**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 05 02:59:59 2012 Nov 05 08:08:39 EricBlade: you patch for luna-sysmgr regarding the font-problem doesn't help Nov 05 15:19:33 woohoo, the 2.x hide-dock-when-launcher-is-open behaviour is reimplemented! Nov 05 15:20:38 w00t! Nov 05 15:48:23 bbl peeps heading to airport Nov 05 18:10:06 Battery icons. There a zillions of them! Nov 05 18:14:51 there are indeed Nov 05 18:14:54 hmm Nov 05 18:15:11 it may be worth reimplementing the battery icon with a background and pixmap gradient Nov 05 18:15:34 and any other UI elements that have a needlessly large amount of very similar pixmaps Nov 05 18:15:50 Isandunk: your thoughts on this? Nov 05 18:16:05 (aka doing it programatically vs shitloads of images) Nov 05 18:17:18 Whatever is easiest for you really: The different levels of the battery are very easy to do, as I have just finished the legwork of setting the basis of the icon up. Nov 05 18:17:41 The trouble comes with the indicator for the low battery (which has a glow) and a similar thing for charging Nov 05 18:18:11 It's probably easier in both complexity and costing time for me to just plod on :) Nov 05 18:18:35 haha, well fair enough Nov 05 18:18:47 A sprite of images may make more sense though Nov 05 18:18:57 but again, Im assuming that will take some setting up, code wise Nov 05 18:19:34 probably, yeah Nov 05 18:19:59 having the battery level represented by a gradiented rectangle draw on runtime would let us be very precise about the battery level Nov 05 18:20:11 s/draw/drawn/ Nov 05 18:20:12 Indeed Nov 05 18:20:12 ShiftyAxel meant: having the battery level represented by a gradiented rectangle drawn on runtime would let us be very precise about the battery level Nov 05 18:20:25 How required is that though, from a glance? Nov 05 18:20:39 The icons are <100px wide Nov 05 18:20:43 even at 4x Nov 05 18:21:59 admittedly, not hugely Nov 05 18:23:26 it's good to see the graphics work page filling up so fast, I may have to start dropping these into builds sometime soon :D Nov 05 18:23:48 :D Yeah! Nov 05 18:23:52 This one's my fav: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/File:Screen-lock-incoming-call-off@4x.png Nov 05 18:24:00 (so far... sorry Appstach!) Nov 05 18:24:19 s/Appstach!/Appstache! Nov 05 18:24:35 :( no fair, I sucketh at IRC. Nov 05 18:34:01 Hey everyone ;)\ Nov 05 18:34:13 Where are people flying too? Some special meet? Nov 05 18:40:13 morning Nov 05 18:40:20 morning Tofe Nov 05 18:45:13 Do you guys see the kernel boot text on the console when booting on the GNex ? Nov 05 18:45:42 I'm starting to believe that it is normal that my android kernel doesn't show anything during boot Nov 05 18:45:42 I do Nov 05 18:45:51 sh*t Nov 05 18:46:00 mmh Nov 05 18:46:21 may I borrow you .config ? ah, maybe it's the one on github Nov 05 18:46:50 yes it's default one Nov 05 18:56:28 woo, -now- 2.x dock hiding is implemented Nov 05 19:09:08 ShiftyAxel: dock hiding? Nov 05 19:09:33 HaDAk: ayup, remember how 2.x used to hide the dock when the launcher was shown? Nov 05 19:09:36 that Nov 05 19:09:47 oh, yeah. Nov 05 19:09:50 sweet Nov 05 19:10:21 something of a necessity when screen size is limited, especially in landscape Nov 05 19:10:26 agreed Nov 05 19:10:36 this preware design is really coming along. Nov 05 19:11:04 http://cl.ly/image/1X3n3z0D2g46 Nov 05 19:11:42 what's new? Nov 05 19:11:49 nothing since friday. Nov 05 19:12:01 since i left work friday* Nov 05 19:12:08 does the browser