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Jul 08 06:07:30 <morphis> Tofe|Away: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next/pull/4
Jul 08 06:08:02 <PatrickC> is there like a gerrit/code review for -ports?
Jul 08 06:08:04 <PatrickC> or just github
Jul 08 06:08:38 <morphis> PatrickC: only github
Jul 08 06:08:56 <morphis> PatrickC: do you have patches to contribute?
Jul 08 06:09:11 <PatrickC> i don't, just wanted to comb through
Jul 08 06:09:38 <morphis> too bad :)
Jul 08 06:09:50 <PatrickC> i don't have enough knowledge to contribute ;)
Jul 08 06:12:31 <morphis> really?
Jul 08 06:13:10 <PatrickC> i don't really know any C at all
Jul 08 06:13:17 <PatrickC> nor java, nor any of the other core languages
Jul 08 06:14:01 <morphis> html/js?
Jul 08 06:14:38 <PatrickC> some knowledge of that
Jul 08 06:14:45 <PatrickC> not tons.. learning more though
Jul 08 06:15:26 <morphis> ok
Jul 08 06:15:42 <morphis> if you want to contribute, pick one of the apps
Jul 08 06:15:46 <morphis> llike preware2
Jul 08 06:16:20 <PatrickC> could i just do it in browser? i really don't run any webos devices anymore.. waiting for OWOS to reach stable (or at least working state) on my device
Jul 08 06:18:20 <morphis> you can
Jul 08 06:18:42 <PatrickC> hmm, i might then. once i learn more html/etc...
Jul 08 06:18:47 <PatrickC> learning it for a website im building
Jul 08 06:20:21 <morphis> if you want to contribute this is a very worthfull way
Jul 08 06:21:24 <PatrickC> i might do just that, cause i want to contribute something, just without a webOS device, or a device that supports OWOS, there just isn't anything i thought i could do
Jul 08 06:21:31 * PatrickC bookmarks preware2
Jul 08 06:22:36 <PatrickC> but i'm off to bed, night folks
Jul 08 06:22:56 <morphis> n8
Jul 08 07:59:57 <Tofe> morning
Jul 08 08:05:51 <morphis> Tofe: morning
Jul 08 08:59:34 <morphis> Tofe: the new card launcher works already fine on the device :)
Jul 08 09:09:16 <Tofe> :) yeah !
Jul 08 09:18:38 <morphis> just real client windows aren't working yet
Jul 08 09:18:56 <morphis> but left/right gesture works fine
Jul 08 09:34:09 <Tofe> morphis: and swipe up/down doesn't work there either ?
Jul 08 09:34:16 <morphis> yes
Jul 08 09:34:48 <Tofe> ok, I'll continue investigating that.
Jul 08 09:35:31 <morphis> I will move the compositor class into src/compositor soon
Jul 08 09:35:36 <Tofe> morphis: I've tried to keep the client window as separated as possible, but I think we'll need some C++/QML binding for that
Jul 08 09:35:40 <morphis> Tofe: btw. we should add the default webOS ports wallpaper
Jul 08 09:35:51 <morphis> Tofe: ok
Jul 08 09:37:38 <morphis> Tofe: I will add an upstart script + extra build type on jenkins later today
Jul 08 09:37:46 <Tofe> ok; I'll try to implement the window deletion soon, and then I'll see how we can organize things into pluggable components
Jul 08 09:37:47 <morphis> so you can start testing on your a500 too
Jul 08 09:37:56 <Tofe> :)
Jul 08 09:38:01 <morphis> Tofe: yes pluggable components would be nice :)
Jul 08 09:38:19 <morphis> btw. we're back using plain evdev for input events - no nyx for this anymore :)
Jul 08 09:38:45 <Tofe> so Qt manages multitouch itself
Jul 08 09:39:07 <Tofe> through wayland, I guess
Jul 08 09:39:29 <morphis> yes
Jul 08 09:39:39 <morphis> or no
Jul 08 09:39:43 <morphis> it's qt
Jul 08 09:40:09 <morphis> through wayland we're just forwarding the input events to our clients
Jul 08 09:40:30 <morphis> so evdev -> qt -> [wayland protocol] -> client
Jul 08 09:43:33 <Tofe> ah yes of course, we're on the server side too :)
Jul 08 13:10:52 <morphis> JaMa: I thought about creating a next branch for meta-webos-ports to develop and integarte luna-next
Jul 08 13:11:16 <morphis> together with creating corresponding build jobs on jenkins
Jul 08 14:54:17 <JaMa> morphis: FWIW I'm fine in integrating it in master
Jul 08 14:54:52 <JaMa> morphis: I think that nobody is depending on master to provide usable image in every build
Jul 08 14:55:13 <JaMa> so couple of weeks for integrating it in default build sounds good to me
Jul 08 14:55:57 <Tofe> JaMa: for my part, I can promise I won't break the image build with my QML commits :p
Jul 08 15:00:50 <JaMa> I wouldn't blame you even if you do, you with morphis are doing incredible job
Jul 08 15:34:58 <morphis> JaMa: thanks :)
Jul 08 17:25:07 <GodGinrai> hey scoutcamper|away, message me when you get a chance
Jul 08 17:59:07 <GodGinrai> hey morphis, you there?
