**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 29 02:59:58 2013 Jan 29 03:00:29 * dtz has a 3210M, hehe Jan 29 03:01:14 can it handle 100% load for about 2hrs?(cooling and whatnot) Jan 29 03:03:13 yeah, run my llvm/clang+bootstrap builds on it semi-regularly. But it'll have to do regardless. Jan 29 05:57:20 a Jan 29 05:59:16 b Jan 29 05:59:29 c Jan 29 06:00:08 d Jan 29 06:01:24 sorry guys, my 1y bb, sent that Jan 29 06:01:49 morning all btw Jan 29 06:03:19 bye... Jan 29 06:06:27 la_Verge, no problem...start'em early! Jan 29 07:09:54 ka6sox: You around? Jan 29 07:10:07 kesne, yup Jan 29 07:10:10 Morning Jan 29 07:10:32 morning? Jan 29 07:10:46 It's far from morning :P Jan 29 07:10:56 ~ugt Jan 29 07:11:05 where is that AWOL bot.... Jan 29 07:11:29 kesne, look up Universal Greeting Time Jan 29 07:11:36 :P Jan 29 07:12:02 http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Jan 29 07:12:22 ka6sox: http://webos-ports.github.com/org.webosports.app.calendar/debug.html Jan 29 07:13:20 It's fully localized too Jan 29 07:13:31 Both the day view and the month view detect locale and display accordingly. Jan 29 07:13:44 Including translations, 12 hour/24 hour time, start of the week. Jan 29 07:13:46 Good stuff. Jan 29 07:14:06 indeed...eventually I'd like prefs for switching between 12/24 Jan 29 07:14:18 wierd action upon "scroll" Jan 29 07:14:33 it kind of POPS and bounces off the stops in day mode. Jan 29 07:14:57 I'm not seeing that Jan 29 07:14:58 might just be a desktop browser/scrollwheel issue. Jan 29 07:15:10 It's not made for scroll wheels Jan 29 07:15:17 heh Jan 29 07:15:36 I have yet to test it in webOS Jan 29 07:15:38 Let me do that now Jan 29 07:15:42 kk Jan 29 07:16:33 I also made a makefile that automates creating ipks Jan 29 07:17:26 did you use the build.git stuff? Jan 29 07:17:33 kesne, by the way, we are now packaging your app into webos-dev-image, we will bump the commit that it is using when there is a major version change. Jan 29 07:17:52 ka6sox: Nope, had no idea how to do that. Jan 29 07:18:06 If someone wants me to tell me how, that'd be nice. Jan 29 07:18:18 scoutcamper: Alright, where is that? Jan 29 07:18:32 sure, but tomorrow morning I get up in 5hrs...so not tonight Jan 29 07:18:35 webos-dev-image is the OE image for gnex and N7 Jan 29 07:18:43 ka6sox: Sounds good. Jan 29 07:20:12 scoutcamper: Alright, I see it. Jan 29 07:22:09 Woo Jan 29 07:22:12 The app works on webOS Jan 29 07:22:22 :) Jan 29 07:22:38 Looks pretty terrible, but that's okay. Jan 29 07:22:56 Hopefully Open webOS supports more css. Jan 29 07:25:36 Also, the touchpad registers as a narrow screen Jan 29 07:25:43 Which is what I use to swap to the phone UI. Jan 29 07:25:47 So that's not great. Jan 29 07:26:13 once ShiftyAxel|Away gets back we should ask him to try it on the N7 Jan 29 07:26:28 That'd be ideal. Jan 29 07:26:40 The build script still breaks images, so everything is flat. Jan 29 07:26:43 I need to figure that out. Jan 29 07:27:02 * scoutcamper brb(reboot to update KDE) Jan 29 07:41:59 scoutcamper: Do you have any experiencing building webos apps? Jan 29 07:42:53 as in with build.git? yes Jan 29 07:43:02 Not with build.git Jan 29 07:43:13 What the hell is build.git Jan 29 07:43:48 the webos-internals build enviroment for getting apps into preware Jan 29 07:44:04 What does it do? Jan 29 07:44:28 compile ipk's from git repo into the feeds Jan 29 07:44:41 hmm Jan 29 07:44:48 how can I set that up? Jan 29 07:45:44 its quite a large tool but to start mkdir /srv/preware && cd /srv/preware && git clone git://github.com/webosinternals/build.git Jan 29 