**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 30 02:59:58 2012 Oct 30 06:13:48 one step closer. qt4 did finished compiling. "Currently 1 running tasks (1364 of 4610): 0: qt4-webos-4.8.2.03-1.01-r31 do_install (pid 13596)" would be nice if it actually builds completly. Oct 30 06:15:49 cntinentl-tired, what TZ are you in? Oct 30 06:20:14 ka6sox: gmt+1....I think. Oct 30 06:21:43 tell me you didn't stay up all night working on this... Oct 30 06:23:17 ka6sox: nah, just stayed up and looked once in a while how the building goes. the build server is just a old dual-core so it's just slow, not me working on it all the time. Oct 30 06:23:49 with the Jenkins builders I just start it off and go to bed. Oct 30 06:26:08 ka6sox: well, I didn't expect it to actually build this far. I thought it'll break at least at building TI's libgles.... but that worked, surprisingly. Oct 30 09:07:54 morphis: morning Oct 30 09:08:04 warzon: morning Oct 30 09:09:06 it seems to me that owebos developers did't interested in changing the working of graphics subsystem Oct 30 09:09:31 you can be sure they are Oct 30 09:12:30 but it will take some time an the development process isn't that open right now Oct 30 09:12:45 but as roger told on the mailinglist they are working on improvements Oct 30 09:13:15 nobody is answering on my last message in mailinglist. i hope that you are right. i have some questions for you , i can't use minimal platform with WebAppManager, it segfaults when trying to start apps Oct 30 09:13:39 i'm using linux egl drivers , not hybris Oct 30 09:13:45 ok Oct 30 09:14:30 warzon: you ping'ed them again on the mailinglist? Oct 30 09:15:04 i send them some my thoughts about rendering Oct 30 09:15:42 maybe something happend on the mailing server and my message is lost Oct 30 09:16:50 just write another one as follow up Oct 30 09:32:55 did you changed something in qt or lunasysmgr to work with minimal platform? Oct 30 09:33:14 just the changes you can see in our repositories Oct 30 09:33:26 lunasysmgr compiles different for qemuarm and target machine Oct 30 09:33:49 have to reboot Oct 30 09:37:58 warzon: and we're not yet aligned to the latest changes of upstream luna-sysmgr Oct 30 09:39:24 ok, i'll compare your sources with our Oct 30 09:40:43 warzon: yes, or try to use webos-ports environment Oct 30 11:57:34 stefan_schmidt_w: ping Oct 30 11:57:42 morphis: pong Oct 30 13:26:43 so, i'm thinking of switching to t-mobile so i can get in on this gsm goodness and help out Oct 30 13:26:51 and since they just announced the nexus 4......... Oct 30 13:26:52 :D Oct 30 13:27:47 good plan :) Oct 30 13:28:26 i'm thinking it would make a good webOS target Oct 30 13:31:24 HaDAk: I have very bad experiences with MSM platforms ... Oct 30 13:33:19 MSM? Oct 30 13:34:43 oh, snapdragon? Oct 30 13:50:01 it's the same Oct 30 16:46:53 * HaDAk catches a tumbleweed and lets it go again Oct 30 16:48:57 HaDAk, I suspect you will see lots blowing by...(but I didn't think that Michigan had them) Oct 30 16:49:19 oh, somebody IS awake Oct 30 16:49:26 gawker is down Oct 30 16:49:30 so i'm bored Oct 30 16:53:26 HaDAk: Did you get my message? Oct 30 16:53:46 Roy__: nope, i didn't. Oct 30 16:54:01 Mm, I set it for HaDAk| :P Oct 30 16:54:21 it would appear i had a network outage overnight on this machine Oct 30 16:54:23 You asked about VirtualBox support for the emulator? Oct 30 16:54:36 yes, 4.2 Oct 30 16:54:57 For the old palm-emulator? Oct 30 16:55:17 correct… but is there a "new" palm-emulator? Oct 30 16:55:54 No, but you should be able to get it to work by using palm-emulator --no-vb-check Oct 30 16:56:28 ok, so there's no actual limit on 4.1 vs 4.2. it was just "tested" with 4.1, and therefore certified and such Oct 30 16:57:35 In theory. Oct 30 16:58:25 neat. thanks for looking into that for me. :) Oct 30 17:02:05 Happy to. Oct 30 17:46:35 scoutcamper: you have a video demo of that slexy gesture area in action? Oct 30 17:46:48 indeed i do Oct 30 17:46:57 care to share? Oct 30 17:47:08 https://twitter.com/webosports/status/263314209176182784 