work yet in OWO yet? Nov 05 19:12:10 but since you last saw, it's a more refined design Nov 05 19:14:23 HaDAk: got a link to the design? Nov 05 19:14:33 http://cl.ly/image/1X3n3z0D2g46 Nov 05 19:15:37 GodGinrai: works great on desktop build, somewhat less great on GNex Nov 05 19:15:42 HaDAk: https://twitter.com/shiftyaxel/status/265532442633461760 Nov 05 19:16:07 ShiftyAxel: i saw that. it looks nice. Nov 05 19:16:38 ShiftyAxel: Have you tried Grooveshark mobile on it? It hurts to not have Grooveshark for my Pre3 Nov 05 19:18:03 GodGinrai: as in the site, or app? Nov 05 19:18:40 I want you to check the site Nov 05 19:19:19 yes, about that... Nov 05 19:19:27 the app is useless Nov 05 19:19:42 in terms of rendering, isis is mad fast and excellent (as far as I can tell without HW accelleration for webapps) Nov 05 19:20:02 in terms of navigation... sloooow, but that's almost definately the lack of HWA Nov 05 19:20:06 Grooveshark is not worth 9 dollars a month, especially when they are giving the service to android and iphone users for free Nov 05 19:20:24 also I can't input text into any webpages Nov 05 19:20:27 does the music work? (main concern) Nov 05 19:20:30 lol Nov 05 19:20:40 yeah, about that... :p Nov 05 19:20:46 GNex doesn't have sound yet Nov 05 19:23:15 lol Nov 05 19:24:58 'remember, it's alpha software' Nov 05 19:25:47 oh, I realize Nov 05 19:26:06 but I've been out of it because I've been busy Nov 05 19:26:53 so, all I've managed to keep up on was yours and internals/ports twittered feeds Nov 05 20:03:33 I am on irc from a freaking airplane.I told people this kind of stuff would happen, 20 years ago, but who believed me? not many. hah. Nov 05 20:04:35 best thing is imdoing it from something that resembles tech that you could only see on star trek back then Nov 05 20:05:42 :D Nov 05 20:05:53 buahahahahhahahaha Nov 05 20:06:38 Nov 05 20:06:54 captain Picard would've used a touchpad, model 3250 or so had they not stopped after 1. damn you Leo. Nov 05 20:12:40 so by extension ofthe fact that my touchpad has integrated skype and google voice, I can use internet on a plane for all types of ground communication as well. its almost mind blowing. Nov 05 20:13:28 (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Nov 05 20:15:45 ︵ ┻━┻ (o_o'v) Nov 05 20:16:04 i can't get my fking layout right. fittable rows won't fit! Nov 05 20:20:21 Eric-> Where you're heading too? Nov 05 20:20:38 s/too/to Nov 05 20:21:34 "Do you know the way to San Jose?" Nov 05 20:22:19 does this not work?[FittableRows][FittableRows fit: true;][FittableRows] Nov 05 20:23:02 square brackets? Nov 05 20:23:13 more theoretical Nov 05 20:23:27 oh, I see what you're trying to do Nov 05 20:23:29 i'm trying to make a dynamically sized spacer Nov 05 20:23:29 hm Nov 05 20:23:45 I think at least one of them needs to have width set in that situation Nov 05 20:23:55 probably the two outer ones Nov 05 20:24:09 also, I JUST FINISHED THE PIXMAP SCALING Nov 05 20:24:10 OH YES. Nov 05 20:24:25 Ow looks pretty :) Nov 05 20:25:27 hum. that didn't work Nov 05 20:25:43 What's going down in San Jose? Some Enyo stuff or team is meeting with HP/Gram :P ? Nov 05 20:27:25 eric works at gram now Nov 05 20:27:47 Cool :) Nov 05 20:27:57 serious envy right here Nov 05 20:28:16 Aren't you @ Palm too? Or at least were? Nov 05 20:28:17 they're hiring like crazy Nov 05 20:28:53 me? nope, i'm a student Nov 05 20:28:58 wish I was though :p Nov 05 20:29:00 Ah I see ;) Nov 05 20:29:12 sadly there are no Ow jobs