**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 08 02:59:59 2012 Oct 08 03:02:39 hiya EricBlade-TP Oct 08 03:02:48 sup? Oct 08 03:03:00 9hr power outage... Oct 08 03:03:11 yuck Oct 08 03:13:56 hola all Oct 08 03:18:15 hi Oct 08 03:20:26 trouble is here Oct 08 03:22:30 oh noes! Oct 08 03:26:33 ~ugt Oct 08 03:26:34 it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Oct 08 03:26:51 nice. Oct 08 03:26:54 morning Roy-Pre101 Oct 08 03:27:01 I'm building for the gnex right now. Oct 08 03:27:09 good Oct 08 03:27:30 hehe thats awesome Oct 08 03:27:30 I did a build of Open webOS the other day. Is any of that work usable again, somehow? Oct 08 03:27:35 so if i leave its night time? Oct 08 03:27:46 yes Oct 08 03:27:57 Jack87, it is not necessarily "nighttime" but it is "late" Oct 08 03:28:04 and as such, goodnight would be appropriate Oct 08 03:28:05 Roy-Pre101, I don't believe that Open WebOS uses shared state. Oct 08 03:28:36 thats funny Oct 08 03:28:45 Jack87, yup Oct 08 03:28:48 what about UTC is that a real time zone? Oct 08 03:28:51 yes Oct 08 03:29:02 Hmm, I'm not positive. I was told it was possible to pre-build parts of OWOS and have it served from a server for other builders. Oct 08 03:29:11 argh Oct 08 03:29:18 now we know! Oct 08 03:29:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time Oct 08 03:29:23 Trying to set up for an open webOS hackathon in Toronto. Trying to see if there's anything we can do in 5 hours. Oct 08 03:29:29 nice try, not a password though ;) Oct 08 03:29:36 i have a log being exported for that ddns script i made from cron to display the date and time when the script was run and it shows utc Oct 08 03:29:39 just an ID Oct 08 03:30:06 Roy-Pre101, yes, create a shared state (or use one of ours) and bitbake any changes. Oct 08 03:30:16 clicked the wrong button on my paster and it tried to run a script in xChat rather than a command line, lol Oct 08 03:30:27 ka6sox: Really need to learn a lot about bitbake. Oct 08 03:30:29 so get a 5day old sstate before you igo. Oct 08 03:30:36 It's completely opaque to me. Oct 08 03:30:47 and then make update and bitbake the world Oct 08 03:30:47 :D Oct 08 03:31:03 we have folks who can help with this Oct 08 03:31:34 Good, good. I need to get my environment set up better, too. Oct 08 03:31:52 what will you be building on? Oct 08 03:31:52 Hoping I can expense some RAM for this other macbook. IT's only got 4GB Oct 08 03:32:06 Oh, they have some sort of workstation set up. I don't know what though. Oct 08 03:32:23 minimum 4 cores, 4GB RAM, 60GB HD Oct 08 03:32:45 and Ubuntu 12.04 Oct 08 03:33:35 otherwise..you will be there till the cows come home. Oct 08 03:45:51 I spent over 24 hours building the first time I did it. Oct 08 03:46:02 I did have things a bit misconfigured, though. Oct 08 03:46:05 Still... Oct 08 03:46:22 you *are* building an entire rootfs...from scratch. Oct 08 03:53:23 It's been at NOTE: preparing runqueue for about an hour or so at this point... Oct 08 03:53:39 I assume it's doing something. Oct 08 04:23:30 Mmm, it's churning right along. 632 of 1161 Oct 08 04:24:11 No clue if this is just a warmup to a bigger compile though. I seem to recall Open webOS had over 3K steps. Oct 08 05:09:17 Oooooh, there we go. 434 of 3539 Oct 08 05:22:44 now for you to sleep... Oct 08 05:22:49 because this will be a while Oct 08 05:23:18 morn Oct 08 05:28:28 Morning folks Oct 08 05:28:30 What's the word? Oct 08 05:28:55 bird's the word? Oct 08 05:29:00 * rrix is working on stitching some panoramas he took while travelling this weekened Oct 08 05:29:07 Stskeeps: hehe, I suppose it would always be the word, huh Oct 08 05:29:50 morning rrix Stskeeps Oct 08 05:30:07 * rrix spent all