**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 06 03:00:02 2012 Oct 06 03:04:09 heh ka6sox wouldn't suprise me if it is someone just trying to get donations of the webos-ports teams work Oct 06 03:06:16 ka6sox, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1921544 <-- that's the thread Oct 06 03:13:20 actually he gave credit Oct 06 03:32:54 so I'm cool with it...but its incomplete... Oct 06 04:20:18 good evening folks Oct 06 04:20:30 Morning Oct 06 04:20:48 good morning to you brandongoeszoom Oct 06 04:21:05 Hey guys I am using a 64 bit machine so i am having to "sudo apt-get install ia32-libs g++-multilib" Oct 06 04:21:18 ka6sox: you around these parts? Oct 06 04:22:08 But when I do I am getting a error Oct 06 04:22:12 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Oct 06 04:22:23 ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-multiarch but it is not installable Oct 06 04:22:36 E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. Oct 06 04:23:05 Do I just need to make ia32-libs-multiarch a executable Oct 06 04:30:00 hi invalidopcode Oct 06 04:30:04 evening brandongoeszoom Oct 06 04:30:18 Evening, ka6sox Oct 06 04:30:27 ka6sox: hey, I was wondering how hard it is to remote gdb debug LunaSysMgr Oct 06 04:31:00 I don't think its too hard if you have network connectivity Oct 06 04:31:15 T-Macgnolia, what you trying to build? Oct 06 04:33:29 I want to try and port weos to the HTC Sensation if I can Oct 06 04:33:48 I am trying to set up my build inviroment right now Oct 06 04:34:09 Are am I going at it wrong and need to port the traditional way Oct 06 04:34:28 are the binaries already built with the necessary symbols or do they need to be build separately? Oct 06 04:38:18 T-Macgnolia, I would start with what we have done for the Gnex first. Oct 06 04:38:28 however... Oct 06 04:38:39 iirc the Sensation has the MSM8060 right? Oct 06 04:38:47 Yes Oct 06 04:39:15 Actually it is MSM8660 Oct 06 04:39:52 If I remember right Oct 06 04:39:52 essentially same thing Oct 06 04:40:23 before you take this on be aware that you probably won't get video accel and may have "other" issues... Oct 06 04:40:38 UNLESS...you look @ libhybris first. Oct 06 04:42:01 Ok I understand. So you are saying I should Download the ROM you guys have for the GNEX and try porting it Oct 06 04:42:42 [10:37] [23:07:50] we use standard glibc, libhybris and a modified android bionic. libhybris functions as a handy libdl like dlopen implementation Oct 06 04:42:43 so we can dlopen android libraries, like libEGL/libGLES Oct 06 04:42:51 no Oct 06 04:42:53 we don't have a ROM Oct 06 04:43:09 we have build instructions and recipies you can use as a starting place. Oct 06 04:43:38 Ok I have not looked at those yet, and sorry I just miss understood you Oct 06 04:43:46 what gave you the inspiration to port WebOS to a HTC Sensation? Oct 06 04:44:13 The build instructions and reciepies are all on the wiki right Oct 06 04:44:39 I just decided to try it out, the Sensation really needs something new Oct 06 04:44:42 invalidopcode, there is a part that strips them out...you need to add the debug packages to make them stay in. Oct 06 04:45:15 Plus if i have success with the Sensation I may try doing the same for the Iconia A500 Oct 06 04:45:28 ka6sox: hm... okay thanks Oct 06 04:45:32 T-Macgnolia, we wrote up the most important bits and put them on the wiki...as we get further down the investigation we will add more things as we learn them. Oct 06 04:45:53 I own both the devices as well as a HD2 Oct 06 04:46:08 targets you own is good. Oct 06 04:46:09 :D Oct 06 04:46:33 Cool I am looking at this page of the wiki right now http://webos-ports.org/wiki/WOCE_build_Instructions Oct 06 04:46:47 sorry that is not right for porting Oct 06 04:47:14 Can you direct me then Oct 06 04:47:21 sure, http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Galaxy_Nexus_Build_Setup Oct 06 04:47:40 invalidopcode, you just need to add the "debug" to lunasysmgr Oct 06 04:47:54 or any lib you are debugging with it. Oct 06 04:47:58 Ok then thanks Oct 06 04:48:14 ka6sox: okay cool Oct 06 04:48:15 thanks Oct 06 04:48:18 T-Macgnolia, they are not compleat...but get you going in the right direction Oct 06 04:48:59 That is what i needed was something to get me going Oct 06 04:49:38 of course come back here and let us know how you are doing, if you need something explained or just want to share how things are going with the port... Oct 06 04:49:49 I just updated from Ubuntu 10.10 to Ubuntu 12.04 tonight just for this Oct 06 04:49:55 kk Oct 06 04:50:13 Alright I will do that man and thanks again Oct 06 04:50:16 this will tax a machine.. Oct 06 04:50:28 and will need at least 50GB of space... Oct 06 04:50:41 linking lunasysmgr takes 4GB of RAM. Oct 06 04:51:01 and more cores is better (or lots of time) Oct 06 04:51:32 