**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 01 02:59:58 2012 Nov 01 03:14:06 ~sleep lagoste Nov 01 03:14:08 * WoceBot uses the banhammer to put lagoste to sleep for the next 12 hours Nov 01 07:16:39 Hello, anyone home? Nov 01 07:19:18 Well, if anyone gets to this, I just have a question about the nexus 4 and if it will be next up for development after the Gnex port is done. Nov 01 09:10:57 Jon__, we do not announce porting targets until we have something to show Nov 01 09:11:07 that has been the webos-ports policy from the start Nov 01 09:11:12 ok Nov 01 09:11:14 fair enough Nov 01 09:11:26 imagine if we said "we are targeting device X" and then 200 people went out and bought device X Nov 01 09:11:36 and then we ran into some technical issue that makes that port impossible Nov 01 09:11:54 there would be 200 people that are quite angry with us because they just spend several hundred each on device X Nov 01 09:12:34 http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/ETA sums it up nicely Nov 01 09:12:38 I see the point, through you have stated that you're focusing on "open hardware" or something to that effect. The Gnex being the first such example. I simply thought there may have been talk of a second target given the launch Nov 01 09:13:14 either way, good luck :) Nov 01 09:13:35 I will say that the nexus 4 likely falls into that category, but we are not currently targeting it, but we haven't discussed it at all yet Nov 01 09:14:06 so it is in the "grey area" of possibly targeted at some point in the future with no promises of success or even an attempt Nov 01 09:14:19 at least I don't know of any discussions RE: nexus 4 Nov 01 09:14:30 but I have been sick the last few days, so have been out of the loop Nov 01 09:15:14 it's all good Nov 01 09:15:42 I see this Nov 01 09:15:44 http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/wireless_charging_orb_nexus_4-580x325.jpeg Nov 01 09:15:53 and I can't help but think it should just run webos :p Nov 01 09:16:31 morning! Nov 01 09:17:02 evening :) Nov 01 11:40:39 heyho Nov 01 11:53:06 morning! Nov 01 14:11:47 hey hey hey Nov 01 14:13:32 yo Nov 01 14:18:32 what's the word? Nov 01 14:18:53 Bird Nov 01 14:27:14 carb overdosed last night. feel like garbage this morning Nov 01 14:28:29 ShiftyAxel: what's preventing webOS from being installed baremetal on the phone, removing the need to use fastboot from the pc? Nov 01 14:28:45 so, replacing droid? Nov 01 14:28:57 there are no official instructions yet, nor supported methods Nov 01 14:29:17 right, what i'm asking is…what's standing in the way? Nov 01 14:29:21 though unofficially, you could try flashing the rootfs and kernel manually via odin or something Nov 01 14:29:32 we need an installer, but I believe it's being worked Nov 01 14:29:37 ok. Nov 01 14:30:02 i was watching derek's video last night, and he was complaining about having to rely on using the pc with the phone tethered to it Nov 01 14:30:15 i haven't installed webos on my phone cause my nexus is all i've got Nov 01 14:30:18 so i was curious. Nov 01 14:34:20 that's the thing, you don't really need to be 'tethered' per se Nov 01 14:34:22 just for boot Nov 01 14:35:05 and it doesn't overwrite droid either, a simple battery pull and it's back Nov 01 14:35:51 so think of it in terms of 'tethered jailbreak' i guess, you can unplug the phone and wander off so long as you don't reboot Nov 01 14:36:37 by the way, the Ubuntu Nexus 7 installer (script) looks good # https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation Nov 01 14:36:56 morning penk Nov 01 