Jul 08 18:22:40 <morphis> GodGinrai: partially, just write what you want
Jul 08 18:23:30 <GodGinrai> Do you have any insight into what is going on w/ the webOS and Enyo teams currently?
Jul 08 18:24:39 * HaDAk knows
Jul 08 18:24:40 <GodGinrai> Things are looking pretty bleak in #enyojs, so I wanted to find out what's going on. :/
Jul 08 18:24:41 * HaDAk cannot say
Jul 08 18:26:38 <GodGinrai> HaDAk: I'm not interested in conjecture
Jul 08 18:27:16 <HaDAk> you didn't ask for opinions. you asked for insight into what's going on with the webos and enyo teams.
Jul 08 18:27:27 <HaDAk> i said, i know what's up with them.
Jul 08 18:27:30 <HaDAk> but i cannot tell you
Jul 08 18:27:34 <HaDAk> how is that conjecture?
Jul 08 18:29:40 <morphis> GodGinrai: what do you think is going on?
Jul 08 18:31:59 <Tofe> JaMa: thanks too :)
Jul 08 18:34:59 <GodGinrai> HaDAk: I can only guess that what you know is conjecture, because as far as I am aware, you have no connections to the team (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
Jul 08 18:35:08 <HaDAk> you are wrong.
Jul 08 18:35:59 <GodGinrai> morphis: It's not a matter of what I think is going on, it's a matter of what will happen while they aren't supporting the small user base they have
Jul 08 18:36:00 <morphis> GodGinrai: I can see a lot of changes going into https://github.com/openwebos and https://github.com/enyojs in last time
Jul 08 18:38:20 <morphis> GodGinrai: so you care about if they will support classic webOS as shiped by HP/Palm anymorre?
Jul 08 18:38:21 <GodGinrai> morphis: They have not been showing up in the channels, or if they have, have not been offering help to those who have been asking questions.
Jul 08 18:38:47 <GodGinrai> nah, mainly Enyo 2
Jul 08 18:39:00 <GodGinrai> They have not added any new documentation
Jul 08 18:39:31 <GodGinrai> and the sprint for Enyo 2.3 was supposed to end at the end of April, yet they still haven't released it
Jul 08 18:40:14 <GodGinrai> Whether they are doing work on the code or not, this lack of attention for their users will kill Enyo
Jul 08 18:41:16 <GodGinrai> I'm similarly concerned for OWO, because there used to be monthly updates, yet those no longer happen anymore. :/
Jul 08 18:41:25 <morphis> GodGinrai: you're absolutely right on this ..
Jul 08 18:42:44 <morphis> GodGinrai: I just can tell you webOS ports is still alive and actively working on things :)
Jul 08 18:48:57 <HaDAk> GodGinrai: regardless of what they're working on, you could always pitch in on community efforts
Jul 08 18:49:09 <HaDAk> GodGinrai: perhaps it's a simple matter of documentation? maybe you can write some?
Jul 08 18:50:09 <GodGinrai> The thing we are most lacking in documentation for is the MVC code
Jul 08 18:50:24 <GodGinrai> and I don't know how that works
Jul 08 18:50:32 <HaDAk> MVC?
Jul 08 18:50:39 <GodGinrai> So I wouldn't be able to document it
Jul 08 20:14:55 <morphis> JaMa: can you have a look at building maliit in OE with qt5?
Jul 08 20:25:26 <JaMa> yes
Jul 08 20:34:39 <EricBlade> hey guys. i got an offer for a asus nexus 7 for $200. is that the other device that owos is working on? and is that a decent deal?
Jul 08 20:37:11 <JaMa> EricBlade: is it with GSM or WiFi?
Jul 08 20:37:31 <EricBlade> i didn't know there was a gsm model. let me check.
Jul 08 20:39:01 <JaMa> and how big is internal mem? They are quite cheap (I bought 32G one at Frys for 250$, 16G is 200$ and I was told there were few 8GB versions even cheaper)
Jul 08 20:39:17 <EricBlade> looks like it's a 32gb wifi
Jul 08 20:39:38 <JaMa> then 200$ looks good and in OE it's called grouper
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