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Jul 19 03:04:21 <ka6sox> Amish, same answer as before
Jul 19 03:04:32 <ka6sox> use impostah to change user
Jul 19 03:16:50 <Amish> I did
Jul 19 03:16:57 <Amish> it said successful
Jul 19 03:41:21 <ka6sox> appcat is not our app...and I don't know who to even ask about it
Jul 19 03:48:05 <Amish> sorry
Jul 19 03:49:32 <ka6sox> just trying to even find someone to talk to about this
Jul 19 03:53:45 <dwc-> periodically I've had errors with the appcat on a properly/normally activated device
Jul 19 03:54:01 <dwc-> for awhile, my pre3 had a non-functional appcatalog after one of the catalog updates
Jul 19 03:54:16 <ka6sox> ya, I need to update my devices today
Jul 19 03:54:21 <dwc-> I never figured out why
Jul 19 03:54:25 <dwc-> not the last one, this was awhile ago
Jul 19 05:25:08 <morphis> LarrySteeze: pong
Jul 19 07:45:37 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: No finished build for breakfast :)
Jul 19 07:45:57 <stefan_schmidt_w> I used the webos-ports setup scripts and the makefile and then tried to build MACHINE=maguro bb webos-ports-dev-image
Jul 19 07:46:09 <stefan_schmidt_w> Errored out in some qt recipe
Jul 19 07:46:25 <stefan_schmidt_w> I guess I should have switched to some other branches? Not master?
Jul 19 07:47:08 <stefan_schmidt_w> I will give this another try in the evening
Jul 19 07:57:32 <Tofe> morning !
Jul 19 07:57:45 <stefan_schmidt_w> morning Tofe
Jul 19 08:01:28 <morphis> Tofe: monring
Jul 19 08:02:00 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: hm, the howto still says master ... thats wrong
Jul 19 08:02:09 <morphis> https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-ports-setup/blob/dylan/Makefile is correct
Jul 19 08:02:43 <stefan_schmidt_w> morphis: ah, I had a feeling that it might be hidden in some branch :)
Jul 19 08:02:50 <morphis> :)
Jul 19 08:02:54 <stefan_schmidt_w> Will use that one tonight
Jul 19 08:03:03 <morphis> yeah we created different branches to track the different oe-core releases
Jul 19 08:04:28 <stefan_schmidt_w> make sense
Jul 19 08:05:01 <stefan_schmidt_w> Docs just set me on the wrong path. Which is good as we now know they are not up to date :)
Jul 19 08:09:09 <morphis> yes
Jul 19 08:09:12 <morphis> I fixed them already
Jul 19 08:11:14 <stefan_schmidt_w> cool
Jul 19 08:36:28 <ka6sox> morning stefan_schmidt_w Tofe
Jul 19 08:36:37 <stefan_schmidt_w> hi ka6sox
Jul 19 08:37:04 <ka6sox> I see it doesn't go too well yet in portsville
Jul 19 08:37:16 <ka6sox> but you found a documentation error..this is good.
Jul 19 08:47:14 <bhuey> hey ka6sox
Jul 19 08:47:29 <ka6sox> mourning bhuey :)
Jul 19 08:49:22 <bhuey> how's it going ?
Jul 19 08:50:33 <ka6sox> buzy...went to Palomar Mountain last weekend...twaz fun
Jul 19 08:52:49 <bhuey> oh shit, I live down here
Jul 19 08:52:53 <bhuey> good
Jul 19 08:53:05 <bhuey> this was for the telescope event that went on Saturday ?
Jul 19 08:53:15 <bhuey> A friend of mine was in Escondido for something like that.
Jul 19 08:54:15 <ka6sox> yes
Jul 19 08:54:34 <bhuey> I wish I had gone and introduced the two of you actually
Jul 19 08:54:48 <ka6sox> that would have been fun
Jul 19 08:55:07 <ka6sox> Oceanside had the event and then I went to visit with a friend on saturday night
Jul 19 08:55:17 <stefan_schmidt_w> ka6sox: yeah, good enough for now. Will give the build another try tonight
Jul 19 08:55:27 <ka6sox> okay good.