single core machines are taking 16+hrs Oct 06 04:51:36 4gb of ram? that seems rather extreme Oct 06 04:51:45 its Qt :P Oct 06 04:51:57 well, yes, but i link webkit in much less Oct 06 04:52:11 right Oct 06 04:52:11 My laptop dualboots Windows 7 and Ubuntu Oct 06 04:52:19 put a fan on it. Oct 06 04:52:27 My Ubuntu has a 200 gig partition Oct 06 04:52:56 it has like 125 gig free Oct 06 04:53:13 that'll be good for about 2 runs Oct 06 04:53:16 I have 4 gig of ram Oct 06 04:53:23 how many cores? Oct 06 04:53:32 hey ka6sox Oct 06 04:53:38 And a quad core proccessor Oct 06 04:53:40 bhuey Oct 06 04:54:13 if you are going to dedicate this to doing it then bbtreads 3 and compile threads 4 Oct 06 04:54:37 in conf/local.conf Oct 06 04:56:00 Ok let me do that now Oct 06 04:56:57 I put my laptop on the refridgerator when I did a long bake one day....stayed nice and cool. Oct 06 04:59:10 I will put mine in front of a fan and on the cooling fan i have for it. It gets madd hot when i compile Android with it Oct 06 04:59:30 this will be longer I suspect Oct 06 05:00:22 when you get to the point of wanting to bring up the Video and TS stuff drop back by...maybe we will be further along and can give some tips... Oct 06 05:00:36 Stskeeps, and morphis have been working on Gnex Oct 06 05:01:27 Dang I do not have a config/local.config Oct 06 05:01:39 conf/local.conf Oct 06 05:01:58 run setup first Oct 06 05:02:00 then you wil have it Oct 06 05:02:50 Ok you mean set up from http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Galaxy_Nexus_Build_Setup Oct 06 05:03:41 evening EricBlade_ Oct 06 05:04:02 hey Oct 06 05:04:21 HaDAk|: how far are you from Metro? :D Oct 06 05:06:13 i figured ok, well, i'll sit in the airport and do some work while i wait for my ride out of here, since i am not paying the $50+ for a taxi .. of course there's not a single power outlet available anywhere unless i plug into the baggage carousels Oct 06 05:06:19 which i don't think security would be too happy about Oct 06 05:07:41 Yeah security might get upset about that Oct 06 05:29:28 on a sidenote, how practically difficult should it be to have webos runtime / ui components on a non-OE base? Oct 06 05:29:47 it's pretty well architectured from what i recall Oct 06 05:30:13 or did anybody put the frameworks in a phonegap like setting Oct 06 06:02:44 Stskeeps, yes, enyo stuff runs with phonegap iirc... Oct 06 06:03:06 and they use Webos Runtime on Ubuntu ("Desktop") Oct 06 06:03:59 ok Oct 06 06:08:44 (you can build for "desktop" which is not an OE env... Oct 06 06:08:48 ) Oct 06 07:05:37 mmmh is that normal that my "mcf qemuarm" creates a BUILD-qemuarm/sysroots/i686-linux ? Oct 06 07:06:44 maybe it compiles the cross-compiler, but that sounds a bit strange to me Oct 06 08:56:40 I do hope the bitbake thing for OE is an incremental build, right ? I won't have to wait ~10 hours each time, right ? Oct 06 08:57:06 Tofe: yes Oct 06 08:57:16 Tofe: it just rebuilds things it need to rebuild Oct 06 08:57:41 Good :) After 2.5 hours, it's still at task 265 on 3920 Oct 06 09:00:07 I must say I still don't understand fully what I'm doing. It looks like I'm going to cross-compile the whole glibc-to-UI stack, but then I'm not sure how I will be able to insert the GLES Tegra2 libs in there... Oct 06 09:17:12 Tofe: you're using HP build-webos setup right? Oct 06 09:17:23 morphis: ping Oct 06 09:17:56 right Oct 06 09:18:26 Tofe: webos-ports is using sstate-cache so build could be much faster if you have Ubuntu 64bit Oct 06 09:18:51 Oh. But I'm in a VM, would it really make a difference ? Oct 06 09:19:24 no if it's Ubuntu in VM Oct 06 09:20:12 That's it: I'm in a VM, Ubuntu x32 11.04, all compiling fine (and slow) for an arm target. Oct 06 09:20:45 ah x32 will have different sstate checksums for cross and native stuff Oct 06 09:21:58 as far as I've understood what's going on, it's still compiling the native toolchain Oct 06 09:23:05 which is why I don't understand why having an Ubuntu is so necessary, if the whole toolchain is built from scratch anyway Oct 06 09:26:11 Tofe: not native toolchain, just cross toolchain Oct 06 09:31:00 ok Oct 06 09:34:38 Also, there seems to be a quite limited number of build configurations right now: x64/arm, and ubuntu 11.04/12.04. Do you have a compilation farm to do nightly/weekly builds ? Oct 06 09:36:16 for instance, I could well take the rootfs from scoutcamper, start it from my adapted a500 kernel, and I think it would boot as well as on the prime Oct 06 09:37:47 it's not limited to Ubuntu (I'm using Gentoo for instance) but with Ubuntu you get precompilled sstate so build is faster Oct 06 09:38:07 but it should work with any distribution and version where you have working toolchain Oct 06 09:38:21 and few system tools installed (like chrpath etc) Oct 06 09:38:44 so no pb at all from