14:37:03 ShiftyAxel: morning Nov 01 14:37:09 I hear you got HW accel working on the tablet? Nov 01 14:37:12 the nook? Nov 01 14:37:31 ShiftyAxel: i guess it's worth trying it out then, since it's not permanent Nov 01 14:37:37 ShiftyAxel: yep, but not libhybris Nov 01 14:37:56 HaDAk|: totally Nov 01 14:38:11 it's loaded from a file on the internal storage, no repartitioning or any of that gubbins Nov 01 14:38:27 penk: HW accel is HW accel, I'd say it's still good :) Nov 01 14:38:37 do you have an updated video or anything? Nov 01 14:39:12 ShiftyAxel: is there a precompiled image available? Nov 01 14:39:38 not currently, no Nov 01 14:39:53 uploaded a video clip here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0iksYsGGUQ Nov 01 14:40:07 i tried compiling my own, but my 120 gb vm didn't have enough disk space. i was told 40gb was sufficient T.T Nov 01 14:40:34 40Gb is sufficient Nov 01 14:40:43 I have a 60Gb partition for my OE and have no issues Nov 01 14:41:04 i'd hazard a guess at it being something to do with the VM's setup... dynamic disks and all that Nov 01 14:41:17 penk: hmm, how fast is it without any cards open? Nov 01 14:41:57 there's a fix in webOS-ports/master that makes card view smooth, even if you have unaccellerated cards Nov 01 14:42:12 though i'm not sure how that'd translate to ubuntu... Nov 01 14:42:26 ShiftyAxel: scrolling of isis browser is slow Nov 01 14:42:41 something that *really* irritates me about open webos ... Nov 01 14:42:44 you should definately try putting the latest webOS-ports/master on it Nov 01 14:42:46 the font is wrong. Nov 01 14:42:51 define wrong? Nov 01 14:43:03 sure will check the commits Nov 01 14:43:04 looks fine on my GNex, desktop build on the other hand... ew Nov 01 14:44:36 it's the wrong font. at least, the desktop build vs the sdk Nov 01 14:44:40 i don't know about the mobile one Nov 01 14:44:52 on-device correctly uses prelude Nov 01 14:45:03 I think desktop will too if you put the font files in the right place Nov 01 14:45:10 they just aren't shipped with it for some reason Nov 01 14:45:21 you can get them from the gram site if you poke about in the source Nov 01 14:45:47 i snatched them up from the recovery image a while back. Nov 01 14:45:55 prelude is a great font. i installed it on my system at home. Nov 01 14:46:18 I tried using it in ubuntu for a bit Nov 01 14:46:35 but mixing and matching assets from different OSes feels kind of wrong to me Nov 01 14:46:57 it's like theming a blackberry to look like an iPhone... why bother? just get an iPhone Nov 01 14:47:37 funny. i was just thinking of switching my mac's fonts to prelude Nov 01 14:47:38 heh Nov 01 14:51:20 ShiftyAxel: which repository is it? https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-sysmgr/commits/webOS-ports/master ? Nov 01 14:58:23 penk: that's the one Nov 01 14:58:50 admittedly there isn't really a webOS replacement for a desktop OS Nov 01 15:42:45 ShiftyAxel: i'm trying to build here… it seems to just be sitting at this one spot though Nov 01 15:42:59 my CPU isn't spiking, and it hasn't moved in 20 minutes. Nov 01 15:43:00 http://cl.ly/image/2M210A1C2B1w Nov 01 15:43:03 is this normal? Nov 01 15:43:30 welcome to the world of compiling an entire rootfs' worth of source code Nov 01 15:43:44 but my cpu load is minimal Nov 01 15:43:55 and it hasn't outputted anything for a while. Nov 01 15:44:20 it's downloading Nov 01 15:44:24 it has to parse through roughly 1600 text files and prepare everything, weight tasks, etc Nov 01 15:44:32 probably more than 1600 Nov 01 15:44:46 ok, so, nothing to worry about