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Jan 18 08:55:03 <Unisian> What do you think the average time of building for Grouper will be on a Quad-core i5 @ 3.0Ghz?
Jan 18 08:55:53 <morphis> Unisian: expect something between 4-6h
Jan 18 08:56:07 <morphis> but it depends on not only the CPU
Jan 18 08:56:13 <Unisian> OK Thanks, glad I started it as soon as I got in to work then :D
Jan 18 08:56:22 <Unisian> I have 4GB of RAM and 2GB Swap
Jan 18 09:00:58 <Unisian> What else will really affect the build time?
Jan 18 09:01:04 <morphis> HD
Jan 18 09:01:11 <Unisian> (Curious as I know what not to skimp out on for my new build)
Jan 18 09:01:20 <Unisian> I take it building on an SSD is much faster then?
Jan 18 09:01:32 <morphis> yes
Jan 18 09:01:39 <morphis> as there is a lot of linking involved
Jan 18 09:01:41 <Unisian> Fair enough, thanks :)
Jan 18 09:02:12 <Unisian> My plans were to get a 27" iMac, so I'll most definitely pay the but more for a fusion drive
Jan 18 09:03:38 <morphis> Unisian: are you going to get involved into development for the N7?
Jan 18 09:04:28 <Unisian> I hope so, me and Shifty were talking about the Enyo apps that need t be made, and I reckon my first steps will be having a go at that, before diving into actual port work
Jan 18 09:07:19 <morphis> Unisian: yeah that would be great
Jan 18 09:07:29 <morphis> as this has the highest priority atm
Jan 18 09:07:42 <morphis> and we don't have that much people working on this
Jan 18 09:07:55 <Unisian> You mean the Enyo apps or the N7?
Jan 18 09:12:44 <morphis> enyo apps
Jan 18 09:12:59 <morphis> real porting work for the N7 is not that much left
Jan 18 09:12:59 <Unisian> Fair enough, I'll see what I can do
Jan 18 09:13:14 <morphis> you are already experienced with enyo?
Jan 18 09:13:48 <Unisian> Not yet, but I'm a Web Developer with knowledge of PHP, HTML, CSS and jQuery
Jan 18 09:13:59 <morphis> ah ok, that should be enough :)
Jan 18 09:14:36 <Unisian> Yea, shifty helped me to get the bootplate all set up, so I've been messing around with that a little here at work, but I'll take a proper look over the weekend and see what I can do
Jan 18 09:15:34 <morphis> Unisian: in which timezone you're?
Jan 18 09:15:44 <Unisian> I'm from the UK :)
Jan 18 09:16:51 <morphis> thats great
Jan 18 09:17:01 <Unisian> and yourself?
Jan 18 09:17:10 <morphis> germany
Jan 18 09:17:21 <Unisian> Ahh fair enough, not a huge difference then
Jan 18 09:17:27 <morphis> yes
Jan 18 09:18:04 <Unisian> May I ask, what's your area of expertise regarding OWOS?
