**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 17 02:59:58 2012 Dec 17 05:15:22 morning Dec 18 00:00:10 ok, so, i'm trying to work out this gnex thing now .. and my computer doesn't seem to be recognizing the existence of the phone Dec 18 00:01:36 its not like a webOS phone.... Dec 18 00:01:45 you need to use adb Dec 18 00:02:10 hm. do i need to adb connect it first? i thought that was only for wifi Dec 18 00:02:24 adb isn't picking it up Dec 18 00:05:54 EricBlade: you're on ubuntu, right? Dec 18 00:06:02 aye Dec 18 00:06:22 it should show up as an RNDIS device, you'll need to manually setup the IP to 192.168.7.1 with a netmask of 255.255.255.0 Dec 18 00:06:35 then you can ssh into root@192.168.7.2 Dec 18 00:24:39 ShiftyAxel: i understand the individual words in those statements, but when combined together, they frighten and confuse me Dec 18 00:31:43 EricBlade: OOGA BOOGA BOOGA :D Dec 18 00:32:03 well, let's start with WM, you using unity? gnome-shell? Dec 18 00:32:28 you'll be wanting to open the network preferences thing first, should be in the little icon on the taskbar Dec 18 00:32:47 from there it should show up as a wired connection, 'Full AOSP on Maguro' or something along those lines Dec 18 00:33:09 configure it's IP to be manual instead of DHCP, and enter 192.168.7.2 and 255.255.255.0 Dec 18 00:33:15 then you should be good to ssh in Dec 18 00:34:20 i have nothing like that that i can see. using gnome Dec 18 00:34:43 non-shell? Dec 18 00:34:48 hmm, i'm less familiar with that Dec 18 00:34:55 gnome .. desktop? Dec 18 00:35:13 one moment while I change WM :P Dec 18 00:35:53 right, i return Dec 18 00:36:08 click on the wifi icon in the topbar, then click on edit connections Dec 18 00:36:30 i have wired, wireless, mobile, vpn, dsl Dec 18 00:36:38 there should be one in the wired list, unless you're connected to the net via eithernet in which case there should be two Dec 18 00:36:47 there is 1 Dec 18 00:36:53 which is my net Dec 18 00:36:56 ah Dec 18 00:37:08 hm, do you have your GNex booted into Ow yet? Dec 18 00:37:15 no Dec 18 00:37:27 i cant get adb to see it to unlock it Dec 18 00:37:47 ah Dec 18 00:38:04 I seem to remember having to mess with something to get it to see it, one sec while i root it out Dec 18 00:39:25 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20381664 Dec 18 00:39:31 iirc that's the method I used Dec 18 00:39:40 not what I call user-friendly Dec 18 00:40:34 ever see a unix other than webos that was? Dec 18 00:41:42 OSX Dec 18 00:42:16 and I guess my standards have changed after using unix-based primary OSes for ages :D Dec 18 00:43:48 osx is only friendly if you've never used any other systems Dec 18 00:44:42 maybe if yuo read the instructins Dec 18 00:45:00 I've been using a mix for a while, my A-level courses pretty much exclusively used OSX for some reason Dec 18 00:45:30 that's a lot of instructions :P Dec 18 00:50:11 ok so that worked Dec 18 00:52:11 huzzah! Dec 18 00:53:09 now, where did the build process put my image? Dec 18 00:53:30 err Dec 18 00:53:44 somewhere in tmp-eglibc, perhaps? Dec 18 00:53:53 yup Dec 18 00:54:05 grep -r 'webos-dev-image-tuna.ex2' ./ Dec 18 00:54:15 s/ex2/ext2/ Dec 18 00:54:35 tmp-eglibc/deploy/images/tuna Dec 18 00:56:28 the position of the buttons on this phone sucks Dec 18 00:57:56 wow unlocking the boot loader resets the device Dec 18 00:59:45 now back to "device not found" Dec 18 01:05:51 enabled USB debugging? Dec 18 01:05:56 that also gets reset Dec 18 01:06:33 am i supposed to be trying to push from fastboot or from in the os ? Dec 18 01:07:28 in the os Dec 18 01:07:36 adb is for android, fastboot is for bootloader Dec 18 01:10:15 i don't have the Developer Options in my settings :-S Dec 18 01:11:18 To enable them you must choose About Phone then tap 3 times on Build Number. . . . lol Dec 18 01:11:27 odd. i was able to clone a git repo today, but yesterday, i wasn't. and i changed nothing but a reboot! Dec 18 01:11:28 ah, you're on 4.2 Dec 18 01:11:54 note that the ext2 images sometimes doesn't boot at the moment, JaMa is aware of it and may have pushed a fix... not sure though Dec 18 01:11:56 have to tap on it 3 times.. 