weekend trying to decide if OWOS would work as a primary OS if it could embed X11 applications Oct 08 05:30:11 I'm still not entirely sure Oct 08 05:30:30 I was on the road all weekend so I pie-in-the-skied about a project I've been meaning to work on for a while now Oct 08 05:30:40 rrix: i wouldn't mind something a-la gnome-shell but with fullscreen apps only, :P Oct 08 05:30:57 Stskeeps: Sooooo LunaSysMgr? :P Oct 08 05:31:34 Definitely moving faster this time. Oct 08 05:31:37 My problem is that for my day-to-day I'm kind of hooked on the ideas of KDE's activity paradigm, which Luna has no idea or parallel to Oct 08 05:31:39 Up to 1795 already. Oct 08 05:31:52 rrix: yeah, i like ABC too Oct 08 05:31:59 I've not found a good way to partition my various projects Oct 08 05:32:04 Without activities, that is Oct 08 05:32:06 though i'm not convinced KDE's intrepretation is good Oct 08 05:32:07 :P Oct 08 05:32:30 So i'd either end up fudging something in to LSM or trying to get Plasma to run on top of OWOS, both of which sound kludgy and horrible Oct 08 05:32:39 Stskeeps: de-TLA ABC for me? :) Oct 08 05:32:47 activity based computing Oct 08 05:32:51 ahh Oct 08 05:32:52 yeah Oct 08 05:32:56 I figured, just checking Oct 08 05:33:05 I've yet to find an interpertation as nice as KDE's though :\ Oct 08 05:33:14 http://www.activitybasedcomputing.com/WhatIsABC/Principles Oct 08 05:33:22 it's going to be even nicer if we end up getting SLC for 4.10 Oct 08 05:33:31 ooh Oct 08 05:33:58 KDE has the first two, but the latter are where I do indeed want KDE to go :\ Oct 08 05:34:05 well, it has #4 too Oct 08 05:34:35 But OWOS lacks all of that so it doesn't really work with my day to day and restricts it to basic consumption Oct 08 05:34:53 I guess that's a copout, I should build that Oct 08 05:34:55 http://projectgrande.wikispaces.com Oct 08 05:35:02 good morning! Oct 08 05:35:23 some ideas i drafted far back and i got sidetracked into doing Mer as a basis for this thing.. Oct 08 05:35:26 :P Oct 08 05:35:50 Stskeeps: That's … a very interesting sounding project Oct 08 05:36:13 Hmmm Oct 08 05:36:22 it's supposed to be very lightweigh Oct 08 05:36:22 t Oct 08 05:36:38 My computing is diverging too much :( it should be converging Oct 08 05:36:39 even had success demos Oct 08 05:37:29 hehe Oct 08 05:38:00 Tangent: Has anyone played with exposing webOS applications/busses on a network and allowing other devices to display/interact with them? Oct 08 05:38:04 how I ended up working on a UI project is somewhat divergent with what I normally do... Oct 08 05:40:12 * rrix needs to get less $dayjob work and a faster computer Oct 08 05:40:21 Those two ideas are in stark opposition Oct 08 05:42:36 * rrix needs to figure out where his order of USB OTG cables went Oct 08 05:48:23 Stskeeps: ok, found out a little bit more Oct 08 05:48:43 Stskeeps: for the WebAppManager process its not using the palm platform module but the webos platform module Oct 08 05:48:53 which calls eglCreateWindowSurface Oct 08 05:53:07 right Oct 08 05:53:11 does luna do that? Oct 08 05:53:45 no, the webos module Oct 08 05:54:02 ok Oct 08 05:54:05 https://github.com/openwebos/qt/blob/master/src/plugins/platforms/webos/qwebosscreen.cpp#L128 Oct 08 05:54:47 it fails with http://pastie.org/4931425 before Oct 08 05:55:13 and it fails way back with eglgetdisplay ? Oct 08 05:55:54 yes Oct 08 05:57:04 ok, so, 1) find out what android NDK apps use in eglGetDisplay for gaining something that isn't the full screen 2) render to a offscreen buffer (probably the shm stuff) Oct 08 05:58:12 Stskeeps: I verified with test_egl and test_glesv2 Oct 08 05:58:22 running test_glesv2 works fine Oct 08 05:58:28 let it running and