outside the US and China Nov 05 20:29:33 ANyway I got some new hardware to install ;) PC Upgrade from AMD X2 6000+ to AMD FX-8150 8-core + 16GB ;) Nov 05 20:29:54 That should speed up OE build a bit :D Nov 05 20:29:58 very nice indeed :D Nov 05 20:30:12 Where are you based if not in US or CHina ? Canada? Nov 05 20:30:22 UK? Nov 05 20:30:25 yup :) Nov 05 20:30:37 Ah OK, I'm in NL Nov 05 20:30:48 netherlands? Nov 05 20:30:53 Yup ;) Nov 05 20:30:55 i wanna move back there. Nov 05 20:31:00 that's where my grandparents came from Nov 05 20:31:04 Anyway I'm off to switch mainboard and stuff, if don't need to reinstall Windows I should be back shortly ;) Nov 05 20:31:09 In 20-30 mins I guess Nov 05 20:31:16 see you in a bit Herrie Nov 05 20:31:16 Should be quite straight forward switch ;) Nov 05 20:31:20 Till soon Nov 05 20:32:36 luna crashed Nov 05 20:33:32 shocking. Nov 05 20:33:43 i know the assholes that wrote it, if you want me to punch em ;) Nov 05 20:43:51 even more awesome,I just printed something at home. from 20k feet in the air. and a dozen states away Nov 05 20:44:52 would be better if you printed and came down from oxygen mask slot !! Nov 05 20:45:31 lol Nov 05 20:45:49 I think we're a ways away from implementing matter transfer Nov 05 20:45:51 also Nov 05 20:45:52 https://twitter.com/shiftyaxel/status/265555080693043200 Nov 05 20:46:03 https://twitter.com/shiftyaxel/status/265555254920216578 Nov 05 20:46:43 calendar icon isn't scaled :P Nov 05 20:48:00 because it's implementation is HACKY AND NONSTANDARD RAWR Nov 05 20:48:03 *ahem* Nov 05 20:48:12 yes indeed, that's another one that needs to be worked :P Nov 05 20:48:45 that's a point, I need to put a request for a do-over of the calendar icons up on our graphics page Nov 05 20:49:01 all the ones with numbers are tiny, but the main one is high-res... Nov 05 20:50:37 ShiftyAxel: are your changes all gn specific? Or are some device agnostic Nov 05 20:51:08 ShiftyAxel: i can take a look at it. maybe tonight. Nov 05 20:51:18 I need dkirker to fix web skckets, that's what's crashing Nov 05 20:51:52 halfhalo: what is this 'gn specific' you speak of? Nov 05 20:51:55 dunno if that will happen on <= 3.* :/ Nov 05 20:52:02 lsm tweaks Nov 05 20:52:05 fixes/etc Nov 05 20:52:47 the majority of it is device-agnostic Nov 05 20:52:50 dkirker :-( Nov 05 20:53:23 EricBlade-TP: Well, that is... unless we get the open webOS LSM into 3.0.5. But... I don't know what work that would take, beyond the stuff that I am doing with WebKit. Nov 05 20:53:30 Ad, phones would still have issues. Nov 05 20:53:38 we need a thorough websocket test for open webos Nov 05 20:53:51 I was contemplating writing a C++ service for Google Voice. Nov 05 20:54:27 halfhalo: in fact looking at the branches... it's all device-agnostic, specific stuff is abstracted into .conf files Nov 05 21:03:25 dkirker: I don't mind competition, but node is quite well suited to google voice except for the memory problem Nov 05 21:04:06 I'd love to see a boxcar pdk plugin though Nov 05 21:04:20 EricBlade-TP: Well, it isn't meant to be competition. :) Just that the webOS implementation of some tools is lacking.... Nov 05 21:05:12 I guess the websockit would be for Boxcar, so... since that pulls up a dashboard item, the plugin could just go there. Nov 05 21:05:38 some of the solutions that I was thinking of are not appcat safe. Nov 05 21:06:52 Basically, I've noticed that sending or receiving can be delayed (regardless of the network, Wifi or 