**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 12 03:00:02 2012 Oct 12 03:01:15 hey bhuey_ Oct 12 03:35:28 Hello everyone Oct 12 03:35:43 morning Oct 12 03:39:10 morning Oct 12 03:42:58 morning Oct 12 03:43:45 indeed. Oct 12 05:51:36 good morning Oct 12 06:00:54 good morning morphis Oct 12 07:27:44 Is there a current TODO list with the Galaxy Nexus (GSM) port of OpenWebOS? I'm currently building it locally, and have some interest in contributing Oct 12 07:32:53 NCommander: for sure: http://issues.webos-ports.org/projects/ports/issues?set_filter=1&tracker_id=1 Oct 12 07:34:41 NCommander: you have some preference what you want to work on? Oct 12 07:34:57 Not sure. I did a *lot* of Android hacking and reverse engineering on Android in the past Oct 12 07:35:10 yeah, sounds like something we need Oct 12 07:35:15 * NCommander reverse engineered the T-Mobile G1 camera blobs 2 years ago Oct 12 07:35:44 so I have some idea how the system goes together. Oct 12 07:35:48 NCommander: yeah, we still have work open related to the camera on the gnexus :) Oct 12 07:36:08 * NCommander mutters that Google likes to rewrite the camera APIs every major version Oct 12 07:36:10 NCommander: you already have a gnexus device? Oct 12 07:36:18 Yeah, a Europian one Oct 12 07:36:32 Paid a bloody hefty price for it in November of last year to import it Oct 12 07:37:21 ALways wanted to play with WebOS but I have an allergic reaction to AT&T. It makes me turn and run :-) Oct 12 07:37:32 :) Oct 12 07:37:36 (aka, no webos devices for T-Mobile) Oct 12 07:38:03 NCommander: sounds like a good base to start development Oct 12 07:38:06 * NCommander is going through the various bits and pieces Oct 12 07:38:08 NCommander: you have experience with OE? Oct 12 07:38:20 SOme, but its dated Oct 12 07:38:52 I think one of the big things that could be done is making the images fastboot'able Oct 12 07:39:50 Kernel and ramdisk is easy. /system is harder, and if memory serves, the GN only has one stupid large partition than the more traditional multi-partitions used in most devices Oct 12 07:40:28 yes, that would be some big improvement as of right now we're looping the ext2 image Oct 12 07:40:33 dual booting would be nice too Oct 12 07:40:45 * NCommander winces Oct 12 07:40:50 Looped ext2 is painful Oct 12 07:40:53 NCommander: would be really nice if you can work on this Oct 12 07:40:54 yes Oct 12 07:40:56 but it works Oct 12 07:41:04 dual booting is a neat trick Oct 12 07:41:11 But you have it working in a chroot so its not impossible Oct 12 07:41:23 yes Oct 12 07:41:27 And dynamically killing Android and starting WebOS (or via versus) isn't that hard Oct 12 07:41:31 we're able to chroot just into a folder on the internal flash Oct 12 07:41:43 but that needs additional work to extract the image on the device Oct 12 07:41:46 I used to same trick to run an Ubuntu dev environment on my phone Oct 12 07:42:08 Well, stock filesystem is yaffs (I think) Oct 12 07:42:20 Why do you need to loopmount? Just have /data/webos be rw Oct 12 07:42:27 (or more specifically, create /data/webos) Oct 12 07:43:05 oh, then the obvious answer hits me; most devices don't have a nice giant 16 GiB thing of flash Oct 12 07:43:07 no it's ext2 Oct 12 07:46:16 * NCommander waits for his desktop to finish building Oct 12 07:46:22 Guessing its going to be ~1-1.5 hours Oct 12 07:47:24 iirc most rootfs for Android are ext4 Oct 12 07:47:43 G1-Nexus One were JFFS2 or YaFFS Oct 12 07:47:59 Android has no real filesystem requirements as long as they support all the permission bits required Oct 12 07:49:16 re: dual booting...when we worked with Optware4Android a while ago we modified the init to start SysVinit (yes it