my archinux x64 for instance Oct 06 09:39:33 (of course we never know before trying :) ) Oct 06 10:22:10 Well, it doesn't compile out-of-the-box for archlinux x64 Oct 06 10:22:23 I'll continue with my VM Oct 06 11:14:02 hi Oct 06 11:15:34 morning Oct 06 11:20:46 now I think I managed to build the galaxy port image. But I'm a bit confused.. what would be the next steps to get this thing onto a device? Oct 06 11:21:14 I'm not even sure what files it did build *scratchs his head* Oct 06 11:36:03 :) I think It is exactly what I will say in some hours Oct 06 11:37:11 (or, given the exciting rhythm of the compilation, some days) Oct 06 11:47:01 Garfonso: what output files do you have? Oct 06 12:15:01 Is it safe to kill brutally (^C^C) bitbake ? Oct 06 12:18:03 looks like it is... Oct 06 12:27:13 where should the output files reside? I just hacked in the commands from the wiki page.. Oct 06 12:28:09 there now is an 18GB folder tmp-eglibc with many stuff inside and some 4.3GB folder sstate-cache. Oct 06 12:30:08 I *think* the output is in BUILD-qemuarm/deploy Oct 06 12:32:17 hm.. don't have such a folder. I just did an update and started the build process again. maybe something changes. ;) Oct 06 13:01:14 Wow, there's a huge gap in performance when leaving the VM... Oct 06 13:01:48 should've done this this morning, it would have been already finished :) Oct 06 13:31:30 mmmh looks like cmake-modules-webos failed... Oct 06 13:32:13 how can I trigger the recompilation of that task ? Oct 06 13:37:58 Tofe: Are you building the qemuarm image? Oct 06 13:38:04 yes Oct 06 13:39:44 On ArchLinux x86_64? me, too Oct 06 13:39:58 ah, no, I've switched :) Oct 06 13:40:06 Now I'm compiling on ubuntu x32 Oct 06 13:40:11 11.04 Oct 06 13:41:31 now i met some build errors... Oct 06 13:42:02 I've tried starting "make cmake-modules-webos", which may be wrong, and it failed, saying something about the git ls remote giving an empty result Oct 06 13:42:37 I tried quickly to start the compilation on archlinux x64, but it failed quickly during the compilation of one of the first modules Oct 06 13:43:08 it is right, you can use "make " Oct 06 13:43:46 Ok, good. And then it says "ERROR: Function failed: Fetcher failure for URL: 'git://github.com/openwebos/cmake-modules-webos;tag=submissions/0;protocol=git'. The command git ls-remote git://github.com/openwebos/cmake-modules-webos submissions/0 gave empty output unexpectedly" Oct 06 13:46:01 well, weird enough, there doesn't seem to be a ref/tag of that name Oct 06 13:46:02 did you update the repo? Oct 06 13:46:18 you mean, build-webos ? Oct 06 13:46:26 or mcf ? Oct 06 13:46:35 build-webos Oct 06 13:46:42 not since yesterday :) Oct 06 13:47:17 so I update my git clone, and restart mcf, and make ? Oct 06 13:47:26 or is mcf not needed here ? Oct 06 13:47:52 maybe you can remove the stamps for cmake-modules-webos and build again Oct 06 13:48:47 what's the version of your cmake-modules-webos? Oct 06 13:49:05 cmake-modules-webos-0-r0 Oct 06 13:49:11 mine is RC4 Oct 06 13:49:15 oh. Oct 06 13:49:21 where is the stamp ? Oct 06 13:49:40 ah, ok, in a subdir of BUILD-xxx/stamps Oct 06 13:50:29 yeah, it's there Oct 06 13:51:05 err, mine is RC3, not RC4 Oct 06 13:51:26 well, I did have a stamp for cmake-modules-webos-native-1.0.0~rc3-10-r0 Oct 06 13:51:59 which I also removed (I guess make webos-image will rebuild it without pb) Oct 06 13:52:29 removing the stamp didn 't help much, it's the same error Oct 06 13:53:17 why your submission is 0? Oct 06 13:53:31 no idea at all :) Oct 06 13:53:47 it should be 13, from what ls-remote gives me Oct 06 13:54:33 the preferred version is 10 Oct 06 13:54:39 maybe the recipe of my meta-webos clone is outdated ? Oct 06 13:55:01 how do you update your repo? Oct 06 13:55:27 I just did git pull in build-webos; nothing more (no mcf, no git pull in the sub modules) Oct 06 13:56:00 try "git submodule update" Oct 06 13:56:08 (I just didn't want to reset the current bitbake progress :) ) Oct 06 13:57:12 check preferred version in meta-webos/conf/distro/include/webos-preferred-versions.inc Oct 06 13:58:54 there's only cmake-modules-webos-native in there (1.0.0~rc3-10) Oct 06 14:00:09 I don't know exactly where this build-webos/BUILD-qemuarm/.././meta-webos/recipes-webos/cmake-modules-webos/cmake-modules-webos.bb comes from Oct 06 14:01:31 # XXX Should error if WEBOS_COMPONENT_VERSION is unset Oct 06 14:01:33 EXTRA_OECMAKE += "-DWEBOS_COMPONENT_VERSION:STRING=${WEBOS_COMPONENT_VERSION}" Oct 06 14:01:51 because there is a BBCLASSEXTEND in the bbfile Oct 06 14:02:04 mmh. Oct 06 14:02:21 ah, here it is: WEBOS_GIT_TAG = "submissions/${WEBOS_SUBMISSION}" Oct 06 14:02:30 nothing strange, at first sight. Oct 06 14:04:47 what is your PREFERRED_VERSION_cmake-modules-webos-native? Oct 06 14:05:42 ?