execute test_egl Oct 08 05:58:46 (added an assert to verify eglGetDisplay doesnt return EGL_NO_DISPLAY) Oct 08 05:58:53 and it just hangs in eglCreateWindowSurface Oct 08 05:59:01 so eglGetDisplay returned a correct value Oct 08 05:59:12 but is called as eglGetDisplay(NULL) and not with EGL_DEFAULT_DISPLAY Oct 08 06:00:31 i also have to say, while i hate to do this, that the complexity of solving this is something that's in my consultancy area and i normally charge companies a fair bit for this :/ so i can give a push in right direction but can't do much more than this Oct 08 06:00:59 let me just find a graph of something i did before, that may help Oct 08 06:01:50 ok, that would help Oct 08 06:02:16 http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/wayland/DRMSGX_rendering.png Oct 08 06:02:54 s/SGX hardware buffers/gralloc buffers/ and s/compositor/luna?/g and s/SGX/libhybris/ Oct 08 06:04:04 ok, will have a look Oct 08 06:04:26 http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/wayland/DRMSGX.png as well Oct 08 06:05:29 that's how it sortof would work with the thing where it's sharing texture ids instea Oct 08 06:05:32 d Oct 08 06:07:33 Stskeeps: I think the picture will help a lot Oct 08 06:07:36 thanks very much! Oct 08 06:07:48 where you'd be passing around gralloc buffers likely Oct 08 06:07:54 sec Oct 08 06:08:06 Stskeeps: ah and using eglGetDisplay(NULL) within the platform module let it succeed for this part but still fails when calling eglCreateWindowSurface Oct 08 06:08:17 "Initialized display 1 4" Oct 08 06:08:38 :nod: Oct 08 06:08:47 eglCreateWindowSurface is hardwired atm to fb Oct 08 06:09:03 http://cgit.collabora.com/git/android/platform/frameworks/base.git/log/?h=pq-egl-wip2 and http://cgit.collabora.com/git/user/lfrb/wayland-demos/commit/?h=android&id=05ddd1c4c41aa2c851555c209ea432dc724238a4 Oct 08 06:09:08 probably comes in handy too Oct 08 06:09:09 and fb is blocked by the first processs Oct 08 06:09:16 right Oct 08 06:10:18 and if you ever wonder what things like that cost in mobile space, drmsgx cost ~5k EUR to prototype Oct 08 06:10:21 :P Oct 08 06:10:43 cause we're using android_CreateWindowSurface? Oct 08 06:10:47 correct Oct 08 06:10:59 ok Oct 08 06:11:02 nice price :) Oct 08 06:12:36 i finally got oe owos to build. all of that for a 219mb file? Oct 08 06:13:15 k4ever: what would you expect more? Oct 08 06:14:27 not really, just a little anti-climatic Oct 08 06:15:08 how do i mount the .ext3 file? i would like to take a look at what is under the hood Oct 08 06:15:39 mkdir rootfs && mount -o loop rootfs.ext3 rootfs Oct 08 06:19:51 thanks! looking at the file system now Oct 08 06:22:42 if i change a file in this system what do i need to do? will it save to the .ext3 file when i unmount? Oct 08 06:24:35 k4ever: yes Oct 08 06:25:44 cool. thanks! one more question how do i move this to an android device and run it? Oct 08 06:27:49 that we haven't got something written up on... Oct 08 06:28:00 at least not yet! Oct 08 06:28:16 right now we are focusing on getting EGL things sorted... Oct 08 06:28:38 HW accel is never easy and this is no exception. Oct 08 06:29:25 ka6sox: good luck! Oct 08 06:30:16 k4ever, this is really pre-alpha or barely alpha stuff...its not meant for "loading up and running as a daily driver" at this point... Oct 08 06:30:36 there exists a very real possibility that you might brick the device. Oct 08 06:32:02 ka6sox: i understand that. i'm actually going to try to get it to run on my device using an android 2.6.x kernel Oct 08 06:33:09 good luck...nyx was not intended for 2.X environments Oct 08 06:43:32 thanks! well it will have to wait a while. i got to get some sleep Oct 08 06:43:40 night