**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 29 02:59:57 2012 Sep 29 04:52:58 wirc has been really weird lately Sep 29 05:02:12 :-) Sep 29 05:03:12 I switched to lvm to manage my partitions, now i have enough space to build webos the oe version. Sep 29 05:03:35 will try it now :-D Sep 29 05:11:17 panda-z, you have 50GB available? Sep 29 05:11:50 ka6sox: yes, I have 100GB available now :P Sep 29 05:12:08 wheee! excellent Sep 29 05:13:18 50gig is tight Sep 29 05:14:12 EricBlade-TP, I won't get a builder with less than 128GB....of RAM... Sep 29 05:15:02 how much ram do you guys end up using when building webos, out of curiousity? Sep 29 05:15:05 like, webkit and all Sep 29 05:15:38 hmm, got error while building db8 and boost, will do further investigate Sep 29 05:16:37 Stskeeps, I use it for tmpfs to speed up the builds and keep from burning out HDs with regression building Sep 29 05:16:50 ka6sox: :nod: wise choice Sep 29 05:16:56 * Stskeeps uses tmpfs for mer builders too Sep 29 05:17:17 ka6sox: you might want to investigate -Wl,--no-keep-memory for webkit, on tmpfs ram is as fast as disk, so Sep 29 05:17:24 so no need to cache the data twice Sep 29 05:17:39 er, disk is as fast as ram, i mean Sep 29 05:17:56 Stskeeps,thanks..will do Sep 29 05:18:11 we create shared states so it helps too. Sep 29 05:19:13 but the current qt4-webos build hoses that up... Sep 29 05:20:03 OE lets us build fast...but its a heavy load... Sep 29 05:24:14 ka6sox: some of us are limitedto normal pc specs Sep 29 05:26:48 EricBlade-TP, this is of course for the project...my personal machine is only an i7/32G and normal HDs (well RAID5 + SSD) Sep 29 05:27:22 some of us have spent years being poor :-) Sep 29 05:27:50 "only" Sep 29 05:27:55 EricBlade-TP, I waited 6yrs for this...last one was a C2D of some sort.... Sep 29 05:28:11 a year-ish ago 8gig was near top for a consumer system Sep 29 05:28:51 hell my motherboard max is8 I would've hadto double the cost of the board to get 16 Sep 29 05:30:05 I "Shopped" at Fry's and got the whole deal for < $1k....but that was a stretch. Sep 29 05:31:47 I see upgrades in my future Sep 29 05:32:12 but I wasn't going to put anything in while I had 0 contracts since may Sep 29 05:36:11 Good Plan(tm) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 29 06:04:57 2012 Sep 29 12:05:19 stroughtonsmith, tested on the tf101 yet? Sep 29 12:05:21 er Sep 29 12:05:22 tf201 Sep 29 12:05:24 201 Sep 29 12:05:30 about to, when my vm reboots Sep 29 12:05:34 it's being slow :P Sep 29 12:05:35 ah Sep 29 12:05:38 :p Sep 29 12:05:46 need to untar to disk Sep 29 12:07:26 heh Sep 29 12:07:33 will be interesting to see how far it gets Sep 29 12:08:08 well others have it running on the Pi, and other devices Sep 29 12:08:30 it uses fb for ui Sep 29 12:08:33 so should get that far Sep 29 12:08:35 no idea if touch works Sep 29 12:08:39 fingers crossed Sep 29 12:08:40 probably not Sep 29 12:08:57 touch should be fine, well depending on what spec the driver uses Sep 29 12:09:11 if it is multitouch compliant it should be fine Sep 29 12:09:39 the trackpad on the dock on the otherhand Sep 29 12:09:45 that probably wont Sep 29 12:09:55 untarring Sep 29 12:09:59 there's no cursor anyway Sep 29 12:10:09 untarring Sep 29 12:10:15 class 10 card ftw :D Sep 29 12:10:26 :) Sep 29 12:10:43 I see you're doing dual boot videos of the 201? Sep 29 12:10:49 how's that GL driver? Sep 29 12:10:54 yeah Sep 29 12:11:09 GL driver is ok, it has a bit of fail, but that is nvidias fault Sep 29 12:11:36 and kernel is not ready for the r16 driver yet Sep 29 12:12:00 I heard mention that GL isn't even turned on in the arm builds, so I have no clue if I'll need a newer kernel Sep 29 12:12:12 but hey, frame buffer at 0.1fps will be fun! Sep 29 12:12:15 fair enough Sep 29 12:12:18 won't be any worse than an original pre :P Sep 29 12:12:29 tegrafb isn't horrible Sep 29 12:12:41 hey did you say there was 2D accel in the driver I have? Sep 29 12:12:51 unity2d runs at a reasonable speed on it Sep 29 12:13:02 the xorg driver does 2d accel Sep 29 12:13:07 ok cool Sep 29 12:13:12 maybe it will help Sep 29 12:13:12 without any helper libs Sep 29 12:13:13 stroughtonsmith: btw, you prodded me last night? forgot what the highlight was about :P Sep 29 12:13:31 Stskeeps: oh ka6sox was talking about build machines, and I was mentioning build bots Sep 29 12:13:33 ah Sep 29 12:13:36 and since you have so much experience, etc Sep 29 12:14:16 I have nowhere near enough system resources to even think about building in a reasonable timeframe Sep 29 12:14:19 :p Sep 29 12:14:54 lilstevie: get one of these babies, http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4s Sep 29 12:14:57 so worth it Sep 29 12:14:59 :P Sep 29 12:15:02 and tmpfs builds <3 Sep 29 12:15:34 Stskeeps, yeah, and only 59 euro :p Sep 29 12:15:43 * lilstevie is a full time student Sep 29 12:16:23 lilstevie: just wait until you make it into professional mobile linux, lotsa money in it :P Sep 29 12:16:47 I wonder if that 16 core 99$ arm board on kickstarter could be made to use the extra cores for building; might be a fun cluster Sep 29 12:16:52 Stskeeps, I won't have that problem, I am studying to be a teacher :p Sep 29 12:17:00 I think they're more like the PS3, where it has 2 cores and a dozen SPEs Sep 29 12:17:29 lilstevie: in my company people we have two educated medical doctors on staff, they chose to go into mobile linux instead :P Sep 29 12:17:47 stroughtonsmith, I am certainly interested in it Sep 29 12:17:50 Stskeeps: you working with jolla these days? Sep 29 12:18:01 stroughtonsmith: yeah, fantastic company to be with Sep 29 12:18:04 Stskeeps, I am nowhere near good enough of a programmer to do it professionally :) Sep 29 12:18:10 i can't wait to see what you guys are working on Sep 29 12:18:39 one of these days i should really try to put webos 'web runtime' on top of mer.. Sep 29 12:18:53 considering how much it has in common with mer stack and how screwed up tizen is.. Sep 29 12:18:56 :P Sep 29 12:19:47 funny how Intel is the common thread here :P Sep 29 12:20:05 in this particular case intel isn't the bad party Sep 29 12:20:05 :P Sep 29 12:20:08 haha Sep 29 12:21:48 it feels wrong to have Tizen, FirefoxOS, (BlackBerry 10, etc), in a world where Harmattan doesn't survive Sep 29 12:22:32 firefox os is an interesting path, bb10 and at least webos is actually open.. Sep 29 12:22:35 harmattan is awesome, only thing that stopped me from getting an N9 instead of the Lumia was the fact it has a dead OS Sep 29 12:22:49 pff :P semantics Sep 29 12:23:06 where you say dead, I see 'rare' and 'AWESOME' Sep 29 12:23:17 heh Sep 29 12:23:33 BB10 is great in theory. But on the device beside me its so nasty Sep 29 12:23:40 stroughtonsmith, as a dev device though it was a dead end Sep 29 12:24:01 lilstevie: maybe; I'd argue I've made more money on Harmattan than on Symbian Sep 29 12:24:03 looking forward to seeing what webos will be put on, and what challenges it'll have for porting Sep 29 12:24:07 non-android adaptations are -rare- Sep 29 12:24:08 :P Sep 29 12:24:55 stroughtonsmith, given my history of taking months to get something functional together, and my current track record of only ever getting one app out the door, not a safe bet :p Sep 29 12:25:06 webOS will need a commercial interest for consumers to evolve; I'm afraid it will languish in no-mans land if there are no consumer-quality adaptations Sep 29 12:25:30 I hope Gram is doing something special Sep 29 12:25:45 skunkworks device reboot Sep 29 12:25:53 or version for windows 8 touch devices Sep 29 12:27:17 stroughtonsmith, apps might actually be profitable though if I ever moved out of freeland :p Sep 29 12:27:29 lilstevie: lol Sep 29 12:27:57 free and commercial can coexist ;-) you don't have to pick a side, you know Sep 29 12:28:10 while wheelie is fun and all that it makes literally no money, and takes all my free time Sep 29 12:28:36 did you ever get that exploit working on Nexus 7 ? Sep 29 12:28:51 we are in testing Sep 29 12:28:55 neat Sep 29 12:29:09 that would obviously be a smart webOS target Sep 29 12:29:24 asus closed us up a bit with the latest updates :/ so that kinda diverted attention Sep 29 12:32:54 ugh untar faster! Sep 29 12:34:15 I'm an idiot. Sep 29 12:34:22 why? Sep 29 12:34:27 I forgot the -f flag Sep 29 12:34:37 heh Sep 29 12:35:00 *headdesk* Sep 29 12:43:06 wow i really need redbull. I'd screwed up the command again Sep 29 12:43:12 now it's done. in like 30 seconds Sep 29 12:43:12 lol Sep 29 12:44:24 oh hey Sep 29 12:44:25 UI Sep 29 12:44:26 :D Sep 29 12:44:36 heh Sep 29 12:44:39 pics? Sep 29 12:44:53 let me test it a bit Sep 29 12:44:58 heh Sep 29 12:45:09 how long did it take to build Sep 29 12:45:14 it might have met my patched db8 and barfed Sep 29 12:46:02 well I started it like 18 hours ago Sep 29 12:46:13 but i had a few build issues, restarted a couple times, fixed bugs Sep 29 12:46:14 etc Sep 29 12:47:10 ok. I know it boots Sep 29 12:47:21 now all I need to do is patch db8's assembly Sep 29 12:47:27 i have problem while building db8, it conplains {standard input}:3366: Error: selected processor does not support ARM mode `ldrex r2,[r6]' Sep 29 12:47:28 or rebuild with armv7 Sep 29 12:47:33 panda-z: yep! Sep 29 12:47:40 you're building qemuarm which is armv5 Sep 29 12:47:46 which doesn't have ldrex or strex Sep 29 12:48:11 so either you mod MojLinuxInternal.h in db8 to replace the assembly Sep 29 12:48:16 or you target armv7 instead Sep 29 12:48:23 stroughtonsmith: did you meet this? Sep 29 12:48:27 yep Sep 29 12:49:45 stroughtonsmith: i want to run it in qemu, what should i do? thanks :) Sep 29 12:50:41 pic on twitter lilstevie Sep 29 12:50:49 stroughtonsmith, are you targeting armv7el or armhf Sep 29 12:50:49 stroughtonsmith: both way works? Sep 29 12:50:57 panda-z: uh, I don't know tbh. I rewrote the assembly in c Sep 29 12:51:02 lilstevie: armv5 Sep 29 12:51:12 stroughtonsmith, ah ok Sep 29 12:51:45 * lilstevie has a personal preference towards armhf Sep 29 12:52:03 yeah I'm gonna delete my build folder