= "1.0.0~rc3-10" Oct 06 14:06:37 so submission "10" Oct 06 14:06:53 yup, and the version of python? Oct 06 14:07:11 2.7.1+ Oct 06 14:07:50 (I installed this ubuntu 11.04 yesterday, I didn't have time yet to mess it :p ) Oct 06 14:08:22 have no idea on thatO:-) Oct 06 14:09:05 well, I can force the submission to be "10" by change the bb file, but I'm not sure the problem won't reappear later Oct 06 14:11:03 currently i met some problems when building boost, it built native x64 libs instead of the expected arm libs Oct 06 14:15:18 well, it just fails a bit later (do_configure) when forcing the right submission tag for the fetch Oct 06 14:17:54 Tofe: you can check logs Oct 06 14:19:06 yepp Oct 06 16:03:39 morning Oct 06 16:03:46 morn ka6sox Oct 06 16:04:16 hiya Stskeeps Oct 06 16:07:51 morning Oct 06 16:11:55 morning JaMa|Off Oct 06 16:52:48 panda-z: I did restart the build from the very scratch (removed build-webos...), and... it now builds ! Oct 06 16:55:47 Tofe: that's weird...anyway, good job;-) Oct 06 16:56:22 well, at least I know a bit more about bitbaker :) Oct 06 16:59:01 what I wonder is, how are we supposed to "specialize" a build for a specific platform ? I know we're supposed to write nyx modules and so on, but what I will have (no choice...) will be a 2.6.38 kernel, and some NVidia GLES blobs Oct 06 17:00:00 I hope the build I'm currently doing isn't already specialized for a specific kernel, or a specific GLES version... Oct 06 17:04:15 morning all. Oct 06 17:06:04 after reading some of rod's comments on openwebOS not working with cdma radios, i feel like i got kicked in the gut. i have a few questions about the open embedded version i hope you guys will answer for me. Oct 06 17:06:43 yo and its prety quiet ere atm Oct 06 17:07:22 i'm interested in the structure. does the open embedded version build with a kernel? is it a completed os or does it require a kernel? Oct 06 17:07:23 k4ever, why are you "kicked in the gut"? Oct 06 17:07:35 the BSP provides the kernel Oct 06 17:08:15 i'm a sprint user. we only have sprint and verizon in my area. i will never have the ability to use a gsm phone. Oct 06 17:08:42 what is BSP? Oct 06 17:10:18 we don't even get lte or wimax Oct 06 17:13:31 what area has no gsm? Oct 06 17:15:02 georgia as a state is pretty well covered. Oct 06 17:15:29 its strange you would be somewhere that has comcast, but not gsm. Oct 06 17:18:34 i'm outside of savannah, inbetween savannah and hinesville. there are so many gsm dead spots, it's insane. Oct 06 17:19:46 here are the coverage maps for att, verizon, and sprint: http://www.rentcell.com/coverage-map-usa-gsm.htm http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/support/coverage-locator http://coverage.sprint.com/IMPACT.jsp Oct 06 17:20:38 k4ever, its not HPs responsiblility to solve the Carrier issue... Oct 06 17:20:42 notice those big holes in gsm coverage between atlanta and jacksonville? Oct 06 17:21:09 the reason for no CDMA support is that the carriers don't provide information to use their modems. Oct 06 17:21:18 so therefore we can't use them. Oct 06 17:21:32 if you want to RE the protocol and publish it then maybe it can be used. Oct 06 17:23:01 ka6sox: i realize what you are saying, which is why it is a kick in the gut for me. att won't extend their coverage to my area (i already asked). i was a loyal att and cingular customer for 12 years until i moved here to retire... Oct 06 17:23:14 :( Oct 06 17:23:16 bbl Oct 06 17:23:53 ..and if sprint or verizon won't share info with hp many of us are stuck moving away from openwebos. Oct 06 17:24:15 ..but that is not why i'm here. Oct 06 17:25:47 i'm hoping that openwebOS could be built to use an android kernel that already has the cdma radio drivers. i'm also confused as to how or why there are hacked android kernels with the radio drivers. Oct 06 17:29:11 as long as the kernel and its modules are there, and it is a reasonably recent kernel (>=2.6), I guess the version doesn't matter much Oct 06 17:31:10 Tofe1: so could a person build the open embedded version of openwebOS, then substitute the default kernel for another one? Oct 06 17:34:09 well, I can't say for sure for openwebos (I'm just playing with it since a few days), but I tried various kernels with the same Mer base, and the rest of the OS couldn't care less Oct 06 17:39:05 that gives me some hope. i have a motorola photon 4g. there are various android replacement kernels available for the phone. my goal is to build the open embedded version, then substitute the kernel for one of the android kernels built for the photon. Oct 06 17:39:56 I think there is hope. I certainly hope so: I will try to do something similar for my tablet :) Oct 06 17:41:01 but I'm quite confident for the kernel part. It's the HW acceleration (nvidia binary blob) that may be tricky for me. Oct 06 17:42:44 hey guys Oct 06 17:43:04 