all! Oct 08 06:45:01 nite k4ever Oct 08 07:29:03 JaMa|Off: heyho Oct 08 07:31:13 heyho Oct 08 07:34:07 JaMa: we may have to thing about how we can use different component versions of some openwebos components in webos-ports Oct 08 07:34:16 as for example the gesture area work ShiftyAxel|Away does Oct 08 07:34:19 it should go upstream Oct 08 07:34:23 but that may take some time Oct 08 07:34:37 so we may have to use our own repository for it until it's upstream Oct 08 07:36:31 replacing SRC_URI in bbappend? Oct 08 07:36:51 including SRCREV instead of webos_submission Oct 08 07:37:12 something like this but be able to switch to a newer version of meta-webos Oct 08 07:37:18 again later Oct 08 07:37:33 so maybe use our own submission numbers? Oct 08 07:38:47 JaMa: ah one other thing Oct 08 07:39:01 I have a qt component now that needs qmake Oct 08 07:39:02 you mean for upgrade path? Oct 08 07:39:38 inheriting from qmake2 bbclass will pull qt4-native in, do we want to ship our own class to use the not-yet-available qt4-webos-native recipe? Oct 08 07:39:42 JaMa: yes Oct 08 07:40:45 I'm using normal qt4-native for qt4-webos build Oct 08 07:40:55 ok Oct 08 07:41:14 I will just add "inherit qmake2" Oct 08 07:41:29 I had to revert only those suffix changes in qt4-webos for normal qt4-native to work Oct 08 07:41:38 JaMa: sounds good Oct 08 07:41:52 but we have have to stick to what upstream provides a little bit longer Oct 08 07:41:53 but kuta thinks different it seems so he added qmake-webos-native :/ Oct 08 07:42:01 hm Oct 08 07:42:21 JaMa: maybe we should bring this to the openwebos-general mailinglist? Oct 08 07:43:11 I think he fears regressions because of reasons he don't know about the suffix -palm and it's dependencies Oct 08 07:43:51 did you see my discussion with him about this in PR? Oct 08 07:43:56 yes Oct 08 07:44:47 "The decision as to whether to use the upstream qmake is one to be made by the component owner. I've not investigated what, if any, changes beyond suffixing it with -palm that we've made to it, so I can't offer an opinion." Oct 08 07:45:06 so a matter of responsibility Oct 08 07:45:53 JaMa: btw. you cared about my pull-requests? Oct 08 07:45:53 https://github.com/shr-project/qt/commit/7127d42804e89d6636cc0d499e2701d41985beac Oct 08 07:46:01 we would need to identify the component owner and ask what the path they are planning to take is. Oct 08 07:46:08 morphis: yes all PRs rebased and updated Oct 08 07:46:28 JaMa: with comment? Oct 08 07:46:33 morphis, you need to add the DCO lines to your PRs Oct 08 07:46:43 I did not? Oct 08 07:46:56 would be nice if they rebase qt on upstream v4.8.3 like I did Oct 08 07:46:57 I thought I did for each commit Oct 08 07:47:01 morphis: you did afaik Oct 08 07:47:09 okay old info then. Oct 08 07:47:09 I was checking that while rebasing Oct 08 07:47:35 JaMa: can you do me the favour and care about the pull-requests so I can do the other stuff (like nyx-modules)? Oct 08 07:47:41 yes Oct 08 07:48:05 btw there are 2 more branches in wp now, sent-upstream (with all PRs merged) Oct 08 07:48:19 and newer-layers with remaining patches for newer oe-core/meta-oe Oct 08 07:48:28 great Oct 08 07:48:38 and I've added PR bumps to lot of commits Oct 08 07:48:40 JaMa, master is what then? Oct 08 07:48:52 JaMa: ah and can you add yourself to http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/WhoIsWho ? Oct 08 07:49:17 because on some commit where changes were noop, they said they have now the rule to bump PR no matter what changes was done :) Oct 08 07:49:21 morphis: sure Oct 08 07:49:40 ka6sox: upstream/master on which webOS-ports/master was rebased Oct 08 07:49:48 ty Oct 08 07:51:59 so would ShiftyAxel's work is