Jul 19 08:55:32 <ka6sox> stefan_schmidt_w, ^^
Jul 19 08:55:52 <stefan_schmidt_w> Just spent 10 minutes yesterday to set it up and let it run overnight. No real time lost :)
Jul 19 08:56:13 <ka6sox> easy for an olde hand at OE :)
Jul 19 08:56:35 <stefan_schmidt_w> yeah
Jul 19 08:56:45 <stefan_schmidt_w> Need to come back to my old skill level thought
Jul 19 08:57:08 <ka6sox> like riding a bicycle
Jul 19 08:57:08 <stefan_schmidt_w> though
Jul 19 08:57:09 <stefan_schmidt_w> :)
Jul 19 08:57:24 <stefan_schmidt_w> Thats what I hope :)
Jul 19 09:03:18 <ka6sox> okay...time for me to sleep.
Jul 19 09:03:20 <ka6sox> nite all
Jul 19 13:05:01 <steve_j> hello
Jul 19 13:05:13 <steve_j> ?
Jul 19 13:18:37 <HaDAk> hello
Jul 19 13:29:11 <morphis> HaDAk: hey
Jul 19 13:29:18 <HaDAk> yo
Jul 19 13:29:28 <HaDAk> what's going on morphis?
Jul 19 13:29:36 <morphis> HaDAk:  a lot :)
Jul 19 13:29:42 <HaDAk> do tell :)
Jul 19 13:32:01 <morphis> give me a moment
Jul 19 16:10:32 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: Started a new build with the dylan makefile.
Jul 19 16:10:34 <stefan_schmidt> http://pastebin.com/SrF0aQsE
Jul 19 16:10:45 <stefan_schmidt> That should hopefully be a better build config
Jul 19 16:10:54 <stefan_schmidt> Will let you know how it went
Jul 19 16:16:23 <ka6sox> :)
Jul 19 16:16:53 <HaDAk> morphis: ping
Jul 19 16:32:53 <stefan_schmidt> hmm, NOTE: Preparing runqueue should not take over 5 minutes on a i7 with 8GB ram, or should it?
Jul 19 16:33:11 <stefan_schmidt> ok, now that I wrote about it it started
Jul 19 16:33:26 <stefan_schmidt> it really just wanted some attention it seems
Jul 19 16:36:46 <JaMa> do you have SSTATE_MIRROR enabled?
Jul 19 16:36:58 <JaMa> if yes then it was probably accessing it for those 5 minutes
Jul 19 16:37:20 <scoutcamper> i was just going to say the same thing
Jul 19 16:38:37 <stefan_schmidt> Haven't enabled or disabled it
Jul 19 16:38:52 <stefan_schmidt> So it was waiting for a timeout on the network connection?
Jul 19 16:39:03 <stefan_schmidt> let me check
Jul 19 16:39:49 <stefan_schmidt> SSTATE_MIRRORS ?= "file://.* http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports/sstate-cache/PATH"
Jul 19 16:39:57 <stefan_schmidt> So it is enabled by default
Jul 19 16:40:21 <stefan_schmidt> Seems something I want to disable :)
Jul 19 16:40:36 <JaMa> yes it was checking existence of many files there
Jul 19 16:40:49 <JaMa> if you have fast network it will speedup your build
Jul 19 16:41:08 <stefan_schmidt> hmm, its like 24MB here
Jul 19 16:41:20 <JaMa> if you're running the same metadata
Jul 19 16:41:27 <JaMa> that should be fine
Jul 19 16:41:46 <stefan_schmidt> good
Jul 19 16:42:17 <stefan_schmidt> I was just wondering what the heck takes so long to create the runqueue :)
Jul 19 16:43:31 <stefan_schmidt> The mirror is updated from an autobuilder?
Jul 19 16:43:38 <JaMa> yes
Jul 19 16:44:21 <stefan_schmidt> ok
Jul 19 16:46:50 <ka6sox> why did that happen?
Jul 19 17:37:33 <morphis> HaDAk: pong, sorry had not enough time :)
Jul 19 17:37:35 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: but you only can use it when you're on ubuntu 12.04
Jul 19 17:37:47 <morphis> JaMa: we still have to set WEBOS_DISTRO_RELEASE_CODENAME = "webos-<unknown>" :)
Jul 19 17:38:12 <HaDAk> morphis: you said "just a moment" and left for four hours :P
Jul 19 17:38:26 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: yeah, I figured that from JaMa saying only if the metadata matches. As I'm on debian unstable it was only searching but not finding anything
Jul 19 17:38:27 <morphis> yeah
Jul 19 17:38:31 <morphis> sorry for that
Jul 19 17:38:35 <stefan_schmidt> Dsiabled the SSTATE mirror for now
Jul 19 17:38:42 <stefan_schmidt> no need to be sorry
Jul 19 17:38:47 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: ok
Jul 19 17:38:51 <stefan_schmidt> Need to learn the new stuff in OE :)
Jul 19 17:38:57 <morphis> HaDAk: you heard about Luna Next?