Oct 30 17:47:36 i didn't see you hit the gesture bar in that one though Oct 30 17:47:46 i thought it was supposed to light up like the pre2 and such does? Oct 30 17:48:32 * scoutcamper has not seen that feature... Oct 30 17:48:41 and the gnex is not with me at work to test Oct 30 17:48:51 i thought ShiftyAxel|Away was talking about it yesterday Oct 30 17:48:56 oh Oct 30 17:49:17 is there any reason that build wouldn't work on the vzw gnex? Oct 30 17:49:25 seeing as how the radios don't work anyway Oct 30 17:50:08 the radios on the GSM one do work Oct 30 17:50:40 no kiddin? can it make calls and such? Oct 30 17:51:10 the vzw one should work fine with no cell radio, wifi and bt *should*(no gaurentee) work just fine Oct 30 17:51:19 interesting. Oct 30 17:51:41 i'm pondering (quite hard, actually) switching from vzw to t-mobile…trading my gnex for a nexus 4 Oct 30 17:51:49 which would leave me with a gnex to either sell or play with Oct 30 17:51:57 having webos on it would be amazing. Oct 30 17:55:13 but more importantly, the nexus 4 should be an easy target for webos Oct 30 18:00:47 we shall see Oct 30 18:01:11 i know that we(webos-ports) plan to finish the gnex before looking at other devices... Oct 30 18:01:32 the work that's being done on the gnex is nearly universal, i believe Oct 30 18:01:50 HaDAk: it will not an easy target for webos Oct 30 18:01:58 morphis: why's that? Oct 30 18:02:23 you ever looked a qualcomm based devices on the system level? Oct 30 18:02:37 with which things you have to deal with? Oct 30 18:02:50 no Oct 30 18:02:58 if they aren't providing a proper modem integration, ASOC integration, ... it's not worth a try Oct 30 18:03:13 qualcomm was doing too much things not quite common in the linux Oct 30 18:03:13 how does one tell? Oct 30 18:03:15 world Oct 30 18:03:24 look at the sources once they are available Oct 30 18:03:32 I will do and then we can talk again Oct 30 18:03:49 but never say that a port should be easy if you never took a look at the device on the system level Oct 30 18:04:23 my comment was based on google's seemingly willingness with the nexus line to make their devices "as open as possible" Oct 30 18:05:47 "as open as possible" doesn't mean anything for porting work Oct 30 18:06:37 it's a good condition for the port Oct 30 18:21:05 hey Roy__, do we have the source for the phone app? Oct 30 18:21:33 HaDAk: no, we don't have it yet Oct 30 18:22:15 hm. Oct 30 18:22:24 would hp be upset if we reverse engineered it? Oct 30 18:22:55 HaDAk: what are you trying to do? Oct 30 18:23:12 Open webOS is missing a phone app, isn't it? Oct 30 18:23:21 it needs to be updated to Enyo 2 Oct 30 18:23:37 and what do you want to do with just the phone app? Oct 30 18:23:52 figure out how it works, and write a new one Oct 30 18:24:09 why writing a new one? Oct 30 18:24:28 you're still missing the backend service then Oct 30 18:24:49 perhaps Oct 30 18:24:54 but it's a start, isn't it? Oct 30 18:25:14 you can't write the app if you don't know how the backend service works Oct 30 18:25:20 or have something to test the app with Oct 30 18:25:45 HaDAk: but be sure, we're working on this to get it happen Oct 30 18:25:48 "can't" is a strong word. Oct 30 18:25:55 one could at least start with UI design Oct 30 18:26:02 yeah Oct 30 18:26:04 making sure the app launches insanely fast, and doesn't lag Oct 30 18:26:21 I doubt the lag comes from just the app source Oct 30 18:26:23 once the services are in place, then you can make the send button function Oct 30 18:27:00 HaDAk: you're more the app development boy? Oct 30 18:27:13 i'm good at linux and ux Oct 30 18:27:42 i haven't really made much in enyo, but i haven't had a *need* to make anything Oct 30 18:27:47 ok Oct 30 18:27:48 so a phone app is a good place to start, don't you think? Oct 30 18:28:05 I doubt it makes too much sense right now Oct 30 18:28:26 and I am thinking about if we have some area which might need the work instead Oct 30 18:28:52 moving forward with porting to the gnex, it won't make sense as