**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 10 02:59:58 2013 Mar 10 17:35:20 so this is fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mgS3lpqlQKo Mar 10 17:38:02 yo dawg, i heard you like linux Mar 10 17:38:04 etc Mar 10 18:01:21 RagingMind: ahh freedreno Mar 10 18:01:42 http://bloggingthemonkey.blogspot.com/2013/03/fedora-18-gnome-shell-freedreno.html Mar 10 18:24:35 destinal, yeah I suppose that would have been the more useful link to have shared in the first place, heh Mar 10 19:15:03 whoa... blast from the past... RagingMind, ShiftyAxel, and destinal Mar 10 19:15:33 PatrickC: :) Mar 10 19:16:04 * PatrickC pets his new panda veer Mar 10 19:16:05 so nice Mar 10 19:16:43 so, when can i run OWOS on the Lumia 920? ;) Mar 10 19:16:45 * PatrickC ducks Mar 10 19:17:02 PatrickC: I really think we need open webos on the HP devices. not saying anything on behalf of anyone or saying it should be on webos-ports roadmap, but I think I'll be putting some cycles into it Mar 10 19:17:04 /kick PatrickC Mar 10 19:17:11 ka6sox: lol Mar 10 19:17:42 destinal: well, i use massive build servers for my android roms, so i can build very fast if you ever need someone to test from source :) Mar 10 19:17:53 destinal's opinion is NOT that of the webOS Ports Project and are his personal opinion. Mar 10 19:18:02 exactly ^ Mar 10 19:18:05 ka6sox: perfectly fine Mar 10 19:18:07 i'm all for it :) Mar 10 19:18:11 would love to help where i can Mar 10 19:18:51 most of my efforts are going to go towards webos-ports priorities but as always I'll have my .. eclectic bits :) Mar 10 19:19:06 crazy things that seem to beg to be hacked no Mar 10 19:19:06 hehe Mar 10 19:19:08 on Mar 10 19:19:33 i wish i knew enough to help with the coding aspect... i've been jumping around to several different things, always somehow finding my way back to android, sadly Mar 10 19:19:38 android and graphics Mar 10 19:20:20 PatrickC: so, android is a good start for this to be honest, but you have to challenge yourself. you know how to package things up for devices (the rom thing) but can you port android to a new device? that would be great experience for you Mar 10 19:20:49 destinal: i've ported ROMs to new devices (took ROMs that were never designed for the TP and made them run nicely) Mar 10 19:20:57 and i'm working on 4.2 for the touchpad, working from mostly scratch Mar 10 19:21:50 PatrickC: the key is always to push yourself beyond what you know you can do now Mar 10 19:22:47 destinal: yeah, found out that helps with graphics Mar 10 19:23:52 PatrickC: I wish I knew more about android internals honestly, it will be useful as we steal more and more bits from it for open webos, since vendors tend to only distribute binary blobs (even for the nexus devices) Mar 10 19:24:05 so I'll be studying that too Mar 10 19:24:20 if you need any help, let me know. i work with some of the bigger teams (besides CyanogenMod) Mar 10 19:24:36 i work with AOKP, i'm part of codefireX, part of some of the best kernel developers for things like the HTC devices, etc. Mar 10 19:25:52 PatrickC: you've seen the libhybris thing? Mar 10 19:26:00 that i haven't seen Mar 10 19:27:10 PatrickC: ka6sox gave a presentation on it at SCALE. it involves using binary android libraries by overriding symbols from bionic with libc ones Mar 10 19:27:11 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE5Mjk Mar 10 19:28:47 destinal, don't give away *all* our sekrets :P Mar 10 19:28:52 :) Mar 10 19:29:47 i promise i won't steal it ;) Mar 10 19:29:57 lol, stealing FOSS is quite a feat Mar 10 19:30:23 destinal: back to the android porting thing, i'm working to get CM10.1 working on the touchpad, i was the first to have it booting.. now to get it smooth :P Mar 10 19:31:35 PatrickC: so that part of the process intrigues me actually. what are the steps between "it boots and runs" and "smooth as silk"? admittedly this is a bit offtopic for this channel but maybe relevant too Mar 10 19:31:54 well, if it's OT i run an android channel heh Mar 10 19:32:12 but, basically, right now it's just purly running. there is no hardware acceleration, no project butter working, nothing really Mar 10 19:32:18 just pure qcom-display-legacy Mar 10 19:32:30 if you have an android touchpad handy, i have the ROM on my server Mar 10 19:32:57 PatrickC, android is OT here :) Mar 10 19:33:08 wait... Mar 10 19:33:16 I guess we are building android images! Mar 10 19:33:19 ka6sox: well, anyone who wants to talk it can join #teambuild :) Mar 10 19:33:20 d0h! Mar 10 19:33:32 that's a channel i founded, really toward all coding help Mar 10 19:34:46 ka6sox: heh well that's the thing right? we're not android but there are more and more common tools and pieces especially since the smartphone world tends to ship iphones and android devices these days Mar 10 19:36:21 ka6sox: and yeah I think shipping images is a good thing as well. just as long as we don't call them ROMs :P Mar 10 19:37:08 lol doctors :) Mar 10 19:37:30 PAs Mar 10 19:38:00 PatrickC: well doctors are installers, they aren't a snapshot of what's on a device but instructions to lay out filesystems and upload things to a device and so on Mar 10 19:38:12 ah Mar 10 19:38:13 yeah Mar 10 19:38:32 PatrickC: no reason we can't "just flash an image" instead Mar 10 19:38:41 same way android distros do Mar 