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Jan 09 05:27:44 <morphis> morning
Jan 09 05:55:42 <morphis> EricBlade: can you tell me why https://github.com/openwebos/webappmanager/commit/a08b4bc8aa68953c6098910518cf7e66b8a9f532 is needed?
Jan 09 05:56:00 <morphis> it leads into something like this in OE: WARNING: QA Issue: package webappmanager contains bad RPATH /home/morphis/data/oe/webos-ports-setup/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/sysroots/tuna/usr/lib:/usr/lib in file /home/morphis/data/oe/webos-ports-setup/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/tuna-webos-linux-gnueabi/webappmanager-3.0.0-2-r5+wop+gitr2+e9d0c341f12d18a0945935eb76efa92c57458e9a/packages-split/webappmanager/usr/bin/WebAppMgr
Jan 09 06:59:17 <fxspec06> so what is the vision for the email app. can anyone explain to me the vision, so i can better understand? i read some of the emails and jason is kind of funny but they don't say much about ... how awesome do you want me to make it
Jan 09 06:59:36 <fxspec06> i don't really know how else to say that
Jan 09 07:00:25 <fxspec06> how awesome can you guys imagine? because i could do basically anything you want, but i need a good idea to start
Jan 09 07:01:05 <ka6sox> recreate what is there in Enyo2, then revise and extend :D
Jan 09 07:02:08 <ka6sox> you probably need to talk to ShiftyAxel|Away as he is working on some scaling things that will help with the css stuff.
Jan 09 07:02:35 <fxspec06> alright he probably is sleeping. or, maybe not, he's been up this time before
Jan 09 07:02:41 <ka6sox> also we will be getting some new buttons/graphics for this as well.
Jan 09 07:02:52 <ka6sox> since he is ShiftyAxel|Away he is sleeping (early tonight)
Jan 09 07:03:01 <fxspec06> you know what i could do
Jan 09 07:03:35 <fxspec06> i could take neo and make a copy of it, rename it email, and then use it to cater to email .. if that sounds like fun to anyone
Jan 09 07:03:56 <fxspec06> then, i don't have to rewrite anything, i just have to modify
Jan 09 07:03:58 <ka6sox> does it thread?
Jan 09 07:04:06 <fxspec06> explain
Jan 09 07:04:20 <ka6sox> one of the important things is email threads.
Jan 09 07:04:43 <fxspec06> right but those are algorithms. i could just put the files in and it should work the same
Jan 09 07:04:51 <fxspec06> aand i can fix anything wrong in the process
Jan 09 07:04:53 <ka6sox> talk to shifty
Jan 09 07:04:58 <fxspec06> k
Jan 09 07:05:39 <fxspec06> it's going to be slow at first, got to sleep on it a bit before i can get into it. but it will be sweet after
Jan 09 07:12:40 <ka6sox> yup
Jan 09 07:13:12 <ka6sox> before you get too deep into changes talk to Shifty as he has an overall look/feel we are going for with the Apps
Jan 09 07:15:02 <fxspec06> i'll talk to him, sure
Jan 09 07:18:53 <ka6sox> much appreciated
Jan 09 07:19:28 <ka6sox> I will get with Isandunk and Appstache on the elements for the email app needed (buttons etc)
Jan 09 07:19:45 <fxspec06> i think between the two of us, we can come up with something halfway decent
Jan 09 07:20:22 <ka6sox> yup
Jan 09 07:34:00 <fxspec06> and now you won't have to keep bugging jason. i'm sure he'll appreciate that
Jan 09 07:34:18 <fxspec06> ;) lol
Jan 09 07:36:41 <ka6sox> I asked it to the ML...he just responded.
Jan 09 16:01:22 <ShiftyAxel> morning all
Jan 09 16:01:28 <ShiftyAxel> fxspec06: ping?
Jan 09 16:01:42 <ShiftyAxel> I see there is discussion to be discussed about email
Jan 09 17:48:00 <morphis> morning
Jan 09 17:49:10 <morphis> ShiftyAxel: and there are some more issues in latest LSM related to your resizing work
Jan 09 17:49:51 <ShiftyAxel> what sort of thing?