hello Oct 06 17:43:12 hows it goin Tofe1? Oct 06 17:43:47 Quite well now: the VM was too slow, so I've rebooted in a real ubuntu 11.04 :) Much faster now ! Oct 06 17:44:17 I'm about at 33% of the build, I think there 4 hours more to go Oct 06 17:45:25 but, is X part of openwebos's rootfs ? I'm a bit surprised to see libxrandr and its friends on the line... I thought the UI core was based on Qt's QPA eglfs ? Oct 06 17:47:22 thought it was QT as well.. not 100% sure Oct 06 17:47:42 maybe it's a little dependancy mistake, and it's not really used Oct 06 17:49:11 I see also gtk+ 2.24 and gnome-common... no wonder we need 40GB :) Oct 06 17:50:38 lol Oct 06 17:55:28 can i build the open embedded port to an external usb hard drive? Oct 06 17:55:44 40GB is a lot of space... Oct 06 17:55:57 sure, but make sure you have a lot of time ahead Oct 06 17:57:06 faster to build to a internal drive? Oct 06 17:57:28 For me, it will be around 6-7hours, with a quad-core at 2.5Ghz, 2.5GB of RAM and an internal harddrive. Oct 06 17:58:28 If I had used an external USB HD, I guess it would have needed maybe 15hours (only a guess) Oct 06 17:59:35 howdy peoples Oct 06 18:00:05 wow! i better build this on my laptop then. my desktop is ancient and only has 20 gb of internal space left. i have a 1tb external hard drive connect to it. i think i got 100gb of space left on my laptop and it is a quad core with 4gb of ram Oct 06 18:00:17 howdy Oct 06 18:01:02 7 hours is a long time. hopefully it is not a waste of time. Oct 06 18:01:52 and it's mostly for the first compile, it will not be so when doing just an update on the whole stuff -- I do hope so ! Oct 06 18:03:39 But it's not *so* long: 7 hours is just one night, after all. You get the fresh stuff for breakfast Oct 06 18:05:22 i'm setting up the laptop now. it is 2pm where i am so this will be an after dinner snack Oct 06 18:07:20 i just received a couple of Pixi "inductive battery doors" :D Oct 06 18:08:45 looks like the coil is a -perfect- size to fit in my EVO Oct 06 18:14:57 because i still really don't understand at all the whole machine configuration thing, i think i'm just going to try building the tuna build Oct 06 18:19:48 * invalidopcode is phyically opening up this touchpad... just in case anyone was wondering what that disturbance in the force was Oct 06 18:20:24 * Geekpeter waits for galactic implosion and the smell of lemons Oct 06 18:20:40 hahaha Oct 06 18:20:53 why are you doing that, invalidopcode Oct 06 18:21:02 because it won't turn on Oct 06 18:21:09 the warranty ran out Oct 06 18:21:09 maybe if we break a rival tablet, the effects are cancelled out Oct 06 18:21:40 invalidopcode: :( good luck Oct 06 18:21:51 I've had one in this exact same state before and I had to send it to HP and they replaced it :( Oct 06 18:22:05 this sounds like a user error then Oct 06 18:22:19 HEY! Oct 06 18:22:25 headbutting the touchscreen to type the keyboard? Oct 06 18:22:29 haha Oct 06 18:22:39 u shaped tablet Oct 06 18:22:45 the first time was advanced user error... Oct 06 18:22:53 I messed up part of the partition table Oct 06 18:23:02 but this time I have no clue what happened... Oct 06 18:23:10 but it happened the night I installed LunaCE :P Oct 06 18:23:26 * Geekpeter dons tinfoil hat Oct 06 18:24:02 * Geekpeter remembers he has a weird issue to report somewhere once he manages to figure out how to word it and make it sound sane Oct 06 18:24:27 this would probably be a lot easier if I had more advanced tools to work with... taking it apart with a scout pocket knife probably isn't the best solution :P Oct 06 18:24:38 sigh. things i want to do right now: get back to work on open webos. things i must do right now: clean the hell out of my office, and figure out a way that i can actually work reasonably adding the company hardware to my desktop area. then go find a suit. :-S Oct 06 18:25:05 sounds like your gonna need some gaffa tape/black nasty to tape it back together. didnt i hear theres clips inside that snap when you crack it open? Oct 06 18:25:26 invalidopcode: ifixit has a guide to disassembling in a fashion that you may be able to reassemble it afterwards Oct 06 18:25:39 so a hammers out of the question then Oct 06 18:25:58 depends on what "reassemble" means here Oct 06 18:25:59 EricBlade: that's what I'm following :) Oct 06 18:26:19 I'm honestly not too concerned... if I don't get it back together its dead anyway Oct 06 18:26:21 ugh it is an issue more now tho, a year+ on and no way to reliably swap an eventually dead tpad without playing the lottery on ebay Oct 06 18:31:54 these clips are scary... they make this loud "pop" when they release... so you think you snapped something Oct 06 18:32:30 or its your fingers Oct 06 18:38:13 haha i'm still in high school... my fingers don't pop :P Oct 06 18:38:52 hey ive seen lads that