**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 30 02:59:59 2013
Jan 30 03:08:29 <kesne> damn scoots
Jan 30 05:46:47 <kesne> ka6sox: Ping
Jan 30 05:46:51 <kesne> Actually
Jan 30 05:46:54 <kesne> I just need someone
Jan 30 06:36:24 <kesne> Where is everybody :(
Jan 30 06:36:38 <PatrickC> hey kesne :)
Jan 30 06:36:47 <kesne> Hey PatrickC .
Jan 30 06:36:53 <kesne> Unfortunately, I don't think you can help
Jan 30 06:37:02 <PatrickC> sup? i can try :)
Jan 30 06:37:08 <PatrickC> though you're probably right :P
Jan 30 06:37:13 * PatrickC says as he compiles his latest ROM
Jan 30 06:37:21 <PatrickC> i've moved over to the dark side
Jan 30 06:40:05 <kesne> Woo hoo.
Jan 30 06:40:20 <kesne> I'm just trying to figure out how to tell if it's the first time I've launched an application.
Jan 30 06:40:34 <PatrickC> i remember i used to know how to do that...
Jan 30 06:41:34 <PatrickC> lemme see if i still have the code
Jan 30 06:43:33 <PatrickC> doesn't seem like i do :/
Jan 30 06:45:02 * PatrickC looks back on former projects and feels sad that they never made it anywhere
Jan 30 06:45:24 <PatrickC> i almost want to pick a few up again and try to fix them
Jan 30 16:00:55 <ShiftyAxel> kesne: check localStorage on load?
Jan 30 16:01:13 <ShiftyAxel> if it's not been written to, write to it, if it has then the user's evidently done it before
Jan 30 16:20:56 <Unisian> ShiftyAxel: Afternoon. How are things coming along?
Jan 30 16:22:19 <ShiftyAxel> morning Unisian,things are fairly good
Jan 30 16:22:28 <ShiftyAxel> preware loads stuff now :D
Jan 30 16:22:36 <ShiftyAxel> and kesne is working on a very pretty calendar app
Jan 30 16:23:08 <ShiftyAxel> and to top it off, what i thought was going to be an evil 9-5 uni say turned out to be a not-so-evil 9-3:30 uni day
Jan 30 16:23:23 <Unisian> I have seen the calendar app, and it does look pretty cool.  by "Preware loads stuff now" do you mean, you can install stuff via preware or..?
Jan 30 16:23:49 <Unisian> Haha, my 8:30 -5pm Work day has consisted of ... around 5-10 minutes work
Jan 30 16:24:07 <ShiftyAxel> not yet i'm afraid, but it loads and populates an internal list of packages from the feed
Jan 30 16:24:30 <ShiftyAxel> and I think install functionality is there, but it's untested so far because the UI isn't plumbed in yet
Jan 30 16:24:34 <ShiftyAxel> and uni's been eating me
Jan 30 16:24:50 <Unisian> Haven't got around to any of the app stuff yet though, managed to blow up 2 plug sockets using my computer on Monday... I wasn't allowed near any of the plugs after that
Jan 30 16:24:58 <ShiftyAxel> ouch
Jan 30 16:25:06 <ShiftyAxel> hardware problems?
Jan 30 16:25:22 <Unisian> Yea, but we had a technician in and he's replaced them both so going to try again
Jan 30 16:25:32 <Unisian> I'm not sure, I think it may just be my computer as it's dying...
Jan 30 16:25:50 <Unisian> During games it'll hit 97+ in temps
Jan 30 16:26:05 <ShiftyAxel> yikes
Jan 30 16:26:07 <Unisian> and then just stutted, flash on and off
Jan 30 16:26:17 <Unisian> Then close my game (frustrating)
Jan 30 16:26:21 <ShiftyAxel> cleaned your fans out recently?
Jan 30 16:26:31 <Unisian> Then when you think it's all fine, it'll turn off too...
Jan 30 16:26:36 <Unisian> And nah, bought an iMac instead
Jan 30 16:26:59 <Unisian> Oh dear. That just made me sound like an Apple fanyboy a little...
Jan 30 16:27:02 <Unisian> Fanboy*
Jan 30 16:27:10 <Unisian> "My computer was getting slow, so I bought a new one"
Jan 30 16:27:30 <Unisian> Although, my current one is my brothers old one so, about 3-4 years old
Jan 30 16:27:34 <ShiftyAxel> well, whatever floats your boat :)
Jan 30 16:27:56 <ShiftyAxel> is it one of those ridiculously thin ones?