Jan 09 17:54:22 <morphis> you see it when you try it on your GNexus :)
Jan 09 18:00:07 <EricBlade> hi all
Jan 09 18:00:13 <morphis> EricBlade: heyho
Jan 09 18:00:54 <ShiftyAxel> morning EricBlade
Jan 09 18:02:28 <EricBlade> my back hurts a lot today.  ugh.
Jan 09 18:02:50 <morphis> boys I am really going forward with telephony work, enabling/disabling telephony through airplane mode -> service -> ofono on the gnexus works already quite fine
Jan 09 18:03:03 <ShiftyAxel> awesome, nice one morphis :)
Jan 09 18:03:08 <morphis> :)
Jan 09 19:42:26 <fxspec06> omg. what if
Jan 09 19:42:55 <Stskeeps> morphis: just wait until you find out what GCF is..
Jan 09 19:42:55 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 09 19:43:05 <ka6sox-away> gcf?
Jan 09 19:43:24 <fxspec06> what if instead of bundling "enyo 1" with open webos and trying to find a home for enyo 2, why not replace the enyo 1 code in it's entirety with enyo 2, leaving the important service files behind. then manually integrate them
Jan 09 19:43:58 <fxspec06> get them working one by one slowly, debug each enyo-y' part of webos one part at a time, soon you'd have an enyo2 open webos
Jan 09 19:45:13 <Stskeeps> ka6sox-away: http://www.globalcertificationforum.org/WebSite/public/Certification.aspx
Jan 09 19:46:19 <ka6sox-away> nice, but how much does it cost?
Jan 09 19:48:45 <ShiftyAxel> fxspec06: that's the plan
Jan 09 19:48:50 <ShiftyAxel> but it's time and effort
Jan 09 19:48:59 <ShiftyAxel> for me, that's the way to go
Jan 09 19:49:06 <ShiftyAxel> but we need a working email client soon
Jan 09 19:49:43 <ShiftyAxel> fxspec06: also regarding your use of neo as a base for the email client, I'm fine with you using any backend bits, but the theming stuff is a no-go
Jan 09 19:50:16 <ShiftyAxel> the UI has to be consistent and 'vanilla' onyx
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Jan 09 23:21:47 <EricBlade> hooray, theoretically, luna-sysmgr no longer depends on webkit
Jan 09 23:23:00 <PatrickC> EricBlade: nice!
Jan 09 23:23:35 <scoutcamper> fewer webkit rebuilds? EricBlade+1000
Jan 09 23:23:51 <EricBlade> i'm not responsible for the changes, i'm just the messenger.
Jan 09 23:23:59 <EricBlade> but you can always praise the messenger :)
Jan 09 23:24:14 <scoutcamper> s/EricBlafe/TheMessenger/
Jan 09 23:24:24 <scoutcamper> stupid cold hands
Jan 09 23:24:44 <EricBlade> https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr/commits/master
Jan 09 23:26:37 <EricBlade> of course, webappmanager still needs it, and sysmgr needs webappmanager so..
Jan 09 23:27:06 <scoutcamper> lol
Jan 09 23:27:33 <EricBlade> but there should be fewer rebuilds involved overall i would think
Jan 09 23:40:07 <JaMa|Off> EricBlade: no, sstate will propagate the change to all recipes after webkit..
Jan 09 23:47:01 <EricBlade> i would think that if you're working on lsm and never touching webkit or wam that it may make life a little easier
Jan 09 23:47:38 * EricBlade shrugs if not, oh well, no worse off
Jan 09 23:48:15 * JaMa|Off shrugs too :)
Jan 09 23:49:05 <EricBlade> JaMa|Off: +1000 for the change that makes stuff rebuild when you changep v
Jan 09 23:49:09 <EricBlade> *pv
Jan 09 23:49:17 <JaMa|Off> if you were never touching webkit or wam you shouldn't see them rebuilding after changing luna-sysmgr
Jan 09 23:50:38 <JaMa|Off> but luna-sysmgr checksum is changed when webkit is changed, because direct and transitive dependencies work the same for sstate
Jan 09 23:50:53 <EricBlade> sysmgr takes forever to build here today. arrrgh
Jan 09 23:52:43 <EricBlade> ok 8 minutes != forever. my bad
Jan 09 23:53:41 <EricBlade> i am about to start taking a nap every time i type "make" though :_S
Jan 09 23:54:29 <JaMa|Off> well borabora is building nonstop for last 4 days and will continue for few more, that's almost nonstop :)
Jan 09 23:54:55 <scoutcamper> EricBlade, caffiene nap works :)
Jan 09 23:55:07 <EricBlade> caffeine! brilliant!