Jan 18 09:19:01 <morphis> I am doing all things related to system level work, OE, kernel, telephony, wifi
Jan 18 09:19:13 <morphis> lined up the ports to the gnexus/N7
Jan 18 09:19:32 <morphis> but I am really not the web developer boy :)
Jan 18 09:20:02 <morphis> I am doing all the things you're expecting to be there and don't miss when they are
Jan 18 09:20:38 <Unisian> Haha fair enough, so you're the guy with the stressful stuff..? Whereas all I need to do is make something look pretty and work with your work :p
Jan 18 09:21:08 <morphis> yeah :D
Jan 18 09:21:34 <Unisian> Well from what I've seen and heard, you're doing a good job of it ^^
Jan 18 09:21:39 <morphis> atm I am doing integration of the telephony functionality
Jan 18 09:21:43 <morphis> thank you
Jan 18 09:22:51 <Unisian> Ahh, how's it going so far? I saw the pic on twitter... Makes we want to buy a gnexus
Jan 18 09:23:20 <morphis> it's going on
Jan 18 09:23:47 <morphis> the telephony functionality (means calls, setting up GPRS/HSPA connection, ...) works since the beginning with ofono
Jan 18 09:23:56 <morphis> but we need the service integration into Open webOS
Jan 18 09:24:01 <morphis> thats what I am doing right now
Jan 18 09:24:31 <morphis> when you boot up the device you can already control the telephony functionality with the device menu (means airplane mode on/off)
Jan 18 09:24:51 <Unisian> Fair enough
Jan 18 09:24:58 <morphis> network status is displayed too
Jan 18 09:25:07 <morphis> next step will be pin verification
Jan 18 09:25:22 <morphis> with the start of a new telephony app
Jan 18 09:25:37 <Unisian> Haha, maybe I can be one to help out on it
Jan 18 09:26:42 <morphis> initial bits are at https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.phone
Jan 18 09:26:51 <morphis> Unisian: but we need more help with the set of core apps
Jan 18 09:27:14 <morphis> they need some fixes here and there to look great for example on the GNexus
Jan 18 09:27:34 <morphis> phone app depends a lot on the service work
Jan 18 09:29:00 <Unisian> OK, so I take it I should aim to get the core apps nicely working first
Jan 18 09:29:55 <morphis> that would be really helpful
Jan 18 09:30:32 <Unisian> I'll see what I can do then :) Is it easy to get the apps over to OWOS for on-device testing?
Jan 18 09:31:38 <morphis> yes
Jan 18 09:31:45 <morphis> just copying them over SSH
Jan 18 09:42:36 <Unisian> OK, thanks :)
Jan 18 10:08:16 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: hey!
Jan 18 10:08:29 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: möp
Jan 18 11:26:22 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: how are things going?
Jan 18 11:26:39 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: slowly but steady :)
Jan 18 11:26:57 <stefan_schmidt_w> first time real snow here
Jan 18 11:27:09 <morphis> :)
Jan 18 11:27:16 <stefan_schmidt_w> Seems to me UK is not prepared for it :)
Jan 18 11:27:25 <morphis> trains not going?
Jan 18 11:28:06 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: mine have been fine, but the snow started afterwards.
Jan 18 11:28:28 <stefan_schmidt_w> And people here discuss train problems and mail come in about rules for travel problems with snow :)
Jan 18 11:28:54 <morphis> :)
Jan 18 11:29:16 <morphis> experienced some problems with my train this week too
Jan 18 11:30:08 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: saw e17 got finally a release
Jan 18 11:31:27 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: yup, and funny enough the world is still there. :)
Jan 18 11:32:37 <morphis> :)
Jan 18 11:40:53 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: saw the thread about Phabricator on the e-devel ml, you already used it?
Jan 18 11:41:44 <stefan_schmidt_w> nope, daniel and tom sat it up ysterday at the desk next to me.
Jan 18 11:42:20 <stefan_schmidt_w> nothing working yet. But moving from a 82xxx commits svn repo to different git repos with all kind of moving and keeping history is tricky
Jan 18 11:42:20 <morphis> ah
Jan 18 11:42:34 <stefan_schmidt_w> they worked quite a lot on filter rules etc
Jan 18 11:42:36 <morphis> complex :)
Jan 18 11:42:45 <stefan_schmidt_w> phabricato was just set up. nothing more
Jan 18 11:42:55 <morphis> I just saw it first time and it looks really great
Jan 18 11:44:19 <stefan_schmidt_w> jup, not much used it seems. More lightweight then gerrit and additional issue tracker though
Jan 18 11:44:33 <stefan_schmidt_w> But we will only know its problems when we used it for some time :)
Jan 18 11:44:43 <morphis> yes
Jan 18 11:45:02 <morphis> I am still searching for a system combining all things with a nice UI
Jan 18 11:45:17 <morphis> at work we're using the Team Foundation Server from MS and thats a really great system
Jan 18 11:45:42 <stefan_schmidt_w> phabricator could be something for you then
Jan 18 11:48:25 <morphis> yes
Jan 18 11:48:58 <morphis> will set it up in a VM for testing
Jan 18 11:49:19 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: cool
Jan 18 11:49:45 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: how is open webos progressing. Ports are getting in good shape or more stalled right now?