Jan 30 16:27:57 <Unisian> I just wanted a 3rd monitor really ... besides, it saves space and looks pretty, too
Jan 30 16:28:03 <Unisian> Yea, the 27" new ones
Jan 30 16:28:27 <Unisian> 3TB Fusion drive... BUILD SPEEDS<3
Jan 30 16:28:38 <ShiftyAxel> nice, what sort of grunt does it have?
Jan 30 16:28:49 <ShiftyAxel> I also obtained a new compter recently :D
Jan 30 16:28:56 <Unisian> All top-spec except RAM as I'm going to do that 3rd party
Jan 30 16:28:59 <ShiftyAxel> s/compter/computer/
Jan 30 16:29:33 <Unisian> and I saw, I don't follow many people on Twitter and only your posts are of any interest so... I see just about everything -stalk stalk-
Jan 30 16:30:03 <ShiftyAxel> haha, well it's good to know my posts are informative
Jan 30 16:30:15 <ShiftyAxel> I'm quite surprised at how many followers i've managed to attract
Jan 30 16:30:32 <Unisian> It's the DP, I reckon
Jan 30 16:30:55 <ShiftyAxel> also the high-end imac on apple.com doesn't appear to have a 3Tb fusion drive... did you go custom build?
Jan 30 16:30:56 <ShiftyAxel> DP?
Jan 30 16:31:03 <Unisian> Display Pictire
Jan 30 16:31:15 <Unisian> Yea, I went custom and maxed everything except RAM
Jan 30 16:31:22 <Unisian> s/pictire/Picture
Jan 30 16:31:36 <Unisian> http://www.amazon.co.uk/White-Computer-Glass-Table-Office/dp/B0055C6YNK/ref=sr_1_15?s=officeproduct&ie=UTF8&qid=1359373416&sr=1-15
Jan 30 16:31:37 <ShiftyAxel> ah, fizzgig :D
Jan 30 16:31:41 <Unisian> That will be my work space soon
Jan 30 16:31:53 <ShiftyAxel> blimey, that iMac must have cost you several limbs
Jan 30 16:31:53 <Unisian> With the Mac in the middle/corner, and a monitor either side
Jan 30 16:32:01 <Unisian> Aha, just a tad...
Jan 30 16:32:29 <Unisian> It was £50 off maxing my Credit Card, so... I'll have to spend the next few months paying it back
Jan 30 16:33:05 <ShiftyAxel> wow, that's an investment alright
Jan 30 16:33:28 <ShiftyAxel> looking at it, you almost have the same specs as my beast... just in a screen
Jan 30 16:33:41 <ShiftyAxel> (I also am upgrading my RAM later)
Jan 30 16:33:57 <ShiftyAxel> also that desk is pretty
Jan 30 16:33:58 <Unisian> Haha, when I applied for the credit card, I was telling myself "It's just for emergencies... Money if I really need it..." the day I got it, I spend allthe money on it...
Jan 30 16:34:15 <Unisian> It is a pretty desk :D Will go nicely with the cream sofa my parents have shoved with my computer
Jan 30 16:34:34 <Unisian> I'm sure packing it all into a screen, comes with a huge price tag though
Jan 30 16:34:39 <ShiftyAxel> funny enough that's the same mindset I had when I got my macbook
Jan 30 16:35:01 <ShiftyAxel> 'student load just came in... don't spend it all, it's for living comfortably on...'
Jan 30 16:35:14 <Unisian> 'I can live comfortably with a Macbook!"
Jan 30 16:35:17 <ShiftyAxel> aaaand living in overdraft for a year
Jan 30 16:35:25 <ShiftyAxel> lol, yes :p
Jan 30 16:36:12 <Unisian> I'm so bad with money... I was sat in my brothers room whilst he was working on his site and felt like doing a bit of coding... Instead of walking to my computer (2 rooms across) I had the idea of buying a laptop for "times like these"
Jan 30 16:36:40 <ShiftyAxel> to be fair, having a laptop did enormously increase my coding productivity
Jan 30 16:37:29 <Unisian> I've had laptops, and never could really justify the price tag for the specs
Jan 30 16:37:51 <Unisian> and I only ever really used it when I was in college anyway, to play games... or umm, "study"
Jan 30 16:38:56 <ShiftyAxel> I used mine for goofing off and playing some borderlands before my presentation session today
Jan 30 16:39:01 <ShiftyAxel> 640x480 ftl
Jan 30 16:39:35 <Unisian> Haha, I was using my phone to emulate as PS1 yesterday for Destruction Derby 2... Never gets old...