in his own branch of wp/Luna-SysMgr? Oct 08 07:52:17 sheesh..I write poorly after midnight Oct 08 07:52:23 hey ka6sox Oct 08 07:52:31 hey bhuey Oct 08 07:53:33 JaMa, I see it ...nm Oct 08 08:18:12 ka6sox: we may can share things about graphics with the stuff the mozilla people has done for firefox os: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox_OS/Architecture Oct 08 08:19:21 JaMa: and using qt4-native fails: http://pastie.org/4931849 Oct 08 08:26:55 morphis, we need our own architecture document too...I have seen a tool for this. Oct 08 08:27:27 wiki.meego.com/AgileBrowser Oct 08 08:29:02 I need sleep...6hrs from now Oct 08 08:31:04 ka6sox-away: sleep well! Oct 08 08:37:27 JaMa: any idea? Oct 08 08:39:22 morphis: no, let me check if I have spec file in place Oct 08 08:40:40 morphis: ah it's looking in target sysroot Oct 08 08:41:02 morphis: so I guess it won't work without target qt (normal x11-free or embedded) built Oct 08 08:43:06 hm ok Oct 08 08:43:15 then we have to copy the qmake2.bbclass Oct 08 08:43:23 and adjust it for qt4-webos Oct 08 08:44:11 or do the same as for example luna-sysmgr does to use qmake-palm Oct 08 08:46:54 yes, it should be changed everywhere, that's why I'm waiting for kuta's reply or at least his patch in upstream Oct 08 08:47:20 but using unmodified upstream qt4-native seems better idea for distro Oct 08 08:47:27 yes Oct 08 08:47:50 JaMa: I will use locally the bits luna-sysmgr is doing and pushing when things are clarified what will be used Oct 08 08:49:05 I guees the biggest problem for them will be that OE usually defines qt config from metadata and qmake just reads that, so for desktop-build they will have to reuse that somehow Oct 08 08:49:22 hm Oct 08 08:49:34 ok, we have to reenable dbus in qt4-webos too Oct 08 08:52:28 is it really disabled now? Oct 08 08:52:38 not in .bb but in output? Oct 08 08:53:34 in qt-webos.bb they have -no-dbus as config option Oct 08 08:54:08 will reenable it in meta-webos-ports Oct 08 08:54:23 I doubt they will accept this one upstream yet Oct 08 09:55:31 Hi Oct 08 09:58:01 I just realized that apart from the GPU, the GNexus is really close to my tablet in terms of hardware specs Oct 08 09:58:28 Speaking of which, why do you compile the gnexus code as a cortex a8 target ? Oct 08 09:58:39 knowing it is an a9 Oct 08 10:10:50 this way we can share feed with other meta-smartphone devices (n900, crespo, om-gta04) Oct 08 10:11:08 but true after my tune changes in OE we should include cortex-a9 Oct 08 12:44:43 Morning! Oct 08 12:46:23 The build for the GNex didn't take so long as I feared. Only problem.... what to do with it now? Oct 08 13:33:35 morning Oct 08 13:37:14 ka6sox: Morning Oct 08 13:37:42 morn Oct 08 13:38:08 m�p Oct 08 13:38:48 ka6sox: So... How exactly do I install whatever the output of the build is? Oct 08 13:39:45 no installations before coffee....brb Oct 08 13:47:12 :) Oct 08 13:47:37 I was going to say that it was probably unfair to hit someone with that first thing in the morning Oct 08 13:49:06 :) Oct 08 13:55:14 Roy__, we don't have an official manual for that... Oct 08 14:12:24 uh oh....lost Roy Oct 08 16:23:07 * halfhalo stumbles out of bed Oct 08 16:24:58 halfhalo: Morning Oct 08 16:25:50 morning. I guess. Oct 08 16:25:57 Its to early for this stuff dammit Oct 08 16:28:13 dog decided that "go lay at the foot of the bed" really meant " go lay on top of me, then go to the window whenever a car passed by, then jump back on the bed right on me, and then lay back on me" last night Oct 08 16:30:55 at least when the cat does this the entire bed doesn't shake. Oct 08 16:31:54 yes, but can a cat be used as a pillow? I THINK NOT Oct 08 16:32:20 :) Oct 08 16:32:43 