are low 20s and have the start of grey hair ¬ ¬ Oct 06 18:39:10 anything's possible :D Oct 06 18:39:48 well I see I've already broken at least one clip... Oct 06 18:39:59 get the black tape handy Oct 06 18:40:57 use engineerign tape to put back together and just slap it in 1 of the gel cases some of us commented on in the forums so hied the abuse :D Oct 06 18:41:04 hide* Oct 06 18:41:13 haha Oct 06 18:41:23 or I'll just superglue it back together! Oct 06 18:41:38 best be good stuff :D Oct 06 18:43:03 and its open :) Oct 06 18:43:24 :) Oct 06 18:47:34 as I'm doing this, I'm visualizing a bunch of Chinese ladies doing this in china.... Oct 06 18:48:08 then realising how inept wed be doing the same thing, and for a crap wage Oct 06 18:49:25 yeah Oct 06 18:49:30 I got the LCD off Oct 06 19:17:45 I still can't get over how small stuff is in here... Oct 06 19:18:10 should be more impressive in the 7"go Oct 06 19:19:53 "engineering tape"? i've never heard duct tape described as such before Oct 06 19:20:49 its thinner and usually called insulating tape afaik Oct 06 19:21:23 gaffa/duct/black nasty (at least the stuff ive had) has always been bigger/chunky Oct 06 19:21:36 Geekpeter: yeah, I can't imagine Oct 06 19:21:42 :) Oct 06 19:21:52 I understand why these things are so expensive how though Oct 06 19:22:15 even more impressive when you think of the chineese/knockoff stuff thats selling dity cheap Oct 06 19:22:15 Fun Fact: did you know the Touchpad has two antennas? Oct 06 19:22:26 bt wifi? Oct 06 19:23:01 maybe... Oct 06 19:32:08 Battery extracted! Oct 06 19:32:22 geez... all that work, just to remove the stupid battery Oct 06 19:32:46 yeah, too bad it wasn't a Go Oct 06 19:32:50 wtb: Touchpad Shock paddles Oct 06 19:32:55 CLEAR! Oct 06 19:33:35 do any tablets have actually user replaceable batteries? i can't think of any i've seen, though i've only seen my own collection, and a small handful of others Oct 06 19:34:00 never seen any advertised, id always assumed they were recovered from spares? Oct 06 19:41:21 haha I won't take apart a GO if I did have one :P Oct 06 19:41:34 yeah but the Go had a removable battery cover Oct 06 19:41:35 :) Oct 06 19:41:41 or, would've had. Oct 06 19:41:58 still gutted their not around Oct 06 19:43:59 anyone know anything about how to tell if a laptop is 100% dead or not Oct 06 19:44:00 ah haha Oct 06 19:44:08 with absolute certainty Oct 06 19:44:13 well I found my problem.... battery has no charge Oct 06 19:44:17 :) Oct 06 19:44:32 ... after being on the charger all night :P Oct 06 19:44:33 no, not battery wise. i mean dead dead dead Oct 06 19:44:46 no lights of any kind? Oct 06 19:44:47 fxspec06: sorry, I was referring to my issue :P Oct 06 19:44:59 or noises Oct 06 19:45:02 i hit power, and i see lights on, and then lights out Oct 06 19:45:15 sounds like it might be a power rail problem? Oct 06 19:45:16 i took hard drives, battery, all out, tried atx reset, nothing Oct 06 19:45:22 opened for dust? Oct 06 19:45:24 yep Oct 06 19:45:25 * invalidopcode tries to sound smart Oct 06 19:45:32 but it does turn on? Oct 06 19:45:38 nothing nothing nothing. the components have power, it has lights Oct 06 19:45:47 the last thing that happened was a blue screen Oct 06 19:45:49 from processor Oct 06 19:45:55 =( Oct 06 19:45:57 pulled out any/all thigns thats unpluggable? hd/keyboard ribbon/etc etc? Oct 06 19:46:05 i OC'd it a lot. Oct 06 19:46:05 ram etc Oct 06 19:46:11 i think it's surgery time Oct 06 19:46:19 you done farked it all up fxspec06 Oct 06 19:46:23 fxspec06: you should join me! Oct 06 19:46:28 id pull out the ram/hd/anythign your able too and power up Oct 06 19:46:35 i think i am moving on alredy =(( Oct 06 19:46:41 if it stays on then its 1 of the things you took out Oct 06 19:46:42 I'm performing surgery on my touchpad... Oct 06 19:46:49 it doesn't even get to bios. Oct 06 19:47:03 cool, then unplug the ram/hd's etc :D Oct 06 19:47:12 and see if it can stay on after that Oct 06 19:47:35 doesnt have to boot or anything, just turn on and stay on Oct 06 19:48:16 it did that earlier when i toook the drives out Oct 06 19:48:57 get anything/everything possible out :D Oct 06 19:49:15 even the cpu Oct 06 19:49:23 maybe not that far :D Oct 06 19:49:26 heh Oct 06 19:49:34 ram at most probably Oct 06 19:50:27 fxspec06: did you remove the CMOS chip by accident? :P Oct 06 19:50:59 no, i think i fried it Oct 06 19:51:11 GPU or CPU Oct 06 19:51:16 fxspec06: let the magic smoke out? Oct 06 19:53:14 I'm wondering if I need to buy a new battery, or if my the USB circuitry is shot Oct 06 19:54:41 invalidopcode: plug it directly in to a correct TouchPad charger, using a known good USB cable, for a day or two. well, if you can get it back together. :D Oct 06 19:55:03 haha well I did that before I took it apart :P Oct 06 19:55:23 I guess I'll