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Apr 13 19:26:06 <crypticmofo> guys whats up
Apr 13 19:26:10 <crypticmofo> every chan is dead
Apr 13 19:34:20 <HaDAk> yeah
Apr 13 19:34:25 <HaDAk> that's usually how it rolls lately
Apr 13 19:34:35 <HaDAk> i idle 40 hours/wk at least.
Apr 13 19:45:02 <KyleMaas1> Has anyone gotten LunaSysMgr working on the Palm Pre 2 yet?
Apr 13 19:57:32 <crypticmofo> any great apps for me
Apr 13 19:57:48 <crypticmofo> pre 2 verizon i have a lot of patches and some apps but not good good apps that should be there
Apr 13 19:57:58 <crypticmofo> app catalog sucks so i need some names out there
Apr 13 20:10:51 <HaDAk> KyleMaas1: lunasysmgr has always worked on the pre2 O_o
Apr 13 20:11:09 <HaDAk> crypticmofo: what kind of apps are you *looking* for?
Apr 13 20:12:16 <KyleMaas1> HaDAk: Custom-compiled LunaSysMgr.  Either from OWO or WebOS Ports.  It's been a while since I've really been active in webOS development, and I think it's about time I got started again.
Apr 13 20:13:00 <HaDAk> KyleMaas1: we (they? i only did testing on it) managed to get it working, technically, but there was too much broken for it to be usable
Apr 13 20:13:20 <KyleMaas1> That's about the state it was in last time I checked.  Thanks!
Apr 13 20:13:46 <HaDAk> i believe it was abandoned as a project, because of the amount of work that would need to go into it and how few people it would benefit
Apr 13 20:14:00 <crypticmofo> HaDAk dosen't matter .. i used to be able to go to app catalog and search by whatever food / lifetyle / news
Apr 13 20:14:02 <crypticmofo> it just says home
Apr 13 20:14:45 <HaDAk> that's weird crypticmofo. granted, i haven't picked up my TP in a while, but i know there've been a lot of shakeups lately. i'd try confirming with other people that their app catalog still works, although i imagine it should.
Apr 13 20:14:57 <HaDAk> personally, i spent more time in preware than the app catalog.
Apr 13 20:15:01 <crypticmofo> HaDAk anyway to reload it ?
Apr 13 20:15:03 <crypticmofo> hm
Apr 13 20:19:57 <crypticmofo> oo http://appcat.tk/
Apr 13 20:20:36 <crypticmofo> site:developer.palm.com/appredirect <app here>
Apr 13 21:09:02 <EricBlade> KyleMaas1: my thoughts are that the way native apps are handled may have changed pretty significantly between webOS 2 and 3, as LunaCE sysmgr basically gets to a big fat failing point on the libs that are involved in native apps in webOS 3.
Apr 13 21:09:59 <EricBlade> however, I was tackling it from a completely different standpoint then than I would now, now that I'm much more familiar with how it works, I'd probably try to tackle it from a source standpoint, rather than just copying dozens of megabytes of compiled libraries from 3.0.5
Apr 13 21:11:22 <HaDAk> KyleMaas1: as it happens, EricBlade is a god.
Apr 13 21:11:33 <EricBlade> I wouldn't say that that's true, but I'll take the compliment.
Apr 13 21:11:34 <HaDAk> or, at least, a minor deity
Apr 13 21:11:56 <HaDAk> EricBlade: i'm bored out of my fucking skull at work today
Apr 13 21:12:48 <KyleMaas1> EricBlade: Was previous progress documented in any sort of meaningful way where I could pick it back up again?
Apr 13 21:13:20 <EricBlade> KyleMaas1: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/LunaCE_on_Pre3
Apr 13 21:14:10 <KyleMaas1> EricBlade: That appears to only contain info for the Pre3.
Apr 13 21:14:23 <HaDAk> pre3 and pre2 run the same version of webos
Apr 13 21:14:46 <KyleMaas1> Ah, okay.  Never had a Pre3.
Apr 13 21:14:47 <EricBlade> I did successfully do this on a Pre2 and a Pre+
Apr 13 21:14:58 <HaDAk> i was able to test on my pre2, as well, iirc
Apr 13 21:15:53 <KyleMaas1> Did anyone ever get a full from-source image of OWO to work on the Pre or Pre2 (not just replacing LSM)?