Jan 18 11:51:58 <morphis> it's getting better and better each day
Jan 18 12:03:00 <Unisian> ERROR: Task 2028 (/home/development/webos/webos-ports-env/webos-ports/openembedded-core/meta/recipes-devtools/binutils/binutils-cross_2.22.bb, do_compile) failed with exit code '1'
Jan 18 12:03:05 <Unisian> I take it that's bad?
Jan 18 12:05:41 <stbuehler> Unisian: yes, without binutils you won't get far :D
Jan 18 12:06:24 <Unisian> But I've followde the whole guide :O
Jan 18 12:06:26 <stbuehler> Unisian: perhaps nopaste the log for the failed step?
Jan 18 12:06:57 <Unisian> OK, just re-trying to see what happens, then if it fails I'll paste the log
Jan 18 12:13:47 <Unisian> http://pastebin.com/6Hku3px3
Jan 18 12:13:49 <Unisian> That's the log
Jan 18 12:15:41 <stbuehler> oO
Jan 18 12:15:50 <stbuehler> nopaste /home/development/webos/webos-ports-env/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/armv7a-vfp-neon-webos-linux-gnueabi/binutils-cross-2.22-r17/temp/log.do_compile.16326
Jan 18 12:17:35 <Unisian> http://pastie.org/5717494
Jan 18 12:18:49 <stbuehler> this is the same output
Jan 18 12:19:00 <Unisian> That's what I get when I run nopaste :S
Jan 18 12:20:44 <stbuehler> the actual error message will be in the file it linked at the bottom; without it there is only guessing what could have went wrong
Jan 18 12:23:13 <morphis> JaMa: ^^
Jan 18 12:23:50 <Unisian> Where it tells me to look for more information, just has the same info as console?
Jan 18 12:24:34 <JaMa> Unisian: have you tried to -c cleansstate binutils-cross; bitbake binutils-cross?
Jan 18 12:25:00 <JaMa> Unisian: also please paste ls /home/development/webos/webos-ports-env/webos-ports/tmp-eglibc/work/armv7a-vfp-neon-webos-linux-gnueabi/binutils-cross-2.22-r17/binutils-2.22/build.i686-linux.arm-webos-linux-gnueabi/etc
Jan 18 12:25:55 <Unisian> ERROR:  OE-core's config sanity checker detected a potential misconfiguration.
Jan 18 12:25:55 <Unisian>     Either fix the cause of this error or at your own risk disable the checker (see sanity.conf).
Jan 18 12:25:55 <Unisian>     Following is the list of potential problems / advisories:
Jan 18 12:25:55 <Unisian>     Please set a MACHINE in your local.conf or environment
Jan 18 12:25:55 <Unisian> ERROR: Execution of event handler 'check_sanity_eventhandler' failed
Jan 18 12:25:59 <Unisian> From the cleanstate
Jan 18 12:26:01 <Unisian> and
Jan 18 12:26:23 <JaMa> did you forget to . ./setup-env?
Jan 18 12:26:25 <Unisian> No such file or directory
Jan 18 12:26:25 <Unisian>  from the LS
Jan 18 12:26:34 <Unisian> I'm in the env
Jan 18 12:26:35 <stbuehler> execute bitbake in the BUILD-* directory iirc
Jan 18 12:26:44 <Unisian> OE @webos
Jan 18 12:26:51 <JaMa> we don't use BUILD-*
Jan 18 12:26:56 <stbuehler> ah well
Jan 18 12:27:12 <JaMa> Unisian: export MACHINE=tuna (or whatever you're building for)
Jan 18 12:27:22 <JaMa> Unisian: cat setup-local?
Jan 18 12:27:47 <Unisian> Ahh, this is working now :D
Jan 18 12:27:53 <Unisian> I think
Jan 18 12:27:56 <Unisian> It's doing the cleanstate
Jan 18 12:28:52 <Unisian> Now to test a full build
Jan 18 12:28:57 <Unisian> Thanks :)
Jan 18 13:52:59 <Unisian> Shifty
Jan 18 13:53:00 <Unisian> ?