Jan 30 16:39:56 <Unisian> We used to play UrbanTerror in college due to one of my friends only having a netbook :/ That sucked...
Jan 30 16:40:08 <Unisian> Then he got a new laptop and we upgraded to AOE3 and GTAIV
Jan 30 16:40:58 <ShiftyAxel> AOE?
Jan 30 16:41:10 <Unisian> Age of Empires
Jan 30 16:41:14 <ShiftyAxel> ah :)
Jan 30 16:41:21 <ShiftyAxel> I really need to get back to GTA at some point, I stopped playing after liberty city stories on PSP
Jan 30 16:41:26 <ShiftyAxel> no special reason
Jan 30 16:42:00 <Unisian> What's this whole SCaLE11X thing? and GTA kinda got boring for me... I'm much more into strategic games (I can spend hours and hours on end with Tower Defence games...)
Jan 30 16:44:09 <ShiftyAxel> SCaLE is the South California Linux Expo
Jan 30 16:44:22 <ShiftyAxel> held at the LAX hilton
Jan 30 16:44:32 <ShiftyAxel> I'm going this year :D
Jan 30 16:44:50 <Unisian> It looks interesting... But it'd cost me a good few months wages to go :(
Jan 30 16:45:10 <Unisian> I don't think that's what a Uni loan is for ;)
Jan 30 16:45:59 <ShiftyAxel> thankfully my flight's being covered by my mother's air miles, and my dad got me the room for xmas
Jan 30 16:46:14 <ShiftyAxel> so all in all i'm extremely lucky to be going
Jan 30 16:46:39 <Unisian> Ahh that's alright then. I think the one I'm looking to go to, is the Ubuntu thing that's held in Denmark
Jan 30 16:49:28 <ShiftyAxel> nice, is that organized by canonical?
Jan 30 16:50:29 <Unisian> I believe so
Jan 30 16:50:41 <ShiftyAxel> sweet
Jan 30 16:50:46 <ShiftyAxel> what sort of stuff do they do?
Jan 30 16:51:34 <Unisian> It's a lot about where Ubuntu is heading and what to expect, chance to speak to the developers and also stuff like, learning more in-depth stuff about Ubuntu, like the coding side and how it's all pieced together, how it works with the kernel and stuff
Jan 30 16:52:56 <ShiftyAxel> my money's on a heavy ubuntu phone focus this year then
Jan 30 16:53:15 <ShiftyAxel> it would definately be interesting to learn more about linux and it's various bits
Jan 30 16:53:17 <Unisian> Ahh, I'm not too sure about an Ubuntu phone
Jan 30 16:53:37 <ShiftyAxel> not seen the 'announcement's?
Jan 30 16:54:09 <Unisian> Yea, it does look kinda nice... but my experience with Ubuntu has always been kinda rocky
Jan 30 16:54:26 <ShiftyAxel> I quite like ubuntu, but I'm a bit meh about the phone thing
Jan 30 16:54:38 <ShiftyAxel> they're coming in too late and don't have anything close to finished
Jan 30 16:54:52 <ShiftyAxel> oh, and no appstore on launch
Jan 30 16:55:09 <ShiftyAxel> some of the interface ideas seem interesting though, the whole edge thing
Jan 30 16:55:17 <Unisian> Yea, that's a point.. Most of the software vendors are offering money for apps now too
Jan 30 16:55:33 <Unisian> I do like the edge thing... But, that's what I like about OWOS... Gestures
Jan 30 16:57:03 <Unisian> Was it you that had a dislike towards Sony?
Jan 30 16:57:25 <ShiftyAxel> no, I think that was someone else... maybe fxspec06
Jan 30 16:57:40 <ShiftyAxel> my opinion of sony has mostly been ambivalence
Jan 30 16:58:00 <Unisian> Ahh yes maybe. Was just going to say, I think they're really aiming more towards Open Sourcewith their releases
Jan 30 16:58:16 <Unisian> Might send them an email to see if they can be of any help towards drivers for OWOS
Jan 30 16:58:22 <ShiftyAxel> except when I updated my imported PSP-1000 without reading the homebrew 'DON'T FUGGIN UPDATE' instructions
Jan 30 16:58:29 <Unisian> However, I'll be back in a bit, going home from work
Jan 30 16:58:38 <Unisian> Haha that sucks
Jan 30 16:58:38 <ShiftyAxel> alrighty, laters
Jan 30 16:58:54 <ShiftyAxel> yes it did :P
Jan 30 18:44:30 <kesne> Anybody here?
