**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 06 03:00:22 2013
Jun 06 04:41:41 <morphis> morning
Jun 06 04:41:43 <morphis> Tofe: fine
Jun 06 07:01:07 <Tofe> morning
Jun 06 07:16:23 <morphis> Tofe: moring
Jun 06 07:20:49 <penk> morphis: morning!
Jun 06 07:21:01 <morphis> penk: morning
Jun 06 07:21:19 <morphis> penk: saw you're working on slatekit?
Jun 06 07:21:36 <penk> morphis: yeah my latest toy project slatekit.org
Jun 06 07:22:01 <morphis> it's a complete self-based interface and not just a app, right?
Jun 06 07:22:36 <penk> correct
Jun 06 07:23:27 <morphis> but things like the browser can run standalone?
Jun 06 07:24:32 <penk> morphis: yes originally it was developed for one of my kiosk customer, but I kept all components (launcher/network setting/video player) modulized ..
Jun 06 07:25:01 <penk> right now it's just browser and keyboard (QEvent plugin)
Jun 06 07:25:21 <morphis> nice
Jun 06 07:25:30 <morphis> so we would be able to run the browser in webOS?
Jun 06 07:26:35 <penk> hmmm it's purely QML and JavaScript, so there's a chance
Jun 06 07:27:00 <penk> btw how's webOS's Qt port these days? migrated to Qt5 yet?
Jun 06 07:28:15 <morphis> somehow
Jun 06 07:28:24 <morphis> we have qt4 and qt5 running next to each other
Jun 06 07:28:33 <morphis> qt4 still powers LSM/WAM stack
Jun 06 07:28:46 <morphis> but we're mostly able to run qt5 apps
Jun 06 07:30:10 <penk> that's good, QtQuick 2.0's WebView is very powerful
Jun 06 07:31:19 <morphis> yes
Jun 06 07:31:34 <morphis> penk: so it would be possible?
Jun 06 07:31:57 <penk> yes definitely
Jun 06 07:32:13 <morphis> great
Jun 06 07:32:27 <morphis> as we're thinking about a different browser solution
Jun 06 07:32:31 <penk> morphis: https://github.com/penk/SlateKit/tree/master/Shell
Jun 06 07:33:01 <penk> if you have qmlscene in rootfs, it's easy to tweak
Jun 06 07:34:25 <morphis> penk: ok, will check this
Jun 06 07:34:58 <penk> morphis: please let me know how it goes
Jun 06 07:35:24 <morphis> for sure
Jun 06 07:40:28 <morphis> penk: at least it looks really nice
Jun 06 07:41:14 <penk> morphis: thanks, I tried very hard to mimic those iOS apps… :P
Jun 06 07:41:20 <morphis> :)
Jun 06 08:21:35 <morphis> Tofe: http://files.gravedo.de/qt5-apps.png
Jun 06 08:30:11 <penk> morphis: it's pity snowshoe isn't actively developed anymore
Jun 06 08:30:44 <morphis> yes
Jun 06 08:31:04 <morphis> penk: thats why I was asking about slatekit :)
Jun 06 08:31:21 <penk> if snowshoe runs, so does slatekit-shell
Jun 06 08:44:36 <bhuey> folks
Jun 06 09:04:16 <morphis> penk: for sure
Jun 06 09:07:38 <Tofe> morphis: what is that window ? what window manager ? what what ?
Jun 06 09:07:56 <Tofe> oh, just saw the msg on libhybris
Jun 06 09:08:02 <Tofe> kool !
Jun 06 09:08:29 <morphis> Tofe: basically it's snowshoe which is a qt5 app using QML
Jun 06 09:08:40 <morphis> I just continued the work on the qt5 webos QPA
Jun 06 09:08:53 <morphis> which is now using libwebos-gui as the qt4 one does
Jun 06 09:09:15 <morphis> https://github.com/webOS-ports/qt5-webos-plugin/tree/morphis/work
Jun 06 09:10:29 <Tofe> good
Jun 06 09:11:00 <Tofe> ah, yes, this is why libwebos-gui has to be qt-agnostic
Jun 06 09:12:17 <Tofe> so what I could work on next would be to move the offscreen windowing part of libwebos-gui to an egl plugin
Jun 06 09:13:48 <Tofe> I think that using an env. variable to switch between egl platforms will be sufficient for now, but it's a bit too basic, as it means only one platform per process
Jun 06 09:16:50 <morphis> Tofe: do we need more than one egl platform per process?
Jun 06 09:18:04 <Tofe> Not right now, and not with these simple platforms; in the future I'm not sure. But that can wait, for sure.
Jun 06 09:20:03 <morphis> ok
Jun 06 09:20:16 <morphis> Tofe: I will try to get the buffer-release functionality implemented
Jun 06 09:20:59 <morphis> Tofe: do we want to return the whole buffer or just it's id?
