in front of him and waves meekly Sep 24 23:37:59 meatspace getting you down again? :p Sep 24 23:38:37 workspace is Sep 24 23:38:55 meatspace is as nice as it's been in a while, just bogged down with dayjob Sep 24 23:40:57 ShiftyAxel: how's things on your end? Sep 24 23:43:10 ahh, that old chestnut Sep 24 23:43:35 rrix: things are good, started year 3 of uni today. my first year at a proper campus, with proper lecturers and all that malarkey Sep 24 23:43:42 Nice :) Sep 24 23:43:55 ya, actually being taught things ftw :D Sep 24 23:44:07 :) indeed Sep 24 23:44:14 I think I might apply for a uni in fall Sep 24 23:44:18 and LunaCE's getting better and better, quite close to stable now methinks Sep 24 23:44:29 yeah, lunace is nice :) Sep 24 23:44:30 yeah? what subject d'you reckon you'd go for? Sep 24 23:44:58 Not sure Sep 24 23:45:03 depends on where I return to Sep 24 23:45:29 if I end up at the local uni, it'll probably be either sociology with an EE minor or this weird arts and engineering course they're offering Sep 24 23:45:40 But my friend keeps telling me to apply to better schools for CS Sep 24 23:46:02 sounds like something a friend of mine did, it was a crazy mashup course with stuff like film, music production and programming all rolled up into one Sep 24 23:47:23 yeah Sep 24 23:47:29 it's basically similar Sep 25 02:09:59 well.. first time i've tried to print anything in Opera since like v8, many years ago.. and it still doesn't work rihgt. Sep 25 02:28:30 ooh surprise, my touchpad auto recognizes the new printer **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 25 02:59:58 2012