Jan 18 14:04:20 <ShiftyAxel> morning Unisian
Jan 18 14:04:40 <ShiftyAxel> how ate you getting on with Ow and enyo? :)
Jan 18 14:04:43 <ShiftyAxel> *are
Jan 18 14:04:46 <Unisian> Finally got Grouper to build :D
Jan 18 14:04:52 <ShiftyAxel> w00t :D
Jan 18 14:05:05 <Unisian> and I've had a little look at Enyo, but seeing as I've been at work, I'm having to wait for the weekend
Jan 18 14:05:14 <Unisian> Found my first issue and reported it already ... :D
Jan 18 14:05:25 <Unisian> (I did check to make sure it wasn't already reported)
Jan 18 14:05:28 <ShiftyAxel> also i notice you mentioned you,re from the UK- me too! i hate our weather! :)
Jan 18 14:05:42 <ShiftyAxel> oho, which one?
Jan 18 14:05:49 <Unisian> Yea it's dreadful... I'm in Newmarket atm, basically no snow :(
Jan 18 14:06:10 <Unisian> Enyo Settings app, when the "Turn off after" timer dims the screen, the touchpad essentially dies
Jan 18 14:06:18 <Unisian> Power button does nothing, screen does nothing
Jan 18 14:07:03 <ShiftyAxel> ah, i see it
Jan 18 14:07:09 <ShiftyAxel> yeah, that used to work...
Jan 18 14:07:30 <ShiftyAxel> morphis: any idea why this happened? nyx-modules problem?
Jan 18 14:08:01 <morphis> ShiftyAxel: will have a look later
Jan 18 14:08:07 <Unisian> Is there any way for me to pull logs from the device?
Jan 18 14:08:43 <morphis> Unisian: can you put in a bug report?
Jan 18 14:08:54 <morphis> at http://issues.webos-ports.org/projects/next
Jan 18 14:08:55 <Unisian> I've put the issue up on the issue tracker :)
Jan 18 14:08:58 <morphis> ok
Jan 18 14:09:03 <morphis> append /var/log/messages*
Jan 18 14:16:33 <ShiftyAxel> Unisian: i usually tail -f /var/log/messages and copypasta
Jan 18 14:16:40 <Unisian> from the ssh?
Jan 18 14:16:59 <ShiftyAxel> yeah
Jan 18 14:17:51 <Unisian> Hmmm, not good with Ubuntu networking ^^
Jan 18 14:18:44 <ShiftyAxel> have you already got the ssh setup?
Jan 18 14:40:52 <Unisian> XChat died
Jan 18 14:50:15 <ShiftyAxel> wb
Jan 18 14:51:20 <Unisian> Thanks, I couldn't seem to replicate the issue when it was on 3 minutes, but on the 30 seconds it does it every time so far
Jan 18 17:56:15 <Tofe> morning!
Jan 18 18:02:49 <ka6sox-away> morning Tofe
Jan 18 18:16:38 <Herrie> Morning ;)
Jan 18 18:16:58 <Herrie> ShiftyAxel-> Created some more bugs in the tracker today for memo's to sort ;)
Jan 18 18:19:08 <Herrie> Found one in calculator too already (leading 0 leads to funny stuff) will add it too
Jan 18 18:19:40 <ShiftyAxel> Herrie: morning
Jan 18 18:19:43 <ShiftyAxel> good stuff
Jan 18 18:19:51 <ShiftyAxel> some PRs to fix stuff wouldn't go amiss either ;)
Jan 18 18:20:22 <Herrie> I know, trying to get my hands dirty with my first Enyo 2 app but stuck on Ajax stuff :(
Jan 18 18:23:16 <Herrie> Cannot find much useful samples and just seem to get stuck..
Jan 18 18:27:54 <Herrie> Not sure anyone here could have a look, once I gues 1 working I'm quite sure I can figure the other 20 or so out ;)
Jan 18 22:43:35 <bhuey> folks
Jan 18 22:43:53 <scoutcamper> greetings bhuey
Jan 18 22:45:06 <ShiftyAxel> mornin' bhuey
Jan 18 22:45:21 <PatrickC|School> hey there bhuey
Jan 18 22:45:23 <PatrickC|School> and everyone
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