and start again shortly Sep 29 12:55:19 heh Sep 29 12:55:45 I would, but the build will take to long Sep 29 12:56:08 * aaa801 stumbles in Sep 29 12:56:24 aloha aaa801 Sep 29 12:56:31 :3 Sep 29 12:56:39 did you finish your battle with asm :D? Sep 29 12:56:50 got a successful build and boot, now deleting build folder and rebuilding for cortex a9 Sep 29 12:57:15 huzzah Sep 29 12:57:19 what about the gui Sep 29 12:57:43 works; I think ripping out the assembly makes it hang in the first boot accounts setup tho Sep 29 12:57:46 stroughtonsmith: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/12090012.jpg .. progress Sep 29 12:57:49 (touchpad) Sep 29 12:57:53 so rather than fixing db8 I'm starting over for armv7 Sep 29 12:58:12 is that mer on a touchpad? Sep 29 12:58:15 yes Sep 29 12:58:17 with libhybris Sep 29 12:58:17 nope Sep 29 12:58:19 you've got gl working Sep 29 12:58:19 and qt5 Sep 29 12:58:20 it hangs on that for me Sep 29 12:58:24 so you're using snapdragon egl? Sep 29 12:58:28 for android Sep 29 12:58:29 ? Sep 29 12:58:33 stroughtonsmith: sure, didn't you see my qmlscene demo? Sep 29 12:58:44 I saw your binary translation stuff yeah Sep 29 12:58:54 very cool Sep 29 12:58:56 Ok soo, why is it hanging on the dam accounts screen? Sep 29 12:59:03 reminds me of MeeGo as it was 2 years ago :D Sep 29 12:59:06 (lol) Sep 29 12:59:10 stroughtonsmith: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hvRP3rcF9o is latest exploits Sep 29 12:59:20 aaa801: I was assuming because Accounts requires db8 to work? :) Sep 29 12:59:25 stroughtonsmith: rpi also hands on it Sep 29 12:59:28 =/ Sep 29 12:59:31 hangs Sep 29 12:59:35 oh. Sep 29 12:59:41 that's interesting Sep 29 12:59:52 the progress thing spins about 2 times Sep 29 12:59:52 let me plug in a keyboard and check the other screen Sep 29 12:59:52 stroughtonsmith: scales up to 1024x768 too, just this was my first video Sep 29 12:59:54 then freezes Sep 29 13:00:09 yeah mine resized to 1280x800 Sep 29 13:00:38 aaa801, is the pi build armv5 or armv6 though Sep 29 13:00:48 armv6-vfp Sep 29 13:00:52 hm Sep 29 13:01:08 I can always disable the first boot stuff Sep 29 13:01:12 and see if that makes a diff Sep 29 13:01:26 would be interesting to get some diagnostics of it Sep 29 13:01:56 webos didnt bring up the network interface properly on my pi =/ Sep 29 13:02:09 so i couldnt ssh in to dmesg it Sep 29 13:03:03 I wonder if it brings up novaterm Sep 29 13:04:15 no devices showing up Sep 29 13:04:43 * aaa801 goes off to play tf2 Sep 29 13:04:52 hmm maybe adb would work Sep 29 13:05:21 stroughtonsmith, which kernel is that with Sep 29 13:05:26 your public one Sep 29 13:05:51 the one at http://lilstevie.geek.nz/downloads? or built from git Sep 29 13:06:10 I didn't build it, no Sep 29 13:06:18 ok, adb should be fine then Sep 29 13:06:27 yeah would need to add it to the rootfs Sep 29 13:06:28 on the 3.x kernels adb is a little bit of a pain Sep 29 13:06:48 on 3.x it needs some sysfs poking to be done to set up the interface Sep 29 13:07:30 need to find a copy of adb server Sep 29 13:07:36 adbd Sep 29 13:07:53 and I'm armv5 Sep 29 13:07:54 crud Sep 29 13:08:21 and I'd need to run it on boot Sep 29 13:08:23 bah nvm Sep 29 13:08:29 I'll just rebuild Sep 29 13:15:08 * lilstevie is going to set up a build env Sep 29 13:15:27 :D Sep 29 13:15:36 webos has always interested me, but I never had a chance to get a touchpad Sep 29 13:15:48 the day they released here was the day the firesale happened Sep 29 13:15:57 and I was at uni all morning Sep 29 13:16:03 and a lot of people got a ncie new android device ¬ ¬ Sep 29 13:16:12 leaving webos ppl kinda shit out of luck :| Sep 29 13:16:30 I was actually interested in one for webos :( Sep 29 13:16:35 I kinda hate android :p Sep 29 13:16:50 all my android devices have been converted to running linux at some point Sep 29 13:16:57 o Sep 29 13:17:40 i was surprised ocne looking for a spare on ebay, only to see the seller, selling the touchpad as a cm9 device with webos removed / hidden away :( Sep 29 13:17:50 heh Sep 29 13:18:22 suppose their cheap enough atm, im just not confident i wouldnt buy a lemon/broken/cracked one Sep 29 13:19:01 lots seem to get cracks on theirs, mien did a month ago at logn last, not due to wear n tear tho, might have something to do with dropping it all the time when reading in bed Sep 29 13:19:19 tiny crack on speaker grill, just glued it and cant tell anymore :) Sep 29 13:25:04 the android build for rpi has adb Sep 29 13:27:22 oh interesting Sep 29 13:27:30 it's not hung on Welcome Sep 29 13:27:41 the clock is updating in the menubar Sep 29 13:35:50 I'm going to set up a dedicated ubuntu box for this methinks Sep 29 13:55:26 heh Sep 29 13:55:29 interesting Sep 29 13:57:07 I've started a build Sep 29 13:57:51 but I don't think it is everything :/ Sep 29 14:03:25 lilstevie: build for what? Sep 29 14:03:41 if you're doing an arm build you want to do Sep 29 14:03:42 nano openembedded-core/meta/conf/machine/qemuarm.conf Sep 29 14:03:43 require conf/machine/include/tune-cortexa9.inc Sep 29 14:03:49 instead of the require it has Sep 29 14:04:06 stroughtonsmith, I actually created my own machine conf ;) Sep 29 14:04:13 ok! Sep 29 14:04:57 but NOTE: Running task 2628 of 3875 seems kinda low Sep 29 14:05:15 ? Sep 29 14:05:22 1888/3920 here Sep 29 14:05:31 hm Sep 29 14:05:56 wonder what the 45 packages you have that I don't are :p Sep 29 14:06:14 but anyway I actually thought it would be a lot more Sep 29 14:06:30 it varies for different people I've seen Sep 29 14:06:34 haha Sep 29 14:06:47 this build is going much faster than yesterdays Sep 29 14:06:49 :p Sep 29 14:06:49 8 cores help Sep 29 14:07:11 I'm only on 4 Sep 29 14:10:36 2414/3920 :D Sep 29 14:11:27 2753/3875 Sep 29 14:16:07 lilstevie: when did you start the build? Sep 29 14:16:28 um, 45minutes ago? Sep 29 14:16:46 seems fast. My vm yesterday was super slow Sep 29 14:17:19 well this isn't in vm Sep 29 14:17:23 yeah Sep 29 14:17:28 but also I have quite a large ccache Sep 29 14:17:31 not a vm fan here Sep 29 14:18:02 It is nice for playing around but I'd never try to do any serious build work in one Sep 29 14:18:22 I don't have a spare ubuntu box to compile on :) Sep 29 14:18:30 not with enough cores or disk space Sep 29 14:18:54 yeah i was going to say.. i have lots of spare boxes, but the biggest one is dual core :) Sep 29 14:19:17 or is it :/ Sep 29 14:19:18 I like JUST put a 2TB hdd in this one :p Sep 29 14:19:32 but it is my 27" imac Sep 29 14:20:00 I have an older i7 MBP but it's only quad core, and has a slow disk in it Sep 29 14:20:14 I thought there were issues doing builds on a mac Sep 29 14:20:14 maybe there's a cheap htpc with an 8 core i7 in it Sep 29 14:20:24 Ubuntu vm… ;P Sep 29 14:20:34 oh yeah that vm thing again :D Sep 29 14:22:45 do you know if it is possible to install gnome 2 on ubuntu 12.04? Sep 29 14:23:02 anot a fan of the new gnome? Sep 29 14:23:07 unity sucks and gnome 3 isn't any better Sep 29 14:23:22 Grabber5_0: there are replacements based on the old version Sep 29 14:23:26 no fan here :) Sep 29 14:23:45 Grabber5_0, iMac but running 12.04 cause the past few versions of OS X have not been the best on it Sep 29 14:24:04 I am running Maverick right now (10.10) Sep 29 14:24:17 can't remember when they switched Sep 29 14:24:35 well Sep 29 14:24:42 if you upgrade you can use cinnamon Sep 29 14:24:47 its based on the old gnome Sep 29 14:28:23 stroughtonsmith: I didn't find MojLinuxInternal.h. where is it? Sep 29 14:32:06 db8 /inc/core/internal or something Sep 29 14:32:16 when your build fails it will point you to the path Sep 29 14:32:25 k Sep 29 14:32:26 it's named something like that Sep 29 14:32:35 what device are you building for? Sep 29 14:33:05 ugh build error, and too much effort to fix at this time of night Sep 29 14:33:17 stroughtonsmith: qemuarm Sep 29 14:33:23 ah Sep 29 14:33:27 ok so yeah Sep 29 14:33:36 I guess replace the assembly? Sep 29 14:33:48 I dunno, I did something but I have no clue whether it worked or not Sep 29 14:33:56 (as webos hangs in the UI anyway) Sep 29 14:34:25 it's atomically setting a number Sep 29 14:34:29 the code Sep 29 14:34:53 I don't know enough arm asm to rewrite the lot in C Sep 29 14:39:04 stroughtonsmith: I've found the MojOsLinuxInternal.h, but have no idea how to modify it :-( Sep 29 14:39:33 yeah, so I guess someone with armv6 assembly skills would help :P Sep 29 14:40:10 maybe i should report a bug on JIRA... Sep 29 14:45:17 ooh there's a bug tracker? Sep 29 14:45:21 I didn't realize, would have filed Sep 29 14:46:25 stroughtonsmith: yup, https://jira.openwebosproject.org Sep 29 14:48:04 https://jira.openwebosproject.org/browse/OW-35 Sep 29 14:49:14 ah, there's someone who met the same problem Sep 29 14:49:41 I've +1d it, and added a comment Sep 29 14:49:47 good to do the same perhaps Sep 29 14:52:09 stroughtonsmith: i'll +1d that, too. hope it can be resolved soon. Sep 29 14:59:01 ugh, machine locked up. what did I miss? Sep 29 15:07:47 stroughtonsmith, nothing :) Sep 29 15:08:00 :D Sep 29 15:08:07 now I have to continue my build Sep 29 15:08:11 cause it took the vm down with it Sep 29 15:08:11 lol Sep 29 15:08:15 lol Sep 29 15:09:52 you said your build failed? Sep 29 15:09:53 where? Sep 29 15:12:11 still figuring that part out, I just saw failed and thought it is past midnight Sep 29 15:12:41 midnight? when has midnight ever stopped you before? :D Sep 29 15:14:15 haha Sep 29 15:14:28 uhoh, build error Sep 29 15:14:38 you mean those times where I have still been working away at 5am Sep 29 15:15:01 that the gf now gets angry about :p Sep 29 15:16:17 ergh Sep 29 15:16:18 | ERROR: Function failed: do_compile (see /media/ade45380-9c81-46a7-888a-5fedf84c48aa/openwebos/build-webos/BUILD-qemuarm/work/armv7a-vfp-neon-webos-linux-gnueabi/gcc-runtime-4.7.1+svnr188658-r5/temp/log.do_compile.2845 for further information) Sep 29 15:16:50 ERROR: Logfile of failure stored in: /home/steven/webos/build-webos/BUILD-tf201/work/armv7a-vfp-neon-webos-linux-gnueabi/qt4-webos-4.8.2.03-1.00-r6/temp/log.do_compile.8220 