3G). Sometimes a message will actually send, but not get marked as sent (which means, on occasion, it gets resent, and resent, and resent....) Nov 05 21:07:59 unfortunatly, Google Voice really has a shitty syncing protocol anyway... even the Android app has issues. Nov 05 21:09:19 I am even more tempted to write a proper server implementation that does push and has a proper API for Google Voice, so that the phone doesn't have to do a ton of processing. Nov 05 21:14:43 dkirker you could do that in node. the guy that wrote the node-google-voice lib just sent me a preview of a major upgrade to it, I can't wait to check it out. lots of new things, and the memory requirements are lessened quite a bit Nov 05 21:15:41 websockets -really- suck the battery on phones, even if they were fixed, I'm pretty sure that's what led to me draining 20% an hour for a while Nov 05 21:16:32 wow? That bad? Nov 05 21:16:58 My battery seems to be pretty decent. Then again, I do have the jumbo battery. Nov 05 21:17:41 EricBlade-TP: Did he post them to github? I am tempted to go look! Nov 05 21:18:57 I think so, he might've linked to it from the node-google-voice github Nov 05 21:19:57 Back :) Nov 05 21:20:03 New hardware is up and running ;) Nov 05 21:20:29 its about the only thing I can think of. with everything disabled except synergv and the boxcar connection, I could get at most 5 hrs Nov 05 21:21:12 it went up to about 8 hrs with boxcar off.I get about 12 hrs without synergv Nov 05 21:21:58 assuming no actual use of device, using it just proves the pre3 was not a good product battery wise. Nov 05 21:23:27 With my Veer really depends on usage. With Data & WiFi off, battery drain is very low. With WiFi on on 2.2.4 battery drain is high :( Nov 05 21:23:45 High as in 5+%/hour Nov 05 21:23:52 Often closer to 10% Nov 05 21:24:06 dang this flight is bumpy. 4 8 15 16 23 42 Nov 05 21:25:26 Hmmzz seem to be missing one of my HD's... Nov 05 21:25:27 Reboot ;) Nov 05 21:25:40 I guess it's my 750GB in mirror raid that needs config in BIOS/UEFI Nov 05 21:25:42 Be back soon Nov 05 21:30:26 EricBlade-TP: I need to upload the photos that I took of my TouchStone mod. Really the work is just cutting a hole in the case and making sure that you properly line up the 4pin connector to the one on the Pre3. That literally took me about 4 hours (over a few days) to get right... Nov 05 21:33:44 EricBlade-TP: Ah! It is now called voice.js. :) Nov 05 21:34:34 I plan to try to plug that into s2 Nov 05 21:35:30 I hope I won't have to do some of the hacks I did in the old one to it Nov 05 21:38:26 Back Nov 05 21:38:41 "Found" my 750GB of data back, data cable got disconnected ;) Nov 05 21:38:46 EricBlade-TP: Wow. That is very clean API. I like it! Nov 05 21:39:05 ShiftyAxel: something is really wrong with my card zoom size in card mode on ce.. how do I fix :-) Nov 05 21:39:31 cards are really big or even bigger, and if I try to shrink them they got right back to big next time Nov 05 21:40:47 nvm just fixed self Nov 05 21:54:50 EricBlade-TP: well done :p Nov 05 21:55:14 I honestly have no idea what's going on with your cards, I've never experienced or been able to repro the bugs you filed... Nov 05 21:55:49 :-) I'm just weird like that Nov 05 22:04:52 about to go layover in phoenix bbl Nov 05 22:11:09 mr0n, all Nov 05 23:10:44 ShiftyAxel: you can run enyo2 apps on your gnex, right? Nov 05 23:11:00 HaDAk: not tried Nov 05 23:11:05 but yes Nov 05 23:11:18 want to try this thing i've been working on? Nov 