**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 03 02:59:58 2013 Jun 03 03:38:28 my world is spinning faster! i7 4770k is in the mail Jun 03 03:52:14 nice Jun 03 04:46:31 morning Jun 03 09:17:26 morning Jun 03 09:18:40 morphis: so, I'll still have to try morphis/work on meta-wop, but it seems that the issue is between that morphis/work and master-next branches -- but not in LSM it self, as I could reproduce the problem with your good srcrev of lsm. Could be in -common. Jun 03 09:19:35 Tofe: morning Jun 03 09:19:44 Tofe: yes, I think it's somewhere in -common too Jun 03 09:19:52 EricBlade1: ping Jun 03 09:20:14 Tofe: how much time do you have today? Jun 03 09:20:38 quite some time: I'm still on holiday until wednesday :) Jun 03 09:21:55 morphis: moin Jun 03 09:22:02 stefan_schmidt_w: moin Jun 03 09:22:07 Tofe: yeah :) Jun 03 09:22:11 moin moin Jun 03 09:23:08 morphis: in case you have problems joining any efl related channels. I think you got banned after you excessive join and leave some day last week. Jun 03 09:23:16 morphis: just to let you know Jun 03 09:23:24 stefan_schmidt_w: yes I already saw that Jun 03 09:23:32 seems like my bouncer gone crazy Jun 03 09:23:46 morphis: ok, just wanted to make sure you are aware :) Jun 03 09:24:33 stefan_schmidt_w: who is op of the #edevelop channel? Jun 03 09:25:07 morphis: hmm, good question. I know that Chris banned you, but he is not here in the office today Jun 03 09:25:14 ok Jun 03 09:25:22 No idea who takes care about this Jun 03 09:25:28 * stefan_schmidt_w only uses IRC :) Jun 03 09:25:34 * morphis too Jun 03 09:26:45 last time I had this problem (I think in #ubuntu or something like that), the chan gave me a hint about who to contact Jun 03 09:28:13 morphis: raster is op in e. The two people listed in edevelop I have never seen active Jun 03 09:29:07 raster isn't op in edevelop ? that's quite a weird logic... Jun 03 09:29:32 :) Jun 03 09:29:43 Tofe: could be that he can request it :) Jun 03 09:29:50 could be :) Jun 03 09:30:05 The logic between the e and edevelop channels is odd anyway :) Jun 03 09:30:30 err, actually he is Jun 03 09:30:32 My bad Jun 03 09:31:04 * stefan_schmidt_w blames the big monitor making it harder to spot ;) Jun 03 09:31:32 big monitor and big resolution? :D Jun 03 09:32:10 morphis: yeah, to bad ;) Jun 03 09:32:24 At least if you are used to do a lot of work on a small laptop screen Jun 03 09:32:30 :) Jun 03 09:32:50 It could be bigger and have a higher resolution still ;) Jun 03 09:33:10 soon, working on a 1600x1200, 4.7" screen smartphone ? Jun 03 09:33:57 Well, the S4 is 5" with full HD Jun 03 09:34:36 ah, yes... well, that should be ok for IRC, then, I guess Jun 03 09:34:55 it could Jun 03 09:35:12 I guess I would never use it for IRC though Jun 03 09:35:36 I prefer doing real work on a pc or laptop Jun 03 09:36:35 maybe with a webos-powered S4 ? ;) Jun 03 09:37:31 * Tofe subreptitiously moves back to on-topic Jun 03 09:37:35 You would really need to hurry up for this I fear. Jun 03 09:38:11 I doubt webOS will look very good on the S4 Jun 03 09:38:19 I hate to say it. Really hate, but I flashed Android on my Touchpad I I use it way more after that. Jun 03 09:38:26 cause we're missing still high resolution graphics Jun 03 09:38:36 stefan_schmidt_w: :) Jun 03 09:38:50 Still very much in love with WebOS and its design and UI but it just does not allow me to do all the stuff I do all day :( Jun 