**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 27 02:59:58 2013 Apr 27 19:19:06 is webos 3 only for touchpad ? Apr 27 19:30:17 or are there works of porting to pre2's or what not Apr 27 20:07:42 webos 3 is only for touchpad. Apr 27 20:07:58 it can't be ported, because it's not open source Apr 27 20:08:21 webos community edition was a cut of lunasysmgr that was open source Apr 27 20:08:31 we tried to get it working on the pre2/3, but to no avail Apr 27 20:12:21 dam Apr 27 20:14:56 http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/LunaCE_on_Pre3 Apr 27 20:17:40 hello people Apr 27 20:17:44 hey eric Apr 27 20:17:52 sorry I don't get much time to hang out here anymore Apr 27 20:18:17 you're doing Great Things Apr 27 20:18:20 so you're forgiven Apr 27 20:18:54 looking for a new place to live and some new work responsibilities.. as well as increased travel time :| Apr 27 20:19:21 hadak find me a three bedroom for rent house in canton schools? heh Apr 27 20:19:41 EricBlade-TP: give me a GSM Pre3 :P Apr 27 20:20:08 we had a line on a really good one but the owner picked a family without a dog over us just because of that :-( Apr 27 20:21:02 wow Apr 27 20:21:11 pre3's are really that hard to find ? Apr 27 20:21:21 for free? yeah. Apr 27 20:21:31 gotta pinch my pennies for some important things Apr 27 20:22:01 EricBlade-TP: http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_rent/Canton-MI/10700_rid/3-_beds/days_sort/42.362413,-83.370609,42.252473,-83.603554_rect/12_zm/ Apr 27 20:23:00 yeah that top one on Brookline is the one we wanted Apr 27 20:23:19 of course…it's the cheapest Apr 27 20:23:29 what about the one on mott? Apr 27 20:23:39 or cassia court? Apr 27 20:23:55 well, cassia is an apartment Apr 27 20:24:01 the others are more than what were comfortable with spending right now Apr 27 20:24:13 http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/50990-Mott-Rd-Canton-MI-48188/88778014_zpid/ Apr 27 20:24:18 that one is 1400 Apr 27 20:24:22 except for the canton crossings ones which is the place were at now that we can't stand Apr 27 20:24:24 the one you were looking at was <100 less Apr 27 20:24:42 gotta stay in the school district, eh? Apr 27 20:24:57 yeah were at 1000 right now we don't really want to go up that much Apr 27 20:25:06 gotcha. Apr 27 20:25:48 a 1.2million sq foot lot? Apr 27 20:26:57 sounds legit Apr 27 20:28:52 yeah its huge lot it looks like Apr 27 20:29:02 angel says Mich ave is too far south Apr 27 20:29:12 she's so picky, I'd just go to detroit Apr 27 20:29:24 angel needs to stop being so picky. Apr 27 20:29:38 but nooo the kids can't change schools they're all in high school Apr 27 20:29:41 bah Apr 27 20:29:47 god, you're old. Apr 27 20:29:48 anyway. Apr 27 20:30:02 what grade(s)? Apr 27 20:32:00 fresh and junior I think this year Apr 27 20:32:37 fuck it. sell them on ebay. move to detroit. Apr 27 20:32:45 come to the roller derby match in novi tonight. :-) Apr 27 20:32:53 actually! Apr 27 20:32:56 i have a date :D Apr 27 20:33:10 words i haven't uttered in like..3 years >.