Jul 19 17:39:05 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: yeah there has a lot changed
Jul 19 17:39:47 <HaDAk> morphis: negative
Jul 19 17:40:36 <morphis> http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Luna_Next
Jul 19 17:40:52 <morphis> it's mostly about prototyping a new luna ui
Jul 19 17:41:08 <morphis> minimal but effective and maintainable
Jul 19 17:41:44 <HaDAk> what's with dat choorp icon? >.>
Jul 19 17:41:45 <Herrie> Morphis->What are the reasons for new luna ui?
Jul 19 17:42:28 <Herrie> Hadak-> I added that as an example for Device Menu
Jul 19 17:42:34 <HaDAk> oh
Jul 19 17:42:40 <Herrie> Choorps reworked device menu is quite good
Jul 19 17:42:50 <Herrie> Gives you access to settings more easily compared to legacy one
Jul 19 17:42:55 <Herrie> Love it on my Veer
Jul 19 17:45:00 <morphis> Herrie: mostly maintainability and future readiness
Jul 19 17:45:20 <HaDAk> i'd still like to see the widget bar i was rooting for before.
Jul 19 17:45:25 <morphis> LSM/WAM are mostly bloated with a lot of stuff and it's rendering stack isn't easy to handle
Jul 19 17:45:51 <morphis> HaDAk: so we're starting from scratch and porting things step by step over
Jul 19 17:46:06 <HaDAk> morphis: it looks good. if i make a feature request, will it fall on deaf ears?
Jul 19 17:46:23 <morphis> HaDAk: currently two people are working on it
Jul 19 17:46:28 <morphis> so we have to priorize
Jul 19 17:46:34 <HaDAk> i understand
Jul 19 17:46:38 <morphis> and the community is definitly hear to help with that
Jul 19 17:46:40 <Herrie> Ah ok makes sense... No good to fix something broken beyong repair. Starting from scratch can improve performance quite significantly I guess and when you code properly it's easier to maintain too :)
Jul 19 17:46:46 <morphis> HaDAk: so just tell and we will see
Jul 19 17:46:56 <HaDAk> i can do better than tell. give me a moment to dig up the link.
Jul 19 17:46:57 <morphis> Herrie: for sure
Jul 19 17:47:15 <morphis> Herrie: we will remove a lot of things and just keep what we really need
Jul 19 17:47:26 <morphis> so for example I am mostly about to kick off PalmSystem
Jul 19 17:47:45 <Herrie> I guess QT5 will also help seeing that lots of things could be nasty hacks in QT 4.x ?
Jul 19 17:52:07 <morphis> Herrie: for sure
Jul 19 17:53:29 <morphis> Herrie: like hardware accelerated video playback, camera access, ...
Jul 19 17:54:17 <stefan_schmidt> you should be able to do all this with buffer sharing in wayland
Jul 19 17:54:17 <HaDAk> there it is, morphis
Jul 19 17:54:18 <HaDAk> http://www.webosnation.com/sites/webosnation.com/files/resource_images/j/jose-b.jpg
Jul 19 17:54:25 <HaDAk> the widget deck.
Jul 19 17:54:28 <HaDAk> i really dig that idea.
Jul 19 17:55:33 <HaDAk> i tried to hack it in to webosce
Jul 19 17:55:51 <HaDAk> but ran into problems because card view was rendering directly onto the desktop
Jul 19 17:56:04 <HaDAk> i couldn't figure out how to encapsulate it
Jul 19 17:56:19 <HaDAk> anyway. since you're rewriting anyway. maybe you can keep that in mind. :)
Jul 19 17:56:22 <Herrie> Huh where does this mockup come from? Never saw that one before....
Jul 19 17:56:37 <HaDAk> not sure. i've had it bookmarked for a long time though
Jul 19 17:57:10 <Herrie> Looks quite official like something they were planning to do @ Palm but never got to...