07:46:07 then cd into /srv/preware/build/ and do a make toolchain -j<# of cpu's here> Jan 29 07:47:00 Do I need to set that up? Jan 29 07:48:46 depends. Jan 29 07:49:07 on? Jan 29 07:49:07 do you have a different way to build .ipk's of your app? Jan 29 07:49:11 Oh Jan 29 07:49:19 I just have a simple makefile Jan 29 07:49:33 I can change though. Jan 29 07:50:02 if what you have is working dont change it. Jan 29 07:51:44 i am writing a build.git makefile for this now, ill leave it up to you and ShiftyAxel|Away when we want to put this into alpha feeds. Jan 29 07:54:19 Why would the calendar app need to be in preware? Jan 29 07:56:35 IF it works on 3.x and 2.x devices preware is how we give it to them. Jan 29 07:56:47 It probably won't. Jan 29 07:56:51 :/ Jan 29 07:56:53 okay Jan 29 07:57:06 I mean, I wouldn't think so. Jan 29 07:57:16 I'm using some system calls and stuff. Jan 29 07:57:27 which use the new luna namespace, right? Jan 29 07:57:31 right Jan 29 07:57:32 :/ Jan 29 07:57:41 Well then Jan 29 07:57:42 ka6sox, why does calendar need build.git? Jan 29 07:57:45 That's settled. Jan 29 07:57:53 * scoutcamper needs sleep now. work in 6hrs. Jan 29 07:58:04 I have class in 5 :P Jan 29 12:03:07 folks Jan 29 16:26:10 * scoutcamper waves Jan 29 16:26:22 * kesne waves back. Jan 29 16:29:44 * HaDAk waves at scoutcamper Jan 29 16:41:17 scoutcamper, kesne: palm and luna service calls are inter-compatible, it'll work on 3.x Jan 29 16:41:21 possibly 2.x too Jan 29 16:41:31 Oh really? Jan 29 16:41:34 yeah Jan 29 16:41:35 Hmm Jan 29 16:41:47 also Ow does indeed have better CSS support than 3.x, way better Jan 29 16:41:58 it renders exactly the same as it does in chrome Jan 29 16:42:01 Well I'm still not sure how it'll work because I need access to the calendar database. Jan 29 16:42:07 (as far as i've seen, which is a fair bit) Jan 29 16:42:18 Time for class Jan 29 16:42:20 I think the majority of Ow is exactly the same as 3.x interface-wise Jan 29 16:42:24 alrighty, have fun Jan 29 17:12:32 mornin Jan 29 17:38:53 morning EricBlade1 Jan 29 18:02:58 Aaaand back Jan 29 18:03:26 hey kes Jan 29 18:03:28 kesne: * Jan 29 18:03:33 man i can't type this morning Jan 29 18:03:37 or remember to hit tab Jan 29 18:04:10 Heh Jan 29 18:08:08 mmmh what am I supposed to do with the first-run black LSM welcome screen ? nothing special appears... Am I missing something ? Jan 29 18:21:14 ShifyAxel->Ping Jan 29 18:28:56 When you get around, got a few questions... 1. How to handle back gesture. I'm using your settings app as an example and when on a legacy phone, when I use back gesture, it minimizes the card instead of going back to the first panel. How to fix this? 2. Can we make "conditional" items in the list of settings options? I'd like to have for example "Exhibition" to show conditionally, any idea Jan 29 18:28:56 how to go about this? Jan 29 18:30:55 I have also a question: would it be possible to include left and right arrows to the keyboard map ? Jan 29 18:31:38 clicking precisely on the text is really difficult on a screen with a finger... Jan 29 19:20:00 Herrie: try using BackGesture.js from webos-ports-lib? Jan 29 19:20:14 and yeah, conditional items are possible, conditional upon what? Jan 29 19:32:22 anyone using x86-64 to build webos (oe) ? Jan 29 19:32:54 64 bit ubuntu? *raises hand* Jan 29 19:33:05 scoutcamper: you have any issues with the qt build ? Jan 29 19:33:13 none Jan 29 19:33:24 i can't build anything with qt4 on x64, as it doesn't locate qmake-palm Jan 29 19:33:36 but i use the webos-ports build env, not the HP be. Jan 29 19:33:39 so i wonder if i'm