10 19:38:45 just like android does, a zip file Mar 10 19:38:45 gotcha Mar 10 19:40:23 what's a general build time for OWOS? Mar 10 19:42:25 hmm, I haven't been watching the autobuilders, build from scratch takes a long time Mar 10 19:43:11 well, how long.. i know android takes around 2-3 hours on some computers, and on my servers takes 10 minutes Mar 10 19:52:20 4-5hrs on good equipment Mar 10 19:55:39 ka6sox: what about with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5630 @ 2.13GHz with 48GB RAM? Mar 10 19:56:04 4-5hrs Mar 10 19:56:23 using tmpfs Mar 10 19:56:27 wow, must be a lot more in-depth then android. android from a clean build is between 10-15 minutes Mar 10 19:56:32 do you guys have ccache? Mar 10 19:56:35 err.. use Mar 10 19:57:29 cause ccache makes our builds a ton fast Mar 10 19:57:40 PatrickC, from scratch its 4-5hrs..with shared state it takes something like 20 minutes Mar 10 19:57:57 gotcha Mar 10 20:00:09 ccache = sstate in this case i believe Mar 10 20:03:59 never heard of sstate :P but probably Mar 10 20:05:45 similar Mar 10 20:32:02 'shared state' Mar 10 20:39:02 did I not say "shared state"? /me is forgetting. Mar 10 20:43:16 looks like you did Mar 10 20:58:38 yeah looks like sstate is an oe specific thing Mar 10 21:00:02 where ccache is a bit more broadly used Mar 10 21:08:25 ccache isn't arch specific Mar 11 00:09:12 ShiftyAxel: ping Mar 11 00:12:51 HaDAk: pong Mar 11 00:13:06 you did the soft gesture area, yes? Mar 11 00:13:18 yes indeed Mar 11 00:13:37 would you take it personally if i mocked up something that i think would look nicer? Mar 11 00:14:10 not that it doesn't look nice already. Mar 11 00:14:28 you can do all the mockups you like, but until you issue a pull request it's not likely to change Mar 11 00:14:36 I have many things to work on Mar 11 00:14:55 fair enough. Mar 11 00:15:12 it's a series of pngs, yes? Mar 11 00:15:51 it's two .pngs for the left/right of the lightbar, everything else is done in software Mar 11 00:16:10 I'll probably switch it over to one .png for the lightbar eventually, since they're identical Mar 11 00:16:22 except for h-mirroring Mar 11 00:16:49 what repo can i find it in? Mar 11 00:17:04 luna-sysmgr, under the images folder Mar 11 00:17:06 we have a finite amount of Bandwidth and a LOT to do for Beta...so likely that NOTHING that is working will get a facelift before that. Mar 11 00:17:14 inside corenavi I believe Mar 11 00:17:34 ka6sox: that's why i'm asking if it's alright if *i* do the work ;) Mar 11 00:18:01 a mockup is not work...its a mockup...actual code that gets PR'd is work :D Mar 11 00:18:23 if it's just a couple PNGs, then a mockup Is the work Mar 11 00:18:39 no coding functionality need be changed Mar 11 00:20:47 HaDAk: make sure to work off of the webOS-ports/master branch Mar 11 00:21:00 roger. Mar 11 00:21:06 I believe normal master doesn't have the scaled up graphics that are needed for my DPI code Mar 11 00:22:39 i found the images in images-unused/corenavi Mar 11 00:24:32 HaDAk: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-sysmgr/tree/webOS-ports/master/images/corenavi Mar 11 00:24:45 I believe bright left and bright right are the ones we use Mar 11 00:25:46 oh, it's tree/webOS-ports/master not tree/master Mar 11 00:26:33 okie. i should be good from here. Mar 11 00:26:38 thanks ShiftyAxel Mar 11 01:03:59 i like this better. Mar 11 01:04:17 http://cl.ly/image/1t3O2z1Z3O33 Mar 11 01:04:22 http://cl.ly/image/2q0a3x113K2e Mar 11 01:05:04 but i think your code might move the image a pixel or so? i measured, and my images are correct Mar 11 01:05:20 plus, i did one image, then flipped it, so it should match. Mar 11 01:06:15 scratch that. Mar 11 01:06:23 i rotated 180, not flipped. flipping looks good. Mar 11 01:06:37 this is the correct "right" image. http://cl.ly/image/3b0B1p2E3O1D Mar 11 01:07:01 * HaDAk shrugs Mar 11 01:07:04 let me know what you think. Mar 11 01:08:11 btw, is wifi completely missing from the latest build? i don't even see it in the menu. Mar 11 01:09:30 afaik wifi isn't working on the latest Mar 11 01:09:59 ok Mar 11 01:10:00 my guess would be that it's something to do with the new GSM stuff Mar 11 01:10:13 i'm trying on the vzw gnez Mar 11 01:10:15 gnex Mar 11 01:10:31 shit. what was the command to screenshot? Mar 11 01:10:37 power + tap gesture area Mar 11 01:10:47 oh, i meant from the cli Mar 11 01:10:50 but i guess that works Mar 11 01:11:07 and in that case you're pretty much hosed where connectivity is concerned, unless you can rig up a network connection via RNDIS, but we've never done that Mar 11 01:11:37 also, no, power + gesture didn't work Mar 11 01:11:41 just brought up the drawer Mar 11 01:13:20 hm, wonder what's up with that Mar 11 01:13:34 do you recall the ssh method? Mar 11 01:13:38 in that case it's luna-send somethingorother, I normally google 'luna-send screenshot' due to forgetfulness Mar 11 01:13:47 yah Mar 11 01:13:50 i should really document that Mar 11 01:14:09 luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.systemmanager/takeScreenShot '{"file":"sshot.png"}' Mar 11 01:15:05 here's a screenshot of my proposed modification Mar 11 01:15:05 http://cl.ly/image/0h2C2X0Y2S2J Mar 11 01:16:34 no code change required. Mar 11 02:59:50 hi all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 11 02:59:58 2013