Nov 01 15:44:53 ignore it. leave it be. hide the window. got it. Nov 01 15:44:54 you can use -v to get more informative output Nov 01 15:45:35 * scoutcamper always builds with -D and -v ... Nov 01 15:46:36 i just ran this, from the wiki: MACHINE=tuna bb webos-dev-image Nov 01 15:46:45 would you recommend using: MACHINE=tuna bb webos-dev-image -Dv Nov 01 15:47:14 * ShiftyAxel builds with -vfb foo -c compile Nov 01 15:47:42 pretend like i'm used to programming PHP, and i never compile things without precise instructions ^^ Nov 01 15:48:08 HaDAk|, there is a LOT of fetching initially (an entire Shared State's worth) so it will be slow the first time. Nov 01 15:48:16 yes, i recomend -Dv Nov 01 15:48:33 that gets you a ridiculous ammount of context... Nov 01 15:48:38 * HaDAk| ctrl-c's and watches it "close down" Nov 01 15:48:49 … still. Nov 01 15:49:04 Be advised...bitbake has an error currently that we are chasing.... Nov 01 15:49:25 ? Nov 01 15:49:45 (well its not a bitbake error...bitbake is hiding the real error) Nov 01 15:50:28 * HaDAk| says fk it and reboots the vm Nov 01 15:50:50 2x ctrl-c will force it to quit Nov 01 15:50:51 WebOS 1 - HaDAk| 0 Nov 01 15:51:10 ShiftyAxel: it didn't. it produced an exit code and didn't end. Nov 01 15:51:13 stupid thing Nov 01 15:51:24 * ShiftyAxel hands out the half time oranges Nov 01 15:51:44 HaDAk: what spec are you building on? Nov 01 15:51:58 excellent. fast scrolling output. that's exactly what i like to see. Nov 01 15:56:22 now, while you wait Nov 01 15:57:04 graduate, write your life's work, be the first man on mars, have kids, win a nobel prize, then come back and your build will be ready Nov 01 15:57:27 hah. how long does it normally take on the first build? Nov 01 15:57:28 - maybe - Nov 01 15:58:21 7 hours for me, about. Then I realized it couldn't make it because I didn't put enough swap. Nov 01 15:58:38 i have 2gb ram and 4gb swap on this vm Nov 01 15:58:42 enough? Nov 01 15:59:01 that should be just enough, I think Nov 01 15:59:36 I don't know how quick it is in a VM, though; I switch to a real Ubuntu to compile it Nov 01 16:00:14 * scoutcamper can do, from scratch, a full build in just a hair under an hour... Nov 01 16:00:32 i gave this vm 8 cores Nov 01 16:00:34 I don't own a Cray, sorry Nov 01 16:00:35 so, we'll see Nov 01 16:01:07 the big thing i have going for me is mega-fast and big internet pipes... and a i7 2600k... Nov 01 16:03:39 i've got a macbook pro with an i7, and a 100 meg up/down pipe here Nov 01 16:03:50 so, i should be good Nov 01 17:24:06 Ok, that's enough for me today. Bye! Nov 01 17:56:54 967/1513 Nov 01 17:57:03 i'm guessing when its done with this, the image is complete? Nov 01 18:00:32 I think it did it twice when I ran it for the first time Nov 01 18:00:35 two sets of tasks Nov 01 18:00:41 not 100% sure though Nov 01 18:00:54 and one of those is webkit... i do not like compiling webkit Nov 01 18:07:31 i compiled webkit once. it sucked. Nov 01 18:07:38 it was akin to installing gentoo on my pentium 2 Nov 01 18:09:47 HaDAk, that 1513 is only the beginning...you have another 4700ish after that Nov 01 18:09:59 ok Nov 01 18:10:05 it's on 1509 now Nov 01 18:10:14 the 1500 sets up the build ENV Nov 01 18:10:28 now it's on 61/4596 Nov 01 18:11:00 okay you are on your way.... Nov 01 18:11:15 time for a long coke/smoke break...its gonna be a while? Nov 01 18:11:31 what MAKE and BITBACK settins are you using? Nov 01 18:11:34 you only have to do this once ,at least Nov 01 18:11:42 * HaDAk shrugs Nov 01 18:11:45 whatever the defaults are Nov 01 18:11:52 s/BITBAK/BITBAKE/ Nov 01 18:12:04 okay then its going to be a while. Nov 01 18:12:21 only have to do it once though Nov 01 18:12:27 I believe the wiki was updated recently with parallel build config info Nov 01 18:12:34 yeah, i saw it down there Nov 01 18:12:36 i didn't mess with it. Nov 01 18:12:44 although, it's not really tapping my cpu much Nov 01 18:13:00 it won't early Nov 01 18:13:09 ah. Nov 01 18:13:11 a lot of curl Nov 01 18:15:02 once it starts compiling, you really want parallel builds Nov 01 18:15:22 its probably -j2 now Nov 01 18:15:26 +1 linuxjacques Nov 01 18:15:45 morning ShiftyAxel Nov 01 18:17:25 morning all Nov 01 18:17:48 morning ka6sox, PatrickC Nov 01 18:17:54 how is everyone? Nov 01 18:18:20 not bad, just hacking on the ui scaling at the moment Nov 01 18:18:32 nice :) Nov 01 18:18:33 preparing it for BIG PIXMAPS, BIIIG PRIIIZEEEEEES Nov 01 18:18:58 might be getting a N7.. i would sooo love to help on that port lol (testing if someone is doing it, don't have the dev knowledge yet :) ) Nov 01 18:27:01 ka6sox: i don't care how long it takes to build. i'm leaving in an hour and a half, and won't be back until tomorrow morning :P Nov 01 18:27:26 PatrickC, I too have an N7 Nov 01 18:27:34 linuxjacques: like? Nov 01 18:27:38 love it Nov 01 18:28:04 not sure what the GLES driver situation is Nov 01 18:28:13 N7 = nexus 7? Nov 01 18:28:19 HaDAk, yep Nov 01 18:28:20 HaDAk: yes Nov 01 18:28:34 i too have one Nov 01 18:28:38 i would LOVE to see webos on it Nov 01 18:28:42 let me know how i can help. Nov 01 18:29:01 it would be cool Nov 01 18:29:16 but we'd appreciate help with finishing the GNex port first :) Nov 01 18:29:24 heh true Nov 01 18:29:37 like ka6sox says, we need to finish a port before starting more Nov 01 18:29:48 * HaDAk gets fidgety Nov 01 18:30:14 if we have a polished port that scales to whatever resolution we throw at it and works well, we'll have a significantly easier time with further devices Nov 01 18:30:21 indeed. Nov 01 18:30:27 N10 :-D Nov 01 18:30:43 true. Nov 01 18:30:45 300dpi babeee! Nov 01 18:30:47 why do you think I pushed for 4x pixmaps? :) Nov 01 18:30:57 because you're smart? Nov 01 18:31:03 i saw some of the new pixmaps. they're pretty. Nov 01 18:31:13 three syllables: re-ti-na Nov 01 18:31:35 ya, Isandunk is a great artist Nov 01 18:31:49 I'm prepping the ui scaling to use them now Nov 01 18:31:56 though it looks to be a fair bit of work Nov 01 18:32:20 i'd like to go on record agreeing with Linus. https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/ByVPmsSeSEG Nov 01 18:33:20 indeed, I knew it wasn't going to be an apple exclusive for long Nov 01 18:33:29 * ShiftyAxel likes the term 'high res' Nov 01 18:34:02 the best thing about apple is how they drive the rest of the industry Nov 01 18:35:18 i hate pixels. i never want to see them. Nov 01 18:35:24 unless i'm playing classic video games Nov 01 18:35:27 then i want big pixels. Nov 01 18:35:43 lol Nov 01 18:36:14 I wonder how far display tech will go Nov 01 18:36:37 will they stop when you can't see the pixels from 1cm away? Nov 01 18:36:51 or whatever the closest focus distance is Nov 01 18:37:01 as long as people clamor for the newest tech, it won't stop Nov 01 18:37:12 there will always be a market for it Nov 01 18:37:18 and smaller pixels will create newer markets Nov 01 18:37:34 imagine having a 256x256 pixel screen on every key on your keyboard (it's been done) Nov 01 18:37:37 and displays that are higher-resolution than real life Nov 01 18:37:40 now imagine that's 1024x1024 Nov 01 18:37:42 ya, I saw that thing Nov 01 18:38:00 