03 09:39:11 Same reason my Pre3 is just a second phone behind an old galaxy S1 Jun 03 09:39:28 stefan_schmidt_w: lack of specialized apps ? something else ? Jun 03 09:39:38 I really hope that webos catches up on all this Jun 03 09:40:44 Tofe: I have my contacts and calendar on my own server serving them with caldav/carddav, no way with webos. I count that as platform even if they are apps on android Jun 03 09:40:55 And then obviously all kind of apps Jun 03 09:41:51 Widgets are also something I start to enjoy Jun 03 09:42:09 More on a tablet but still a bit on a phone Jun 03 09:42:36 Having a home screen directly customized for my needs is a real value for me. Jun 03 09:43:26 Yes, I agree. lot of room for improvements :) Jun 03 09:44:05 someday ... :) Jun 03 09:44:12 Just to make it clear. I'm not really complaining here. More stating what made me switch. Even if I don't like the usability from Android at all Jun 03 09:44:43 Long WebOS user here. Started with the original Pre when it was first available here in .de Jun 03 09:44:58 morphis: lets keep the hope up. :) Jun 03 09:45:17 morphis: But you know that the others are not sleeping... Jun 03 09:45:53 stefan_schmidt_w: but that's quite a constructive criticism, it's always good to have Jun 03 09:46:33 Tofe: good :) Jun 03 09:47:03 Some things are simple engineering. Like caldav and carddav plugins for synergy Jun 03 09:47:12 stefan_schmidt_w: yes, and others are a lot further Jun 03 09:47:17 The apps problems is way more difficult. Jun 03 09:47:27 stefan_schmidt_w: yes, caldav/cardav isn't that much to do Jun 03 09:47:37 I don't mind about a high number of apps Jun 03 09:47:42 I mean there is always the idea to simulate an android env and let those apps run soemhow Jun 03 09:48:00 but if you want good integration into the bas esystem thats _really_ hard Jun 03 09:48:10 yes, that solution exists and is doable but engineering need as well :) Jun 03 09:48:41 morphis: I agree that a lot of apps could get cut out with a platform serving more of the users needs Jun 03 09:48:47 webOS ports is really missing UI developers here to archive something, if there would be some we could be a lot further Jun 03 09:49:14 stefan_schmidt_w: on my Pre 3 the only things I am using are phone, contacts, calendar, mail and browser Jun 03 09:49:23 thats mostly all I need Jun 03 09:49:51 But if we stay with caldav/carddav as example. It was possible to write synergy plugins since 2.x? but nothing arrived. I wonder if _any_ synergy plugin hit the webos app store Jun 03 09:50:20 I doubt that Jun 03 09:50:57 there are caldav/carddav implementations but no of them ever reached a usable state Jun 03 09:51:16 morphis: give me weather, public transportation schedules, currency exchange and webdav sync and I would be set as well Jun 03 09:51:24 :) Jun 03 09:52:00 synergy is still there but misses the connectors Jun 03 09:52:22 And a libpurple that has no @gmail limitation for xmpp Jun 03 09:52:43 I was really banging my head against the wall as Harald found that Jun 03 09:53:01 :) Jun 03 09:53:06 it's weird Jun 03 09:53:09 I mean the integrated messages app is still way better compared to what android offers me Jun 03 09:53:25 stefan_schmidt_w: https://github.com/webOS-ports/imlibpurpleservice Jun 03 09:53:46 hah Jun 03 09:53:49 never seen it Jun 03 09:53:52 great! Jun 03 09:53:59 it was opensource for a long time Jun 03 09:54:06 lurcking around on