see if really power cycling it did anything Oct 06 19:55:29 although even if you can't, i did find out that TouchPads will startup even without their display or wifi or most of the other stuff connected Oct 06 19:55:50 but that doesn't do you much good from a usability standpoint Oct 06 19:55:56 have you done this before? Oct 06 19:56:16 not personally, no. but i saw one boot up in the office the other day that was in several pieces Oct 06 19:56:32 ah okay Oct 06 19:57:20 man i need like a 6 inch long vga extension Oct 06 19:57:28 all i can find are these massive like 10 foot ones Oct 06 19:57:41 for what? Oct 06 19:58:00 so i can move my computer a little farther away from the monitor tree Oct 06 20:00:30 wait, EricBlade... you have broken TPs laying around your office? Oct 06 20:01:21 doesn't everyone? :d Oct 06 20:01:44 haha Oct 06 20:02:13 now comes the real fun... Oct 06 20:13:27 hmm. if i connect my kvm switch to that monitor, it'll work .. but i want to connect the kvm to the other monitor. argh. Oct 06 20:15:41 get a bigger KVM? Oct 06 20:16:36 wow... no extra screws... that's a frist Oct 06 20:16:38 *first Oct 06 20:17:04 invalidopcode, better than leaving screws floating around in the patient. Oct 06 20:17:56 ka6sox: true Oct 06 20:23:37 need GLES help... Oct 06 20:26:50 damnit! cpu swap and ram swap no pass Oct 06 20:26:54 r.i.p. Oct 06 20:27:06 now i know it's not my fault Oct 06 20:27:25 fxspec06, is *always* my fault...ask my Wife. Oct 06 20:27:39 lol ok, but at least it's not MY fault Oct 06 20:27:46 this is definitely all your fault Oct 06 20:27:47 fxspec06: what happened to it? Oct 06 20:27:56 it just stopped working Oct 06 20:28:02 what else happens to electronics Oct 06 20:28:08 i have no idea Oct 06 20:28:15 it won't turn on Oct 06 20:28:21 battery Oct 06 20:28:30 my touchpad is back to only 2 pieces! Oct 06 20:28:48 fxspec06, what are you working on? Oct 06 20:28:52 battery out, hdd/ssd's out, no dvd in, original ram in, original cpu in, both were verified working last time i took it out Oct 06 20:29:03 oh i'm on my desktop. this is my laptop that's broken Oct 06 20:29:06 Battery Oct 06 20:29:30 the little battery that remembers BIOS settings Oct 06 20:29:36 cmos Oct 06 20:29:49 it isn't cmos...its battery stuff... Oct 06 20:29:58 i see it Oct 06 20:30:08 this is hope Oct 06 20:30:13 (did I really just say "battery stuff")? Oct 06 20:30:19 lol Oct 06 20:31:32 fxspec06: actually that's a good suggestion... we used to have a problem at school with the little coin bios battery going out Oct 06 20:31:44 this would make sense why it was having wifi issues Oct 06 20:34:09 i see a screen!! Oct 06 20:34:12 woah! Oct 06 20:34:14 it works! Oct 06 20:34:34 so it was the bios battery? Oct 06 20:34:49 i yanked it and then put it back in. cleared the cmos Oct 06 20:34:53 or something Oct 06 20:35:10 great now i have to put the other cpu in Oct 06 20:37:20 finally..a WIN today :P Oct 06 20:37:30 SO WINNING. Oct 06 20:37:46 i nearly had a heart attack Oct 06 20:38:00 FAILING to understand why GLES is crashing Oct 06 20:39:34 ka6sox: what are you running it on? Oct 06 20:39:43 GNEX Oct 06 20:39:57 ahh Oct 06 20:40:13 did they operate in the /system stuff in the build phase? Oct 06 20:40:15 working on hardware acceleration? Oct 06 20:40:24 trying! Oct 06 20:41:05 Stskeeps, I dunno...I'm no GLES guy....we need to find some GLES help. Oct 06 20:41:28 ka6sox: gles reminds me of dark magic at times Oct 06 20:41:41 Stskeeps, +1 Oct 06 20:53:30 YES. it posts w./ the x8100! woooooooooot tyvm ka6sox Oct 06 20:53:47 s/8100/9100 Oct 06 20:53:49 fxspec06, np....glad to help (any small way) Oct 06 21:09:27 so, we need to get hardware accelleration working on the gnex Oct 06 21:09:41 what is the current issue ShiftyAxel Oct 06 21:10:04 technically, we already have hardware accelleration, but only for luna Oct 06 21:10:14 the cards themselves need to be accellerated Oct 06 21:10:20 Stskeeps: ka6sox tells me you have thoughts on this? Oct 06 21:10:28 and that uses libpiranha? Oct 06 21:10:44 so I believe, from what morphis has said Oct 06 21:11:08 so we need to get that to be accel aware or solve the issues there... Oct 06 21:11:18 indeed Oct 06 21:11:24 if opengl is enabled for it, cards don't launch currently Oct 06 21:11:36 gl or gles? Oct 06 21:11:41 mismo Oct 06 21:12:00 define "don't launch correctly"? Oct 06 21:13:15 as in they don't appear at all Oct 06 21:13:33 do we get any log messages? Oct 06 21:13:44 none thus far Oct 06 21:14:07 is there any level of debug we can enable? Oct 06 21:14:18 (for libpiranha?) Oct 06 21:14:23 tail-ing /var/log/messages would probably be the way to go Oct 06 21:14:32 I've not interacted with libpirahna before Oct 06 21:18:09 what package provides libpiranha? Oct 06 21:18:26 browsrserever? Oct 06 21:28:45 ka6sox: webappmanager I