and apparently my dog likes the hairdryer almost as much as he likes towels. Oct 08 16:33:02 meaning he runs or growls? Oct 08 16:33:10 which is... he likes them alot Oct 08 16:33:19 to eat? Oct 08 16:35:00 nonono, he likes to be dried off with towels Oct 08 17:01:41 gooooooooooooood moooooooooooooorniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiingggggggggggggggggggg webos-poooooooooooooooooorts Oct 08 17:01:58 * Geekpeter drools Oct 08 17:02:02 hiya EricBlade Oct 08 17:08:05 thats one hot chicken Oct 08 17:08:56 ka6sox: I am going to take a guess and say you are refering to me. lol Oct 08 17:09:27 morning elpollodiablo1 Oct 08 17:09:46 hey Oct 08 17:12:55 every morning there seems to be some good reading material here. I like it Oct 08 17:17:42 we aim for something...hopefully to continue to develop. Oct 08 19:11:55 WARNING: Failed to fetch URL file://59/sstate-expat-armv7a-vfp-neon-webos-linux-gnueabi-2.1.0-r0-armv7a-vfp-neon-2-59324947838ba05375a9f648beb22f90_populate-sysroot.tgz, attempting MIRRORS if available Oct 08 19:11:55 ERROR: Fetcher failure: Unable to find file file://59/sstate-expat-armv7a-vfp-neon-webos-linux-gnueabi-2.1.0-r0-armv7a-vfp-neon-2-59324947838ba05375a9f648beb22f90_populate-sysroot.tgz anywhere. Oct 08 19:12:34 EricBlade: that's not fatal Oct 08 19:12:59 EricBlade: the task should be built later in RunQueue Oct 08 19:13:06 hmm Oct 08 19:13:25 until this point in my life, everything i've ever seen that said "ERROR" was fatal, when "WARNING" wasn't fatal :-S Oct 08 19:14:26 yes the error message should not be shown Oct 08 19:17:09 ok, i know this doesn't seem relevant, but, i need to know where the app is that changes wallpaper Oct 08 19:17:42 rearrainging deckchairs on the Titanic? Oct 08 19:17:56 no, fixing bugs Oct 08 19:18:04 j/k Oct 08 19:18:16 Oct 08 19:18:24 EricBlade: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2012-September/030543.html Oct 08 19:18:28 yeah yeah i know it sounds ridiculous Oct 08 19:18:37 but, i need to import that app from my touchpad to my open webos Oct 08 19:18:44 and i can't seem to locate which piece does it Oct 08 19:19:06 would that be a core-app? Oct 08 19:19:18 one might consider it to be, but it's not in core apps right now Oct 08 19:19:22 heyho Oct 08 19:19:26 INTERESTING. Apparently there are no ssl certs in my build. Oct 08 19:19:36 morphis: who you callin a ho Oct 08 19:19:56 EricBlade: nobody :) Oct 08 19:20:05 only in detroit Oct 08 19:20:07 :D Oct 08 19:20:32 ok, boys we have now working key handling and backlight controller Oct 08 19:23:55 aha, it's /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock Oct 08 19:23:56 sweeeettt!!! :) Oct 08 19:27:47 ShiftyAxel|Away: http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/229 Oct 08 19:32:50 oh hey when did the browser start working in desktop Oct 08 19:34:51 anyone able to tell me that the accounts panel does/does not work in desktop webos right now? Oct 08 19:36:23 EricBlade: on the galaxy nexus it isn't working Oct 08 20:00:30 morphis: Isn't the galaxy nexus port from the OE code? Oct 08 20:01:17 yes Oct 08 20:01:23 but account panel is not working too :) Oct 08 20:03:43 Yes, but that doesn't answer Eric's question Oct 08 20:04:34 don't know about the desktop build .. Oct 08 20:06:22 it is helpful enough for me to assume that it does not work anymore Oct 08 20:06:55 EricBlade: if you find out why it isn't working anymore, please tell :) Oct 08 20:07:22 as this one http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/233 seems to be related to this Oct 08 20:08:37 i didn't realize we had the first use app Oct 08 20:09:14 morphis: not really the task that i'm working on, but i'll see what i can do Oct 