Jun 06 09:23:37 <Tofe> the id seems a bit light to me, as it is just an index, which can be reused
Jun 06 09:26:38 <morphis> yes
Jun 06 09:26:41 <morphis> so the whole buffer?
Jun 06 09:27:15 <Tofe> yes
Jun 06 09:27:59 <morphis> good
Jun 06 09:28:50 <morphis> Tofe: when we're doing the egl platform plugin we have to find a way to still set the window geometry for the window
Jun 06 09:31:14 <Tofe> yes
Jun 06 09:47:58 <morphis> as thats still a little bit tricky in webOS
Jun 06 10:29:10 <morphis> Tofe: ok, I am reworking libwebos-gui atm
Jun 06 10:29:23 <morphis> Tofe: modding WebSurfaceManagerClient to handle a queue of buffers
Jun 06 10:29:31 <morphis> now the name doesn't fit anymore
Jun 06 10:29:52 <morphis> or maybe it still does
Jun 06 10:30:23 <morphis> Tofe: I want to move the buffer handling to WebosSurfaceManagerClient class
Jun 06 10:30:32 <morphis> so we have one class which takes care of buffer management
Jun 06 10:31:03 <morphis> and OffscreenNativeWindow then just calls WebosSurfaceManagerClient::nextBuffer
Jun 06 10:48:19 <Tofe> morphis: mmh but that will make the move to eglplatform quite difficult, isn't it ?
Jun 06 10:48:31 <morphis> not really
Jun 06 10:48:45 <morphis> we still can link our egl platform module against libwebos-gui
Jun 06 10:48:56 <morphis> but I revoked my opinion above already
Jun 06 10:48:59 <Tofe> aha, I didn't think of that
Jun 06 10:49:04 <morphis> will do the buffer management in the native window class
Jun 06 10:49:26 <Tofe> ok :)
Jun 06 11:24:18 <morphis> Tofe: https://github.com/webOS-ports/libwebos-gui/commit/e9435e588df2864d4fcca79e469d3066cc53d98e
Jun 06 11:32:11 <Tofe> looks good; in that version, we still use the index as the buffer id, isn't it ?
Jun 06 12:12:20 <morphis> yes
Jun 06 12:12:27 <morphis> but it's unique now
Jun 06 12:13:47 <morphis> it's not working yet but I am quite far
Jun 06 13:09:20 <Tofe> morphis: s/quite/not/ ?
Jun 06 13:13:04 <morphis> I am mostly done there are just synchronization problems :)
Jun 06 14:20:00 <Tofe> I'm really eager to test the fixed libwebos-gui... yesterday evening the SetScene took hours, because it... downloaded a big sstate cached kernel :p Now it's compiled, but I'm at work !
Jun 06 14:21:10 <stefan_schmidt_w> Tofe: do it at work :)
Jun 06 14:22:30 <Tofe> Well, I can spend some minutes here and there, but let's not abuse the situation :)
Jun 06 14:27:08 <stefan_schmidt_w> heh
Jun 06 14:57:19 <Tofe> We haven't been very active on twitter recently... maybe a screenshot or two would be welcome ?
Jun 06 15:04:11 <scoutcamper> Tofe, morphis, i shot a video for gnex last night, i will get it edited today and link it here for review
Jun 06 15:04:37 <morphis> scoutcamper: great
Jun 06 15:06:26 <Tofe> scoutcamper: yep, good :)
Jun 06 15:14:44 <morphis> Tofe: I need to sort out some issues with socket communication before this works
Jun 06 15:27:11 <Tofe> morphis: no problem, that won't stop me from starting the egl platform work
Jun 06 15:27:19 <morphis> ok
Jun 06 16:23:16 <HaDAk> morphis: is that chrome running natively in webos? O_o
Jun 06 16:25:52 <scoutcamper> it looks like it
Jun 06 16:26:07 * HaDAk proposes to morphis
Jun 06 16:28:14 <morphis> HaDAk: no, it's not chrome
Jun 06 16:28:34 <morphis> HaDAk: http://snowshoe.openbossa.org/
Jun 06 16:28:36 <HaDAk> looks like it, anyway. is it a [modern] webkit browser?
Jun 06 16:28:42 <morphis> HaDAk: but chrome is theoretically possible too
Jun 06 16:29:02 <HaDAk> oooh, pretty.
Jun 06 16:29:38 <HaDAk> morphis ftw.
Jun 06 16:35:55 <morphis> HaDAk: but don't expect any of this (chromium,...) to be available anytime soon
Jun 06 16:36:07 <HaDAk> i understan
Jun 06 16:36:14 <HaDAk> but you know i'm always up for beta-testing and QA
Jun 06 16:52:13 <morphis> HaDAk: you want something to test?