hmm, split-screen quake multiplayer on a keyboard Nov 01 18:38:12 :D Nov 01 18:38:51 << Pong Nov 01 18:40:21 I bet cryptk|offline's keyboard can already do pong Nov 01 18:40:45 282/4596 Nov 01 18:40:47 how exciting. Nov 01 18:44:09 rats...tis going to work this time :P Nov 01 18:55:00 Any plans for the nexus 4/7/10? Nov 01 18:55:11 yes. Nov 01 18:55:27 I just checked the wiki without any avail Nov 01 18:56:20 we're holding off on starting new ports until we have one working, but that doesn't mean other people couldn't get a head start :-) Nov 01 18:56:51 Fair enough, I'm not really in a position to attempt such... Nov 01 18:57:25 I've done programming stuff before, but never system level stuff Nov 01 18:58:28 we need a ugt equivalent for times like these Nov 01 18:59:18 ~ugt Nov 01 18:59:19 i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Nov 01 18:59:37 Yeah, I just googled that :P Nov 01 19:00:36 ben1066, we don't have to resources to run multiple ports at once. but when the gnex is in a working state, we can start more Nov 01 19:00:44 Understandably Nov 01 19:00:52 the first one is always the toughest Nov 01 19:01:04 The ubuntu port got me interested in the possibility Nov 01 19:01:17 yeah, that's a good sign for us Nov 01 19:04:04 Heh Nov 01 19:05:31 ~fpp Nov 01 19:05:31 * WoceBot fpp is Further Ports Policy. Created in #webos-ports, it states that the webOS Ports team are not going to focus on any new target devices until the initial port to the Galaxy Nexus is complete. We don't have the resources to run multiple ports at once, and want a stable, scalable codebase for future projects. Nov 01 19:06:28 not to be confused with fap. Nov 01 19:06:29 ~fap Nov 01 19:06:36 which clearly doesn't exist. Nov 01 19:06:47 does in my home when im bored Nov 01 19:06:53 *fap* *fap* *fap* Nov 01 19:07:27 i must be bored a lot o.o Nov 01 19:07:28 im ofc talking about tossing pancakes Nov 01 19:07:59 ~fap GeekPeter Nov 01 19:07:59 * WoceBot grabs GeekPeter and whacks them with the cluebat. WHAP WHAP WHAP Nov 01 19:08:04 ... Nov 01 19:08:19 ~fap fap fap Nov 01 19:08:19 * WoceBot grabs fap fap and whacks them with the cluebat. WHAP WHAP WHAP Nov 01 19:08:21 * Geekpeter dives into the cluebat Nov 01 19:08:26 LOL Nov 01 20:10:34 ShiftyAxel, it can't do Pong, but it can do Night Rider Nov 01 20:27:47 Quick question. If I wanted to help fix the auto correct dictionary where would I begin? I have a pre 2 w/ webos 2.2.4 and "usb", "wifi" and other common words are not in it. Nov 01 20:53:08 heyho Nov 01 20:58:15 Hello Nov 01 21:12:27 haha 2.2.4 Nov 01 21:14:54 legit version :p Nov 01 21:15:15 add the words to the dictionary? Nov 01 21:15:45 I do, but I'd like to add them to the dictionary in the github or where ever Nov 01 21:15:51 make it better for all, etc... Nov 01 21:17:04 2.x isn't open-source Nov 01 21:17:46 yes, but open webos is Nov 01 21:17:56 I presume it has a similar dictionary Nov 01 21:18:29 aha, well Nov 01 21:18:39 it'll be in the github, but as to where is anyone's guess Nov 01 21:18:47 maybe, I should rephrase my question. If I wanted to work on improving the text assist deal in open webos, where would I begin? Nov 01 21:18:49 2.2.4 uses propriatary format Nov 01 21:18:51 mmmm Nov 01 21:18:52 ok Nov 01 21:18:54 thanks Nov 01 21:19:09 that area hasn't really had any scrutiny yet, we're mostly working on getting the luna ui and system bits working Nov 01 21:19:10 Not impossible, but more difficult, I forgot the exact name Nov 01 21:19:21 I looked into it in the past and it's some licensed format Nov 01 21:19:30 Similar as used on