Jan 30 18:44:32 <kesne> ShiftyAxel: ping
Jan 30 18:44:59 * HaDAk hides behind the counter.
Jan 30 18:45:07 <kesne> Heh
Jan 30 18:45:16 <kesne> I'm just trying to figure out dashboards
Jan 30 18:45:51 <HaDAk> dashboards?
Jan 30 18:45:58 <kesne> Yeah
Jan 30 18:46:00 <kesne> On Enyo
Jan 30 18:46:18 <HaDAk> http://webos101.com/Enyo_Dashboard_App
Jan 30 18:46:20 <HaDAk> like that?
Jan 30 18:46:32 <kesne> Yeah, but with Enyo2
Jan 30 18:47:04 <HaDAk> oh
Jan 30 18:47:08 <HaDAk> try #enyojs
Jan 30 18:47:20 <kesne> Nobody's ever there to help :(
Jan 30 18:47:24 <Tofe> I'm not sure I understand what it looks like
Jan 30 18:47:36 <Tofe> (but I'm sure I can't help)
Jan 30 18:48:56 <Tofe> is it like a temporary popup ?
Jan 30 18:49:19 <Tofe> or a permanent non-fullscreen window ?
Jan 30 18:49:55 <kesne> Well, I have a few that I need.
Jan 30 18:50:09 <kesne> I need to add a dashboard, and a popup.
Jan 30 18:50:19 <kesne> The poup is temorary, the dashboard is permanent
Jan 30 18:50:34 <Tofe> oki. sort-ok widget, then
Jan 30 18:50:39 <Tofe> sort-of*
Jan 30 18:51:08 <Tofe> seems useful, yes :)
Jan 30 18:56:47 <kesne> Yes
Jan 30 18:56:49 <kesne> Sure
Jan 30 18:57:45 <EricBlade1> kesne: If you want to do a webOS dashboard, you can search Enyo 1 to see how it actually opens the window, I think it's PalmSystem.openDashboard() something like that
Jan 30 18:58:01 <EricBlade1> and that just points to a different html file
Jan 30 18:58:21 <EricBlade1> so it's running a new window, that is owned by the same application, it's just like opening a second card
Jan 30 19:00:03 <kesne> Bueno
Jan 30 19:00:13 <kesne> EricBlade1: What about popups?
Jan 30 19:05:11 <EricBlade1> kesne: system popups, the alert box?
Jan 30 19:05:26 <kesne> I'm not sure...
Jan 30 19:05:33 <kesne> Like the calendar alerts.
Jan 30 19:09:32 <kesne> Also, today I woke up 8 minutes before class and class was just over a mile away.
Jan 30 19:09:40 <kesne> That was a fun run...
Jan 30 19:10:28 <EricBlade1> yeah the alert box is similar, i can't think of what the way to open it is though.  the code for it is all in Enyo 1, and it works basically the same way, though
Jan 30 19:11:23 <EricBlade1> Although the Enyo 1 support for launching Enyo dashboards was pretty convenient, personally I'd try to avoid loading Enyo in a dashboard or alert window, unless you really need it
Jan 30 19:17:45 <Herrie> See also community stuff on enyojs.com there's something there for popup stuff too
Jan 30 19:19:09 <Herrie> http://enyojs.com/gallery/
Jan 30 19:19:22 <Herrie> Notification by MacFJA
Jan 30 19:19:26 <Herrie> Might be what you're looking for
Jan 30 19:28:14 <kesne> EricBlade1: I won't load up enyo in the dash.
Jan 30 19:28:19 <kesne> I'll just use some simple CSSS
Jan 30 19:28:28 <kesne> Make it look consistent, but without Enyo.
Jan 30 19:34:37 <HaDAk> can anybody fix my account on the wiki?
Jan 30 19:34:44 <HaDAk> it's not letting me upload pictures.
Jan 30 19:34:58 <scoutcamper> HaDAk, what is the error it is giving?
Jan 30 19:35:07 <HaDAk> The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Administrators, human.