opensource.palm.com Jun 03 09:54:16 found it on the weekend Jun 03 09:54:25 we're now just missing the messaging app Jun 03 09:54:28 yeah, I have to be fair here. the libpruple thing was with webos 1.x Jun 03 09:54:49 afaik it was still there with webos 2/3 Jun 03 09:55:29 It was just so sad that I flashed android on the touchapd as dual boot and after one week realized that I have not booted into webos again at all :( Jun 03 09:56:05 ok, stopped paying attention it seems Jun 03 10:41:11 folks Jun 03 12:47:29 Tofe: ping Jun 03 13:08:08 morphis: pong Jun 03 13:08:31 you got any further with your N7? Jun 03 13:09:05 no, I come to thing that there is a problem with the usb port... Jun 03 13:09:13 think* Jun 03 13:10:15 I guess I'll have to get an RMA from asus Jun 03 13:10:57 and hope that they will be smart enough to exchange it in France Jun 03 13:11:45 morphis: by the way, I can't get ofono to compile on the morphis/work branch Jun 03 13:12:00 something like an waudio.h not found Jun 03 13:12:06 ah Jun 03 13:12:20 bb -c cleansstate android-audiosystem && bb android-audiosystem should help Jun 03 13:12:26 oki Jun 03 13:13:38 mh, now it's time.h that is not found by the latter :p Jun 03 13:13:57 isn't that part of the kernel ? or glibc ? Jun 03 13:15:25 hm Jun 03 13:15:35 somehow staging is weird in your build Jun 03 13:15:38 JaMa: ^^ Jun 03 13:15:48 Tofe: should be part of glibc afaik Jun 03 13:16:15 well, I can try to cleansstate it, but that'll trigger the whole thing I guess Jun 03 13:17:06 yes Jun 03 13:17:20 better to remove tmp-eglibc directory and rebuild from sstate Jun 03 13:17:38 mmh Jun 03 13:17:50 well, ok Jun 03 13:18:36 Tofe: if you still have log from last build, check if there was WARNING about time.h staged by 2 recipes Jun 03 13:19:29 ah, oops, too late Jun 03 13:20:07 anyway there was something messy in my build, and for the bug I'm hunting it'd better be clean Jun 03 13:21:47 yeah, better not drink and compile Jun 03 13:22:44 i got laughed at for using my touchpad this weekend T.T Jun 03 13:23:56 how rude :) Jun 03 13:24:17 they poked at me for not having any apps >.> Jun 03 13:24:25 i told them #webos-ports would fix it ;D Jun 03 13:30:08 HaDAk: do we? Jun 03 13:30:17 jesus christ, that was loud. Jun 03 13:30:19 uh Jun 03 13:30:24 do we what? Jun 03 13:31:12 does webos-ports fix it? Jun 03 13:33:11 i dunno Jun 03 13:33:27 depends on how much people are taking part within webOS ports Jun 03 13:33:37 from what we have atm I can clearly say: no Jun 03 13:38:32 HaDAk: webOS ports will not fix the problem of having no filled app store Jun 03 13:38:37 :P Jun 03 13:40:21 but everyone is welcome to help us to atleast get a usable phone Jun 03 13:40:48 ;) Jun 03 13:47:53 HaDAk: so you're free to help us :) Jun 03 13:48:01 "free" is relative Jun 03 13:51:00 yes but every help is needed Jun 03 13:51:34 For example I'm helping on *one* bug, since quite a couple of days now :p Jun 03 13:52:31 Ah, my compilation error re-appeared. I'll check the log. Jun 03 13:53:15 Tofe: ok Jun 03 13:54:26 JaMa: I don't see anything special in the compile log, did you mean another log ? Jun 03 13:55:26 Tofe: it would be in cooker log (the one shown when building) Jun 03 13:57:12 no, nothing in that log Jun 03 13:59:10 I do have time.h in the tmp-eglibc/sysroots/a500/usr/include/linux/ directory Jun 03 14:05:56 mmh the " -I/include -I/include" in the compile command line is weird, looks