Jul 19 17:57:12 <HaDAk> mostly because i really love the implementation of the widgets
Jul 19 17:57:33 <Herrie> What does PalmSystem do exactly? I couldn't really find anything useful with a quick Google...
Jul 19 17:58:05 <Herrie> Let me add it to the "features" :P
Jul 19 17:58:40 <HaDAk> thanks herrie :)
Jul 19 17:59:27 <JaMa> stefan_schmidt: morphis: you can use it from any distro, only the native recipes won't be reused from sstate
Jul 19 17:59:36 <JaMa> but target recipes will be
Jul 19 18:00:15 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: hmm, that did not seem to have worked for me
Jul 19 18:00:30 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: I will have on eye on it the next time I start a build
Jul 19 18:00:37 <JaMa> have you seen some _setscene tasks executed?
Jul 19 18:00:38 <HaDAk> Herrie: while you're at it, what about side-by-side card view? http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/903885/PreSpecs_medium.jpg
Jul 19 18:00:52 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: Tons.
Jul 19 18:01:01 <JaMa> stefan_schmidt: then it was used :)
Jul 19 18:01:07 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: Hmm, ok
Jul 19 18:01:25 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: But it still gives me like 5000 tasks to compile after 1200 setscene
Jul 19 18:01:40 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: So setscene means unpacking sstate?
Jul 19 18:02:18 <Herrie> Done ;)
Jul 19 18:02:25 <Herrie> http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Luna_Next
Jul 19 18:02:44 <Herrie> WidgetDeck, Minimize and Side-by-side card view added to optional features
Jul 19 18:03:58 <Herrie> New Nexus 7 supposedly has wireless charging.....
Jul 19 18:04:11 <Herrie> Google so innovative these days....
Jul 19 18:04:11 <JaMa> stefan_schmidt: yes
Jul 19 18:04:21 <ka6sox> Herrie, optional right?
Jul 19 18:04:24 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: interesting. Good to know :)
Jul 19 18:04:26 <ka6sox> not *required"
Jul 19 18:05:01 <beekay201> hi all
Jul 19 18:05:28 <morphis> HaDAk: please add this to the wiki
Jul 19 18:05:37 <Herrie> Not sure: http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagenormal/1374253909.jpeg
Jul 19 18:05:48 <beekay201> yay, a new 7" tab
Jul 19 18:05:48 <Herrie> Seems like a standard features, but could be for a specific version...
Jul 19 18:06:22 <morphis> HaDAk, Herrie: all theses feature are really nice
Jul 19 18:06:43 <morphis> we will keep them in the wiki and once we have the current UI reimplemented I think we can consider or not
Jul 19 18:06:55 <morphis> depends on what the team, the community wants
Jul 19 18:07:04 <morphis> but currently we're facing a lot of technical problems
Jul 19 18:07:08 <morphis> which need to be solved first
Jul 19 18:10:35 <Herrie> Morphis-> Agree, could be optional with enabling/disabling in settings or Tweaks alike program?
Jul 19 18:12:01 <Herrie> Does anyone know an Android app to check battery health?
Jul 19 18:12:07 <Herrie> SImilar to Dr. Battery on webOS?
Jul 19 18:12:22 <HaDAk> morphis: i figure, if you don't have any widgets enabled, the card view will just take up the whole screen, like it does now
Jul 19 18:12:24 <morphis> Herrie: for sure
Jul 19 18:12:48 <morphis> HaDAk: ok, we're implementing the luna shell ui as replacable component written completely in QML
Jul 19 18:13:00 <morphis> so everyone can replace it with an own variant
Jul 19 18:13:08 <HaDAk> neat.
Jul 19 18:13:16 <HaDAk> but don't expect me to write anything
Jul 19 18:13:21 <HaDAk> unless it's html
Jul 19 18:13:22 <morphis> so even if we don't accept things in the core it's possible to do a separate implementation and let the user choose
Jul 19 18:13:22 <HaDAk> lol
Jul 19 18:13:45 <Herrie> QML looks quite like Enyo when it comes to structure according to the few samples I saw :D
Jul 19 18:14:07 <HaDAk> you might want to locally cache those images in the wiki, instead of linking to external sources
Jul 19 18:14:12 <HaDAk> lest they disappear and we have no cache
Jul 19 18:14:20 <Herrie> Yeah will do that, agree ;)
Jul 19 18:14:40 <HaDAk> i'm glad that you guys agree those features are good.