Jan 30 19:35:13 <scoutcamper> 0.o
Jan 30 19:35:35 <EricBlade1> you are not a human. you cannot upload files.
Jan 30 19:35:42 <PatrickC> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414107,00.asp and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227797 O_o
Jan 30 19:35:55 <HaDAk> dammit!
Jan 30 19:36:01 <HaDAk> i knew i shouldn't have let you in on my secret
Jan 30 19:36:03 <HaDAk> way to ruin it EricBlade1
Jan 30 19:36:06 <scoutcamper> HaDAk, are you logged in?
Jan 30 19:36:18 <HaDAk> yes
Jan 30 19:36:28 <PatrickC> oil! long time no see
Jan 30 19:36:33 <oil> yeah
Jan 30 19:37:13 <scoutcamper> HaDAk, logout and back in
Jan 30 19:37:49 <EricBlade1> oil!
Jan 30 19:37:57 <oil> hey
Jan 30 19:37:58 <HaDAk> Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
Jan 30 19:37:58 <HaDAk> Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.
Jan 30 19:37:58 <HaDAk> (Can't contact the database server: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 110 (10.10.10.99))
Jan 30 19:38:14 <scoutcamper> cryptk, i blame you for this. ^^
Jan 30 19:38:25 <cryptk> it is me
Jan 30 19:38:28 <cryptk> will be back shortly
Jan 30 19:38:31 <HaDAk> :O
Jan 30 19:38:37 <HaDAk> cryptk broke it.
Jan 30 19:38:47 <HaDAk> why do you always break it when i'm trying to upload photos? :P
Jan 30 19:38:54 <HaDAk> my latest submission is baller
Jan 30 19:39:05 <HaDAk> http://cl.ly/image/3t3s0b1A2V3y
Jan 30 19:39:14 <EricBlade1> baller? yes, hadak is from detroit metro
Jan 30 19:39:28 <HaDAk> XD
Jan 30 19:39:32 <cryptk> HaDAk, should be fixed now
Jan 30 19:39:34 <HaDAk> you leave me alone, white boy.
Jan 30 19:39:39 <HaDAk> cryptk: lemme try
Jan 30 19:39:51 <HaDAk> yeah, better
Jan 30 19:40:31 <HaDAk> it still thinks i'm a meat puppet
Jan 30 19:42:52 <HaDAk> hey, there it's working now
Jan 30 19:42:57 <HaDAk> i think it logged me out before?
Jan 30 19:43:01 <HaDAk> i had to log in -again-
Jan 30 19:48:57 <cryptk> HaDAk, it likely did
Jan 30 19:49:15 <cryptk> I was bouncing MySQL back and forth between our failovers for a bit there to fix an issue
Jan 30 19:49:19 <HaDAk> is there a way to delete a file i uploaded? gave it the wrong name.
Jan 30 19:49:30 <cryptk> have to check with scoutcamper on that one
Jan 30 19:49:39 <cryptk> he's the wiki master, I do infrastructure :P
Jan 30 19:50:00 * scoutcamper does a bit everything
Jan 30 19:50:12 <HaDAk> unless you can just rename the old one?
Jan 30 19:50:24 <HaDAk> my dumbass named it hkokx-goghhome.png. it should be HaDAk-goghhome.png
Jan 30 19:50:37 <Tofe> that's quite a typo
Jan 30 19:50:43 <HaDAk> heh.
Jan 30 19:50:55 <HaDAk> i swear. the keys are literally right next to each other
Jan 30 19:51:26 <scoutcamper> HaDAk, deleted. go ahead an upload a new one
Jan 30 19:51:29 <HaDAk> thanks
Jan 30 19:52:36 <HaDAk> that worked. thanks.
Jan 30 22:53:54 <kesne> Woo
Jan 30 22:54:16 <kesne> EricBlade1: So just to be sure, I should not include enyo in dashboards and popups?
Jan 30 23:14:18 <micro-tech> aHHHHHH  my Windows 8 ate it self
Jan 30 23:15:11 <EricBlade1> kesne: well, its' ok if you do, but if you're doing something simple, it seems a waste of time/memory
Jan 30 23:24:54 <kesne> EricBlade1: Waste of time?
Jan 30 23:30:50 <kesne> Also, in webOS, there are services limited to the com.palm namespace. In webOS Ports, is this extended to org.webosports too?