some Nokia phones I think Nov 01 21:20:15 Thanks ShiftyAxel, I'll look into the github Nov 01 21:26:07 2.2.4 used XT9 if I'm correct... Just FYI Nov 01 21:45:18 doot de doot... quicklaunch dynamic max items calculation... done Nov 01 21:45:44 * ShiftyAxel keeps on rolling Nov 01 22:24:57 morning Nov 01 22:26:10 morning ka6sox Nov 01 22:26:54 hiya ShiftyAxel how goes the battle Nov 01 22:28:42 it fares well ka6sox, UI is looking a little bit more pretty now Nov 01 22:29:07 some more tweaks needed to get the system menu scaling right, and the launcher's still kinda ugly Nov 01 22:29:13 but overall, tis good :D Nov 01 22:29:38 oh, and the limitless evil that is the three-slice pixmap... Nov 01 22:30:01 did you see the comments about making the justype and othr boxen a bit taller Nov 01 22:30:15 I did not- where from? Nov 01 22:31:11 YouTube Nov 01 22:33:18 I think they're referring largely to the web browser Nov 01 22:33:27 and just type's webapp element Nov 01 22:33:34 ah, okay Nov 01 22:33:41 well...that is up to others then. Nov 01 22:34:20 need to get the webapp scaling running... that should fix any complaints about smallness Nov 01 22:34:39 shame there were no responses about it on the ML Nov 01 22:36:25 lets ping Roy__ about this :D Nov 01 22:36:41 Let's not, Roy was working! Nov 01 22:36:49 lies Nov 01 22:37:02 What's the issue? Nov 01 22:37:03 Roy__, this *is* working :P Nov 01 22:39:07 ShiftyAxel, ping? Nov 01 22:39:14 ka6sox: pong! Nov 01 22:39:34 ShiftyAxel, please state the nature of the issues with webapp scaling you are having... Nov 01 22:39:53 I haven't looked into it much yet, but it would be good if I could get some help with it Nov 01 22:40:07 I need to find out whether or not the 2.x webapp scaling is still present Nov 01 22:40:23 would anyone currently at HP know about this? Nov 01 22:40:32 okay which module are we talking about here....LSM, webappmgr or something else? Nov 01 22:43:34 whatever does the web browser-type stuff, so probably webappmgr Nov 01 22:44:08 particularly the parsing of index.html and the viewport meta tag Nov 01 22:45:03 ShiftyAxel: This is a good mailing list question. Roger probably knows the answer. Nov 01 22:45:20 I got no response last time I asked on the ML Nov 01 22:45:28 hmm... Nov 01 22:45:29 bzzzzt Nov 01 22:45:43 Send me link to the question in the mailing list and I'll forward it to Roger? Nov 01 22:47:50 Roy__: http://mailman.openwebosproject.org/pipermail/openwebos-general/2012-October/000070.html Nov 01 23:41:18 HI guys Nov 01 23:41:23 hey DMeister Nov 01 23:41:36 hi PatrickC :) Nov 01 23:41:48 hows it going DMeister? :) Nov 01 23:42:36 all ok Nov 01 23:42:39 you? Nov 01 23:42:47 goin good Nov 01 23:44:11 good, anyone have seen this? https://t.co/lrpSxN6A Nov 01 23:47:56 (obviously you did, HaDAm have commented lol) I mean, what do you think about? Nov 02 00:15:38 Hey all, just dropping in to say that I did indeed receive emails regarding high resolution graphics. I'm updating the "Graphics Work" page right now to reflect some of the items I've been working on. Nov 02 00:17:40 I know ka6sox has my email, but if anyone else ever needs to reach me feel free to do so at: appstache@me.com. Nov 02 00:21:42 Appstache, thanks! Nov 02 00:26:51 awesome, good stuff Appstache :) Nov 02 00:26:57 I look forward to seeing your work Nov 02 00:59:35 HaDAk, ping? Nov 02 01:10:20 time for me to get to bed Nov 02 01:10:22 nn all Nov 02 01:14:12 nn ShiftyAxel Nov 02 01:35:18 * LarrySteeze stumbles into everyone in the room **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 02 03:00:00 2012