Sep 29 15:16:55 yeah I read it Sep 29 15:16:59 I can't actually find the error Sep 29 15:17:00 hmm Sep 29 15:17:28 some egl header issue :/ Sep 29 15:17:59 oh you turned on gl in qt? Sep 29 15:19:01 I don't think so :/ Sep 29 15:20:20 I did a clean on libstdc++, letting it build again. maybe my power outage hurt it Sep 29 15:23:42 heh hd2 Sep 29 15:23:47 why not, right? Sep 29 15:23:49 that thing is a beast of a device, even now Sep 29 15:23:54 * lilstevie should charge his Sep 29 15:24:15 well it's a super easy one to get things running on Sep 29 15:24:25 I had all sorts of stuff for the meego builds Sep 29 15:24:28 including gl Sep 29 15:24:45 it just boots an os image from a loopback image on the sd card Sep 29 15:25:05 yeah, I've been using it as part of my distcc cluster for kernel builds Sep 29 15:25:19 cause my tf201 kernels are built on arm hardware Sep 29 15:25:38 damn Sep 29 15:25:43 what a slow way of doing it :P Sep 29 15:26:03 I'm following the "proper" way for building packages Sep 29 15:26:11 but every little bit of cpu power helps Sep 29 15:26:12 makes sense Sep 29 15:26:20 so hence the interest in that 16 core monster Sep 29 15:26:26 yeah Sep 29 15:26:30 I get the feeling those cores will need an api to use tho Sep 29 15:26:36 not just application code Sep 29 15:26:39 at the moment I have a trimslice controlling my builds Sep 29 15:26:42 and yeah :( Sep 29 15:26:52 if so though hope someone gets gcc working with it Sep 29 15:27:03 such a pity larrabee never went anywhere Sep 29 15:27:11 intel's massively multicore x86 gpu Sep 29 15:27:46 also: good news! my build is back on track Sep 29 15:27:50 cleaning libstdc++ worked Sep 29 15:27:55 hey! i have just installed lunace and tweaks. lunace starts up fine, however tweaks gets stuck at "Scanning installed tweaks..." Sep 29 15:28:26 great, good to hear Sep 29 15:28:34 kinda interested in your build here :p Sep 29 15:29:14 anyone know what could be causing this? Sep 29 15:29:30 and at least it doesn't hit the failures that chromiumos does on the tf201 Sep 29 15:29:36 lilstevie: oh sure, I'll post a rootfs when this finishes Sep 29 15:30:05 stroughtonsmith, that was actually my biggest fear, chromiumos dies hard and without so much as a hint of why Sep 29 15:32:08 you should talk to @hexxeh Sep 29 15:32:40 he can be rather hard to get hold of Sep 29 15:32:57 but he said he would rather u-boot be working first last time I spoke to him Sep 29 15:32:58 :D Sep 29 15:33:00 he was at I/O Sep 29 15:33:46 heh, yeah last time I spoke to him was just before he left for I/O Sep 29 15:35:42 stroughtonsmith: lilstevie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3Jz-lAGK4&feature=player_embedded#! Sep 29 15:36:48 that qt font issue looks identical to the font issues meego had back in 2010 Sep 29 15:37:07 hi folks. great job on your first OWO 1.0 port, even if it was a proof of concept! Sep 29 15:37:13 stroughtonsmith: yeah Sep 29 15:37:29 Stskeeps: nice fluid scrolling tho Sep 29 15:37:33 even if it is upsidedownface Sep 29 15:37:48 stroughtonsmith: 1024x768 at 32bpp, qml2 scenegraph, yeah, it better be performing :P Sep 29 15:38:13 stroughtonsmith: how are things coming now that you have a gui to play with? Sep 29 15:38:41 k4ever: oh it doesn't do much right now… I'm working on a fresh build Sep 29 15:39:17 Stskeeps, very nice Sep 29 15:39:29 the ui is impressively fluid Sep 29 15:39:37 for scrolling Sep 29 15:39:45 yeah, and using android GPU drivers straight Sep 29 15:39:49 which is <3 Sep 29 15:39:58 that is pretty cool Sep 29 15:40:02 stroughtonsmith: i'd really like to get some instructions from you on how to boot this on an android phone. i have an old motorola photon that is just screaming for this. Sep 29 15:40:16 k4ever: yeah it's not at that kind of stage yet :P Sep 29 15:41:19 darn. oh well, waited this long... Sep 29 15:42:07 i'm building the desktop version on my computer right now to play with. Sep 29 15:50:24 anyone got the new desktop version built already? Sep 29 15:54:04 i saw in the demo that there were apps already available for it. i was wondering if anyone could confirm that? Sep 29 16:00:48 ok, the desktop build is done. Sep 29 16:02:41 stroughtonsmith, well, bedtime for me here :p let me know how it goes, and pm me a link to the tarball if you get a chance :) Sep 29 16:02:52 night mate Sep 29 16:02:55 will do Sep 29 16:12:01 ok. the desktop build crashes when i run the browser. also my account information and old stuff from old build are still there. Sep 29 16:43:35 ugh my tinyxml keeps failing on build Sep 29 16:47:01 looks like I need this: https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos/commit/b9286254efd7d4e2d815ae1f5d7f4d0364c242c3 Sep 29 16:47:12 and it worked. phew. Sep 29 16:48:21 ka6sox: flagging the above couple messages for anybody who runs into it later Sep 29 17:33:27 stroughtonsmith, thanks! Sep 29 17:48:01 += https://jira.openwebosproject.org/browse/OW-36 Sep 29 18:19:01 stroughtonsmith: any luck? Sep 29 18:19:15 3291/3920 here on the armv7 build Sep 29 18:19:24 see my transformer picture? Sep 29 18:19:48 http://twitpic.com/azewzl Sep 29 18:20:39 ye your about as far as i am =/ Sep 29 18:20:50 ok Sep 29 18:20:55 * aaa801 wanders off to watch dr who Sep 29 18:20:56 :3 Sep 29 18:21:33 oh yeah that's on now isn't it Sep 29 18:21:38 to the BBC! Sep 29 18:24:07 Quick question, I bought the Nexus S 4G because it was completely compatible with the AOSP. Is the Galaxy Nexus just being used as a proof of concept and then it shouldn't be long to port to the rest of the AOSP phones, or is it better to just upgrade to the galaxy Nexus? Sep 29 18:25:00 ShamedGod: I'm gonna see what runs on the Nexus S at some stage, but no idea what an official target is for webOS on a handset Sep 29 18:27:07 Open WebOS has no "official" targets other than desktop and qemu targets Sep 29 18:28:03 WebOS Ports has announced a port to Google Nexus Sep 29 18:28:33 not nexus S, Nexus One, S III, S II :D Sep 29 18:28:46 Thank you. I thought it would be as simple as taking the android kernel, loading webos on top, and it would be simple with the open sourced drivers. But after trolling the Chanel seems like I was greatly mistaken... my frankenpre broke, and I just can't wait to get ride of android. Sep 29 18:29:02 what open source drivers..? Sep 29 18:29:16 they're very specific per-chipset/device, of which there are many Sep 29 18:29:32 graphics drivers specifically Sep 29 18:29:52 if you go to the AOSP project the Nexus S and Nexus S 4G are all open sourced drivers, but they are build for the android kernal Sep 29 18:30:35 ShamedGod, have you seen what Stskeeps is doing? Sep 29 18:30:58 I skimmed the chanel Sep 29 18:31:21 and looked on the pages. A lot has happened in 24 hours Sep 29 18:34:01 But no, I don't think him specifically. Sep 29 18:34:03 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ Sep 29 18:34:38 look for 'libhybris' Sep 29 18:35:29 you mean the MeeGo project? I just googled it Sep 29 18:37:34 mer Sep 29 18:39:22 That's cool, I thought they already had the ACL for webos though? This is just for hardware driver support then? Sep 29 18:40:53 that is the goal... Sep 29 18:45:30 ShamedGod: ACL has not been released Sep 29 18:47:29 I know, but it was reported working. If they are waiting for people to pay for it many would. Sep 29 18:48:44 it was reported working a LONG time ago Sep 29 18:48:57 by just them Sep 29 18:52:17 so, i'm at the ohio linux fest…just talked to Phil Robb from HP Sep 29 18:52:26 nice guy. a little light on wanting to give out information. Sep 29 18:52:33 but i got a feel for what's in store for webOS Sep 29 18:52:53 also, good job on getting the vzw gnex up and running. i'm VERY interested in testing this for you. Sep 29 18:53:36 wb HaDAk, my apologies for the issue we had last time you were on Sep 29 18:53:46 also fyi it's not a VZW GNex, it's a GSM one Sep 29 18:54:04 what happened in the last 24 hours? someone else get another device running? Sep 29 18:54:07 ShiftyAxel: i may have over-reacted. sometimes i need a minute to cool off. your apologizes are accepted and appreciated. Sep 29 18:54:14 Is it good things up the road with HP or are they waiting for potential partner actions? Sep 29 18:54:18 i didn't realize it was GSM. what's preventing us from getting it going on the VZW? Sep 29 18:54:21 hey HaDAk you're back Sep 29 18:54:33 EricBlade, i'm at the ohio linux fest. presenting at 6pm. Sep 29 18:54:45 well, neat. what are you presenting? Sep 29 18:54:49 HaDAk: CDMA stuff I believe, I'm not sure if the internal hardware (save for modem) is far different Sep 29 18:54:50 Gaming in Linux Sep 29 18:55:03 screw that, show them webOS Sep 29 18:55:07 ShiftyAxel, it just so happens that the radio doesn't work on the GSM one yet, right? Sep 29 18:55:14 gaming in linux is about the same place it was 10, and 15 years ago. Sep 29 18:55:17 EricBlade, Phil Robb already did that. good presentation. Sep 29 18:55:26 EricBlade, you'd be surprised how much it's not Sep 29 18:55:33 I believe there's FOSS software for doing GSM radio, but not for CDMA ones Sep 29 18:55:35 afaik Sep 29 18:55:42 cdma is not as open as gsm Sep 29 18:55:47 it's still tuxracer, quake, and no one else making squat. except for Valve, has Valve released yet? Sep 29 18:55:59 I don't think steam for linux is out yet Sep 29 18:56:11 not yet. Sep 29 18:56:13 it's in beta though Sep 29 18:56:15 kinda. Sep 29 18:56:18 once Valve releases, you may have something to talk about :) Sep 29 18:56:27 EricBlade, you should come to my presentation :P Sep 29 18:56:37 because they aren't going to release with anything less than a countable number of games Sep 29 18:56:46 EricBlade, http://prezi.com/ijgfagohsbpu/gaming-in-linux/ Sep 29 18:56:51 brb Sep 29 18:57:07 HaDAk: i get enough of linux at my job, it's driving me nuts already :D Sep 29 18:57:08 hopefully they can push to get as many source games updated to the linux-supported version as possible Sep 29 19:05:13 hiya HaDAk Sep 29 19:06:01 HaDAk, we would need the modem protocol reverse engineered