08 20:09:29 EricBlade: we have :) Oct 08 20:19:48 morphis: that's interesting Oct 08 20:19:58 is it in core-apps ? Oct 08 20:20:43 firstuse app? Oct 08 20:20:46 Speaking of first-use Oct 08 20:20:53 morphis: yes Oct 08 20:21:10 puuh Oct 08 20:21:11 Does OWO connect w/ our Palm accounts? Oct 08 20:21:19 good question Oct 08 20:21:21 no Oct 08 20:21:41 GodGinrai: the firstuse app is just selecting adding accounts but no palm accounts Oct 08 20:21:46 s/selecting// Oct 08 20:21:46 morphis meant: GodGinrai: the firstuse app is just adding accounts but no palm accounts Oct 08 20:22:05 ah Oct 08 20:22:55 have to leave now Oct 08 20:22:59 already too late Oct 08 20:23:00 bye Oct 08 20:23:08 cya Oct 08 20:23:32 bye morphis Oct 08 22:24:54 folks Oct 08 22:33:42 bhuey Oct 08 23:09:12 Howdy. I have a quick question. Oct 08 23:10:44 ~asktoask Oct 08 23:10:44 methinks asktoask is Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. Oct 08 23:12:39 Thanks lol Since you guys at Ports can't port Open webOS to a CDMA device due to the locked down drivers, does that mean that us at PIC won't be able to get a CDMA compatible device manufactured to run Open webOS? Or is it different because the phone would probably be just a shell? This is my personal curiousity, not my company's. Oct 08 23:13:49 well Oct 08 23:14:10 brandon don't tell me what devices i can't port to. :P Oct 08 23:14:24 If you say so Eric :P Oct 08 23:14:25 you guys could get a CDMA phone manufactured, but we wouldn't be able to get the modem working Oct 08 23:14:48 CDMA is very locked down, so there's no FOSS solution for it Oct 08 23:16:03 Okay. My knowledge on how FOSS works with closed sourced stuff is limited, so bear with me when I ask this: Hypothetically, would you then need a carrier agreement (Sprint/Verizon) to get those drivers working? Oct 08 23:17:38 AFAIK, yes Oct 08 23:17:53 Gotcha. Thanks for answering that :D Oct 08 23:19:41 but I'd advise not getting your hopes up, the carriers hate FOSS and would likely not grant such an agreement Oct 08 23:19:50 yep Oct 08 23:20:27 True. I'm usually an optimist, but that was simply a thought I had. Oct 08 23:20:49 * ShiftyAxel looks forward to the utopian future where carriers are just dumb pipes Oct 08 23:20:58 +1 Oct 08 23:26:13 bedtime for me, nn all! Oct 08 23:26:21 Night, good sir! Oct 08 23:57:44 so, now i've got the system clock and the clock app agreeing with each other.. so long as you don't mind them advancing 4 hours every time you start Oct 09 00:02:01 is there a "nice" way to stop a bitbake run? I need to shutdown my laptop and change locations. Oct 09 00:02:58 suspend your laptop and keep it running when it wakes up? Oct 09 00:03:13 uh Oct 09 00:03:17 EricBlade, uh.... Oct 09 00:03:35 maybe, but I gotta manually change some proxy stuff around for the new location Oct 09 00:03:47 bb may not like that Oct 09 00:04:02 if I ctrl-C it, will it start from where it left off? Oct 09 00:04:32 what does this mean: "Executing SetScene Tasks" ? Oct 09 00:05:01 is it re-doing that because I did a "make update" ? Oct 09 00:05:05 yes Oct 09 00:05:06 it is Oct 09 00:13:09 I think my next phone is going to be more powerful than my OE build box in 2005 Oct 09 00:18:23 feel the powa! Oct 09 00:20:26 ka6sox: hush. i didn't say it was right. :P Oct 09 00:22:24 he he Oct 09 00:44:42 ok, so, it's a QEMU problem Oct 09 00:44:47 well not technically Oct 09 00:44:55 it's a user configuration problem, which could be solved by qemu not being a retard Oct 09 00:54:03 Ut oh... Oct 09 00:54:08 Build failed. Oct 09 00:54:53 Hmm, no space left on device! Oct 09 00:56:26 Sheesh, filled up 100Gb in no time. I guess two builds of Open webOS will do that. Oct 09 01:00:55