4 times. Dec 18 01:12:00 so 12 times. Dec 18 01:12:07 fxspec06: error? Dec 18 01:15:47 it was a ssh key bug i think. never thought to reboot yesteerday. i have like 45 min b4 i got to leave, trying to at least clone these repos Dec 18 01:16:55 ok it's booting.. takes a long time Dec 18 01:17:12 EricBlade: define long time? you still on the google screen? Dec 18 01:17:33 if it stays there for ages then something went wrong Dec 18 01:17:35 it took quite a while on the google screen.. now i've got a black screen with the titlebar Dec 18 01:17:59 progress :D Dec 18 01:18:24 hmm, that sounds like first use Dec 18 01:18:32 no text? any logo? Dec 18 01:23:30 which lunasysmgr should i pull, say if i want to JUST build and install to TP myself (like tomorrow or something bc i can't do in 30 min) Dec 18 01:23:43 the v5.0.0, beta, or alpha Dec 18 01:24:09 ShiftyAxel, ^^^ Dec 18 01:26:08 fxspec06: CE stuff? Dec 18 01:26:22 let me check the repo Dec 18 01:26:46 i think it is the beta i want. i see now there are only two branches Dec 18 01:27:21 v5.0.0 will do nicely, what're you looking to do with CE? :) Dec 18 01:27:29 so, from what i gather there's a few things you guys are working on: lunasysmgr, which is the preware touchpad thing, and then the woce, which is the builds Dec 18 01:27:42 for various devices re/ gnex? Dec 18 01:27:50 CE and Ow are separate Dec 18 01:27:55 CE is TP, Ow is GNex Dec 18 01:28:33 k, so i've got the woce and lunasysmgr cloned. better than yesterday Dec 18 01:28:34 their lunas aren't binary compatible, and the source trees differ a lot Dec 18 01:28:44 LunaSysMgr is the CE one, luna-sysmgr is the Ow one Dec 18 01:29:57 ah, i get it Dec 18 01:30:10 what're you aiming to do? Dec 18 01:30:33 i just have "Open webOS ... clock" Dec 18 01:30:38 well, i think a good first goal would be to 1. build and install the latest lunasysmgr Dec 18 01:30:58 yeah, that's a good milestone Dec 18 01:31:15 I was talking more in an implementation sense, are you planning to mess with CE or Ow? :p Dec 18 01:31:19 and i'd also like to build the whole webos and get running in a emu, if possible, as a #2 Dec 18 01:31:38 well, i'm not really sure yet. this is a giant learning experience, so i gain everything here Dec 18 01:32:03 hmm Dec 18 01:32:06 i think maybe doing a few simple mods to lunasysmgr would be nice to start. easy. Dec 18 01:32:13 just for myself at first Dec 18 01:32:25 well if you don't have a GNex, i'd suggest using build-desktop to build yourself a desktop Ow/luna Dec 18 01:32:46 k, that will be my 2nd goal. let me make this a file so i remember lol Dec 18 01:32:53 for the image and emu, you'd have to take a loot at that way you can iterate changes faster Dec 18 01:33:00 ...wait, wrong paste Dec 18 01:33:18 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Galaxy_Nexus_Build_Setup Dec 18 01:33:58 similar for building qemu I believe, just s/tuna/qemux86/g Dec 18 01:34:42 morphis and JaMa are the guys to ask when it comes to OE builds (GNex, qemu, etc) Dec 18 01:35:11 k ty Dec 18 01:36:00 ShiftyAxel: so... if that's first use running .. how do i kill it Dec 18 01:36:38 i'm trying not to ask questions that have been asked a million times, or get in the way / slow anyone down. want to dive right in but it's just not like that at all (for me anyways) Dec 18 01:36:55 anyways tyvm, i'm outta here for the night! Dec 18 01:37:03 * fxspec06 baby steps Dec 18 01:38:04 EricBlade: it should have a faux-license and accept/decline buttons... try tapping the bottom-right quadrant of the screen some Dec 18 01:38:55 if that doesn't work, ssh in and 'touch /var/luna/preferences/ran-first-use && restart LunaSysMgr' Dec 