Sep 29 19:06:04 (for VZW) Sep 29 19:06:08 :( Sep 29 19:06:10 dr who was sad Sep 29 19:06:21 aaa801, don't tell me! Sep 29 19:06:30 You must watch D: Sep 29 19:06:42 ka6sox, it's not available *at all*? is it something HP can contribute? Sep 29 19:07:14 to my knowledge it has not been done....yet..and as for HP..I doubt. Sep 29 19:07:42 hum Sep 29 19:07:44 well, balls. Sep 29 19:07:53 ka6sox: what are we discussing exactly? Sep 29 19:07:53 i'd still like it running. more importantly, i'd like to dual boot. Sep 29 19:07:56 said the Queen Sep 29 19:08:12 i'd like to boot to android only to make calls. which i hardly ever do. Sep 29 19:08:19 webos for ALL the things i usually do Sep 29 19:08:31 EricBlade, getting WebOS running (including phone) on a GNex for VZW Sep 29 19:08:45 3308/3920 here on the armv7 build Sep 29 19:08:50 EricBlade, did you start your new job? Sep 29 19:08:53 for the cortex a9 ye? Sep 29 19:09:06 aaa801, yes, its a OMAP4 Sep 29 19:09:26 huh :s Sep 29 19:09:32 aaa801: yes Sep 29 19:09:45 sanity didnt murder you this time stroughtonsmith? Sep 29 19:09:46 HaDAk: sure did.. don't you follow me on twitter? Sep 29 19:09:58 aaa801: no I did a fully clean build Sep 29 19:10:00 someone needs to make me this http://imgur.com/a/pNYSf Sep 29 19:10:01 EricBlade, haven't been paying much attention to twitter lately. been busy with my new job. Sep 29 19:10:04 I had to mod tinyxml to work tho Sep 29 19:10:13 there's a pull request not yet integrated into the OW code Sep 29 19:10:17 aha Sep 29 19:10:17 HaDAk: ohh.. yeah. https://twitter.com/ekdikeo/status/251918247618813952/photo/1 Sep 29 19:10:35 no. shit. Sep 29 19:10:41 what division? Sep 29 19:10:47 what do you think :) Sep 29 19:10:56 are you fucking kidding me? Sep 29 19:11:01 in michigan? can't be in michigan... Sep 29 19:11:03 in michigan?? Sep 29 19:11:10 no Sep 29 19:11:13 no Sep 29 19:11:18 T.T Sep 29 19:11:33 aaa801, send it over Sep 29 19:11:40 are you moving to cali? Sep 29 19:11:53 ka6sox: ? Sep 29 19:12:02 HaDAk: not sure Sep 29 19:12:16 EricBlade, huge congrats! i'm extremely jealous. i'd leave my post for a webos job any day. Sep 29 19:12:22 although, this new job is sweeeeet. Sep 29 19:12:54 ka6sox: as far as that modem goes .. i don't know if things maybe go similarly to what they did in some days gone by, but many AMPS cellular modems, once you had their drivers, simply provided a serial port and a super-extended Hayes command set Sep 29 19:12:57 aaa801, the sammich Sep 29 19:13:04 it feels so weird seeing the HP logo on that wall Sep 29 19:13:06 noes ka6sox you have to make it for me Sep 29 19:13:07 ;) Sep 29 19:13:15 the pics of me beside it show palm Sep 29 19:13:19 https://twitter.com/HaDAk/status/250199431868190720 Sep 29 19:13:34 aaa801, even if I did it would be stale when it got to you. Sep 29 19:13:40 mhm Sep 29 19:13:46 stroughtonsmith: :( Sep 29 19:13:49 cant we just ship ka6sox down to me =/ Sep 29 19:14:06 I hung up my rain slicker for good... Sep 29 19:14:39 aaa801, can't you just go to the Pub and getone? Sep 29 19:15:02 EricBlade, right...we need someone to do that...but its not been done Sep 29 19:15:10 (to my knowledge) Sep 29 19:15:29 I know... scoutcamper|away always is asking about this...he can do it :D Sep 29 19:19:11 aaa801, do you have A1 sauce? Sep 29 19:19:14 EricBlade: http://highcaffeinecontent.com/cloud/images/f6e8022f2deac598dddb20416094915d.jpg - just a week after the original PrÄ“ launch Sep 29 19:19:29 ka6sox: what is a1 sauce :S Sep 29 19:20:51 I loved my launch day PrÄ“ Sep 29 19:21:01 I am upset that the hardware was so dated when it came out :( Sep 29 19:21:41 that was one of the criteria for selecting a new target... Sep 29 19:21:47 4.9.10 has a funny bug, my friend just found. Sep 29 19:22:05 Dual-Core, 1GB RAM minimum, etc.. Sep 29 19:22:32 she's reading a webpage, and tried to scroll up. accidentally initiated the wave launcher… hit the app drawer icon, then got frustrated and hit the app drawer icon again. the launcher stayed above the browser Sep 29 19:22:36 the Pre is just so....dated... Sep 29 19:22:52 stroughtonsmith: nice :) unfortunately, those buildings are now printer people. Sep 29 19:23:00 HaDAk, would you mind writing that up for us on issues? Sep 29 19:23:00 :( Sep 29 19:23:10 ka6sox, i thought i had to have three people repeat it? :P Sep 29 19:23:27 i hope the opening of webos results in people jumping ship to it Sep 29 19:23:29 thats a good description! Sep 29 19:23:53 bikcmp, like rats jumping ONTO a ship? Sep 29 19:23:59 fine fine. i'll submit it ^^ Sep 29 19:25:12 HaDAk, much appreciated. Sep 29 19:25:26 you provided a good proceedure to recreate. Sep 29 19:26:02 http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/219 Sep 29 19:26:53 HaDAk, much apprciated Sep 29 19:27:38 my pleasure. Sep 29 19:27:48 3501/3920… so close Sep 29 19:28:13 I'll stick my rootfs on dropbox in case anybody wants a kickstart Sep 29 19:29:21 stroughtonsmith, are you compiling open webos? Sep 29 19:29:25 yes Sep 29 19:29:32 mobile or desktop? Sep 29 19:29:37 openembedded Sep 29 19:29:46 excellent. Sep 29 19:29:52 i'm going to *Try* to get it running on my mac in x11 Sep 29 19:30:10 that sounds like a chore :D Sep 29 19:30:24 +1 stroughtonsmith Sep 29 19:30:36 finding all the libs and that malarkey will be 'fun' Sep 29 19:30:54 I wish you luck though, it'd be sweet to be able to fudge luna in OSX Sep 29 19:31:13 I remember the /early/ luna stuff, when it ran natively on OS X and you had to run the apps in Safari Sep 29 19:31:15 good times! Sep 29 19:31:39 how early are we talking? Sep 29 19:31:42 that sounds -really- early Sep 29 19:31:45 before the pre launch Sep 29 19:31:48 announce* Sep 29 19:31:55 so 2008 Sep 29 19:34:10 LOL Sep 29 19:34:12 that didn't go well Sep 29 19:34:12 Hans-Kokxs-MacBook-Pro:build-desktop hkokx$ ./build-webos-desktop.sh Sep 29 19:34:13 grep: /proc/cpuinfo: No such file or directory Sep 29 19:34:19 that was quick :P Sep 29 19:34:23 lmao Sep 29 19:34:29 i'll have to mess with it later Sep 29 19:34:43 looks like a new .sh might be required Sep 29 19:34:49 yeah, no kiddin Sep 29 19:34:52 /proc/cpuinfo would be nice too Sep 29 19:35:29 I doubt there's a way of hacking that in since it's a linux thing, would probably have to configure it to use whatever OSX's equivalent is Sep 29 19:35:39 macports might be helpful in getting the required libs Sep 29 19:36:06 yeah Sep 29 19:36:11 i'll look at it closer in my free time Sep 29 19:36:43 ok lunch time bbl Sep 29 20:13:36 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Sep 29 20:13:58 indeed Sep 29 20:14:07 PatrickC: nice to see you too :P Sep 29 20:14:22 hey invalidopcode :P Sep 29 20:14:29 been out of town, disconnected from the interwebs Sep 29 20:14:42 was super happy to see what i saw when i got back into coverage :P Sep 29 20:14:44 pretty sweet news to come back to then? :) Sep 29 20:15:02 yes :) Sep 29 20:15:11 when can i expect it to run on my Bold 9650? Sep 29 20:15:17 hehehe Sep 29 20:15:21 yeah I came home from school yesterday to the same great news :P Sep 29 20:15:33 I was so happy I actually picked up my Pre3 :P Sep 29 20:15:49 WHA?! you picked up a webOS device again? :P Sep 29 20:15:57 * PatrickC is back to running his Pre2 daily.. Sep 29 20:16:04 hoping that OWOS will eventually run on it ;) Sep 29 20:16:16 yes.. I let my Lumia 800 leave the palm of my hand, and actually picked up a webos device :P Sep 29 20:16:41 I mean, I like my 800.. But webOS is still wayyyyyy better then WP will ever be Sep 29 20:17:16 I tend to disagree ;) but that's a conversation for another time Sep 29 20:17:42 I think you'll find that's a conversation for webos-offtopic, PatrickC, invalidopcode Sep 29 20:17:54 ShiftyAxel: gotcha Sep 29 20:17:55 * ka6sox concurs Sep 29 20:17:55 feel free to start a debate in there, I say it'd be interesting :D Sep 29 20:18:07 what's the chance of getting OWOS on a current webOS device? ;) Sep 29 20:18:15 or is there a page on the site about that yet? Sep 29 20:18:44 pull request? :p Sep 29 20:18:49 I think its called "its whenever you do it yourself" :P Sep 29 20:18:58 exactly Sep 29 20:19:39 PatrickC, what do you mean...you KNOW our ETA Policy Sep 29 20:20:13 the drivers are closed-source, for starters, it's a much more sensible investment of -ports' time to port to devices with more readily-available documentation Sep 29 20:20:18 ka6sox: i mean, would it even run on the old webOS hardware Sep 29 20:20:34 PatrickC, you KNOW our ETA Policy Sep 29 20:20:42 i know the ETA policy Sep 29 20:20:47 was wondering if it was even possible Sep 29 20:20:49 Blue Sky is for -offtopic Sep 29 20:21:13 ok Sep 29 20:22:08 blue sky? Sep 29 20:22:30 "what if" "it would be nice if" Sep 29 20:23:04 "Main Entry: blue-sky thinking, Part of Speech: n, Definition: original or creative thinking, unfettered by convention and not grounded in reality" Sep 29 20:23:35 ah okay i see Sep 29 20:23:46 you learn something new every day :P Sep 29 20:24:27 unfettered by convention and not grounded in reality Sep 29 20:24:51 ah Sep 29 20:25:38 wasn't there a discussion about LunaCE on legacy phones at one point? Sep 29 20:25:59 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/LunaCE_on_Pre3 Sep 29 20:26:44 that was a port that was investigated and determined to fail for the reasons stated. Sep 29 20:27:23 I would welcome attempts (legit not "discussion about how nice it would be" to any legacy device. Sep 29 20:27:39 "What doesn't work: Apps"... haha well that's pretty useful :P Sep 29 20:27:56 right..it wouldn't launch any apps Sep 29 20:28:28 therefore FAIL Sep 29 20:28:52 I might try to get the pre3 to boot open webos, even if it doesn't get far, it looks like it might be a good embedded learning experience for me Sep 29 20:28:59 there was suggestion of a metadoctor script to put the 3.x rootfs on a Pre3 with the 2.x kernel, but it never materialised Sep 29 20:29:52 better to find a sunsation kernel. Sep 29 20:29:59 or something with a 7030 that is 3.x Sep 29 20:30:33 nyx is not designed for 2.x kernels Sep 29 20:31:52 best