like a piece is missing Jun 03 14:07:37 would someone here have an example of a working "android-audiosystem/1.8+bzr43-r3/temp/log.do_compile" ? Jun 03 21:55:32 hey guys Jun 03 21:55:43 hey EricBlade Jun 03 21:56:43 i think i've got everything working in my new office, yay. Jun 03 21:56:52 cool cool Jun 03 21:56:55 new job? Jun 03 21:56:56 now, i need to locate a proper source of carbonated beverages. Jun 03 21:57:01 or just new office at your job? Jun 03 21:57:10 new office at the existing job Jun 03 21:57:19 ah cool Jun 03 21:57:27 I went throught that at the beginning of the year Jun 03 21:57:36 about 4 miles? i think away from the old office Jun 03 21:58:00 Mine isn't that far away Jun 03 21:58:24 but it turned the walking distance that I had from my apartment into a driving distance to the new building :( Jun 03 21:58:30 I pay so much more in gas now Jun 03 21:58:47 yeah i'm not sure if there's a walking route to a hotel that i can afford Jun 03 21:59:12 and now i'm exhausted after assembling everything. :| Jun 03 21:59:37 you're staying at a hotel? Jun 03 21:59:49 we have a beautiful hotel across the street, but i don't think the company really wants to increase from a $80 a night stay to a $350 a night stay. Jun 03 21:59:56 that's really expensive. Do you not plan to stay at the office long? Jun 03 22:00:03 i work remote, they bring me in to do stuff sometime Jun 03 22:00:09 ah Jun 03 22:00:17 ericBlade, they moved out of SV3? Jun 03 22:00:33 SV3? Jun 03 22:00:38 * scoutcamper didnt know that Jun 03 22:01:07 SV3 is the name for the building where webos work was being done after hp killed the entire hardware division Jun 03 22:01:10 just happened this weekend, i don't know if it's something that is supposed to be on the down low or needs to be announced or what Jun 03 22:01:37 ah Jun 03 22:01:40 Did not realize that Jun 03 22:01:44 i presume that they moved out of hp's building into lg's lol Jun 03 22:01:50 yes Jun 03 22:01:51 and did not realize that EricBlade was part of the GBU Jun 03 22:02:13 yeah i am currently. haven't really made a big deal about it, but it's not a secret Jun 03 22:02:17 EricBlade, i spent alot of time in sv2 over the years :) Jun 03 22:02:34 only time i ever got into sv2 was to take my picture for my old access card Jun 03 22:02:45 i started the day after they moved to sv3 Jun 03 22:02:47 lol Jun 03 22:02:57 my dad worked in SV2 for 12 years. i knew that building well :) Jun 03 22:03:07 oh wow Jun 03 22:03:14 well, he worked in sv2 for like 5 years. overall palm for 12 Jun 03 22:03:29 That's pretty cool Jun 03 22:17:28 At least I have enough room to spread all my stuff out reasonably on my desk now. I may have more room here than I have in my home office Jun 03 22:17:46 neat Jun 03 22:18:12 Which would be nice if I had 5 displays like I do in my home office, but they are stingy on monitors here. hopefully that'll change once we've settled down Jun 03 22:18:52 5 displays? holy shit Jun 03 22:19:03 I only have 3 on my home pc Jun 03 22:29:15 EricBlade I have _no_ monitors Jun 03 22:29:21 Or linux boxes Jun 03 22:36:58 halfhalo connects to IRC through braille Jun 03 22:37:00 impressive Jun 03 22:37:25 bah Jun 03 22:37:34 halfhalo, uses ESP Jun 03 22:38:12 Magnets Jun 03 22:38:27 i have 3 on my main pc, and 2 on my work pc Jun 03 22:43:56 <•06:38:12 PM•> <•+halfhalo•> Magnets <-- How do they Work? Jun 03 22:43:57 :P Jun 03 22:44:18 btw, scoutcamper, you