wasn't process 1) and that worked well. Oct 12 07:50:12 I was thinking we could let the android init setup Filesystems and such and then if going to webOS then pivot root like TP does at end of initramfs run. Oct 12 07:50:14 * NCommander has "issues" with the android init system Oct 12 07:50:37 it is one huge monolitic "thing" Oct 12 07:51:37 Crazy idea is to build an update.zip which installs webos in /data/webos, and dynamically patches the init scripts to do the correct magic. init.rc is relatively standard so you could amend webos's luna services to the bottom without it actually starting the UI (and grabbing fb0 under Android) Oct 12 07:52:11 At least on the Galaxy Nexus, Android goes crazy if something tries to grab /dev/graphics/fb0 while android_server is still running Oct 12 07:52:27 er, zygote, not android_server Oct 12 07:52:30 NCommander: no, it has to do a lot more Oct 12 07:52:34 no interfacing with android Oct 12 07:52:55 it has to start a complete init system with pid 1 Oct 12 07:53:07 Ah Oct 12 07:53:13 we can do that with pivot_root Oct 12 07:53:14 * NCommander is still new to webos internalling Oct 12 07:53:56 pivot_root will allow Upstart to become ID 1 Oct 12 07:54:09 webos uses upstart? Oct 12 07:54:12 yes Oct 12 07:54:14 NCommander: we need to boot a complete separate system Oct 12 07:54:19 * NCommander beats his head on the desk Oct 12 07:54:25 nothing to share with an running android system Oct 12 07:54:33 NCommander: why? Oct 12 07:54:34 I know the guy who wrote upstart. It hates being in a chroot Oct 12 07:55:02 <- *ubuntu core developer* Oct 12 07:55:06 right, which is why we let the android init.rc boot and then, at the end, pivot_root to webOS. Oct 12 07:55:31 RIght, that makes sense now. At least I'm familar with the init system Oct 12 07:55:56 this is how the Touchpad and other devices I've worked with solve this. Oct 12 07:55:57 webos to me looks a LOT like a standard Linux distro vs. Android's fun Oct 12 07:56:05 absolutely Oct 12 07:56:20 which was a lot of appeal, despite the closed nature of the luna stack Oct 12 07:56:24 its made with OpenEmbedded. Oct 12 07:56:31 the luna stack is open now Oct 12 07:56:37 ^- at the time :-) Oct 12 07:56:38 its all there. Oct 12 07:56:42 right Oct 12 07:57:05 So OPenWebOS is essentially equivelent to webos 2.x? (i.e., it even has a market and such?) Oct 12 07:57:09 back to your update.zip idea. Oct 12 07:57:13 closer to 3.x Oct 12 07:57:36 2.x is phones, and 3.x is tablets... Oct 12 07:57:56 we are backporting "features" to make it work on the phone Oct 12 07:57:59 ah Oct 12 07:58:02 or forward porting I guess. Oct 12 07:58:12 * NCommander nods Oct 12 07:58:21 Well, the biggest question is how do you install Oct 12 07:58:25 yeah forward porting is the better term Oct 12 07:58:27 right Oct 12 07:58:41 the current method is not able to be used by the masses... Oct 12 07:59:00 its too complicated and fraught with potential pitfalls. Oct 12 07:59:02 Unless all the Android bits currently used (3D/RIL) are reverse engineered and rewritten from scratch, we're in the annoying situation that we can't actually distrbute a fastboot'able image Oct 12 07:59:23 LibHybris Oct 12 07:59:32 ? Oct 12 07:59:41 NCommander: we're using android binaries for graphics Oct 12 07:59:50 the ones on the device Oct 12 07:59:51 and we already reverse engineered the modem protocol Oct 12 08:00:10 NCommander: https://github.com/morphis/libsamsung-ipc Oct 12 08:00:20 NCommander: https://github.com/morphis/libhybris Oct 12 08:00:34 we have video acceleration working for the main UI Oct 12 08:00:35 WOw Oct 12 08:00:36 Nice Oct 12 08:00:58 https://github.com/stskeeps/libhybris Oct 12 08:01:04 he found it