target of legacy phone...IMHO....Pre2 Sep 29 20:32:00 why is that? Sep 29 20:32:18 the SDK for OMAP3 does EGL Sep 29 20:32:28 it has 512MB of RAM Sep 29 20:32:32 (real not stolen) Sep 29 20:32:39 it runs @ 1ghz fine Sep 29 20:33:03 ah Sep 29 20:33:08 but BT wil be an issue Sep 29 20:33:14 why? Sep 29 20:33:15 and so will WiFi but who knows... Sep 29 20:33:25 proprietary stack used to talk to the BT Sep 29 20:33:35 ah Sep 29 20:33:37 maybe it is now Bluez compatible Sep 29 20:33:54 but that is for a porter to discover. Sep 29 20:34:18 as I said, I would support anyone who is willing to seriously attempt a port... Sep 29 20:34:46 and provide space in the wiki/github/resources to make a legit attempt try to go... Sep 29 20:35:30 I just have no room for "gee it would be nice if..." Sep 29 20:36:12 succeed or fail..publish the Good, the Bad, the UGLY... Sep 29 20:36:37 haha okay Sep 29 20:38:21 I'm just trying to find a use for this pre3... it just sits on my desk and I feel bad that I got it as a dev device and really haven't done anything with it Sep 29 20:38:52 And to think I sent that to you.... tsk tsk Sep 29 20:40:17 hey! in my defense I did start a bunch of work on an instrgram client... but I had to cancel it because the guy I derived the code from got all bent out of shape about it Sep 29 20:40:28 lol Sep 29 20:40:42 i want a full fledged instagram client that allows me to upload to instagram too Sep 29 20:40:46 get to work :P Sep 29 20:40:51 * PatrickC moves to -offtopic Sep 29 20:41:57 haha -> offtopic, but that's not currently possible :P Sep 29 20:47:39 folks Sep 29 20:54:13 * bhuey cranks up the Bassnectar for the release of open webOS on phone hardware Sep 29 20:56:34 3811/3920… Sep 29 21:12:23 stroughtonsmith, I thought you were giving up for the night Sep 29 21:12:34 that was a day ago? Sep 29 21:12:49 Gotta love the Community... Sep 29 21:13:47 Day 0 ports...24hr sessions to get stuff working... Sep 29 21:14:34 haha Sep 29 21:14:47 well with luck this compile will serve more than one device Sep 29 21:14:48 aaa801, now you got me wanting to head to the store.... Sep 29 21:15:20 I think 20liters of water should be enough to get the right shape. Sep 29 21:15:58 do you have a GN7? Sep 29 21:16:13 stroughtonsmith, ^^ Sep 29 21:16:41 uh Sep 29 21:16:48 a Nexus 7? or a Galaxy Nexus? Sep 29 21:16:50 I have both Sep 29 21:16:54 so the answer is probably yes Sep 29 21:16:55 Nexus 7 Sep 29 21:17:28 things with Google + nexus good... Sep 29 21:17:37 lol Sep 29 21:17:48 I have all the google experience devices Sep 29 21:17:54 from ADP1 to N7 Sep 29 21:18:02 except for the Magic they gave out at I/O some years back Sep 29 21:18:07 chromboook? Sep 29 21:18:14 chrome box! Sep 29 21:18:17 no book Sep 29 21:18:18 ohy Sep 29 21:18:21 hehe Sep 29 21:19:18 if I can ever get this stupid build to work... Sep 29 21:19:27 I'll have it working on my dell duo Sep 29 21:21:10 that might be fun Sep 29 21:21:13 but my x86 oe build is being a pill... Sep 29 21:21:16 the old emulator builds used to work fine Sep 29 21:21:21 what's breaking? Sep 29 21:21:29 egl stuff Sep 29 21:21:33 sorry GLH Sep 29 21:21:34 GL Sep 29 21:21:42 ah Sep 29 21:21:49 * stroughtonsmith steps away slowly Sep 29 21:22:10 it *should* work. Sep 29 21:23:28 -j16 only takes you to the scene of the failure quicker....doesn't solve the issue Sep 29 21:24:52 or to the scene of race collision quicker Sep 29 21:25:17 aha near the end of the compile Sep 29 21:25:22 just waiting on qt Sep 29 21:26:46 finally, after a day of horrible computer horribleness I have windows 7 on my macbook again Sep 29 21:26:57 and I can say beyond doubt that it isn't worth the bother Sep 29 21:27:15 time to install ubuntu and break everything again Sep 29 21:28:34 truth be told, I haven't touched windows 7 in a year. Really appreciate Windows 8 on my PCs/tablets Sep 29 21:29:03 I tried the consumer preview and decided to stick with 7 Sep 29 21:29:16 windows releases are like star trek films, every other one is crap Sep 29 21:29:40 I think 8 is a great step forward, but the launch is gonna be horrible; gonna be a ton of backlash Sep 29 21:29:50 but I think they're doing the right thing for once Sep 29 21:30:21 it's leagues better on touch, and if Microsoft have their way there won't be any non-touch PCs for long Sep 29 21:31:11 even on non-touch, it navigates pretty nicely... Sep 29 21:31:37 I just wish they'd bring those touch enhancements to keyboard/mouse, have stuff animate, make the UX nicer in general Sep 29 21:32:15 wait till you try it on an actual windows 8 pc Sep 29 21:32:22 multitouch mice and trackpads Sep 29 21:32:24 big difference Sep 29 21:32:27 lots of gestures Sep 29 21:32:49 it's hard to get comfortable with the gestures on a traditional mouse Sep 29 21:33:22 good thing us dinosaurs who grew up with Paper Tape and teletypes are dying off. Sep 29 21:34:14 think there was a Jobs quote to go with that Sep 29 21:34:30 something about having to train people to use keyboards for the original computer, and 'death would take care of that' Sep 29 21:34:30 ;) Sep 29 21:34:47 heh Sep 29 21:35:44 this build is Maid of Fale. Sep 29 21:35:55 ka6sox: I bet if you ask nicely enough, Microsoft would add a morse code keyboard :P Sep 29 21:36:05 Hi everyone! Sep 29 21:36:18 invalidopcode, you mean if I paid them? Sep 29 21:36:28 hi featherysquid wazzup? Sep 29 21:37:01 ka6sox: shhhh no, we don't speak of such things... they do everything out of the kindness of Steve's heart :P Sep 29 21:37:51 Not much. Excited by the 1.0 release... just thought I'd come and show my support Sep 29 21:39:02 thanks Sep 29 21:42:57 c'mon oe...its just pine trail...this should work! Sep 29 21:45:15 you are of course referring to steve the screamer and not the Zen master... Sep 29 21:46:04 invalidopcode, ^^ Sep 29 21:46:31 hahaha Sep 29 21:46:47 Developers Developers Developers! Sep 29 21:49:12 morning warzon_ Sep 29 21:49:50 in my town - deep night Sep 29 21:50:24 ~ugt Sep 29 21:50:24 extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Sep 29 21:50:45 we found that a few years ago... Sep 29 21:50:49 loool Sep 29 21:50:50 but yes Deep night there ! Sep 29 21:52:09 I am going to step away from the console now before I kill something... Sep 29 21:52:21 Qt is not picking up the GL stuff... Sep 29 21:52:32 * ShiftyAxel returns from ubuntu not installing Sep 29 21:52:51 it seems to be so Sep 29 21:52:54 invalidopcode: careful, ballmer might throw a chair at you if you steal his catchphrase! Sep 29 21:53:18 ShiftyAxel: I'll keep my guard up :P Sep 29 21:54:18 ka6sox: we are hard working on it Sep 29 21:54:39 qt4-webos.bb is the most fragile thing...I've had champagne glasses that were more robust.... Sep 29 21:55:56 3821/3920 Sep 29 21:56:03 only the one build error that was easily fixed Sep 29 21:57:33 hopefully qt4-palm will be done away with soon, the blog post mentioned moving forward to qt5 Sep 29 21:57:43 * ShiftyAxel hopes that doesn't mean qt5-palm Sep 29 21:58:13 * ka6sox gets his torch and pitchfork... Sep 29 21:58:34 * ShiftyAxel starts mixing some molotov cocktails Sep 29 21:58:56 I think it's not will be soon. we need to do something this current version Sep 29 21:59:05 of qt Sep 29 21:59:21 warzon_, that is a major undertaking it seems... Sep 29 21:59:43 currently some 16MB of patches Sep 29 22:00:34 I'm told with later version it could be as little as 600kB Sep 29 22:01:46 what patches do you mean? Sep 29 22:02:01 to stock Qt4.8 Sep 29 22:02:35 (the recipe in oe-core Sep 29 22:02:37 ) Sep 29 22:03:55 you want to move to qt5? Sep 29 22:04:23 no 4.8.2 or 4.8.3 Sep 29 22:04:33 qt5 is coming however. Sep 29 22:04:35 warzon_: http://blog.openwebosproject.org/post/32462950628/open-webos-1-0-edition Sep 29 22:04:42 HP wants to move to qt5 Sep 29 22:05:08 I know Sep 29 22:05:23 qt5 has nice shiny stuff in it, like new gpu acceleration and more importantly the concept of multitouch Sep 29 22:06:35 we made some modifications in 4.8.2 for multitouch Sep 29 22:07:05 yes qt5 seems to be more friendly with egl Sep 29 22:08:42 but on practice it's working with segfaults Sep 29 22:11:03 anyway it's beta now ... maybe when it will be stable Sep 29 22:12:36 and requires newer gcc to build c++11 support Sep 29 22:16:02 * ka6sox gives up and builds stock x11 pine trail for sanity check.. Sep 29 22:17:27 * ShiftyAxel waits for ka6sox to wrap a strait jacket around his machine Sep 29 22:21:33 how qt4 is working on HP touchpad? Sep 29 22:22:45 So what hardware have people gotten WOCE running on now? Sep 29 22:24:00 KyleMaas, ??? Sep 29 22:24:11 LunaCE is 3.0.5 Touchpad only. Sep 29 22:24:47 ka6sox: I saw a bunch of discussion yesterday (provided I was reading it correctly) about getting it running on a Raspberry Pi and some Android device. Sep 29 22:24:58 I haven't been keeping up with everything much lately. Been too busy. Sep 29 22:25:23 Or was that OWO? Sep 29 22:25:26 Open WebOS 1.0 is running (wiht UI) on a Google Nexus Sep 29 22:26:02 OW 1.0 ( aaa801 correct me if I am wrong) runs on a RPI but not UI yet... Sep 29 22:26:58 ka6sox: yeah that's killer Sep 29 22:27:53 K. Pretty cool. Anybody get anything working on the Pre or Pre 2 yet? I remember there was some pretty good progress toward that a while back. Sep 29 22:28:12 KyleMaas, really? got url? Sep 29 22:28:25 (Trying to get myself caught up with current development progress. Finally got some time to get back into documenting once in a while.) Sep 29 22:28:32 ka6sox: Nope. It was only in this channel. Sep 29 22:29:05 I haven't seen that...somebodies tried to get LunaCE running on a Pre3 is all I remember. Sep 29 22:30:01 ka6sox: I seem to remember a few people getting it to run as well as I was able to get it to run on the desktop at the time. Now that more code's been released for OWO, I'd think we'd have enough support code to try it again and probably get it to work. Where's the build system for the LunaCE IPK for the TouchPad right now? Sep 29 22:30:29 folks are better off using more modern hardware Sep 29 22:30:39 those devices are memory constrained