Jan 30 23:37:20 <kesne> dkirker: Ping
Jan 30 23:37:23 <kesne> ka6sox: You too
Jan 30 23:39:00 <dkirker> hi
Jan 30 23:39:43 <ka6sox> lo
Jan 30 23:40:09 <dkirker> hipot
Jan 30 23:40:24 <ka6sox> wheeee
Jan 30 23:40:49 * dkirker blows ka6sox's brains out with 200A current
Jan 30 23:40:52 <dkirker> :D
Jan 30 23:41:01 <kesne> Whoa
Jan 30 23:41:06 <kesne> You're both here.
Jan 30 23:41:10 <kesne> Okay, I need to know two things.
Jan 30 23:41:16 <dkirker> or a 200W microwave signal :P
Jan 30 23:41:43 <dkirker> fire away!
Jan 30 23:41:54 <kesne> ka6sox: I sent yours in a private message.
Jan 30 23:42:00 <kesne> dkirker: What's the account situation?
Jan 30 23:42:18 <ka6sox> uh oh...I'm in trouble now
Jan 30 23:42:20 <kesne> I know there's a Palm Profile account by default.
Jan 30 23:43:03 <dkirker> I am not sure which others are currently defined. You will need to create the calendar account definitions. You can likely use the ones from the Enyo1 cal app.
Jan 30 23:43:16 <dkirker> possibly changing any app IDs
Jan 30 23:43:47 <dkirker> Palm Profile I think writes to the calendar db?
Jan 30 23:44:00 <dkirker> but... you will need to define any external services yourself...
Jan 30 23:44:09 <dkirker> Google, Exchange, et al. are not included
Jan 30 23:44:41 <dkirker> Some people have started on CalDAV and CardDAV! But, they are not really useable at the moment... :(
Jan 30 23:45:29 <kesne> Okay
Jan 31 00:11:27 * EricBlade1 discovers that someone is explicitly setting argv[] in webappmanager
Jan 31 00:23:25 <EricBlade1> what on earth does the "webos" qpa do, and where is it ...
Jan 31 00:25:17 <kesne> dkirker: Okay, so I have to actually create a new account for the calendar?
Jan 31 00:25:28 <kesne> There's no way that I can piggyback on the existing HP webOS Profile?
Jan 31 00:25:42 <dkirker> well, you might be able to
Jan 31 00:26:00 <dkirker> I am not sure what the state of the palm profile is. If it logs in, or is just a "dummy"
Jan 31 00:26:10 <kesne> I'm just curious because this is supposed to be the default calendar app.
Jan 31 00:26:33 <kesne> For right now, should I just have it create its own account and then we can rework it when the time comes?
Jan 31 00:27:12 <kesne> Also, I'm assuming Synergy Connectors work in open webOS?
Jan 31 00:27:21 <kesne> Because that's essentially what I'd be implementing.
Jan 31 00:32:47 <kesne> dkirker: Also, can I use the same calendar icons from webOS 3.0?
Jan 31 00:33:09 <dkirker> kesne: I don't think that is a problem.
Jan 31 00:33:35 <dkirker> fwiw, the calendar app is just a front end to the calendar database, synergy connectors are what populates it
Jan 31 00:33:43 <kesne> dkirker: Okay, good good.
Jan 31 00:33:45 <dkirker> my understanding is that they work on open webos
Jan 31 00:33:49 <kesne> Bueno
Jan 31 00:35:34 <EricBlade1> pretty sure the profile that's in is local to the device only
Jan 31 00:35:46 <EricBlade1> it should be a valid account for connectors to use thogh
Jan 31 00:35:51 <kesne> EricBlade1: Yeah, it is.
Jan 31 00:35:58 <kesne> EricBlade1: So do I need to create my own?
Jan 31 00:36:14 <kesne> I didn't think that the service calls let you "extend" accounts.
Jan 31 00:36:50 <EricBlade1> well if you're replacing the existing calendar app, then you should have access to it
Jan 31 00:37:08 <kesne> Hmm
Jan 31 00:37:09 <kesne> Okay.
Jan 31 00:37:19 <kesne> I guess I'm just confused by the flow of the account creation.
Jan 31 00:37:39 <EricBlade1> that's perfectly understandable
Jan 31 00:38:02 <EricBlade1> and I imagine that the existing calendar app is probably about as much of a nightmare to read as the messaging app is
Jan 31 00:38:16 <kesne> Oh it's hell.
Jan 31 00:38:36 <kesne> Heh, it's not very documented at all, and following the flow of everything is pretty crazy.