Jun 06 16:52:27 <HaDAk> i don't have my touchpad on me, but sure.
Jun 06 16:52:38 <morphis> you have a galaxy nexus?
Jun 06 16:52:53 <HaDAk> i did last week.
Jun 06 17:55:04 <scoutcamper> Today is 06/06
Jun 06 17:55:17 <scoutcamper> 4 years of webos today
Jun 06 18:01:51 * HaDAk has a moment of silence
Jun 06 18:23:33 <Bee> Hi webos-ports!
Jun 06 18:23:59 <morphis> Bee: hey
Jun 06 18:24:00 <Bee> Here to ask if you need any help programming something
Jun 06 18:24:08 <morphis> Bee: for sure
Jun 06 18:24:11 <Bee> as long as it can be done on my comp (no gnex)
Jun 06 18:24:31 <morphis> Bee: we nearly have no one currently working on any apps
Jun 06 18:24:44 <morphis> Bee: do you have any other webos device?
Jun 06 18:24:52 <Bee> I have a Pre3
Jun 06 18:29:51 <Tofe> morphis: works fine on my a500 !
Jun 06 18:30:01 <morphis> Tofe: great
Jun 06 18:30:11 <morphis> Bee: ok, that should be ok for any app development
Jun 06 18:30:25 <morphis> Bee: for example a media player would be nice
Jun 06 18:30:34 <morphis> that can be also written on desktop without any webos
Jun 06 18:30:48 <morphis> Bee: interested?
Jun 06 18:33:00 <Tofe> scoutcamper|away: webos started on a national swedish day ? ;)
Jun 06 18:33:28 <Bee> Do have more options I could choose from?
Jun 06 18:33:39 <Bee> Just interested to see what applications need work
Jun 06 18:33:57 <morphis> Bee: a lot
Jun 06 18:34:10 <Bee> Is there a list in the wiki :O?
Jun 06 18:34:11 <morphis> contacts app replacement written in enyo2 would be also nice
Jun 06 18:34:32 <Bee> hmm... Ok
Jun 06 18:34:51 <morphis> not really
Jun 06 18:34:51 <Bee> I guess I can do contacts
Jun 06 18:35:06 <morphis> it mostly works the same than on old webos devices
Jun 06 18:35:11 <morphis> just the UI changes
Jun 06 18:35:39 <Bee> ok, it's ok for me to do contacts
Jun 06 18:36:19 <morphis> ok, feel free to ask for wgatever yiu beeed
Jun 06 18:36:41 <Bee> hmm... just three questions:
Jun 06 18:37:13 <Bee> 1. What is my contacts source?
Jun 06 18:37:51 <Bee> 2. Should I reproduce the webos2 app in enyo, or do I have freedom of design decisions?
Jun 06 18:38:23 <Bee> 3. How do I submit it?
Jun 06 19:00:56 <Bee> Anything?
Jun 06 19:20:09 <Darakians> Bee: I believe the answer to numbers one and three is github
Jun 06 19:20:16 <Darakians> not sure on number two
Jun 06 19:37:12 <Bee> Ok, will wait for answer to start working on ui P=
Jun 06 19:38:31 <morphis> Bee: 1: this channel 2: or a free but respect it will be an app which everyone will use 3: on github and early as possoble and often as possible
Jun 06 19:42:13 <Bee> 1: I meant... what is the app's datasource? I understand there's no synergy.. so where do I get the contacts from? 2: I will do my best :) 3: so you'll open a repo for it and I'll do pull requests, or just open my own and share it here?
Jun 06 19:49:28 <Tofe> morphis: do you think it's ok if I'm working in the master branch of libwebos-gui, or should I directly branch off morphis/work ?
Jun 06 19:50:18 <morphis> Bee: synergy is there
Jun 06 19:50:31 <morphis> Bee: just do the app as you would do it for webOS classic
Jun 06 19:50:36 <morphis> take a look at the old app
Jun 06 19:50:55 <morphis> Bee: https://github.com/webOS-ports/core-apps/tree/master/com.palm.app.contacts
Jun 06 19:51:11 <Bee> Oh, ok!
Jun 06 19:51:19 <morphis> Tofe: until you don't push to master I am ok
Jun 06 19:54:00 <Bee> I will open a repo on my github and update you asap on changes :D
Jun 06 19:56:04 <Tofe> No risk at all, I'm on a fork :)
Jun 06 19:56:48 <Tofe> (at some point in time, maybe it would be more convenient for me to work on branch rather than on a fork)
Jun 06 19:57:54 <morphis> Bee: thats great!
Jun 06 19:58:06 <morphis> Tofe: ok
Jun 06 20:09:25 <Bee> cool, thanks guys. Will start working :)
Jun 06 20:09:32 <Bee> bye for now
Jun 06 20:09:38 <Tofe> bye!
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