Apr 13 21:16:06 <HaDAk> OWO *is* LSM
Apr 13 21:16:09 <EricBlade> i don't think anyone has attempted to do that
Apr 13 21:16:18 <HaDAk> i'm sorry
Apr 13 21:16:20 <HaDAk> i'm wrong on that
Apr 13 21:16:26 <KyleMaas1> HaDAk: Thinking using the OE recipies.
Apr 13 21:16:43 <HaDAk> it would be awesome to have owo on my pre2.
Apr 13 21:16:43 <KyleMaas1> Not particularly familiar with what all's been done on the OE compatibility front.
Apr 13 21:16:48 <HaDAk> OE?
Apr 13 21:16:53 <KyleMaas1> OpenEmbedded
Apr 13 21:16:56 <HaDAk> oh
Apr 13 21:17:10 <HaDAk> i think the biggest hurdle would be getting kernel modules for hardware.
Apr 13 21:17:29 <HaDAk> if you could get linux 3.5 to boot on the hardware, the rest is just fixing the ui, probably
Apr 13 21:17:40 <HaDAk> and, of course, making the apps work
Apr 13 21:17:47 <HaDAk> there's no phone/mms/sms service for owo
Apr 13 21:18:15 <KyleMaas1> Sure.  And IIRC there's also no phone app yet.  Is that still correct?
Apr 13 21:18:22 <HaDAk> yep.
Apr 13 21:18:29 <KyleMaas1> HaDAk: Oh, you mentioned phone.  Sorry.  Misread.
Apr 13 21:18:31 <HaDAk> phone app without a phone service is useless
Apr 13 21:18:51 <EricBlade> My thoughts on that are, that if you could get the kernel to build (using the Palm kernel sources that we all already use), and keep any binary driver packages that are required (such as from a doctor), it could probably be done
Apr 13 21:19:16 <HaDAk> problem is, you can't use binary kernel module packages for linux 2.x in linux 3.5
Apr 13 21:19:20 <HaDAk> they just aren't compatible
Apr 13 21:19:27 <HaDAk> that's the whole reason why we don't have owo on the touchpad.
Apr 13 21:19:54 <EricBlade> Just because the current system uses linux 3.x doesn't mean it can't work on 2.x
Apr 13 21:20:01 <HaDAk> if we had a kernel hacker that could reverse engineer the modules, we'd be a lot better off :P
Apr 13 21:20:33 <HaDAk> well, except that we don't know the differences between what was compiled into the kernel in 2.x, 3.x, and owo
Apr 13 21:20:47 <EricBlade> uberkernel?
Apr 13 21:20:49 <HaDAk> if there weren't differences, they wouldn't have switched.
Apr 13 21:20:55 <HaDAk> that's a possibility
Apr 13 21:21:39 <HaDAk> EricBlade: i have aaron on the phone
Apr 13 21:21:54 <HaDAk> he's having troubles getting the pre3 to sign into his account
Apr 13 21:25:08 <EricBlade> I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to make a bitbake recipe to build Uberkernel (or the stock Palm kernel) for a device, and one to dig out binaries from a doctor
Apr 13 21:25:12 <EricBlade> much like the super scripts do
Apr 13 21:48:10 <crypticmofo> good twitter app anyone ?
Apr 13 21:49:12 <HaDAk> project macaw
Apr 13 21:58:30 <bhuey> folks
Apr 13 21:59:50 <HaDAk> yo.
Apr 13 22:03:50 <crypticmofo> wow HaDAk that proeject macaw is fast
Apr 13 22:04:01 <HaDAk> :)
Apr 13 22:06:27 <crypticmofo> wow pre 2 overclocked to 1.2ghz is nice
Apr 13 22:06:38 <HaDAk> pre3 at 1.4ghz stock is nice :P
Apr 13 22:06:43 <crypticmofo> oo
Apr 13 22:07:30 <crypticmofo> i would have got a pre 3 but the time my wife was talking and the time i placed an order for a pre phone thre where no pre 3's
Apr 13 22:07:38 <crypticmofo> also i got the pre 2 for $87 bucks
Apr 13 22:07:40 <crypticmofo> goodal i think
Apr 13 22:07:43 <crypticmofo> good*
Apr 13 22:08:06 <crypticmofo> i have the whole verizon warranty .. if they don't have any in stock if something goes wrong im assuming they will just upgrade me right ?
Apr 13 22:10:19 <HaDAk> no idea.
Apr 13 22:10:41 <crypticmofo> there a way to find the size of the instaled wallpapers of my pre
Apr 13 22:10:56 <crypticmofo> i want to download some pics of the web and get a new wallpaper
Apr 13 22:11:29 <HaDAk> er. google the screen size?