> Apr 27 20:33:15 but that's one girl, here there's like 50 Apr 27 20:33:24 bring her to the roller derby Apr 27 20:33:41 she may be one girl, but she may be *the* one girl. Apr 27 20:33:58 i'm totally for the roller derby. i'd love to go…just not this time. Apr 27 20:34:02 let me know next time, for sure Apr 27 20:34:03 there's also a fark.com party tonight in Ann arbor o want to go to Apr 27 20:34:07 *i Apr 27 20:34:13 that would be fun too Apr 27 20:34:18 alas, same affliction Apr 27 20:34:34 but honestly, EricBlade-TP …can you blame me? http://cl.ly/image/0h3n2o302D05 Apr 27 20:35:43 beat it up Apr 27 20:35:47 thats all i can say Apr 27 20:35:55 beat it up / in guts Apr 27 20:36:12 ideally, that's what i'd like to avoid Apr 27 20:36:41 HaDAk you don't like guts ? Apr 27 20:36:53 don't post pictures of your date that's creepy Apr 27 20:37:01 but nice looking lady Apr 27 20:37:08 EricBlade-TP: she posted a picture of herself. i just linked to it :P Apr 27 20:37:24 but yes say you like to be in guts HaDAk Apr 27 20:40:32 saying hay guys check out this babe I'm going on a date with is creepy though Apr 27 20:40:34 to me Apr 27 20:40:44 but people call me creepy all the time :-( Apr 27 20:40:45 EricBlade-TP: I'm with you. Apr 27 20:40:52 * HaDAk throws his hands up Apr 27 20:40:53 guts are good Apr 27 20:40:59 But it's okay HaDAk, you're deprived. Apr 27 20:41:10 i just can't fucking win T.T Apr 27 20:41:54 lol Apr 27 20:42:05 assholes :| Apr 27 20:42:16 what are you going to do for your date Apr 27 20:42:22 We mean it with love. Apr 27 20:42:35 we're going to Knight's Apr 27 20:42:38 my lady took me to the roller derby Apr 27 20:42:54 she's trying to get on the Ann arbor team Apr 27 20:43:22 knights? I feel like I should know what that is Apr 27 20:43:41 it's a steak house Apr 27 20:43:51 http://www.knightsrestaurants.com/_index.php Apr 27 20:44:02 ohhh nice Apr 27 20:44:47 I miss Ann Arbor Apr 27 20:45:22 angel thinks places like longhorn and cutback are good steak houses Apr 27 20:46:00 i've never been to knight's. Apr 27 20:46:05 it was suggested by a coworker Apr 27 20:46:22 at least my date's attitude about it is admirable. if it's good, we enjoy it. if not, we laugh about it later. Apr 27 20:46:27 Ruth's Chris is where it's at. Apr 27 20:46:54 nice Apr 27 20:48:06 so.. what's teckiegirl going to announce? Apr 27 20:48:43 who is that? Apr 27 20:50:06 Twitter webOS fangirl Apr 27 20:50:15 she wrote for won briefly Apr 27 20:50:39 I think she was one of the dev advocates in the late palm or early HP times Apr 27 20:51:04 oh Apr 27 20:51:25 hmm. there's more metal in some of these girls faces than there is on my ipod Apr 27 20:53:34 I need to write something that will plugin to the webOS build system to notify me of a builds completion status via google voice. Apr 27 20:56:37 * HaDAk grumbles Apr 27 20:56:44 i have to convert my sqlite2 database to postgres Apr 27 20:56:46 this shit sucks. Apr 27 20:56:50 2.1.0 on pre2 seems faster then the 2.2.4 Apr 27 20:57:47 i feel like going back to 1.4.5 Apr 27 21:00:52 2.2.4 on pre+ seemed faster to me than 1.4.5, except for a big delay when launching most things Apr 27 21:01:31 I didn't use the pre2 for very long, but my hr loves it compared to the original pre she had Apr 27 21:02:19 oh lord, the Detroit team just hit the rink. this is going to be carnage Apr 27 21:03:31 so what should i do Apr 27 21:03:37 can the pre2 even go to 1.4.5 Apr 27 21:04:09 port 3.0.5 :-) Apr 27 21:04:15 oo Apr 27 21:04:19 i would do that if i new how Apr 27 21:06:11 I'd stay on 224 Apr 27 21:06:19 but 212 is ok too Apr 27 21:06:28 or 210 Apr 27 21:06:34 there wasn't a 212 Apr 27 21:14:41 yea Apr 27 21:14:45 never heard of 2.1.2 Apr 27 21:26:47 battery blows chunks Apr 27 21:27:06 im at 100% right if i take it off 5 mins later im at 90% Apr 27 21:27:07 lol Apr 27 21:27:20 im thinking of getting a new battery at webosnation Apr 27 21:28:39 hey EricBlade-TP… you interested in making a few