were one letter off. ISP :P Jun 03 22:44:25 oh wait Jun 03 22:44:27 2 letters Jun 03 22:44:28 ICP Jun 03 22:44:28 They utilize FM technology to transit signals Jun 03 22:44:49 no. ESP Jun 03 22:45:05 <•06:44:28 PM•> <•+halfhalo•> They utilize FM technology to transit signals <-- Either you don't get my joke, or you are being mean :( Jun 03 22:45:49 I hid a joke in your joke Jun 03 22:47:12 Ah, so FM was the joke? Jun 03 22:47:23 well played Jun 04 00:22:16 ka6sox: are you sending me spam emails? o.O Jun 04 00:22:51 this is a mac...why it was compromised I dont' know Jun 04 00:25:17 ka6sox, i too just got spam Jun 04 00:28:39 JUST NOW??? Jun 04 00:28:42 WTF Jun 04 00:28:53 6 minutes ago Jun 04 00:30:08 ka6sox, may i suggest 2 factor authentication? Jun 04 00:31:57 sure, but I changed this password about 30 minutes ago Jun 04 00:32:08 scanning the mac now Jun 04 00:42:58 scoutcamper, sent me the header please? Jun 04 00:43:05 I need to find this vector Jun 04 00:43:49 ka6sox, i need to remember how to get the header from gmail Jun 04 00:44:10 usually "details" Jun 04 00:46:07 ka6sox, http://pastebin.com/VC66zVUb Jun 04 00:48:19 thats not all of it Jun 04 00:48:28 its not enough to be able to decypher Jun 04 00:49:54 ah Jun 04 00:49:57 one moment Jun 04 00:53:15 ka6sox, http://pastebin.com/WLUMhCGd Jun 04 01:26:20 <•08:22:50 PM•> <•+ka6sox•> this is a mac...why it was compromised I dont' know <-- By owning a mc you probably make yourself a prime target now. So many people are tired of the mac fanboys (Not saying you are one, just saying you get caught in the crossfire) Jun 04 01:26:24 *mac Jun 04 01:36:55 pffft. i HATE mac's, but i understand the benifits of mac. ka6sox uses a mac for the right reasons, and, being a major linux user i dont think the term 'fanboy' qualify's for ka6sox :P Jun 04 01:37:27 I never said it did apply Jun 04 01:37:42 in fact, my parenthesized text explicitly stated that Jun 04 01:37:47 GodGinrai, I use all 3, because they are TOOLS Jun 04 01:38:16 I said he's suffering the ramifications of using a tool that is very popular w/ annoying hipsters Jun 04 01:38:30 lol Jun 04 01:42:08 anyone have any idea why dkirker keeps getting d/ced due to flood? Jun 04 01:42:50 he's probably in a bunch of rooms and reconnecting causes him to rejoin them too quickly Jun 04 01:43:42 umm, he doesn't seem to get d/ced after he joins the channel Jun 04 01:43:50 only after he's been idling a long time Jun 04 01:44:06 no Jun 04 01:44:10 its his irc client Jun 04 01:44:17 he uses the same one halfhalo used for a time Jun 04 01:44:34 it ... disagrees with znc Jun 04 01:44:49 znc? Jun 04 01:44:59 an IRC bouncer Jun 04 01:45:03 ah Jun 04 01:52:41 not to rain on anyone's parade or anything, but apple does make the best looking unix UI that's out there Jun 04 01:55:16 not to rain on your parade Darakians, but that UI is the biggest reason I hate Mac OS Jun 04 01:55:27 oh? Jun 04 01:55:31 yea Jun 04 01:55:42 not a fan of the shiny shiny? Jun 04 01:55:56 every time i boot my Mac i feel like i'm instantly transported back to 1985 Jun 04 01:56:02 No, not a fan of the file bar at the top of my desktop Jun 04 01:56:16 in fact, Gnome's attempts to mimic it is the biggest reason I dislike Gnome Jun 04 01:56:24 * Darakians is a huge gnome 3 fan Jun 04 01:56:26 that, and their horrible file explorer Jun 04 01:56:28 :) Jun 04 01:57:09 which the mac file explorer or nautilis? Jun 04 