Jan 31 00:38:46 <EricBlade1> yeah it is
Jan 31 00:39:00 <kesne> I'm not modeling after it, but I want to know how to set up the actual db and account and such.
Jan 31 00:39:54 <dkirker> well, in a lot of webOS, db8 is the hub for everything
Jan 31 00:40:00 <dkirker> db8 and subscribing to services
Jan 31 00:40:07 <dkirker> the calendar app is just a UI
Jan 31 00:40:18 <kesne> Yeah, that's how the Calendar works of course. But it still sets up the databases and accounts.
Jan 31 00:40:36 <kesne> So I need to make this app do that too.
Jan 31 00:40:53 <dkirker> the synergy services set up a db that calendar reads from
Jan 31 00:41:13 <kesne> dkirker: So is the database already set up when the app is installed?
Jan 31 00:41:36 <dkirker> it is defined in the account definition file for the synergy server
Jan 31 00:41:38 <dkirker> *service
Jan 31 00:41:58 <kesne> So I still need the calendar to create the account.
Jan 31 00:42:16 <dkirker> the calendar should pop up a UI to add accounts, yes
Jan 31 00:42:36 <kesne> Blah
Jan 31 00:42:36 <kesne> Okay
Jan 31 00:44:20 <dkirker> I think this might step you though the general idea of a service: https://github.com/ericblade/webos-messaging-connector
Jan 31 00:44:35 <dkirker> best bet is to... read the enyo1 calendars code, I am afraid
Jan 31 00:44:46 <EricBlade1> hey i wrote that
Jan 31 00:45:28 <dkirker> Why the fuck won't cron stay running on my Pre3 with this damn init script? or even upstart script?...
Jan 31 00:45:34 <dkirker> It starts, then mysteriously dies....
Jan 31 00:45:35 <EricBlade1> i wouldn't worry too much about the ui for adding accounts to begin with, as the Settings->Accounts app works. at least, sometimes.
Jan 31 00:46:06 <kesne> The webOS Calendar app doesn't user a service.
Jan 31 00:46:09 <kesne> *use
Jan 31 00:46:12 <dkirker> yeah, definitely don't worry about that. most services should really only need a username/password
Jan 31 00:46:26 <dkirker> kesne: no, it won't have one built into it
Jan 31 00:46:43 <dkirker> for the most part, it puts watches on databases
Jan 31 00:46:52 <dkirker> there should be some "first use" code
Jan 31 00:47:04 <kesne> The first use code renders a kind that I can't find.
Jan 31 00:47:08 <dkirker> you know, that dialog box that pops up and says "which accounts do you want to use? create an account?"
Jan 31 00:47:22 <dkirker> check in the accounts app?
Jan 31 00:47:39 <kesne> I did.
Jan 31 00:47:44 <kesne> There should be a file called FirstUse.js
Jan 31 00:47:46 <kesne> but it's not there.
Jan 31 00:48:00 <kesne> or firstlaunch.js, rather
Jan 31 00:48:36 <dkirker> *sigh*
Jan 31 00:48:49 <kesne> Am I missing something?
Jan 31 00:49:36 <EricBlade1> I think that's over in Enyo's accounts lib
Jan 31 00:49:46 <dkirker> yeah, was just thinking that
Jan 31 00:49:59 <dkirker> you'll probably need to create it in the webos ports kinds
Jan 31 00:50:38 <kesne> Where is it?
Jan 31 00:51:21 <dkirker> https://github.com/enyojs/enyo-1.0/tree/master/framework/lib/accounts/source
Jan 31 00:52:02 <kesne> Also, the Calendar app uses activities to change the app icon to the current day.
Jan 31 00:52:12 <kesne> But how can I make said activities run when the device does.
Jan 31 00:54:39 <dkirker> ummmmmm good question
Jan 31 00:54:43 <dkirker> I am not too familiar with that
Jan 31 00:55:31 <EricBlade1> read the documentation (or the code) for activitymanager
Jan 31 01:19:45 <bhuey> folks
Jan 31 01:25:06 <kesne_> Will these account views be implemented into open webOS?
Jan 31 01:25:16 <kesne_> If not, it's going to be harder for most people to use this stuff.
Jan 31 01:25:21 <kesne_> If so, when and how
Jan 31 01:25:26 <kesne_> dkirker: That was mostly for you
Jan 31 01:26:01 <dkirker> they should be, at some point. I am not sure who will be responsible for that, yet...