Jan 09 23:55:51 <scoutcamper> EricBlade, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nap#Caffeine_nap
Jan 10 00:50:02 <EricBlade> taking 20 minutes to iterate things is .. frustrating.
Jan 10 01:23:42 <dkirker> EricBlade: scoutcamper: Totally done that before!
Jan 10 01:23:56 <dkirker> Though, I had a coffee before a drive to SLO from Sunnyvale about  4 years ago.
Jan 10 01:24:26 <dkirker> The effects were almost fatal. I started freaking out/getting jittery before I got to Gilroy. Had to pull over and nap for 20.
Jan 10 01:25:30 <dkirker> scoutcamper: anyway... regarding the text fields, I suspect that the fix won't be too hard. The beginning of this week has involved an atrocious sleep schedule, so... I pretty much have been effective for doing anything as I readjust...
Jan 10 01:25:42 <dkirker> you'll see headway by Friday :)
Jan 10 01:30:33 <bhuey> folks
Jan 10 01:36:56 <EricBlade> weeee
Jan 10 01:37:39 <EricBlade> dkirker: i'm going to suggest that it's entirely possible that it was simply never implemented.
Jan 10 01:38:19 <dkirker> EricBlade: Oh, I have no doubt about that. Since Isis was mostly built towards desktop, it seems.
Jan 10 01:38:26 <dkirker> hi bhuey!
Jan 10 01:38:59 <dkirker> I have an idea where to start looking, so I don't suspect the work involved is too great.
Jan 10 01:44:23 <EricBlade> i think i saw something related to those sorts of things in the webkit plugins stuff
Jan 10 01:44:36 <EricBlade> and that's about as useful as i am there
Jan 10 01:55:59 <LarrySteeze> EricBlade!
Jan 10 01:56:06 <EricBlade> LarrySteeze!
Jan 10 01:56:07 <LarrySteeze> are you coming?
Jan 10 01:56:17 <LarrySteeze> in February?
Jan 10 01:56:18 <EricBlade> ... that's sort of a personal question isn't it
Jan 10 01:56:30 <scoutcamper> ~lart EricBlade
Jan 10 01:56:31 * WoceBot hooks into a hydrant and hoses EricBlade down
Jan 10 01:56:31 <LarrySteeze> well, I'm just trying to plan for my trip O.o
Jan 10 01:56:49 <EricBlade> what's in feb? and where?
Jan 10 01:57:00 <ka6sox> SCaLE
Jan 10 01:57:21 <EricBlade> ?
Jan 10 01:57:43 <scoutcamper> EricBlade, hasnt heard of SCaLE?
Jan 10 01:57:56 <scoutcamper> EricBlade, https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale11x
Jan 10 01:58:38 <EricBlade> oh, a linux expo.  no, i really haven't, other than webOS, I gave up on Linux years ago
Jan 10 01:59:26 <scoutcamper> EricBlade, most of webos-ports will be there! :) you should come hang with the cool people
Jan 10 01:59:51 <EricBlade> well unless HP is going to send me, i'll have to pass probably
Jan 10 02:00:49 <halfhalo> EricBlade: Open bar.
Jan 10 02:01:13 <EricBlade> although i will be in cali that week arleady
Jan 10 02:01:37 <halfhalo> Make roger send you
Jan 10 02:01:46 <LarrySteeze> EricBlade: you should go.
Jan 10 02:01:58 <ka6sox> come down for the weekend....
Jan 10 02:02:51 <ka6sox> its "on your way home"
Jan 10 02:12:25 <EricBlade> hmm
Jan 10 02:58:17 <lagoldste> who at SCaLE will have an open bar?
Jan 10 02:58:31 * lagoldste will be at SCaLE, too
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