01:57:14 nautilus? Jun 04 01:57:14 nautilis Jun 04 01:57:17 *nautlius Jun 04 01:57:17 ya Jun 04 01:57:23 that thing is horrible Jun 04 01:57:29 it does need some work Jun 04 01:58:28 either way, the mac os is the easiest way to have photoshop and bash running on the same machine at the same time Jun 04 01:59:00 that is true, since bash comes preinstalled Jun 04 01:59:09 ;) Jun 04 01:59:10 However, I never found Cygwin that hard to install Jun 04 01:59:14 and I personally use Gimp Jun 04 01:59:21 have fun with that Jun 04 01:59:43 I do :) Jun 04 01:59:50 as much as I love open source stuff the gimp is nothing compared to photoshop/lightroom Jun 04 02:00:01 I'm sure Photoshop is better Jun 04 02:00:06 much Jun 04 02:00:13 However, I don't do extremely advanced image editing Jun 04 02:00:18 ahhh Jun 04 02:00:24 well that'll do it Jun 04 02:00:29 exactly :) Jun 04 02:00:51 I do photowork and go through upwards of 100GB/month of images Jun 04 02:01:01 wow Jun 04 02:01:01 nothing but adobe programs cut the cheese Jun 04 02:01:25 actually, I haven't tried apple's aperture program to be honest Jun 04 02:01:28 ya Jun 04 02:01:35 that sounds more impressive than it is Jun 04 02:01:46 Yea, I develop applications, so I've basically had very little use in my field for the Gimp :P Jun 04 02:01:48 I end up tossing about 90GB of that Jun 04 02:01:57 much less Photoshop Jun 04 02:02:09 web development? Jun 04 02:02:17 yea Jun 04 02:02:36 that's got a visual aspect to it Jun 04 02:02:39 kinda Jun 04 02:02:39 yep Jun 04 02:02:47 but most of it I accomplish w/ CSS Jun 04 02:02:58 ah, fair enough Jun 04 02:03:17 I dunno, ever since windows 8 I've had a lot more respect for the mac os Jun 04 02:03:36 the only thing that keeps me away is the lack of being able to build my own machine Jun 04 02:03:39 yea, well, Microsoft is stupid, that's for sure Jun 04 02:03:44 I still prefer Linux Jun 04 02:03:51 I only have Windows on my main computer for gaming Jun 04 02:03:51 ya Jun 04 02:04:00 but software rules the install Jun 04 02:04:03 steam + adobe Jun 04 02:04:13 speaking of photoshop, i really wish i had a LG webOS wallpaper Jun 04 02:04:18 lol Jun 04 02:04:29 LG webos wallpaper? Jun 04 02:04:49 I want to hear things about LG and webos before I start seeing wallpapers for it >.< Jun 04 02:04:50 like... made by LG? Jun 04 02:05:01 yeah my laptop has a hp webOS wallpaper that it came preloaded with Jun 04 02:05:04 Darakians, webos GBU is owned by LG now Jun 04 02:05:10 ya, I heard Jun 04 02:05:14 along with an aerial view of the old Palm buildings as the login screen Jun 04 02:05:20 heh, that's neat Jun 04 02:05:29 I'm just imagining an LG logo over a sunset or flower or something Jun 04 02:05:36 lol Jun 04 02:05:50 LG's art never really struck me as... good Jun 04 02:06:00 it never really was Jun 04 02:06:14 EricBlade: Work machine? Jun 04 02:06:52 yes Jun 04 02:06:58 coolI Jun 04 02:06:59 But Darakians. I completely understand your reasoning for MacOS if you are a graphics guy Jun 04 02:07:00 cool* Jun 04 02:07:13 honestly it's more than just graphics Jun 04 02:07:22 I really enjoy the UI and OS in general Jun 04 02:07:22 Just that if I was given one for a work laptop, I'd be installing an alternate DE ASAP Jun 04 02:07:28 I just don't enjoy the apple Jun 04 02:07:49 the lack of hardware, the lock down Jun 04 02:07:52 the apple asin the logo? or the company and the hordes of hipsters that follow it? Jun 