think Oct 06 21:28:56 apparently browserserver is -only- for the browser at this point Oct 06 21:29:00 which surprised me Oct 06 21:29:20 I just want to see if there are debug ifdefs Oct 06 21:39:52 libpiranha should not be needed Oct 06 21:44:31 halfhalo: direct opengl? Oct 06 21:45:07 for qt webkit, yes. Oct 06 21:45:29 webkit _will_ build with opengl stuff if it can Oct 06 21:46:03 For some of my stuff it was pulling in both GL and EGL headers and was trying to use the EGL stuff for texmaps and cards Oct 06 21:59:30 the more i use linux on a daily basis, the more i understand why only us techies use it, jesus this is a frustrating system Oct 06 21:59:54 ls Oct 06 22:00:14 wait.. wtf? when i use my keyboard switch, the output stays here .. Oct 06 22:00:49 so.. i must have something other than this keyboard connected to the switch o.O Oct 06 22:08:36 i got an issue building the openembedded version. i keep getting an error Oct 06 22:09:25 will someone look at this from me: http://pastebin.com/0Uy2z74r Oct 06 22:12:00 ok, got that at least partially straightened out. next thing, the webos-ports docs for building gnex do not work. step 1.4 fails. Oct 06 22:14:00 EricBlade, the "make setup-webos-ports" step? Oct 06 22:14:09 will someone look at the error i'm getting? i can't even build right now after spending almost 2 hours cleaning off my hard drive Oct 06 22:14:10 aye Oct 06 22:15:19 EricBlade: which is step 1.4? Oct 06 22:16:00 ShiftyAxel, same step which does not work for me Oct 06 22:16:14 ah Oct 06 22:16:15 make setup-webos-ports Oct 06 23:19:39 morning jacques Oct 06 23:27:56 morning ka6sox Oct 06 23:31:17 which target are you building? Oct 06 23:53:00 gnex, just to get the process down Oct 06 23:58:55 Oh that is good to here Oct 07 00:03:31 ShiftyAxel: yes, that's the one Oct 07 01:08:47 where do i get the source to port from? Oct 07 01:09:44 i mean, hi! im looking to start work on porting webos and im a little confused on where to find the spurce...:) Oct 07 01:12:30 howdy xbooow59 Oct 07 01:12:39 try http://github.com/webOS-ports Oct 07 01:12:47 or http://github.com/openwebos Oct 07 01:13:05 the latter is HP's mainline OWO, the former is webOS ports' Oct 07 01:14:32 so, i think i'm about ready to get back to doing stuff now Oct 07 01:17:13 so, step 1.1, is "cd into your build directory". Is that supposed to be a specific directory that you've already put something in, or is this just a new directory of your choosing? Oct 07 01:17:44 and it seems that 1.4, "make setup-webos-ports" is failing Oct 07 01:17:48 new directory of your choosing Oct 07 01:18:58 what directory are you in when you are calling that make? Oct 07 01:19:37 in the webos-ports-env where I downloaded the makefile Oct 07 01:19:45 the makefile is complaining that there is no rule for webos-ports/.configured Oct 07 01:26:54 my guess is that there's some seriously significant step that is being missed in the document Oct 07 01:28:17 that would be my conclusion also Oct 07 01:34:43 like perhaps cloning something? Oct 07 01:36:10 I think that's what 'make setup-webos-ports' is meant to do Oct 07 01:36:25 but it isn't in the makefile, so i'm thinking some reworking and redocumenting is in order Oct 07 01:45:57 even following what it actually does in the makefile itself starts failing Oct 07 01:47:31 oh, right, i need to make my userid correct Oct 07 01:50:49 ok, when following what the makefile script does .. the ". setup-env" should read "./setup-env" except setup-env is not flagged executeable Oct 07 01:53:57 when I manually do the steps from the makefile for the setup-webos-ports target, it works Oct 07 01:55:50 yeah .. setup-env is a big question mark though Oct 07 01:56:00 it looks like bash, but it sure doesn't -work- Oct 07 01:58:38 what's your problem, eric? Oct 07 01:59:16 ah, it's intended to be sourced, not run direct Oct 07 01:59:57 "." is not a normal alias for "source" in bash Oct 07 02:00:34 panda-z: that sounded unnecessarily hostile :P Oct 07 02:04:11 A dot/period '.' is a synonym for 'source' Oct 07 02:04:18 not in my bash Oct 07 02:04:50 can't recall that ever being the case in any other bash i've used .. though i haven't written bash scripts in about 10 years, i've been using it off and on during that time Oct 07 02:06:56 i use zsh :P Oct 07 02:08:27 the export PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]OE $MACHINE@$DISTRO\[\033[01;34m\] \w \$\[\033[00m\] ' didn't work :-( Oct 07 02:13:13 that's my understanding too; ". ./foo" == "source foo" Oct 07 02:14:00 well i sourced it, and it mostly started working, but then it started complaining about the bitbake recipes being broken Oct 07 02:14:11 sooooooooooo....... yeah, this is too broken for me to be able to mess with at this time :-S **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 07 02:59:58 2012