a phone until it can make calls. without ssh. Oct 30 18:29:00 yes Oct 30 18:29:12 morning Oct 30 18:29:17 i don't know about receiving calls, but i can make it send them Oct 30 18:29:19 HaDAk: I have quite good overview over all theses things, trust me Oct 30 18:29:30 Tofe: morning Oct 30 18:29:43 HaDAk: and reworking the phone app isn't worth it right now Oct 30 18:29:48 morphis: i don't know what you do or what you know ^^ Oct 30 18:29:55 ah ok :) Oct 30 18:30:09 I am head of porting openwebos the galaxy nexus :) Oct 30 18:30:27 i thought that was ShiftyAxel|Away ? Oct 30 18:30:33 he did the ui work Oct 30 18:30:43 but me and JaMa did the system integration work Oct 30 18:31:06 aha Oct 30 18:31:24 ShiftyAxel|Away reworked the complete UI but there is a lot more Oct 30 18:32:16 such as? Oct 30 18:32:20 JaMa and me did the whole OpenEmbedded work Oct 30 18:32:29 getting video acceleration working, ... Oct 30 18:32:48 i don't know what's involved in that. Oct 30 18:32:58 trust me, a lot :) Oct 30 18:32:59 a lot :) Oct 30 18:33:26 more than you can see Oct 30 18:33:32 that's why i'm asking Oct 30 18:33:36 ok Oct 30 18:33:50 if i don't know, i can't help. :) Oct 30 18:33:57 but nobody seems to want to tell me anything. Oct 30 18:34:07 HaDAk: yeah and thats what I am thinking about where we can integrate you Oct 30 18:34:21 HaDAk: what you want to know? Oct 30 18:34:40 ka6sox: ^^ Oct 30 18:35:43 i haven't done a lot of work on embedded platforms, but i'm quite familiar with linux. i'm assuming it's not as easy as compile the driver, insert the module, and watch all the magic happen… so, what's the 10,000 ft overview of how acceleration works? Oct 30 18:36:21 you mean video acceleration? Oct 30 18:36:27 yes Oct 30 18:36:35 oh, thats a huge story :) Oct 30 18:36:46 you know about GLES/EGL? Oct 30 18:37:02 vaguely. humor me. Oct 30 18:38:07 morphis, well... Oct 30 18:38:36 HaDAk: you know the difference between bionic libc and glibc? Oct 30 18:39:18 so if you know and what to get crazy: we're using the android graphic libarires linked against bionic libc in a glibc environment to enable vidoe acceleration Oct 30 18:39:46 * HaDAk just read up on bionic Oct 30 18:40:02 HaDAk: it's just if you're interested in Oct 30 18:40:16 and i take it glibc can't be ripped out and replaced too easily Oct 30 18:41:03 no it can't Oct 30 18:41:05 s/glibc/bionic/g Oct 30 18:42:11 what sort of hurdles does this create when trying to link the android graphic libraries with glibc? isn't glibc more fully featured? what does it specifically need from bionic? Oct 30 18:42:54 HaDAk: you can't really remove bionic from the game, it's what android is using and we're trying to use what android provides us to be able to have vidoe acceleration Oct 30 18:43:15 and otherwise we can't use bionic in a openwebos system Oct 30 18:43:19 nothing would compile against it Oct 30 18:43:32 why not? Oct 30 18:43:59 it would not work Oct 30 18:44:04 and is not worth the try Oct 30 18:44:07 nobody wants that Oct 30 18:44:48 the whole video acceleration story is quite long and complex and I am running out of time Oct 30 18:45:01 we have some problems with it so cards aren't accelerated yet Oct 30 18:45:26 Stskeeps: do you have an idea on how I could get the error string (with strerror, errno and so on) to work with libhybris ? Oct 30 18:46:55 HaDAk: you have a galaxy nexus? Oct 30 18:47:03 i have the verizon gnex, yes Oct 30 18:47:16 hm Oct 30 18:47:27 Tofe: does your bionic have the __errno patch? Oct 30 18:47:28 for something like ipkg-service it doesnt' matter :D Oct 30 18:47:30 ok, then you might have a problem with telephony later Oct 30 18:47:44 as we're only supporting the GSM variant Oct 30 18:47:48 seeing as how there's no open source cdma driver? Oct 30 18:48:18 no thats not the problem Oct 30 18:48:32 this comes full circle back to my comments earlier on considering switching to t-mobile and getting the nexus 4… selling my vzw gnex and maybe picking up a development gsm gnex Oct 30 18:48:46 the IPC protocol used for communicate