Apr 13 22:11:50 <crypticmofo> so just google the size of the screen and get whatever wallpaper ?
Apr 13 22:12:20 <HaDAk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pre_2
Apr 13 22:12:26 <HaDAk> Display 	320 × 480 px, 3.1 in (79 mm) HVGA, 24-bit color LCD
Apr 13 22:13:01 <HaDAk> imagehttps://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=1008&q=wallpaper&oq=wallpaper&gs_l=img.3..0l10.3216.4399.0.4494.9.6.0.3.3.0.128.631.2j4.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.9.img.6-pbMo7d1o4#tbm=isch&sa=1&q=wallpaper+320x480&oq=wallpaper+320x480&gs_l=img.3..0l6j0i5l4.16994.20566.0.20722.8.8.0.0.0.0.136.836.3j5.8.0...0.0...1c.1.9.img.UtCxUAW1UTs&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45175338,d.dmQ&fp=8887940fa30791b9&biw=1920&bih
Apr 13 22:13:01 <HaDAk> =1008
Apr 13 22:13:04 <crypticmofo> wow
Apr 13 22:13:07 <crypticmofo> the whole link
Apr 13 22:13:26 <crypticmofo> thanks halfhalo
Apr 13 22:13:29 <HaDAk> http://is.gd/1aLANv
Apr 13 22:13:32 <crypticmofo> err HaDAk damin tab completion
Apr 13 22:13:36 <HaDAk> ;)
Apr 13 22:43:55 <crypticmofo> i really want a touchstone
Apr 13 22:52:51 * HaDAk has one
Apr 13 22:55:34 <HaDAk> welcome, arwelty
Apr 13 22:55:43 <HaDAk> EricBlade: will you talk with arwelty?
Apr 14 00:45:09 <crypticmofo> will pre2 go higher then 2.1 ever ?
Apr 14 00:45:24 <EricBlade> sure, install 2.2.4
Apr 14 00:45:36 <crypticmofo> umm
Apr 14 00:45:41 <crypticmofo> won't that mess something up ?
Apr 14 00:45:51 <EricBlade> well, it'll undo all the changes you've made
Apr 14 00:45:53 <ka6sox> I love my Pre2
Apr 14 00:46:03 <crypticmofo> ka6sox you only use it as a tablet right ?
Apr 14 00:46:08 <crypticmofo> i have to use my pre2 as a daily driver
Apr 14 00:46:10 <crypticmofo> no other phone
Apr 14 00:46:26 <ka6sox> crypticmofo, yup
Apr 14 00:46:34 <EricBlade> i kind of love this verizon pre3 i was just playing with a little bit ago, i wonder if i can use it as my primary, with only gsm activation
Apr 14 00:46:57 <EricBlade> it feels heftier and rubberier than my gsm pre3
Apr 14 00:46:59 <ka6sox> locked to Vodaphone
Apr 14 00:47:08 <crypticmofo> how would i get 2.2.4 when the verzion on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_Versions only goes up to 2.1.0 ?
Apr 14 00:47:23 <crypticmofo> s/verzion/version/
Apr 14 00:47:51 <EricBlade> i'm pretty sure there's a meta-doctor, but that's a little more complex to do
Apr 14 00:48:02 <crypticmofo> yea but im looking at something
Apr 14 00:48:08 <crypticmofo> http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/webOS-Still-Lives-System-Update-HP-webOS-2-2-4-for-Pre-2-Available-for-Download-2.jpg/
Apr 14 00:48:14 <crypticmofo> looks like pre 2 did have 2.2.4 before
Apr 14 00:56:22 <crypticmofo> how would i doctor my webosdoctor to get 2.2.4 ?
Apr 14 01:15:51 <crypticmofo> EricBlade i think i found it http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#Sprint_Franken_Verizon_Pre_2
Apr 14 01:16:29 <EricBlade> that's for the ones that are converted from sprint .. hmm
Apr 14 01:16:36 <crypticmofo> oh
Apr 14 01:17:32 <EricBlade> crypticmofo: http://forums.webosnation.com/palm-pre-2/308732-2-2-4-vzw-pre-2-a-7.html
Apr 14 01:18:15 <crypticmofo> is there a benifit of 2.2.4 ?
Apr 14 01:18:49 <EricBlade> the biggest thing i can think of is messaging to touchpad support, but there's probably a bunch of smaller things
Apr 14 01:19:20 <crypticmofo> coo thanks
Apr 14 01:19:24 <crypticmofo> see you guys monday
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