first Oct 12 08:01:10 yes Oct 12 08:01:18 I was considering an idea of just writing a wrapper to connect WebOS around the RIL library in Android (which is low-level enough), but it seems that bit isn't necessary Oct 12 08:01:41 NCommander: yes, I already implemented support for libsamsung-ipc in ofon Oct 12 08:01:43 o Oct 12 08:01:56 connman/bluez are working too Oct 12 08:02:05 so we have to integrate everything into a nice package Oct 12 08:02:09 and it will use Connman and bluez Oct 12 08:02:12 and make it usable Oct 12 08:02:13 yay Oct 12 08:02:28 * NCommander likes it when embedded solutions use standards :-) Oct 12 08:02:34 :) Oct 12 08:02:36 * ka6sox too Oct 12 08:02:46 NCommander: only camera is missing :) Oct 12 08:02:47 hrm Oct 12 08:03:00 So reverse-engineer the camera stack, or make easily buildable images Oct 12 08:03:04 The former is a blasted PITA Oct 12 08:03:22 (taking pictures itself wasn't so hard, but videos required hooking into the 3D crud) Oct 12 08:03:25 (at least on the G1) Oct 12 08:03:34 I think to get more people involved we should really improve the build infrastructure Oct 12 08:03:41 so it's more easy and failure less to use Oct 12 08:03:49 Probably fastboot-able images Oct 12 08:03:54 NCommander: yes Oct 12 08:03:58 shouldn't be that hard Oct 12 08:04:04 we're doing already fastboot-albe kernels Oct 12 08:04:08 Kernel and ramdisk is easy, thats standard Oct 12 08:04:22 Need to look at what the GN wants for /system (or maybe /) in this case Oct 12 08:04:36 But its generally the equivelent of a dd'able blob Oct 12 08:04:41 we just need to make the last thing the ramdisk do is pivot_root Oct 12 08:04:56 NCommander: please first take a look at what we already have so far Oct 12 08:05:09 I'm reading through the wiki now Oct 12 08:05:12 ok Oct 12 08:06:28 Is there a page with install instructions on the device? I found the build instructions and the build is running ... Oct 12 08:06:36 not yet Oct 12 08:07:21 right Oct 12 08:07:31 Guess some trial and error is required :-) Oct 12 08:08:58 to say the least its not pretty Oct 12 08:09:15 It can't be THAT bad :-P Oct 12 08:09:20 If memory serves, webos devices, in developer mode basically show up as a USB serial device, correct? Oct 12 08:11:55 USB stick Oct 12 08:11:58 aka disk Oct 12 08:12:22 oh Oct 12 08:12:24 also has rndis + "novacom" Oct 12 08:12:28 ah Oct 12 08:12:39 * NCommander admits a fondness for adb TBH Oct 12 08:12:50 novacomd is similar Oct 12 08:13:27 storaged uses cryptofs to disconnect the large partition so that it can be seen as a USB Stick device Oct 12 08:27:20 ka6sox: I disabled first-use app in webos-ports for now Oct 12 08:27:52 good Oct 12 08:28:17 the web-infra to support that is not there (not to mention we need connman) Oct 12 08:29:08 yes Oct 12 08:29:15 I will work on this as next task Oct 12 08:29:33 and will head over hw-accel work to heeen and Garfonso Oct 12 09:37:57 Holly shit I just sucessfully built a image for tuna. Hell yeah!!! Oct 12 09:41:33 T-Macgnolia: how big is the build directory? :P Oct 12 09:42:30 I am looking for it right now. I had now errors when I used the MACHINE=tuna bb webos-image command Oct 12 09:42:50 NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 3539 tasks of which 3118 didn't need to be rerun and all succeeded. Oct 12 09:44:14 Do I look in WEBOS/webos-ports-env/webos-ports/tem-eglibc/buildhistory/images? Oct 12 09:48:43 Wait I think it is in WEBOS/webos-ports-env/webos-ports/tem-eglibc/deploy/images/tuna Oct 12 09:51:17 chroot-image-tuna s 1.7mb Oct 12 09:52:55 webos-image.tar.gz is 67.7mb Oct 12 10:01:09 penk I am letting my laptop calculate the total build folder size Oct 12 10:01:38 Xbox Huge