with the modem is a little bit different for CDMA and nobody has the time to look at it Oct 30 18:48:56 HaDAk, anything with MSM in the CPU is a FAIL... Oct 30 18:49:07 HaDAk: ^^ :D Oct 30 18:49:33 unless you are willing to give Qualcomm your Children.... Oct 30 18:49:39 i'm not digging on the processor, or the manufacturer of the nexus 4, but what better options are there? Oct 30 18:49:46 ka6sox: some days, i might be :P Oct 30 18:49:58 HaDAk, heh Oct 30 18:50:17 Stskeeps: yes... mmmh let me check again how the patch works Oct 30 18:50:24 but seriously folks.... Oct 30 18:50:34 HaDAk, get a GSM gnex Oct 30 18:50:49 and switch to tmo (I did and am very happy) Oct 30 18:51:08 i'm googling around, looking to see what sort of speed differences i can expect in my city Oct 30 18:51:17 but nobody seems to have posted a verizon vs tmobile comparison Oct 30 18:51:19 :| Oct 30 18:51:38 HaDAk: for a first start I would like to see you setting up the build environment locally so you can start later to work on something Oct 30 18:51:44 thats rather essential Oct 30 18:52:55 Stskeeps: oh ! it had to do with a dedicated TLS slot... wow. I need to see if I integrated the patch correctly, maybe I did a mistake. Oct 30 18:54:54 HaDAk: if you're interested there is the ipkg-service preware is using Oct 30 18:55:04 HaDAk: it has to be ported and adjusted to use opkg Oct 30 18:55:21 i can take a look. shouldn't be too terribly difficult. Oct 30 18:55:34 what's the wiki page for the gnex build env instructions? Oct 30 18:55:35 yes Oct 30 18:55:52 HaDAk: we can provide you a git repository etc. Oct 30 18:55:56 HaDAk: just ping ka6sox Oct 30 18:56:05 HaDAk: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Galaxy_Nexus_Build_Setup Oct 30 18:56:11 i might take the liberty of re-writing it in enyo2 Oct 30 18:56:16 since enyo1 isn't supported... Oct 30 18:56:27 HaDAk, please do so. Oct 30 18:56:31 HaDAk: yes, that needs to be done too Oct 30 18:56:33 Stskeeps: the trick was to move the errno and set_errno to libdl.so, so that libhybris can hook it ? Oct 30 18:56:59 HaDAk: rewriting preware in enyo2 would be another point Oct 30 18:57:16 and we really need both Oct 30 18:57:55 Tofe: right Oct 30 18:58:54 Stskeeps: very hacky :) now I understand that I may have stopped the bionic build a little bit too soon ;) Oct 30 19:06:30 ok, here we go. building webos. Oct 30 19:08:31 HaDAk: you'll need about 40Gb of space Oct 30 19:08:50 it's a vm with like 250gb or something Oct 30 19:08:52 it'll be fine ^^ Oct 30 19:09:29 should i be building webos-dev-image or webos-image? Oct 30 19:09:32 cause i'm doing webos-image Oct 30 19:14:05 threaded email .ipk for anyone who wants it.. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps/319647-thread-email-app-who-wants-compile.html#post3360588 Oct 30 19:14:25 thanks. i still need to hack in my headers patch for the new version. Oct 30 19:14:29 i like the new email app though. Oct 30 19:15:09 the n900 build didn't work out. it stopped at webkit, some weard error. Oct 30 19:16:09 well, er, that's supposed to be it, i don't see a difference.. o.O Oct 30 19:16:36 you need to manually remove the old mail app, reboot, and install the package Oct 30 19:16:49 ah that would probably be why Oct 30 19:17:06 at least, that's how *i* got it installed Oct 30 19:17:44 HaDAk, we use the dev image as it provides ssh access to the device over rndis Oct 30 19:18:03 ka6sox: safe to kill the build in the middle of it? Oct 30 19:18:09 ya Oct 30 19:18:14 but clean afterwards... Oct 30 19:18:32 how do you clean? Oct 30 19:18:38 just make clean? Oct 30 19:18:57 did someone else got this? "matrix.WebCore::TransformationMatrix::m44()' from 'double' to 'const GLfloat {aka const float}' inside { } is ill-formed in C++11 [-Wnarrowing]" Oct 30 19:21:12 hey Roy__ : palm-emulator: Unknown option '--no-vb-check' Oct 30 19:21:48 cntintl-tired, pastebin the last 100lines of the buildlog? Oct 30 19:23:02 ka6sox: what's the command to clean this build env? Oct 30 19:24:02 you probably don't need to Oct 30 