missing something Jan 29 19:33:42 is qmake-webos-native built? Jan 29 19:34:30 it looks like it ..w asn't Jan 29 19:37:10 i wonder how that's possible, unless it failed to build and the builder didn't notice Jan 29 19:39:43 it looks like there's nothing that forces qmake-webos-native to build Jan 29 19:41:46 It might be one of those things which just gets built at the same time as qt4, and nothing depends on it like it should Jan 29 19:42:23 oh, no, LSM depends on it Jan 29 19:46:16 ShiftyAxel: Ok thnx for BackGesture.js hint, will give it a go :) Jan 29 19:47:52 For conditional: Let's take settings app as an example and let's say i'd want to display Exhibition based on if a cookie value was set Jan 29 19:49:18 In my app Exhibition would be some "Login" for example that would only need to be shown if user is not logged in and cookie hasn't been set Jan 29 19:51:48 halfhalo: i see .. i hadn't quite got around to grepping it. i guess that since luna-sysmgr-common is depended upon my luna-sysmgr, and so is qmake-webos-native, that i guess it was working Jan 29 19:53:56 aha. just an oversight in the luna-sysmgr-common recipe Jan 29 20:07:21 what is "guilt"? (the package) kernel.org is refusing to give ti to me Jan 29 20:16:22 looks like kernel.org is hosed Jan 29 20:17:41 anyone else confirm that no files under the "pub/linux/kernel/people" directory on kernel.org are findable? Jan 29 20:18:54 next question -- does luna-sysmgr tag 5 build on gnex? Jan 29 20:18:57 or any other devices? Jan 29 20:56:22 Question. What's the plan for getting apps onto webos? Is there a new store being made? Jan 29 22:13:29 scoutcamper, kesne: the calendar app does not seem to use cordova yet Jan 29 22:13:46 morphis: The latest version does. Jan 29 22:13:47 thats needed for device support and prevents the app from being started correctly on the device Jan 29 22:13:50 kesne: good Jan 29 22:14:20 morphis: Though only in index.html, so you'll need to build it before dumping it on a device. Jan 29 22:14:28 Though I'm personally running into build issues. Jan 29 22:15:08 kesne, OE is running minify before dumping calendar onto the device Jan 29 22:16:09 Good good. Jan 29 22:16:22 I need to figure out why minify screws up on my machine... Jan 29 22:19:05 kesne: we're adding a symlink to the installed cordova version in the build process too Jan 29 22:19:18 Okay Jan 29 22:19:27 So that cordova.webos.js won't hurt? Jan 29 22:32:56 kesne: it's against the convention Jan 29 22:33:08 Hmm? Jan 29 22:33:16 kesne: you don't need to put the cordova.js into the repo Jan 29 22:33:29 it will be put as symlink within the build process at the app dir Jan 29 22:33:39 Okay, well can I include it in mine for testing reasons and then .gitignore it? Jan 29 22:33:48 yes Jan 29 22:33:53 but you have to name it cordova.js Jan 29 22:34:01 not cordova.webos.js? Jan 29 22:34:06 yes Jan 29 22:35:40 Okay Jan 29 22:35:41 Can do Jan 29 22:35:51 I'll make those changes in a couple minutes. Jan 29 22:36:13 Be right back Jan 30 00:01:43 ka6sox: Ping Jan 30 00:02:23 Aww man Jan 30 00:05:50 Blah Jan 30 00:05:55 I have stupid deployment issues. Jan 30 00:06:05 The path for image urls gets all crappy. Jan 30 00:06:14 It's giving me "../../../../documents/development/org.webosports.app.calendar/lib/onyx/images/gradient.png" Jan 30 00:06:34 WHY?! Jan 30 00:06:59 That technically works in the main folder. Jan 30 00:07:18 But it should just be "../lib/onyx/images/gradient.png" Jan 30 01:38:44 Heya Jan 30 02:59:03 morphis: I updated the repo for you **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 30 02:59:59 2013