05 23:11:32 it behaves funky on the touchpad in the browser. wanna make sure the target device functions better. Nov 05 23:11:43 https://github.com/skipmeister123/preware-enyo2 Nov 05 23:16:37 HaDAk: why aren't you testing it as an app on the TP? browser isn't the greatest test case Nov 05 23:20:23 ShiftyAxel: cause i don't know how to package an enyo2 app for the touchpad. Nov 05 23:20:46 the same way you package an enyo2 app for anything else Nov 05 23:21:13 you don't technically need an IPK, just take the folder, give it the same name as the appid in appinfo.json and stick it in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/ Nov 05 23:21:20 then luna restart Nov 05 23:21:50 HaDAk, start with build.git and you can create an ipk @ the end of the process. Nov 05 23:22:05 wow, so much information Nov 05 23:22:08 ok, so wha'ts build.git? Nov 05 23:22:14 and i don't see an appinfo.json Nov 05 23:22:34 you need to make one, there are examples in the core-apps repo Nov 05 23:22:39 or in build.git Nov 05 23:23:09 https://github.com/webos-internals/build Nov 05 23:24:43 HaDAk, the Touchpad is a legit target for a Enyo2 Preware implementation :D Nov 05 23:25:16 * halfhalo dies Nov 05 23:25:31 halfhalo, ... Nov 05 23:25:41 trying to run a verification build so that I can push meta-rock public Nov 05 23:25:45 but nooooooo Nov 05 23:25:53 It has to be 88F in my room Nov 05 23:26:11 and the Dog is wanting to lay on your lap... Nov 05 23:26:16 So desktop stays off. I don't want to die of heatstroke Nov 05 23:27:07 Dog always wants to lay on me. Thats nothing new Nov 05 23:27:29 with it 88degrees I am surprised you aren't in another dimension... Nov 05 23:28:03 ok, so this is the makefile your'e talking about? https://github.com/webos-internals/build/blob/master/alpha-apps/wterm/Makefile Nov 05 23:29:07 wterm? Nov 05 23:29:18 are you working with wterm? Nov 05 23:29:28 no Nov 05 23:29:35 i'm just grabbing an example. Nov 05 23:30:04 you need to replace the bits that are mojo specific and make them enyo2 Nov 05 23:30:17 and interface with the backend. Nov 05 23:31:31 * HaDAk blinks Nov 05 23:31:33 um. sure. Nov 05 23:31:41 git://github.com/webos-internals/preware.git Nov 05 23:31:46 thats the acutal app. Nov 05 23:32:11 build.git allows you to package it and make a ipk people can install. Nov 05 23:34:22 yeah, well. the folder layout is a lot different for enyo1 vs enyo2 it would appear Nov 05 23:34:38 i feel like you're talking in puzzles -- Nov 05 23:37:28 HaDAk: wasn't it you who wanted to rewrite preware? Nov 05 23:37:42 or have I misread the logs Nov 05 23:37:59 LarrySteeze: i'm doing that, aren't i? i've never written an enyo2 app. i'm looking for some guidance in packaging it for testing. Nov 05 23:38:03 s/wanted to/is Nov 05 23:38:12 aha Nov 05 23:38:27 so what are you having a hard time with? Nov 05 23:38:39 do you know how to use github? Nov 05 23:38:44 i'm his unofficial mentor i suppose, seeing as how i'm the only one who gives advice in #enyojs Nov 05 23:38:57 LarrySteeze: barely. Nov 05 23:39:04 fxspec06 is awesome. Nov 05 23:39:04 fxspec06 knows enyo. This I know from meeting him personally Nov 05 23:39:18 HaDAk: do you at least know git clone? Nov 05 23:39:21 i'm happy to do this development, but i need help with some basics. Nov 05 23:39:25 LarrySteeze: i can clone and push Nov 05 23:39:30 LarrySteeze: that's about it i'm afraid Nov 05 23:39:54 so if you git clone git://github.com/webos-internals/preware.git you will get everything