Sep 29 22:31:09 https://github.com/organizations/woce Sep 29 22:31:15 KyleMaas, ^^ Sep 29 22:33:26 the main question in why qt4 is working on hp touchpad? maybe there is some components that not released yet or not going to be opened at all Sep 29 22:33:31 is* Sep 29 22:34:47 the versions of bits on the touchpad is not the same as owos Sep 29 22:34:50 the Later Sep 29 22:35:01 s/t/tt/ Sep 29 22:35:01 ka6sox meant: tthe Later Sep 29 22:35:07 ha ha Sep 29 22:37:00 what means bits? Sep 29 22:37:25 code Sep 29 22:38:47 if we somehow can learn the difference Sep 29 22:39:58 what they do to make it work Sep 29 22:40:14 we can't redistribute anything that is Qualcomm anyways... Sep 29 22:40:19 so that is fail too. Sep 29 22:40:42 i mean the principle of modifications Sep 29 22:40:50 oh right Sep 29 22:44:29 we have a patch for stock qt that was released as part of woce that might be of interest Sep 29 22:50:23 * ka6sox forgot abot that Sep 29 22:50:42 patch y'say? Sep 29 22:50:56 what does this patch patch? Sep 29 22:51:16 is this one of those woodchuck chuck things? Sep 29 22:51:18 qt Sep 29 22:51:37 * Grabber5_0 thinks he is very funny Sep 29 22:52:00 morning all Sep 29 22:52:05 ~lart Grabber5_0 Sep 29 22:52:05 * WoceBot takes out Grabber5_0 with the trash Sep 29 22:52:13 morning Grabber5_0 Sep 29 22:52:25 that was precisely the answer I did not want to hear :p Sep 29 22:52:31 3843/3920 Sep 29 22:52:34 forward slash read Sep 29 22:52:37 ~morningall white flag Sep 29 22:52:37 * WoceBot picks up white flag and waves them at the channel Sep 29 22:53:17 sorry ShiftyAxel I couldn't help myself :D Sep 29 22:54:03 so, what's the word? excited about OWO 1.0? :) Sep 29 22:54:31 very Sep 29 22:54:32 OW 1.0 is "interesting" Sep 29 22:55:15 I just spent what felt like an hour reading the chat log for today Sep 29 22:55:22 now I need a nap Sep 29 22:56:56 ya, i know the feeling Sep 29 22:57:17 I was at eurogamer yesterday when everything was going down, woke up this morning to a 2-hour read Sep 29 22:58:01 I just had a really strange thing happen when I tried to close wirc on my LunaCE TP Sep 29 22:58:24 when I tried to toss the card, it 'blew up' to a size larger than the screen Sep 29 22:58:25 what would that be? Sep 29 22:59:01 i thought it was stuck there. when I opened the launcher it didn't move.. then I thought to pinch-to-shrink it back down to size Sep 29 22:59:36 O_o Sep 29 22:59:39 that's very odd Sep 29 22:59:40 once it was normal-sized I was able to throw it away Sep 29 22:59:53 not sure if I fat-fingered my toss or what happened. it was very odd Sep 29 23:00:00 oh wait you just said that :| Sep 29 23:00:07 hmm Sep 29 23:00:21 how big do you have your cards by default? Sep 29 23:00:24 bigger than standard? Sep 29 23:01:00 it might have used the card scalar while maximized (which it isn't meant to) and therefore gotten too big Sep 29 23:01:09 um, I thought it always returned to default when you minimize an app Sep 29 23:01:30 memory is fuzzy on the card resizing Sep 29 23:02:40 no luck recreating.. no surprise Sep 29 23:03:13 ok, now, what'd i miss Sep 29 23:03:24 i swear I melt my brain when I start resizing the cards :D Sep 29 23:03:48 it'll return to whatever you last had it at when you minimize :p Sep 29 23:05:09 EricBlade, World Peace, Sep 29 23:05:38 oh god why must all the giant packages be at the end Sep 29 23:05:43 that is not what she said. Sep 29 23:05:46 figures. i imagine it all went to hell again after about 5 minutes, though, ka6sox right? Sep 29 23:05:54 yup Sep 29 23:06:12 5 minutes is optimistic Sep 29 23:06:15 stroughtonsmith, tis the big buildup to failure... Sep 29 23:06:28 only 70 to go! Sep 29 23:07:12 go stroughtonsmith go! Sep 29 23:07:29 this is why I never started a bitbake world before I wanted to go to bed... Sep 29 23:07:34 haha Sep 29 23:07:36 to be fair Sep 29 23:07:41 i started this build 12 hours ago Sep 29 23:07:50 and took an hour out for fixing compile issues Sep 29 23:08:09 maybe 10 hours. Sep 29 23:08:56 I think we forget that we are building the ENTIRE OS....not just a package... Sep 29 23:09:40 stroughtonsmith: of course, the longest part is the last 12 steps or so Sep 29 23:09:53 NO U :P Sep 29 23:10:02 ka6sox: does OE have the capability to selectively build packages? Sep 29 23:10:09 ShiftyAxel: make packagename Sep 29 23:11:03 good stuff, the prospect of building OWO from scratch every time I make a tiny tweak to LSM makes the dark pit in the bottom of my stomach open up :p Sep 29 23:12:21 ah glorious caffeine Sep 29 23:12:57 setup a custom source directory for the OE build and desktop, test it in desktop, then make clean-luna-sysmgr; make luna-sysmgr Sep 29 23:13:15 then send the package to whatever system Sep 29 23:13:42 presumably any changes you make only result in said package being rebuilt anyway when you do make webos-image Sep 29 23:14:10 make webos-image wouldn't know to rebuild it until you do a make clean-componentname though Sep 29 23:15:25 sure I guess Sep 29 23:15:29 still makes a tgz at the end tho Sep 29 23:15:35 better than manually shuffling things Sep 29 23:16:37 I haven't built up the courage to do an OE build on my macbook yet Sep 29 23:16:46 bitbake packagename Sep 29 23:16:53 make is so yesterday Sep 29 23:17:03 installing ubuntu so I can maximum grunt out of it Sep 29 23:17:27 * ShiftyAxel is quite sure he'll be shouting 'SHE CANNAE TAKE IT ANYMORE CAP'N' before long Sep 29 23:22:05 that's what she said Sep 29 23:24:06 blerr Sep 29 23:24:20 blasted macbook doesn't want to boot from USB, ever Sep 29 23:24:35 * ShiftyAxel dd-s the installer to a hard drive partition Sep 30 00:19:42 Hey guys. I was wondering if there was someone I could speak to concerning working together with Phoenix International Communications Sep 30 00:21:58 brandongoeszoom: how do you mean? are you a representative of PIC? Sep 30 00:22:46 I'm a researcher. Not a higher-up, but I'm coming to you guys on behalf of PIC. Sep 30 00:23:55 brandongoeszoom, what does a reseacher for PIC do? Sep 30 00:24:40 Research part and materials from various companies. Glass, LCDs screens, batteries, etc. as well as get estimates from the companies. Sep 30 00:25:03 what is your involvement in software? Sep 30 00:25:37 Mine? None. That's a different department. But I do know that whatever software we do build is going to be open sourced. Sep 30 00:26:07 can you speak for the software side of the house? Sep 30 00:26:33 I cannot because I do not know everything that goes on there. I can ask, however. Sep 30 00:27:31 what do you wish to speak about then? Sep 30 00:30:25 do you wish to speak of uncredited videos posted to the @phxdevices twitter Sep 30 00:30:29 ? Sep 30 00:30:43 Just a way for both organizations to work together. In the end, both teams do what they do for the community. Without you guys, most of what we do would be much mroe difficult. Sep 30 00:31:12 is there a who is who page on your website so that I may know who is working on this? Sep 30 00:32:03 There isn't, but I'll ask if we can get one up. Sep 30 00:33:13 this is who we are: http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/WhoIsWho Sep 30 00:33:35 Are there plans for your organization to be more open in general? Sep 30 00:34:01 Yes. I can't give you a timeframe, but I'll get that info for you as soon as I possibly can. Sep 30 00:34:33 But we're definitely going to be letting the public know who we are and what we're doing down to the individual Sep 30 00:34:48 brandongoeszoom, you realize you are about the 5th person who has represented themselves as from PIC without any documentation for us to understand who and what PIC is... Sep 30 00:35:54 brandongoeszoom: I'm also curious about ka6sox's question about the webos-ports video posted on twitter by phx without credit being given. What do you know about this? Sep 30 00:36:44 Personally, I don't manage the social networks. I've just recently requested to get the login info. I've had to do damage control before. That was probably Dan. He's one of our Italian devs and website folk. Sep 30 00:38:38 you see unlike our FOSS Project which has to be transparent you are a Company who has chosen, for a long time, to keep making proclaimations of "we are going to take care of you! don't worry" without even knowing who "you" really are. Sep 30 00:39:30 I know. Sadly, I can't do anything about that at the moment, but I can try. I have direct contact with Matt, thankfully. But I'll show you what he said. Sep 30 00:39:47 who is Matt Sep 30 00:39:49 ? Sep 30 00:39:53 * Grabber5_0 curses his wifi router Sep 30 00:40:10 Matthew Zakutny is the co-founder of PIC Sep 30 00:40:20 "i tried that w/ people and honestly - most people in PIC feels it is absolutely ignorant to talk about who each person is that means anything. Because we are here as a team of people all working together. It's not about 1 person or 5 people [18:37:27] Matthew Zakutny: people in pic feel that if we do that we are being "look at me" type of people and that's not what we are about." Sep 30 00:40:31 That's what he said after I mentioned the who is who page Sep 30 00:41:08 brandongoeszoom, for us to have a meaningful dialog I need to know who I am having it with... Sep 30 00:41:22 trying to deal with an enigma is not helpful to anyone or useful. Sep 30 00:41:24 veil of secrecy.. not productive Sep 30 00:41:34 I'm confused by the PIC website Sep 30 00:42:01 it sounds more like liaison than developer Sep 30 00:42:02 * Grabber5_0 better keep quiet Sep 30 00:42:13 brandongoeszoom, I have a somewhat pointed question. please don't take offense to it. Sep 30 00:42:31 Okay, LarrySteeze. What's your question? Sep 30 00:43:00 Why is it that you have a fairly complete website and have been marketing the group fairly fully for the past few months...but nothing that has been released (unless I've missed something) Sep 30 00:43:43 ka6sox, I'm with you guys on this issue. The community should know who we are and what's going on to a certain extent, just like with your organization. So, I'll try to persuade some to get this done. Sep 