Oct 12 10:03:18 hey ka6sox Oct 12 10:03:47 heya bhuey about to turn in...just doing a little github maintainence Oct 12 10:04:20 how about nfs boot via usb cable, as it is easier to debug Oct 12 10:04:54 ..i mean the porting of owebos Oct 12 10:05:29 panda-z, to what? Oct 12 10:06:03 It is not over a 100gigs I know because I got jut a little over 200gigs partitioned for Ubuntu, and I still have 103 gigs left Oct 12 10:07:42 ka6sox: the rootfs can be placed on pc, and boot via nfs. sometimes ago i did successfully boot ics on pre3 via nfs Oct 12 10:07:54 yes, that works Oct 12 10:08:04 for development Oct 12 10:10:38 and it is safe because nfs don't change things on phone Oct 12 10:11:04 yup Oct 12 10:11:27 is there nfs client for Android? Oct 12 10:12:23 I don't think there is a native one Oct 12 10:12:54 apks though Oct 12 10:13:41 add it to the initramfs Oct 12 10:13:54 and pivot_root to nfsroot Oct 12 10:14:02 dunno, but novaterm can pass commandline arguments to kernel Oct 12 10:15:11 ka6sox, apks will not run from initramfs :) apks are java and need the system to be operational first Oct 12 10:15:36 HMM it says my build folder is only 27.1 gigs that can not be right Oct 12 10:15:41 also you would really need it from bootloader, cause / in android is the initrd Oct 12 10:16:03 right..I was saying add the nfs stuff to the initramfs and make sure pivot_root is there and we are golden....sorta) Oct 12 10:16:17 it would be a pain Oct 12 10:16:30 if u-boot had wireless it would be better :p Oct 12 10:16:48 but then again, you could probably nfs /system and fastboot the kernel/initrd Oct 12 10:21:47 I would use rndis with nfs. Oct 12 10:21:51 okay waaaay past my bedtime... Oct 12 10:22:00 nn all Oct 12 10:22:57 ka6sox-away: night Oct 12 10:24:07 nn Oct 12 10:25:43 haha it must be clearly past your bedtime, it is approaching a normal bedtime here Oct 12 10:26:13 I am about to watch the sun rise here Oct 12 10:33:54 heh Oct 12 10:36:18 I can not beleive I actually got a full build for tuna tonight. I guess tomorrow I can do a clean and then try to start addind things for the pyramid Oct 12 10:45:57 morning Oct 12 10:46:26 trying to setup nyx for managing touch screen. how it's working on GNexus? Oct 12 10:54:54 warzon: morning Oct 12 10:55:02 warzon: you're using webos-ports as build env? Oct 12 10:55:30 no, i'm using stock openwebos Oct 12 10:55:30 and you're building for which machine? Oct 12 10:56:00 i'm building for my development tablet based on allwinner cpu Oct 12 10:56:22 so you have a machine definition in OE for it? Oct 12 10:56:29 i see your additions to nyx-modules Oct 12 10:56:35 yes Oct 12 10:56:47 warzon: look at this one: https://github.com/webOS-ports/nyx-modules/commit/98a5f56209cca400888be19a356a99f086f74f63 Oct 12 10:56:54 you need a machine definition inside nyx-modules Oct 12 10:57:09 look through the changes I did to nyx-modules: https://github.com/webOS-ports/nyx-modules/commits/webOS-ports/master Oct 12 10:57:16 some of them will go upstream very soon Oct 12 10:57:33 very important is this one: https://github.com/webOS-ports/nyx-modules/commit/d93ffd9c5f93900ba9d4282a100c56344084f3b5 Oct 12 10:57:51 i did it Oct 12 10:58:07 i'm interesting how events go to luna Oct 12 10:58:27 i mean can't see the code that will get events from nyx Oct 12 10:58:58 warzon: it's in the qt module Oct 12 10:59:03 the palm one Oct 12 10:59:22 you will need some additions to qt as well Oct 12 10:59:41 can you give link to the commit Oct 12 11:00:22 https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/tree/master/recipes-webos/qt4 Oct 12 11:00:43 you need the two patches and to compile qt with different config options Oct 12 11:01:05 