you need to start Nov 05 23:40:19 automagically Nov 05 23:40:48 though I recommend forking it into your own fork Nov 05 23:41:02 except it's enyo 1, which has a very different layout from enyo2 Nov 05 23:41:38 it's not all that different...it'll be easier than when you switched from mojo to enyo Nov 05 23:43:36 i never wrote mojo :P Nov 05 23:43:44 ~_~ Nov 05 23:43:59 but you're proficient in JS, so you should have no problem Nov 05 23:44:44 nope. :) Nov 05 23:44:48 i'm more of a php sort of guy. Nov 05 23:45:00 preware is Mojo enyo Nov 05 23:45:19 or not Enyo I mean Nov 05 23:46:35 i'd totally offer to help a bit, but i have about as much time as i have girlfriends. which is zero. but, i can offer advice and i don't mind being distracted every now and then Nov 05 23:47:54 I don't believe that for a second Nov 05 23:48:33 which part specifically do you not believe? ;) Nov 05 23:48:51 both? Nov 05 23:49:08 both that you would offer to help and that you'd offer advice Nov 05 23:49:11 ;-) j/k Nov 05 23:49:14 lol Nov 05 23:49:45 HaDAk: question...and I'm being serious Nov 05 23:49:58 two questions actually Nov 05 23:50:16 shoot. Nov 05 23:50:20 1. How much php/how long? 2. What other languages are you proficient in? Nov 05 23:51:07 i've done php for about 5 years. i've written -from the ground up- two sites, and jumped in right in the middle of development and helped finish off another half dozen or so. Nov 05 23:51:32 i do scripting as well. bash/batch. i know html. i can do css pretty well, too. Nov 05 23:51:45 well you can't really do php without html Nov 05 23:51:56 sure you can. Nov 05 23:52:01 but it helps to make webpages Nov 05 23:52:02 you can...but not really Nov 05 23:52:12 php can be used to do system administration tasks :P Nov 05 23:52:28 in practical/wide use application Nov 05 23:52:46 and css knowledge is a good thing Nov 05 23:53:03 and bash/batch? :P Nov 05 23:53:23 may I make a recommendation? Nov 05 23:54:06 before jumping in head first into preware, do a few basic js scripts. there are a ton of tuts online Nov 05 23:54:26 because you have 5 years experience in ANY language, you will get the hang of it pretty quickly Nov 05 23:54:32 and I'm sure you know all about vars and such Nov 05 23:54:36 HaDak do you have the Palm SDK installed on your system Nov 05 23:54:57 then once you have basic JS down, hop on to enyo...it's an easy switch Nov 05 23:55:14 once you have done some basic enyo stuff, look at preware Nov 05 23:55:30 if you spend a good week doing those tasks, you will be in a much better place Nov 05 23:56:51 the man makes a good point Nov 05 23:57:14 waa too many things happening at once Nov 05 23:57:32 micro-tech: i have the sdk, yes. Nov 05 23:58:09 i'm not worried about picking up enyo. with a handful of pointers from fxspec06, i've managed to throw together something pretty already in just a couple of days Nov 05 23:58:42 something functional? Nov 05 23:58:57 with client/server functionality? Nov 05 23:59:03 he's got a sliding panel with a couple buttons :P Nov 05 23:59:15 i'm doing design layout first :P Nov 05 23:59:28 i said prettynot functional. Nov 06 00:00:31 http://hadak.org/preware2/debug.html Nov 06 00:00:41 I'd say start with function over form Nov 06 00:00:52 the function is the hard part Nov 06 00:01:35 one step at a time. Nov 06 00:01:53 so pick the function step :P Nov 06 00:02:21 that's like making a super clear beer that doesn't taste good Nov 06 00:02:37 function > form. case in point: windows