30 00:44:50 for a company who claims that they are going to be "open" I see very little evidence of this. Sep 30 00:44:52 http://www.linkedin.com/company/2631493?trk=pro_other_cmpy Sep 30 00:44:59 LarrySteeze, That's because, up until recently, we weren't even completely sure if we were going to be able to produce a phone in the near future. Unfortunately, whoever does the website and social networks doesn't hold his tongue and makes false promises without concrete evidence. Sep 30 00:45:44 That's when I had to do some damage control earlier this month Sep 30 00:46:10 in what sense? Sep 30 00:46:15 Also, if you had to classify your organization, how would you classify it? Is it an actual company seeking profit? Not that organizations seeking profit are bad, I just don't know who you really are. Sep 30 00:46:29 an Enigma Sep 30 00:47:02 Eventually, PIC would be a for-profit phone producer for webOS devices. If that's possible. Sep 30 00:47:15 We're just a start-up at the moment, though. Sep 30 00:47:35 brandongoeszoom, are you this person? http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=181196406&authType=OUT_OF_NETWORK&authToken=X_L1&trk=hb_upphoto Sep 30 00:47:51 I am, ka6sox. Sep 30 00:47:51 and the company has how many years of experience in the hardware department (combined experience of employees) and for what architectures? Sep 30 00:48:17 the site kinda suggests heavily marketing and graphic design focus, and liaison-y nebulous things. Sounds like you guys want primarily to build the links to the different people you'd need to build a webOS device? Sep 30 00:48:35 brandongoeszoom, what is this title: Outreach and Influencers at Phoenix International Communications, Inc. Sep 30 00:48:38 what does it mean? Sep 30 00:49:32 That was my beginning title, and more of a minor one now. I should change that. But it was basically scouting for volunteers and reaching out to companies concerning working with us to get our product made. Sep 30 00:50:39 I suspect my next question will not be answered: do you have EE's working on a design? Sep 30 00:51:05 LarrySteeze, That, I'm unsure of. Annoyingly, there's not much communication between the various groups within PIC Sep 30 00:51:34 ka6sox, We do have some. Now, their degree of expertise, i'm not aware of. Sep 30 00:51:39 http://www.bizapedia.com/nv/PHOENIX-INTERNATIONAL-COMMUNICATIONS-INC.html Sep 30 00:51:40 http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielgiovannetti Sep 30 00:51:41 http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=11262166&pid=41610772&authType=name&authToken=R4Ms&trk=pbmap Sep 30 00:51:42 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matthew-zakutny/11/b28/384 Sep 30 00:51:43 I'm not getting a very webOS-y or hardware feel for this company. I'd love to know more? Sep 30 00:51:51 brandongoeszoom: but from what you said you are doing, it would appear that's within your department Sep 30 00:52:39 LarrySteeze: It would appear so, yes. Sep 30 00:54:12 is there really no president or VP or CEO of PIC that cares to put his information on linkedin? Sep 30 00:54:53 stroughtonsmith: According to Matt Zakutny, there are hundreds of volunteers across the globe. Now, I can't confirm that number is completely accurate, but I have spoken to some volunteers in China, Spain, and Italy. Daniel is a software guy, and Matthew is more of a higherup than anything else. No real phone manufacturing knowledge. But he's learning Enyo at the moment. Sep 30 00:55:19 brandongoeszoom, why is Matt not HERE...NOW....talking to US? Sep 30 00:55:20 kas6sox: Apparently not, but Matthew's Facebook is here https://www.facebook.com/matthew.zakutny/info Sep 30 00:55:25 interesting. do you guys have an office? Sep 30 00:55:52 As well as his resume http://www.matthewzakutny.com/resume.html Sep 30 00:56:35 stroughtonsmith: No office. But things such as NDAs and future sample parts will most likely go through Matthew's house in Deleware. Sep 30 00:57:20 so have you lined up any parts suppliers? Which kind of parts? Sep 30 00:58:44 brandongoeszoom, since he is obviously talking to you at this time. Sep 30 00:58:44 kas6sox: Matt's not here because he said that the people in PIC who have porting knowledge and the like have spoken to you in the past. Quite frankly, I don't think he wants to work with you guys, but I do. It's ridiculous that what you guys would like from us aren't getting done because they're all reasonable requests. Sep 30 01:00:08 stroughtonsmith: Anker or LG for batteries, Corning for glass. Those are who I've specifically spoken to. Not quite certain whom the others have contacted. Sep 30 01:00:32 I'm confused again; webos-ports and HP are working closely together. If you were working on webOS devices, surely you'd want to work with webos-ports? Sep 30 01:00:32 brandongoeszoom: so you're here out of personal interest rather than a request from higher up? Sep 30 01:01:28 ShiftyAxel: That's correct. I let him know I was going to contact you, feeling that it would be in our best interests to collaborate with your organization. Sep 30 01:02:02 brandongoeszoom, again, many people have come to me representing themselves as from PIC...you are the *first* I have documentation of that you actually *are* from pic besides Marco. Sep 30 01:02:12 what's this? another hypothetical webos powered device? Sep 30 01:02:53 I have no documentation that Matt is from PIC> Sep 30 01:03:14 That's what I said, stroughtonsmith. You guys have resources that we don't. Whether the higherups want it or not, we can certainly benefit from anything your organization can contribute to ours. And possibly vice versa. Sep 30 01:03:34 brandongoeszoom, at this point I see this as a 1 way street. Sep 30 01:04:08 we share with you and you *possibly* share with us... Sep 30 01:04:58 Not possibly share with you. I meant that, at least concerning me, you guys all have much more knowledge and expertise than I do, and I can't really give you anything that you don't already know or have Sep 30 01:06:18 brandongoeszoom, again, I think we are not getting to the point.... Sep 30 01:06:40 I'm going to try to persuade Matthew and the others about becoming more open, though. And I'll keep checking in with you guys to see if we can get anywhere. I'm doing what I'm doing for the community. I don't care if I profit out of this. Sep 30 01:06:43 if your management will not speak to us here in an open forum then we really can't "do business" with PIC. Sep 30 01:06:59 So, if he agrees, I'll let you know. It might be a while. I'm an optimist at heart lol Sep 30 01:07:29 we partner with HP becuase they are not an Enigma.... Sep 30 01:08:04 they have publically stated goals..with people who are repsonsive thru many means... Sep 30 01:08:20 and who are OPEN to work with.... Sep 30 01:08:41 they make promises...and KEEP them.... Sep 30 01:09:40 brandongoeszoom: I take it you're a big webOS fan then? You part of OnTap too? Sep 30 01:11:02 ka6sox: I know. Like I said, I'll see what I can do over at PIC to get to the point where you know what's going on and who's who as well as the community Sep 30 01:11:12 I am, stroughtonsmith Sep 30 01:12:13 brandongoeszoom: what is priority #1 for PIC? Sep 30 01:12:24 the most immediate priority Sep 30 01:13:10 LarrySteeze: Working on manufacturing a phone. Sep 30 01:14:02 I mean the first releasable priority Sep 30 01:15:09 A phone will not be manufactured for a long time. Cutting out the supply chain issues, the design itself takes a good deal of time, especially for a first design Sep 30 01:15:16 I reckon that would be releasing apps made by software devs at PIC Sep 30 01:15:44 brandongoeszoom: so have you been working with PIC since the start? Or is that just recently? Sep 30 01:16:00 do you guys meet up or is it all remote? Sep 30 01:16:03 brandongoeszoom, since nobody at PIC will answer this question... Sep 30 01:16:24 How does PIC propose to handle legacy device support.... Sep 30 01:17:02 Sept 14:Phoenix I.C. ?@phxdevices Sep 30 01:17:02 If you've heard the disappointing news, don't worry, we at Phoenix will make up for it. Trust us. http://fb.me/1z1vxiOI8 " Sep 30 01:17:05 yeah, i'm quite interested in that one, since there have been pledges and promises to that nature Sep 30 01:18:00 There's no guarantee. Apparently, the guy who runs has a big mouth (or at least permission from someone else who has a big one). So, there's absolutely no promise, despite the previous tweets Sep 30 01:18:15 really? Sep 30 01:18:32 did I miss something? Sep 30 01:18:48 brandongoeszoom: is that guy running Twitter anymore? Or are you taking over Sep 30 01:19:10 ...is that a lynch mob i see marching from the WOSN forums? Sep 30 01:19:19 stroughtonsmith: He'll probably be co-running it, but I'll be gaining access soon. Sep 30 01:19:32 That'll allow me to do some damage control if that happens again Sep 30 01:19:33 gotcha Sep 30 01:20:26 ShiftyAxel, Patience Grasshopper Sep 30 01:21:30 I've suggested taking a ports/Internals approach of keeping our mouths shut until we can actually guarantee something Sep 30 01:21:39 That's what I'm hoping for. Sep 30 01:21:58 brandongoeszoom: so are you now advising the PIC guys as to where to look for webOS-related activity ? Sep 30 01:22:09 a webOS advisor, as it were Sep 30 01:23:34 storughtonsmith: Somewhat. I'm on the lookout in the forums and blogs and social media sites for webOS informationa and relay it to a few people who can benefit from that knowledge. Sep 30 01:24:05 so is PIC going to do everything themselves, or more just bring together the software makers and hardware makers to build something? Sep 30 01:25:23 Personally, I'd love to get plenty of the external devs together and have a group chat with our internal devs and see what they can accomplish together. Without anyone having to become part of PIC. Sep 30 01:25:34 Since the software is going to be open sourced anyhow. Sep 30 01:26:08 up to now, what has the phoenix team been working with? Modifying existing versions of webOS? Sep 30 01:27:26 Well, they're working on