bucks? Apr 27 21:29:10 hah. i'll call him. Apr 27 21:29:23 anyone wanna send me out a touchstone with the back and whatever ? Apr 27 21:35:28 he says he went outside, and "the resolution is amazing!" Apr 27 21:35:38 i have my doubts. it's probably not quite 4k yet. Apr 27 21:40:29 hmm Apr 27 21:40:32 lg with webos 4 ? Apr 27 21:41:47 hmm? Apr 27 21:42:14 he says he went outside, and "the resolution is amazing!" Apr 27 21:42:17 lol Apr 27 21:42:20 starting stuff Apr 27 21:43:36 once all the companies realised they were in a position where they could sell TVs based on specs other than just size, the tv industry now turns into an arms race Apr 27 21:43:43 4k won't be the end, mark my words Apr 27 21:43:54 o_O Apr 27 21:43:58 nah. and why should it be? Apr 27 21:44:22 buying webos for there tv .. does somebody think we are dumb .. of course lg is going to try to do something Apr 27 21:44:24 we'll see "retina" (i hate that stupid term…) tvs before too long Apr 27 21:44:58 it does however turn into a situation that should see our CPU processing power and bandwidth requirements go thru the roof after 4k though Apr 27 21:45:10 our = consumers Apr 27 21:45:49 not just that…but my 18TB htpc isn't going to be NEARLY enough Apr 27 21:46:24 who is this Derke Kessler guy .. i swear everything i put something with palm in google his name is there or his picture lol Apr 27 21:46:27 (his mug) Apr 27 21:46:37 well LG simultaneously announced the purchase of webOS and the expectation to sell webOS TVs in 80 different countries. I can't imagine why people think they're pursing around. Apr 27 21:46:46 crypticmofo: he's the editor of webosnation Apr 27 21:46:58 so we got somebody on the inside Apr 27 21:47:03 putzing* around Apr 27 21:47:04 He's a cool guy. Apr 27 21:47:31 crypticmofo: of course we do. Apr 27 21:47:34 I like Derek even though he does get a little overzealous sometimes .. Apr 27 21:48:02 EricBlade-TP_: i'm going to find out where derek lives and raid his fucking house for that windsornot and touchstone2 Apr 27 21:48:14 lol Apr 27 21:48:21 lol Apr 27 21:48:35 i nearly cried when i saw he had one Apr 27 21:48:41 big, burly man tears Apr 27 21:48:57 I saw a nexus 4 sitting on a touchstone 2 some time ago. Apr 27 21:49:14 everytime i look at this native facebook on 2.1.0 some baby in the world is crying Apr 27 21:49:36 cryptic just use x.facebook.com Apr 27 21:49:43 hmm Apr 27 21:50:20 oh mobile version Apr 27 21:50:24 the nexus 4's NFC sticks to a touchstone magnet like it was built to do it, even though it wasn't and it has zero effect Apr 27 21:50:59 i kinda like that nexus 4 touchstone mod that whatshisface did Apr 27 21:51:06 at least I think its the NFC stuff that causes the magnets to stick to it Apr 27 21:51:15 i prefer the touchstone to the nexus wireless charger Apr 27 21:51:51 oo nice Apr 27 21:52:35 roller derby would be much more interesting to watch if you could get an angle above the playing surface Apr 27 21:54:36 EricBlade-TP_: what are the odds that somebody could whip up a nix module for a pqlabs touch panel if the kernel module source is available? Apr 27 21:55:34 hadak probably pretty good I'd imagine Apr 27 21:55:42 is there a way to disable the touch pointer on our devices ie when you click something you see the little touch Apr 27 21:55:50 i swear if you don't touch the right thing your sol Apr 27 21:55:53 what about getting owo working on the odroid-x2? kernel source is available Apr 27 21:56:03 crypticmofo: yes Apr 27 21:56:17 preware or a pref ? Apr 