19:24:08 since they are different images. Oct 30 19:24:16 ok Oct 30 19:24:40 HaDAk: Should work. Oct 30 19:24:48 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=19888&p=100480&hilit=virtualbox+version+no+vb+check#p100480 Oct 30 19:25:19 weird. doesn't work. not a huge deal, since i installed 4.1, created the vm, installed 4.2 Oct 30 19:25:20 BUT Oct 30 19:25:29 the vm isn't loading properly Oct 30 19:25:39 HaDAk: what do you want to clean? Oct 30 19:25:52 morphis: my gnex build env Oct 30 19:27:46 ka6sox: http://pastebin.com/TMEbTwd3 good call 100lines. the log is >51k... and I was wondering why the file needs more time to load. Oct 30 19:27:59 HaDAk: you already started to build? Oct 30 19:28:13 i started webos-image, wanted to do webos-dev-image instead Oct 30 19:29:11 no need to clean Oct 30 19:29:16 ok Oct 30 19:29:19 just "bitbake webos-dev-image" Oct 30 19:29:34 oh, i rane MACHINE=tuna bb webos-dev-image Oct 30 19:29:38 you can build everything we the same environment Oct 30 19:29:39 yes Oct 30 19:29:39 s/rane/ran/ Oct 30 19:29:39 HaDAk meant: oh, i ran MACHINE=tuna bb webos-dev-image Oct 30 19:29:42 thats fine Oct 30 19:33:51 hm. that didn't work for me in the emulator, fxspec06_ Oct 30 19:34:02 how did i do it before....? Oct 30 19:36:33 oh Oct 30 19:36:34 durp Oct 30 19:36:36 that's the wrong version Oct 30 19:36:44 i think Oct 30 19:40:59 ah, it wasn't the newer version Oct 30 19:41:06 yeah i updated post. Oct 30 19:41:08 sorry lol Oct 30 19:41:09 i'll build a package Oct 30 19:41:10 :P Oct 30 19:41:15 i got it Oct 30 19:41:30 i had the one from the master branch, not the unstable one Oct 30 19:41:44 ok. i've got it now too. Oct 30 19:42:35 http://cl.ly/362c1d362v1E Oct 30 19:42:37 there it is. Oct 30 19:42:53 yes Oct 30 19:43:00 :) Oct 30 19:43:32 has anyone actually tried it yet Oct 30 19:43:36 * fxspec06_ about to Oct 30 19:43:43 i have it running on my emulator right now Oct 30 19:43:54 i have yet to install it on my TP, but that's more laziness than anything Oct 30 20:40:14 morning all Oct 30 20:49:33 morning ShiftyAxel Oct 30 20:50:22 what's the word? Oct 30 20:51:07 bird Oct 30 20:55:11 today: get high-res-icon-as-default core-apps and browser into the build Oct 30 20:55:36 dependency: grok OE enough to write bbfiles Oct 30 20:56:24 ...SUCCESS! :D Oct 30 21:34:26 ooooh...I'd really like to see the new graphics put in CE :D Oct 30 21:35:28 me too, me too :) Oct 30 21:35:52 shouldn't be too difficult to port the UI scaling code Oct 30 21:36:23 but it needs to be tested with 4x pixmaps first, I don't believe the layout stuff will function correctly with < 1.0 scale atm Oct 30 21:36:55 I guess I should resize all the existing graphics with gimp and get fixing Oct 30 21:55:18 (Star Wars) "Episode 7," set for release in 2015, with plans to follow it with Episodes 8 and 9 and then one new movie every two or three years. Oct 30 21:56:44 ShiftyAxel: bitbake isn't that difficult. it only took me two weeks to get the new recipe for serviceinstaller approved Oct 30 21:58:14 EricBlade: star wars has already been covered in -offtopic ;) Oct 30 21:58:32 and yeah, it seems pretty straightforward when you get past the 'OMG IT DOES SO MUCH' part Oct 30 22:18:52 "KeyiCam is the first company to design and select OpenSource components which is driven by HP WebOS operating system to operate as a Virtual Key Duplication Machine." Oct 30 22:19:07 i have no idea what that means, and their website was built by people who don't speak English natively, but it sounds neat Oct 30 22:27:38 This is sort of neat: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008F5NSLU/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B008F5NSLU&linkCode=as2&tag=chamaxwoo-20 Oct 30 22:32:47 raspberry jelly bean? Oct 30 22:46:26 what is its video...HDMI? Oct 30 22:47:17 yup Oct 31 00:51:21 nite ShiftyAxel Oct 31 00:51:28 ~sleep shiftyaxel Oct 31 00:51:29 * WoceBot uses the banhammer to put shiftyaxel to sleep for the next 12 hours **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 31 02:59:58 2012