04 02:07:55 ah, yea Jun 04 02:07:56 the company Jun 04 02:08:01 I hate the lockdown of the hardware Jun 04 02:08:06 don't really care about the user base Jun 04 02:08:12 hence why I still have my pre 2 Jun 04 02:08:20 lol Jun 04 02:08:25 I have a Pre3 right now Jun 04 02:08:26 loving it Jun 04 02:08:38 ya me too, this thing just keep on going Jun 04 02:08:54 and I don't treat it well either Jun 04 02:09:08 props to the guys that made it Jun 04 02:09:13 indeed Jun 04 02:09:30 anyway, on the LG note. What's the word with webOS these days? Jun 04 02:09:45 I just hope by the point this dies, I'll have an OWO solution I can use. Jun 04 02:09:45 is it still on it's way to being a TV os? Jun 04 02:10:12 I'm concerned about that, too actually Jun 04 02:10:20 That Google announcement about Google TV Jun 04 02:10:27 i haven't heard of any changes in plans Jun 04 02:10:31 means that the LG Google TV I have is finally going to become useful Jun 04 02:10:44 What does that mean for LG w/ webOS? Jun 04 02:10:50 what did google announce? Jun 04 02:10:51 EricBlade: current plans being TvOS? Jun 04 02:11:05 They are upgrading the Google TVs to JellyBean Jun 04 02:11:08 with NDK support Jun 04 02:11:25 Lack of NDK support was the reason Google TV could get no apps Jun 04 02:11:56 I really don't see the point of smart TVs Jun 04 02:12:04 give me miracast and call it a day Jun 04 02:12:09 Darakians: i can only parrot the last things i saw announced, which was that webOS would come to TVs in 80 different countries Jun 04 02:12:22 huh Jun 04 02:12:24 ok Jun 04 02:12:32 Darakians Jun 04 02:12:35 thanks, I've been out of the loop for a few months Jun 04 02:12:38 http://www.retrode.org Jun 04 02:12:49 ^ Plug that into Google TV, run emulator Jun 04 02:12:59 there's a golden reason for smart TVs right there Jun 04 02:13:22 that's cool and all, but a nexus 4 or 7 or whatever is powerful enough to run all the emulators you want Jun 04 02:13:44 yes, but it's not a 47-inch television where I can sit and enjoy my games w/ a real emulator Jun 04 02:13:54 *real controller, not emu Jun 04 02:14:02 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracast Jun 04 02:14:04 ;) Jun 04 02:14:17 i can't speak as to miracast support, today was the first time i'd heard of it. but i've had my head buried in Qt5 and WebAppMgr for the last several months Jun 04 02:14:42 iirc google supports it on their nexus devices Jun 04 02:14:45 the 4 at least Jun 04 02:15:12 in my mind miracast + dumb tv = everything I want Jun 04 02:15:26 well not everything Jun 04 02:15:30 but most things Jun 04 02:15:59 Eric, I'm assuming you work for LG now? Jun 04 02:16:01 May be for you, but considering there is no tablet worth my money out or planned in the near future, that doesn't work for me Jun 04 02:16:12 yes, Darakians Jun 04 02:16:25 cool Jun 04 02:16:32 hope they're treating you guys well Jun 04 02:16:54 i'm loving it Jun 04 02:17:10 that's great to hear, Eric Jun 04 02:17:16 aye Jun 04 02:17:22 now give us a new phone :p Jun 04 02:17:34 lol Jun 04 02:17:34 it's not quite everything i'd hoped, considering that i applied for apps development, and somehow got stuck with a lot of the internal system upgrades. :-S but i love it anyway Jun 04 02:17:40 new WebOS phone Jun 04 02:17:43 I would pay so much Jun 04 02:17:51 but I wouldn't want something like WindsorNot Jun 04 02:17:58 I'm quite partial to physical keyboards Jun 04 02:18:11