vista. Nov 06 00:02:47 it's ok to make a cloudy beer that tastes amazing Nov 06 00:03:00 hey, if you guys wanna pitch in, i'll gladly accept pull requests :P Nov 06 00:03:15 for now, i'm using the opportunity of UI design to learn Enyo Nov 06 00:03:27 I'm too busy making luna usable on GNex :p Nov 06 00:03:45 you want preware or a usable port of webos? Nov 06 00:04:03 then clearly you've got nothing to complain about :) Nov 06 00:04:19 things come in steps...if you do things in the right order, they come correctly eventually Nov 06 00:04:19 this is only my second day of touching preware, let alone enyo Nov 06 00:04:28 anyway. food, child, etc Nov 06 00:04:28 I'm not complaining. I'm trying to be helpful. Nov 06 00:04:33 i'll be back later Nov 06 00:07:47 HaDAK you need appinfo.json file in the root . that has you dev info and such. then you can package it Nov 06 00:08:37 and then install on touch pad Nov 06 00:09:32 he left Nov 06 00:09:36 for that he needs to be present to hear it. Nov 06 00:09:59 ya I seen that Nov 06 00:59:29 back Nov 06 01:03:43 wb Nov 06 01:04:03 lagoldste, so 4.9.10 to Beta and 5.0.0 to Alpha? Nov 06 01:04:28 i think so, yes, ka6sox Nov 06 01:05:34 lagoldste, ty...once I get a good binary can you test? Nov 06 01:06:52 i think so... Nov 06 01:07:20 gah. i'm overloaded at work right now, is the problem Nov 06 01:08:35 lagoldste, whenever you have time.... Nov 06 01:08:41 in the next few days even :D Nov 06 01:08:56 probably tomorrow or the next day, tbh Nov 06 01:09:06 wfm Nov 06 01:13:04 5.0.0 !!? Nov 06 01:13:50 lagoldste, whenever it gets done it gets done... Nov 06 01:14:09 EricBlade-TP, did you fix the Clock yet? Nov 06 01:14:10 :D Nov 06 01:14:18 ;) Nov 06 01:14:25 its a new feature Nov 06 01:14:38 not on my list Nov 06 01:14:56 I was just suggesting it :-) Nov 06 01:15:39 EricBlade-TP, uh huh....unfunded mandate :D Nov 06 01:15:57 ok. so i need to do a beta pull to get 4.9.12. 5.0.0 can go to alpha now if you like, since i've been using it since it was built Nov 06 01:16:41 okay let me see...do I have a good description? Nov 06 01:20:23 what's new in 4912 and 500? Nov 06 01:22:43 hmm. landing bbl Nov 06 01:38:17 well, ain't that nice Nov 06 01:38:33 the oddest twitter response to my screenshots yet- 'looks shooped' Nov 06 01:40:04 ShiftyAxel, tell whoever it was that they are welcome to try for themselves. Nov 06 01:40:12 no kidding Nov 06 01:41:36 what a curious fellow... he called one of the screenies shopped but then said 'awesome work, love it' to the other ones Nov 06 01:42:34 just shows to go ya... Nov 06 01:43:41 btw, ka6sox, scoutcamper, one of my followers posted this earlier: https://twitter.com/KaEfka/status/265564676820189184 Nov 06 01:44:11 made me think, would a competition along the lines of 'find the craziest thing to put an Ow screenshot on' be good or bad PR? Nov 06 02:01:10 ShiftyAxel, i would win because i could put it on a 1990 PG&E black and white laptop that knows what a jpg is, AND a eyefinity array of 3 60" tv's Nov 06 02:02:06 good PR then? :D Nov 06 02:02:20 heh Nov 06 02:02:21 lol. Nov 06 02:06:59 right, time for me to get to bed Nov 06 02:07:03 nn all! Nov 06 02:10:00 nn ShiftyAxel Nov 06 02:12:30 nite all Nov 06 02:12:59 updated meta-webos pushed, slaves whipped Nov 06 02:13:20 JaMa, thanks...sleep well. Nov 06 02:14:44 * lagoldste waves to the dearly departed.... ;) Nov 06 02:15:15 ?/ Nov 06 02:20:43 i'm babbling **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 06 02:59:58 2012