https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos/commit/78aef1aa8b7c8062f24097554be06d7e3bd4944d Oct 12 11:01:09 ShiftyAxel: heyho Oct 12 11:01:31 warzon: the last one is really important Oct 12 11:01:41 warzon: btw. how far you're with the graphics? Oct 12 11:01:46 you got libhybris working? Oct 12 11:03:00 hybris is working but i have some issues with rendering , i surfaces is black and text is rendered as a white cubes Oct 12 11:03:21 all* Oct 12 11:03:35 hm Oct 12 11:04:08 white cubes is maybe related to some font rendering issue inside qt Oct 12 11:04:14 was a problem in very early builds Oct 12 11:04:50 i'll try newer qt soon Oct 12 11:05:45 ok Oct 12 11:07:03 now i am researching nyxlib . in early builds i'm using slightly modified LinuxInputMouse plugin for touch. Oct 12 11:08:10 ok Oct 12 11:09:57 @morphis and warzon a huge thank you Oct 12 11:11:41 morphis any advice on what I can take froma Android ROM to help me with my project, or any other advice in general? Oct 12 11:16:39 T-Macgnolia: what is your project? Oct 12 11:17:39 pyramid Oct 12 11:17:53 HTC Sensation arm v6 Oct 12 11:18:05 puuh Oct 12 11:18:18 there is no simple advice what you have to take from A and where to put into B Oct 12 11:18:19 oh come on Oct 12 11:18:30 whats the current state? Oct 12 11:18:31 lol Oct 12 11:18:56 howdy stefan_schmidt_w Oct 12 11:18:57 er Oct 12 11:18:59 stroughtonsmith, Oct 12 11:19:11 hey, and lol Oct 12 11:19:24 silly tabcomplete Oct 12 11:20:29 well later today I will start trying to migrate and ad files that i know will be need. I finally got a complete build for the GNEX over the night. I wanted to get a full build for it so I knew I had my enviroment fully set up Oct 12 11:20:31 T-Macgnolia: you have already a machine definition for the device in OE? Oct 12 11:20:49 I do not think so Oct 12 11:21:06 I will have to add one Oct 12 11:21:08 yes Oct 12 11:21:12 hi Oct 12 11:21:14 that should be the first step Oct 12 11:21:19 T-Macgnolia: you have to add it to meta-thc Oct 12 11:21:22 but it is three HTC devices there already Oct 12 11:21:26 s/meta-thc/meta-htc/ Oct 12 11:21:26 morphis meant: T-Macgnolia: you have to add it to meta-htc Oct 12 11:21:33 https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-smartphone/tree/webOS-ports/master/meta-htc Oct 12 11:22:05 T-Macgnolia: you have to add one specific for the sensation Oct 12 11:22:18 do that as first step and get the build working Oct 12 11:22:21 then you can continue Oct 12 11:22:30 Yeah I had already found the s/meta-thc/meta-htc/ and i new that I would have to add a pyramid folder there Oct 12 11:22:44 no pyramid folder Oct 12 11:22:53 add a pyramid/sensation.conf here https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-smartphone/tree/webOS-ports/master/meta-htc/conf/machine Oct 12 11:23:02 with correct configuration Oct 12 11:23:05 then you need a kernel Oct 12 11:23:09 Ok thanks man i will work on that later today i have got to go to bed before long watching the sun rise here right now lol Oct 12 11:23:25 T-Macgnolia: ok, tell me if you need some help Oct 12 11:23:56 do I need to gab a prebuilt kernel Oct 12 11:24:03 no Oct 12 11:24:05 morphis: If I have a working acer a500 build, would it be ok to push it to github, or is it far too early ? Oct 12 11:24:13 you will build it with OE Oct 12 11:24:32 ok Oct 12 11:24:36 I understand Oct 12 11:24:39 Tofe: what does that mean: "acer a500 build" Oct 12 11:24:41 the image? Oct 12 11:24:43 (by working, I mean it builds... it doesn't boot yet) Oct 12 11:24:57 Acer Iconia A500 tablet Oct 12 11:25:05 I have one too Oct 12 11:25:19 morphis: no, I mean the .bb and .conf and so on, under meta-acer Oct 12 11:25:29 So