Jul 19 18:14:43 <morphis> HaDAk, Herrie: we mostly need a strong community supporitng us with the project
Jul 19 18:14:43 <Herrie> Was just lazy, need to do lots of work on the Wiki still, was feeling like shit since last Friday some funny flue bug
Jul 19 18:14:46 <morphis> otherwise we're lost
Jul 19 18:14:47 <HaDAk> i had trouble getting them to adopt them for owo
Jul 19 18:14:51 <HaDAk> erm, woce
Jul 19 18:15:03 <HaDAk> morphis: i'm all in.
Jul 19 18:15:06 <Herrie> Finally starting to feel better ;)
Jul 19 18:15:09 <morphis> :)
Jul 19 18:15:11 <morphis> great
Jul 19 18:15:17 <morphis> even if you're not coding
Jul 19 18:15:17 <HaDAk> morphis: i will alpha-beta-prerelease test
Jul 19 18:15:29 <morphis> HaDAk: what kind of device do you have?
Jul 19 18:15:29 <HaDAk> i will offer QA and input
Jul 19 18:15:31 <Herrie> Need to do some things around the house but should have some time for Wiki as well....
Jul 19 18:15:36 <HaDAk> i've got a touchpad and a verizon pre2
Jul 19 18:15:49 <morphis> ok, both will not captable of running the UI
Jul 19 18:15:59 <morphis> but someone should go up and add it to build-desktop
Jul 19 18:16:00 <Herrie> Got a Huawei P1 laying here, not mine but is open... Has OMAP4 dual core so quite OK, would need to cook a recipe for it though ;)
Jul 19 18:16:12 <HaDAk> morphis: i've got a lot of other stuff…what's the target platform?
Jul 19 18:16:29 <morphis> N7 and galaxy neuxs
Jul 19 18:16:30 <HaDAk> i've got a nexus 7, too
Jul 19 18:16:55 <Herrie> Got a Huawei P2 too, but nothing open sourced yet, did some inquiries seems that it might take another 3-6 months before they'll open source it... At least I got hold of the kernel coding guy ;)
Jul 19 18:17:17 <Herrie> He was so nice to leave his email address in the source code for the P1 so looked him up on our internal IM system :D
Jul 19 18:17:45 <HaDAk> Herrie: you work at huawei?
Jul 19 18:18:21 <Herrie> YEah, nothing technical but yes :P
Jul 19 18:18:26 <HaDAk> neat.
Jul 19 18:18:27 <Herrie> Can get employee discount on phones ;)
Jul 19 18:18:29 <HaDAk> hah.
Jul 19 18:18:37 <HaDAk> i still don't know how to prounounce huawei
Jul 19 18:18:52 <Herrie> Nothing too much but 25% off lowest retail here in Europe :)
Jul 19 18:19:03 <Herrie> A bit like "who are we
Jul 19 18:19:24 <Herrie> But sounds more like wha-wei
Jul 19 18:19:36 <Herrie> Nobody really knows LOL
Jul 19 18:19:37 <HaDAk> i need a nexus 4 replacement. had mine a couple months, fumbled it, shattered the back and broke the front. when i took it to a shop to replace the screen, they ruined the microphone. it'll cost more to repair it now than buying a new phone :|
Jul 19 18:19:48 <Herrie> Even the CHinese in the office don't know and have different pronounciations LOL
Jul 19 18:19:51 <HaDAk> Herrie: that's awesome. lol.
Jul 19 18:20:34 <HaDAk> my flight out of boston just got delayed :(
Jul 19 18:20:37 <HaDAk> fuck this place.
Jul 19 18:20:38 <HaDAk> it's too hot.
Jul 19 18:21:16 <HaDAk> 96.3 °F Heat Index:	 102 °F
Jul 19 18:21:23 <HaDAk> ugh
Jul 19 18:21:49 <HaDAk> oh look. it's the same at home.
Jul 19 18:21:58 <Herrie> 96f is OK.... Was the same when I was in Uzbekistan, Singapore and Hungary for a month in a row :P
Jul 19 18:21:59 <HaDAk> hah, i guess it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other
Jul 19 18:22:16 <Herrie> Here only 77f for most of the week..