Jan 31 01:26:07 <kesne> Hmm
Jan 31 01:26:13 <kesne> So in the mean time, I'm just doing it myself?
Jan 31 01:26:23 <dkirker> yup!
Jan 31 01:26:29 <kesne> :(
Jan 31 01:26:47 <kesne> You guys must really dislike me :P
Jan 31 01:26:54 <dkirker> hate you, actually
Jan 31 01:26:55 <dkirker> :P
Jan 31 01:27:41 <kesne> You do know I'm making you guys an application for free ;)
Jan 31 01:28:17 <ShiftyAxel> we all have to do DIY :P
Jan 31 01:32:42 <kesne> Well, this make file helps move things along
Jan 31 01:45:50 <ka6sox> kesne, you have to realize that currently the concept of  "accounts" is missing from Ow
Jan 31 01:46:04 <kesne> ka6sox: Completely?
Jan 31 01:46:15 <kesne> ka6sox: Like, if I make a call to the db, will the call fail?
Jan 31 01:46:15 <ka6sox> those bits were not really released and we currently don't have "web services" the way webOS did.
Jan 31 01:46:25 <ka6sox> is the db there?
Jan 31 01:46:29 <kesne> Yes
Jan 31 01:46:32 <ka6sox> I dunno (honestly)
Jan 31 01:46:44 <kesne> dkirker: Do you know?
Jan 31 01:46:46 <ka6sox> if the db is there...then it won't fail.
Jan 31 01:47:15 <kesne> Also, I get permission denied from the db when making requests to the accounts database. Do I need to be running in the com.palm namespace?
Jan 31 01:47:43 <ka6sox> Profiles (as we all knew and loved them) were tied to Web Services (when you "logged into" your account)
Jan 31 01:47:45 <kesne> If so, will this be changed to include org.webosports for your guys' shipping versions.
Jan 31 01:47:46 <dkirker> the db is there, you can read and write to that
Jan 31 01:47:56 <dkirker> what is missing is apparently some of the account glue
Jan 31 01:48:17 <kesne> That's okay though, I can fill in the gaps.
Jan 31 01:48:21 <dkirker> there appears to be glue to run sync services
Jan 31 01:48:28 <dkirker> there is an accounts app
Jan 31 01:48:33 <dkirker> there is NO PalmProfile account
Jan 31 01:48:39 <dkirker> and no synergy connectors
Jan 31 01:48:46 <dkirker> we'll need those
Jan 31 01:48:57 <dkirker> and apparently Enyo2 is missing the Enyo1 accounts lib
Jan 31 01:49:01 <dkirker> we'll need that, too
Jan 31 01:49:07 * ka6sox looks at dkirker
Jan 31 01:49:14 <dkirker> ?
Jan 31 01:49:47 <ka6sox> I wonder what VM those guys were on....
Jan 31 01:50:09 <dkirker> kesne: If you are installing your calendar app on a system where the original calendar app was on, you need to modify the db's permissions
Jan 31 01:50:26 <dkirker> since it is set to only allow com.palm.app.calendar
Jan 31 01:52:05 <kesne> dkirker: but I'm only calling to list the db stuff.
Jan 31 01:52:18 <dkirker> "db stuff"?
Jan 31 01:52:25 <kesne> Er
Jan 31 01:52:26 <kesne> Sorry
Jan 31 01:52:30 <kesne> That made sense in my head.
Jan 31 01:52:45 <kesne> I'm calling com.palm.db
Jan 31 01:52:58 <kesne> With the database name of com.palm.account:1
Jan 31 01:53:04 <kesne> And I get permission denied.
Jan 31 01:53:06 <kesne> Also
Jan 31 01:53:17 <dkirker> hmmm
Jan 31 01:53:21 <kesne> Until we get accounts all sorted out, I'm just going to create my own db8 database and dump everything in there.
Jan 31 01:53:22 <dkirker> that I am not sure about
Jan 31 01:53:30 <dkirker> probably safe for now.
Jan 31 02:00:28 <EricBlade1> i believe only accountManager can access com.palm.account
Jan 31 02:10:33 <PatrickC> they still use com.palm and not com.hp? :P
Jan 31 02:10:47 <ka6sox> PatrickC, its historical
Jan 31 02:10:57 <ka6sox> and changing would cause a LOT of problems.
Jan 31 02:11:11 <PatrickC> gotcha
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