18 01:39:27 np fxspec06, and i'm happy to help if you need it :) Dec 18 01:40:40 ShiftyAxel: no Dec 18 01:41:00 ShiftyAxel: i updated and am building a new image Dec 18 01:41:07 tyvm ShiftyAxel! gn all Dec 18 01:41:23 EricBlade: good plan, there have been quite a few changes lately Dec 18 01:41:26 ShiftyAxel: you guys really should have a mod to the startup script to touch that file, in your bitbake scripts :) Dec 18 01:41:36 that's what first use is for :P Dec 18 01:41:37 until such time as first use works anyway Dec 18 01:41:45 it works fine for me Dec 18 01:41:57 last i knew, first use locked the device Dec 18 01:42:05 you guys gotta keep me up to date :P Dec 18 01:42:14 that's what ZNC bouncers and logs are for ;) Dec 18 01:42:30 morphis fixed the firstuse the other day, and I wrote an app for it Dec 18 01:42:43 since friday? Dec 18 01:43:22 is there a device restart combination, or do i gotta battery pull? Dec 18 01:44:31 ssh in, stop LunaSysMgr, start LunaSysmgr Dec 18 01:44:50 and yeah, I was fixing the firstuse gesture area & writing the app for it on friday Dec 18 01:44:54 er, saturday Dec 18 01:45:42 ssh no work, no route to host Dec 18 01:45:55 even after doing the manual IP stuff? Dec 18 01:45:59 yes Dec 18 01:46:17 sometimes you have to unplug/replug or battery pull the gnex to fix that Dec 18 01:46:26 i experience it on a semi-regular basis Dec 18 01:47:22 ok now it wants a password Dec 18 01:47:31 urk, did you build webos-image? Dec 18 01:47:36 try empty Dec 18 01:47:41 empty is no Dec 18 01:47:51 ...build a webos-dev-image Dec 18 01:48:48 the firstuse breakage may be something to do with using the non-dev, not sure though Dec 18 01:49:49 little surprising that it runs without the battery if it's plugged in when you pull it Dec 18 01:50:09 yeah, i wasn't expecting that the first time Dec 18 01:54:25 it's surprising that it runs without the battery if you pull it while it's plugged in, but it won't start without the battery Dec 18 01:54:38 updated image didn't work, trying dev-image now Dec 18 02:06:16 this build system turns my pc into a slug :-S Dec 18 02:21:19 if i push a new image, it is over-writing everything, right? Dec 18 02:22:20 yeah Dec 18 02:22:30 basically a webos doctor, done manually Dec 18 02:23:47 YAY! Dec 18 02:23:53 \o/ Dec 18 02:24:07 i have to decline the license. :( Dec 18 02:24:12 i am not apathetic. Dec 18 02:24:26 pathetic, maybe, but not Apathetic. Dec 18 02:25:21 it's cool, it gives you luna anyway currently :P Dec 18 02:25:35 not sure why... we use a service to touch the file but apparently it happens regardless Dec 18 02:25:36 databases not running? Dec 18 02:25:42 hm? Dec 18 02:25:59 the calendar icon didn't come up right until i tapped it Dec 18 02:26:10 hmm, I think you might be onto something Dec 18 02:26:11 i usually assume if the calendar icon doesn't work, the databases didn't come up Dec 18 02:26:21 the email app takes a couple of taps to actually open too Dec 18 02:26:22 but that seems to be a different thing there Dec 18 02:26:37 yeah, there's some weird things in some of the apps. some weird things missing that they complain of Dec 18 02:26:43 I remember build-desktop being iffy if something wasn't running Dec 18 02:26:59 how does one bring up the databases manually? Dec 18 02:28:43 no idea there Dec 18 02:29:26 my guess is that if the databases aren't working it's probably service files that aren't right. apparently that's not the issue with that icon, though .. unless the database isn't working when it gets to drawing it the first time Dec 18 02:29:29 but is working later Dec 18 02:29:49 maybe tapping it forcefully brings them up Dec 18 02:31:32 wow, this is .. clunky. Dec 18 02:37:11 well, now i have 5 different things running webOS sitting on my desk. woo. :D Dec 18 02:40:14 * scoutcamper has *counts* Dec 18 02:40:25 9! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 18 02:59:58 2012