27 21:56:21 cryptic there's a setting in /etc/palm/Luna.conf for that Apr 27 21:56:45 there's also a preware patch Apr 27 21:57:17 hadak: I'm not sure how nyx modules work, but does it output anything reasonably useful to a /dev/event device? Apr 27 21:57:37 EricBlade-TP__: shit if i know. you should come look at it :| Apr 27 21:59:55 someone should write a qt5 qpa to talk to nyx Apr 27 22:01:45 i'll pretend i know what that is. Apr 27 22:02:39 somewhere buried in the qt4-webOS code is a module called a qpa, or qt platform interface Apr 27 22:02:49 adapter or whatever Apr 27 22:04:18 it is used to connect qt to the input devices, mice, keyboards, touchpanels, etc, and the output (opengl?) Apr 27 22:04:33 uh. ok. Apr 27 22:04:35 * HaDAk shrugs Apr 27 22:05:22 in webOS, nyx wants to be the primary interface to the hardware, though Apr 27 22:05:40 i don't foresee myself writing any code for that any time soon Apr 27 22:06:02 i would, however, love to see owo running on the odroid-x2, with the pqlabs touch panel working. Apr 27 22:06:13 i'd get to work immediately in crafting an xbmc controller for that. Apr 27 22:06:19 so, theoretically, all hardware should have a nyx module for it, and then there only needs to be a single qpa that talks to nyx Apr 27 22:07:33 the nice advantage to that, is that you can then take any mix of supported hardware, plug in your nyx modules and bam it works Apr 27 22:07:41 without having to write any further interface code Apr 27 22:08:16 god, that'd be nice. Apr 27 22:08:48 well, it requires nyx modules, and a qpa that talks to nyx Apr 27 22:08:50 it would be even nicer with generic nyx which reads MACHINE specific config files and configures its modules accordingly Apr 27 22:09:26 EricBlade-TP where in luna.conf am i looking Apr 27 22:09:29 touch something right ? Apr 27 22:10:11 crypticmofo: you could just search preware for the patch, that's easier :-) I don't remember the key Apr 27 22:10:14 in FSO we even had configs for all MACHINEs included in generic package and FSO first parsed /proc/cpuinfo to read which config should be used Apr 27 22:10:23 well, EricBlade-TP… get it working with the odroid-x2 and pqlabs and i'll give you $$ and a share of the profit :P Apr 27 22:12:36 EricBlade-TP: you can even borrow the board if it helps Apr 27 22:13:32 I don't know anywhere near enough about how to configure a new build system to be able to setup a new port target Apr 27 22:14:02 i bet you know somebody that does Apr 27 22:14:25 * EricBlade-TP points at JaMa Apr 27 22:14:55 he knows damn everything about bitbake and that stuff Apr 27 22:14:59 JaMa: want to make $100? :) Apr 27 22:15:38 I read his changelogs and I frequently am not certain if its brilliant or insane. Apr 27 22:15:53 but the line there is so close, its probably both Apr 27 22:17:17 sweet…i've always wanted one of these on my tv: http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/25/insert-coin-lightpack/ Apr 27 22:17:34 i already have a htpc…i'd like to hook it up so let the colors bleed off :D Apr 27 22:18:24 HaDAk: I know how to setup a new port target, but I don't want to know how to make qpa talking to nyx :) Apr 27 22:18:47 anyone use the muisc player remix .. i swear it hates me .. it hates 2.1.0 and 2.2.4 Apr 27 22:18:53 JaMa: i don't care about qpa. i just want owo working on my odroid-x2 with my pqlabs :| Apr 27 22:19:09 cryptic on the rare occasions I ply music on my touchpad I use it or XO Apr 27 22:19:18 XO ? Apr 27 22:19:33 the subsonic music server client