Tofe if you you need a tester I am game Oct 12 11:25:35 ah ok, so you created a meta-acer as part of meta-smartphone? Oct 12 11:25:45 yes Oct 12 11:25:57 but outside of git, right now, of course Oct 12 11:26:21 and I didn't grab the licenses either, there may be some work to do there Oct 12 11:26:38 Tofe: ok, then please fork meta-smartphone from https://github.com/shr-distribution/meta-smartphone Oct 12 11:26:44 and add your work Oct 12 11:26:56 we can merge it later Oct 12 11:27:02 and will be happy to do Oct 12 11:27:24 I guess I'll have to modify a bit the update scripts too locally on my machine, isn't it Oct 12 11:27:35 update scripts? Oct 12 11:27:48 ah you mean webos-ports-setup Oct 12 11:27:49 depends Oct 12 11:27:52 you don't have to Oct 12 11:27:53 yes Oct 12 11:27:55 just fork the repository Oct 12 11:28:06 add another remote entry in your local meta-smartphone Oct 12 11:28:09 and commit to a branch Oct 12 11:28:15 then just push the branch to your remote Oct 12 11:28:17 with Oct 12 11:28:27 git push my-remote-on-github my-working-branch Oct 12 11:28:33 okay, I'll do like that Oct 12 11:28:48 so you can keep your setup but use a local branch Oct 12 11:29:19 T-Macgnolia, Tofe: after you have a valid machine configuration and a working kernel you can continue with getting the device to boot Oct 12 11:29:23 will be interesting :) Oct 12 11:30:14 ShiftyAxel: but your GestureArea work is really nice Oct 12 11:30:18 ok Oct 12 11:30:32 ShiftyAxel: I just have a white area on the lock screen Oct 12 11:30:32 I've got a working kernel I think, but for some reason init doesn't want to execute. I have to modify my kernel cmdline to make it show more details than just the A500 logo ;) Oct 12 11:30:54 :) Oct 12 11:31:07 working in the dark ... all-time funny :) Oct 12 11:31:30 yes, that way we are sure we don't progress too fast Oct 12 11:32:02 lol Oct 12 11:32:16 what version of upstart do you use, by the way ? Oct 12 11:32:18 Tofe, T-Macgnolia: one thing about porting: do it step by step and don't concentrate on the higher levels before you don't get the lower ones working Oct 12 11:32:27 Tofe: the one shipped with openwebos Oct 12 11:32:32 morphis: yeah, that's something I need to fix. I think it's because i'm using the status bar window manager, and it behaves differently on the lockscreen Oct 12 11:32:41 ok Oct 12 11:32:58 ShiftyAxel: tell me when you're ready with your additions so we can merge it to wop Oct 12 11:33:04 sure thing Oct 12 11:33:09 :) Oct 12 11:33:25 morphis: i'm building qt with correct options. keyboard-support-compilation-fix.patch - this code speaking about keyboard , but what about code that works with touch events? Oct 12 11:33:45 warzon: should work as it is Oct 12 11:33:52 you just need the nyx module installed Oct 12 11:34:09 which is not when you don't add a configuration file for your machine to nyx-modules Oct 12 11:35:08 ShiftyAxel: btw. you saw the white box in the browser app? Oct 12 11:40:40 morphis: ya, that's because it's hardcoded to 1024x768 or so Oct 12 11:40:48 baaah Oct 12 11:40:52 will add a bug for this Oct 12 11:41:09 it's easy to fix, a very small modification to the CSS to change from 768px to 100% Oct 12 11:41:18 and vice versa for 1024 Oct 12 11:41:55 bug created Oct 12 11:42:00 yes Oct 12 11:42:11 if someone wants to care: http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/249 Oct 12 11:44:57 cool Oct 12 11:46:19 the apps need scaling atm anyway, so the fix will either come from that or modifying the CSS Oct 12 11:46:31 though it's best practice to write apps that can actually scale these days... silly HP Oct 12 11:49:53 My tablet will be 1280x800, so I'll surely detect some of these