the Enyo 2.0 Google Maps app, found on our Github. But, even Matt said that the devs teams are having some trouble working together Sep 30 01:27:45 Which is irritating, to say the least Sep 30 01:28:16 brandongoeszoom, got URL for the maps app? Sep 30 01:28:20 https://github.com/phxdevices/phx-maps-enyo-google Sep 30 01:28:36 That's it. Sep 30 01:28:47 oh so the phoenix devs would be made up of ex webOS developers then? Sep 30 01:29:28 some of them, most likely. Sep 30 01:29:42 I'm working on my coding so I can help out in the future. Sep 30 01:29:58 gotcha Sep 30 01:30:34 so is there a shared guidance, or do you guys work on your own things? Sep 30 01:31:05 I guess you've been waiting a bit for Open webOS Sep 30 01:31:05 We basically do our own thing and then check up with each other once a week or so. Sep 30 01:33:39 Yep. Previously, some of us weren't even sure that anything that doesn't have the Linux Kernel 3.3 (which is nothing, at the moment) would run Open webOS. But you guys proved us wrong, thankfully. Sep 30 01:35:12 yeah the guys here and at HP have done some nice work Sep 30 01:35:42 so what do you expect to happen next at PIC? Now that OW 1.0 is out Sep 30 01:36:38 Well, considering we're hoping to build a phone, I'd expect a phone app, if that's possible. Sep 30 01:37:24 makes sense… Sep 30 01:37:35 Part of the reason I came here. You guys have much more knowledge than we do (more than me, at least) concerning these things. You guys work with HP, for Christ's sake. Sep 30 01:39:02 definitely good to know each other better! Sep 30 01:39:43 this is not FOSS code.... Sep 30 01:40:29 What isn't, ka6sox? Sep 30 01:40:29 there is no right to modify Sep 30 01:40:37 this project Sep 30 01:40:37 The maps? Sep 30 01:40:50 https://github.com/phxdevices/phx-maps-enyo-google/blob/master/License.txt Sep 30 01:40:57 redistribution...yes Sep 30 01:41:35 modification...no Sep 30 01:42:32 I guess I can *infer* that I can modify it... Sep 30 01:42:45 sorry about that, got disconnected Sep 30 01:42:50 but since it says *all rights reserved* I guess I have to get permission to modify Sep 30 01:43:19 Hmm...I'll try to get in touch with Julian and let him know. Sep 30 01:44:45 so what's the motivation for PIC? Commercial? Enthusiast? Sep 30 01:45:18 he already said commercial Sep 30 01:45:20 (aside: once again my VM locked up my iMac making me restart and break the build. Grrrrr) Sep 30 01:45:25 it's incorporated in the state of delaware Sep 30 01:45:33 ah I must have missed that Sep 30 01:52:09 so brandongoeszoom - gotta ask, who are the other groups/people you're reaching out to? Sep 30 01:52:32 and what exactly is PIC looking for Sep 30 01:54:30 * stroughtonsmith continues build. Only been at this 13 hours now Sep 30 01:55:57 package webkit-webos; oh great! A small one! … Sep 30 01:56:22 heh Sep 30 01:56:28 Well, I did make a post on the Open webOS forums, and I've suggested to some team members to join the mailing list. We have a couple of people talking to the folks over at zoopda.com Sep 30 01:57:29 my chinese is a bit rusty, but I take it it's a webOS-related forum? Sep 30 01:58:44 It is. An editor over there volunteered to help with the communication process between PIC and the Chinese webOS fans. Sep 30 01:59:04 this is the same group that DDoS'd my server trying to spider the ipkg repos every 10minutes for 3days till I blocked them... Sep 30 01:59:18 LOL Sep 30 02:00:23 I didn't realize there was a PIC mailing list? I guess it's not public Sep 30 02:00:50 Not a PIC one. The Open webOS one. I suggested the PIC folk to join that one. Sep 30 02:00:59 ohh Sep 30 02:01:23 * ka6sox bites his tongue... Sep 30 02:01:42 Anyhow, I must go. Gotta eat something. But I'll be back soon, and I'll talk to Matt and the others about the possible collaboration and see if they're willing to do anything. Sep 30 02:01:46 Adios Sep 30 02:01:47 sure, take care Sep 30 02:01:54 lol. Sep 30 02:02:19 poor guy Sep 30 02:02:39 that was informative for sure Sep 30 02:02:51 indeed Sep 30 02:03:35 * Grabber5_0 enjoyed the popcorn and movie Sep 30 02:03:53 haha Sep 30 02:03:55 yup Sep 30 02:04:11 I don't think he expected what he got... Sep 30 02:04:40 he handled it well Sep 30 02:04:46 I bit my tongue Sep 30 02:05:09 not really my business Sep 30 02:06:11 I'm afraid I didn't Sep 30 02:06:19 I like brandon. Let's keep him :P Sep 30 02:06:23 can we? Sep 30 02:06:36 he is a go getter and willing to work hard... Sep 30 02:08:06 I think we learned more about PIC there than in the months up to now Sep 30 02:11:33 morning Sep 30 02:11:42 hiya lilstevie... Sep 30 02:12:21 that was an interesting little bit of backlog Sep 30 02:12:29 gidday mate :P Sep 30 02:12:53 stroughtonsmith, :p your still up? Sep 30 02:13:07 lilstevie: you're*, and yep! Sep 30 02:13:15 yeah yeah Sep 30 02:13:19 my compile hasn't finished :D Sep 30 02:13:25 he is *just* getting started! Sep 30 02:13:59 * lilstevie just woke up and isn't the best at english until he has had his coffee Sep 30 02:14:04 stroughtonsmith, heh Sep 30 02:17:56 I agree. Brandon did handle it very well Sep 30 02:18:41 yes, he did Sep 30 02:20:42 stroughtonsmith, so where is your build up to now Sep 30 02:20:54 :p Sep 30 02:21:07 um. Sep 30 02:21:14 I have like 60 tasks left Sep 30 02:21:16 currently in webkit Sep 30 02:21:52 cool Sep 30 02:22:38 also, I hate support :/ Sep 30 02:23:33 it says "File not found" please advise on how to fix Sep 30 02:29:22 * ka6sox holds his tongue again because he is likely to say "rm -rf........" Sep 30 02:30:58 ka6sox, heh Sep 30 02:31:08 ka6sox, if only that worked on windows Sep 30 02:32:00 sorry guys...PICs lack of candor (brandon being the exception)... + posting a uncredited link to the work that THIS group did have made me irratable... Sep 30 02:32:42 ka6sox, it's ok, kind of understandable really Sep 30 02:33:02 they even obfuscated the link by not using the official one... Sep 30 02:33:22 that's just crap Sep 30 02:36:49 oh webkit, y u no compile faster Sep 30 02:37:10 better than U-No-Poo... Sep 30 02:37:50 stroughtonsmith, because it doesn't want you to get any sleep Sep 30 02:37:58 it's only 4am Sep 30 02:38:00 it's not sleep time yet Sep 30 02:38:20 oh, lilstevie. got your email. Not ignoring it on purpose, just having to deal with other stuff (like classwork) Sep 30 02:38:30 halfhalo, I can understand that Sep 30 02:38:45 * lilstevie is on the last day of his uni holiday :( Sep 30 02:39:22 but then I only have 4 weeks left until the end of the semester so not too bad Sep 30 02:40:07 what uni? Sep 30 02:40:29 Victoria University (Melbourne, Australia) Sep 30 02:40:54 Summer is coming... Sep 30 02:41:22 oh upsidedownface hemisphere Sep 30 02:41:29 heh Sep 30 02:41:59 * lilstevie is coming to the realisation that stroughtonsmith likes using upsidedownface where ever possible Sep 30 02:42:01 game of thrones joke? :P hard to line up with the images of australia in my mind Sep 30 02:42:10 YES Sep 30 02:42:29 upsidedownface is instantly more enjoyable than 'upside down' for anybody who watches family guy Sep 30 02:42:36 yep Sep 30 02:42:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGb3WZLWwJ8 Sep 30 02:42:59 in fact that is all that pops into my mind whenever you say upsidedownface Sep 30 02:43:22 :D Sep 30 02:43:57 * lilstevie still needs to get the season 11 dvd to complete his collection Sep 30 02:46:56 there are some things that can't be unseen... Sep 30 02:47:25 haha Sep 30 02:47:51 the bot in the androidroot team channel has a trigger !bird Sep 30 02:48:08 purely for a specific family guy youtube video Sep 30 02:48:57 Oh no why would you do that Sep 30 02:49:02 now it's in my head Sep 30 02:49:05 12:48 <@lilstevie> !bird? Sep 30 02:49:06 12:48 <+Shadow> bird is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184 ... Sep 30 02:49:18 stroughtonsmith, and that is why :p Sep 30 02:49:29 BRIAN DON'T! Sep 30 02:49:57 stroughtonsmith, webkit still compiling Sep 30 02:50:03 yurps Sep 30 02:52:08 stroughtonsmith, JB has made this more complex than one would hope for the tf201 fwiw Sep 30 02:52:19 still don't know what to do about this Sep 30 02:52:19 in what way? Sep 30 02:52:28 oh dual boot you mean Sep 30 02:52:46 JB 1) prevents downgrades by having a signed bootloader that wasn't previously Sep 30 02:52:47 I'm still doing the flash boot from recovery trick Sep 30 02:53:14 2) Trusted Foundations prevent old kernels from working Sep 30 02:53:16 are you talking the official JB update for 201? Sep 30 02:53:35 3) The L4T libs do not have trusted foundations and will not load Sep 30 02:53:37 yes Sep 30 02:53:40 gotcha Sep 30 02:53:50 official JB update for the whole Tegra3 transformer range Sep 30 02:53:59 I've stayed away, fortunately Sep 30 02:54:03 on CM10 Sep 30 02:54:12 but what does that mean for the N7? which came with JB Sep 30 02:54:15 with the exception being the TF700, that has always had TF Sep 30 02:54:23 N7 has trusted foundations Sep 30 02:54:27 which may get tricky Sep 30 02:54:40 how does that affect fastboot? Sep 30 02:54:51 it isn't fastboot that will be the issue Sep 30 02:55:00 accel may be non-trivial Sep 30 02:55:14 oh for ubuntu Sep 30 02:55:21 and openwebos Sep 30 02:55:24 so have you talked to Stskeeps about his thing? Sep 30 02:55:34 no, but that may be the best option Sep 30 02:55:47 you two should chat sometime Sep 30 02:55:52 probably :p Sep 30 02:56:51 to be honest we are trying to overcome trusted foundations in kernel cause otherwise it means maintaining 2 ROMS for everything Sep 30 02:57:05 1 for ICS bl and one for JB bl Sep 30 02:57:34 yeah gotcha Sep 30 02:57:52 Stskeeps, idea I think has quite a bit of merit Sep 30 02:58:02 it does yes Sep 30 02:58:30 ka6sox, the problem is 2 bootloaders 1 with trusted foundations 1 without, require libs to match, and the kernel has to match Sep 30 02:58:39 TF kernel will not boot on bootloader without TF Sep 30 02:58:46 and vice versa Sep 30 02:59:24 Stskeeps idea helps one case Sep 30 02:59:38 where TF is in place **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 30 02:59:59 2012