Apr 27 22:19:38 HaDAk: I see, but creating new port in OE is only 1/3 of the work needed to support new device Apr 27 22:19:58 JaMa: can you do it for $100? :P Apr 27 22:20:41 sorry, no free time Apr 27 22:21:22 :( Apr 27 22:25:41 http://www.extremetech.com/computing/154258-turning-a-standard-lcd-monitor-into-touchscreen-with-a-5-wall-mounted-sensor Apr 27 22:27:30 I wonder what zenith is doing. Apr 27 22:28:02 WatchPenEvents=false ? Apr 27 22:28:39 no no Apr 27 22:28:48 something about a target? I think? Apr 27 22:28:49 i think its a touchbox Apr 27 22:28:51 yea Apr 27 22:28:58 im looking on the website one sec i just googled it Apr 27 22:29:41 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Debug_Switches Apr 27 22:29:44 oh, zenith is owned by lg Apr 27 22:29:55 EricBlade-TP the website i posted Apr 27 22:30:37 no its not a debug switch. its in the default Luna conf Apr 27 22:30:56 oh Apr 27 22:32:50 EricBlade-TP___: are you sure? i'm looking at luna.conf and i dont' see anything related. https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr/blob/master/conf/luna.conf Apr 27 22:32:59 me also Apr 27 22:33:11 i thought the method was to remove the tap ripple image. Apr 27 22:33:14 HaDAk for giggles i actually pulled /etc/palm/luna.conf and don't see anything Apr 27 22:34:57 hadak hmm? Apr 27 22:35:39 EricBlade-TP___: are you sure? i'm looking at luna.conf and i dont' see anything related. https://github.com/openwebos/luna-sysmgr/blob/master/conf/luna.conf Apr 27 22:36:37 oh its in luna-platform.conf on device Apr 27 22:36:40 showreticle Apr 27 22:37:03 there ya go Apr 27 22:37:19 oh dear, there are at least two women in this arena that I have dated in the past. Apr 27 22:37:55 EricBlade-TP___: vikings? Apr 27 22:38:12 vikings?? no, americans Apr 27 22:38:23 EricBlade-TP: actually, if you play your cards right, you might be able to get BOTH of them in the sack with angel :D Apr 27 22:38:38 EricBlade-TP ok Apr 27 22:38:39 i can offer pointers on that. Apr 27 22:39:05 ok, were WAY off topic here Apr 27 22:39:13 EricBlade-TP can i get the whole path ? Apr 27 22:39:20 :-) Apr 27 22:39:29 EricBlade-TP: XD Apr 27 22:39:34 EricBlade-TP: sorry. anyway. Apr 27 22:39:38 crypticmofo: /etc/palm/luna-platform.conf Apr 27 22:40:50 EricBlade-TP you have a pre3 ? Apr 27 22:41:30 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/LunaCE_on_Pre3 Apr 27 22:41:56 crypticmofo: who do you think wrote that wiki page? Apr 27 22:42:19 o_O Apr 27 22:42:27 EricBlade-TP and i. Apr 27 22:43:36 ok i need to back up .. i want to change it so i don't see that little box or highlighter thing when i touch stuff your saying its in luna-platform.conf witch google says its for a pre3 using lunace but according to the wiki lunace is for webos 2x ? Apr 27 22:43:38 am i lost ? Apr 27 22:44:20 crypticmofo: use the preware patch for exactly this. Apr 27 22:45:55 yes you're lost crypticmofo :-) Apr 27 22:46:09 lol Apr 27 22:46:12 that's why patches exist. why reinvent the wheel? Apr 27 22:46:22 true Apr 27 22:55:17 should i enable testing and beta feed in preware Apr 27 22:55:21 i don't have those enabled Apr 27 23:02:28 not if you don't know what youe eoing Apr 27 23:03:04 i did a long time ago but now no i don't Apr 27 23:03:11 plus this pre2 is my daily phone Apr 28 01:02:10 oh Apr 28 01:30:55 ugh Apr 28 01:31:11 im doing just type and pressing on hp app catalog and its laughing at me like i don't have to go anywhere **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 28 02:59:58 2013