pb... as soon as the UI boots. Oct 12 11:54:58 Tofe: we have 720x1280 on the gnexus Oct 12 12:09:29 hm, webos seems to expect 95-100% battery capacity as 100% Oct 12 12:09:35 interesting Oct 12 12:12:18 wouldn't surprise me if that was a workaround for some sort of hardware issue Oct 12 12:13:13 :) Oct 12 12:13:50 *cough*Touchpad*cough* Oct 12 12:14:15 actually Oct 12 12:14:20 most things do that. Oct 12 12:14:29 my old macbook did. some of my old phones have. Oct 12 12:14:34 i believe that's rather common. Oct 12 12:15:15 that top few percent of the battery does not always charge Oct 12 12:15:30 on, like, most devices Oct 12 12:23:10 that's a good thing: charge cycles are limited, and given the fact that we never know exactly the battery status, 95% is quite the same as full Oct 12 12:38:30 tablet ... nice Oct 12 12:48:48 Yes well, we'll see how silky smooth it will be Oct 12 15:42:51 hm, somehow the powerd source is unfinished Oct 12 15:46:41 or I am wrong ... Oct 12 15:56:12 what's your issue with it? Oct 12 15:57:07 Garfonso: battery updates are not provided Oct 12 15:57:14 as there is no polling right now implemented Oct 12 15:58:11 was wondering why I only get 100% all the time Oct 12 16:35:01 morphis, powerd source will require nyx-modules to be "finished" Oct 12 16:35:23 ka6sox: yes, I am working on this right now Oct 12 16:35:31 but somehow the nyx API is confusing Oct 12 16:36:04 agreed Oct 12 16:36:37 can document the details when I am finished Oct 12 16:36:44 it will be some tiny hack but should work Oct 12 16:36:53 lets get the clean solution done later Oct 12 16:37:12 morphis, better is the enemy of good enough for alpha Oct 12 16:38:39 yes Oct 12 16:38:49 too much problems to focus on the tiny bits right now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 12 17:18:10 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 12 17:20:22 2012 Oct 12 18:15:16 https://twitter.com/#!/webOSdev/status/256807069376712704 Oct 12 18:29:59 Roy__, do you intend to distribute this via Preware, App-Cat or ...? Oct 12 18:30:40 EricBlade: you need to slap somebody at hp for me. Oct 12 18:30:45 We haven't decided on that. Oct 12 18:30:54 EricBlade: i can't sign up for or verify my account to openwebosproject.org :| Oct 12 18:31:02 I suspect that enterprising people with Preware will do -something- with it. Oct 12 18:31:14 HaDAk: Why not? Oct 12 18:31:27 Roy__, I hear this on the ML too... Oct 12 18:31:30 same thing Oct 12 18:31:36 i have same issue Oct 12 18:31:37 it asks me to follow the link in my inbox. when i do, it gives me the login page, and when i try to log in, it says to follow the link in my inbox. Oct 12 18:31:45 Hmm... Oct 12 18:31:55 There was another person with that problem... Oct 12 18:32:09 Can you forward me the e-mail you received with the link? Oct 12 18:32:16 Roy__, I have same issue too...along with about 5 others. Oct 12 18:32:30 address? Oct 12 18:32:55 * scoutcamper thinks there is a backend issue with openwebosproject.org Oct 12 18:32:57 roy.sutton@palm.com Oct 12 18:33:09 sent. Oct 12 18:33:19 There could be… we're load balancing a system that wasn't intended for load balancing. Oct 12 18:33:34 hey Roy__ � sorry :) Oct 12 18:34:26 i broke your website, haha Oct 12 18:34:29 Roy__, email sent. Oct 12 18:34:42 HaDAk, nope... Oct 12 18:39:40 You're both fixed now. Oct 12 18:39:53 Trying to figure out /why/ the validation isn't happening. Oct 12 18:40:02 excellent. thank you :) Oct 12 18:40:14 thanks! Oct 12 18:40:18 I can see that there doesn't appear to be an error message given if the hash is bad. Oct 12 18:40:37 The hash could have expired… but we don't seem to offer a way to re-send the hash. :P Oct 12 18:40:48