Jul 19 18:22:17 <HaDAk> i'm just looking forward to my europe vacation in a couple weeks
Jul 19 18:22:23 <HaDAk> hey, wait. Herrie, you're from europe, right?
Jul 19 18:22:26 <Herrie> Yeah ;)
Jul 19 18:22:32 <Herrie> Amsterdam ;)
Jul 19 18:22:39 <HaDAk> dude! i'll be there! we should meet up :D
Jul 19 18:22:44 <HaDAk> also, i need some advice
Jul 19 18:22:46 <Herrie> Yes we should!
Jul 19 18:22:50 <Herrie> When you'll be around!
Jul 19 18:23:27 <HaDAk> i think we'll be there the 18th through the 21st. i think.
Jul 19 18:23:31 <HaDAk> i'll have ot check with my friend.
Jul 19 18:23:36 <HaDAk> we haven't found a hotel yet. maybe you can help?
Jul 19 18:23:50 <HaDAk> also, i need to figure out a pre-paid sim card, so i can have data (maps, translations, etc)
Jul 19 18:23:55 <HaDAk> any suggestions/advice there?
Jul 19 18:24:17 <Herrie> I should be around, but never know with Chinese, they might put a trip in my agenda with short notice :P
Jul 19 18:24:27 <Herrie> Which countries you'll visit?
Jul 19 18:24:45 <HaDAk> france, sweden, holland, austria, germany
Jul 19 18:24:52 <HaDAk> austria for a short layover
Jul 19 18:25:06 <HaDAk> i think DT covers all those countries
Jul 19 18:25:24 <Herrie> Holland sim-card is quite expensive :( We have most expensive data from pretty much whole Europe :(
Jul 19 18:25:41 <HaDAk> is holland covered by DT?
Jul 19 18:27:19 <HaDAk> ugh. being pulled aside for a meeting. back in a bit.
Jul 19 18:27:35 <Herrie> Yeah we have T-Mobile which is Deutsche Telekom
Jul 19 18:29:10 <Herrie> Vodafone might be an OK option, EUR 2/day for 35MB, 20 mins outgoing, 20 mins incoming and 20 texts/day
Jul 19 18:31:35 <Herrie> Vodafone prepaid. Just add balance and for EUR 2/day you can use it in all your countries :) There's quite a lot of free wifi around as well, so you should be OK
Jul 19 18:32:50 <KyleMaas> Anyone have EricBlade's e-mail handy?
Jul 19 18:38:36 <HaDAk> Eric Blade <blade.eric@gmail.com>
Jul 19 18:38:59 <HaDAk> Herrie: i don't care about text or voice, just data. need lots of it.
Jul 19 18:41:15 <Herrie> Ehm lots will be difficult... They'll charge you 30c/MB probably :(
Jul 19 18:41:33 <Herrie> This EUR 2/day is the best deal on a NL sim-card. Not sure about other countries, but probably the same...
Jul 19 18:41:43 <Herrie> Which country first? France?
Jul 19 18:44:00 <HaDAk> yes
Jul 19 18:44:02 <HaDAk> we land in paris
Jul 19 18:44:05 <HaDAk> spend a week there
Jul 19 18:51:57 <Herrie> For France, see http://www.ausbt.com.au/the-best-sim-cards-for-voice-and-mobile-internet-data-in-france
Jul 19 18:52:05 <Herrie> Seems there are some options, all a pain though :P
Jul 19 19:15:14 <KyleMaas> HaDAk: Cool.  Thanks!
Jul 19 19:18:17 <HaDAk> Herrie: am i going to end up buying a new card for each country? :(
Jul 19 19:18:45 <HaDAk> oh
Jul 19 19:18:47 <HaDAk> um
Jul 19 19:18:49 <HaDAk> reading the article now
Jul 19 19:18:52 <HaDAk> it says "don't do it."
Jul 19 19:19:19 <HaDAk> i wonder if i could get my brother to pick one up, as he lives in germany
Jul 19 19:19:29 <Herrie> Yeah LOL.. Card for each country is the cheapest if you're doing data only. Not sure how much data you need?
Jul 19 19:20:59 <HaDAk> dunno.
Jul 19 19:21:11 <HaDAk> but i've got offline maps, and i downloaded the google translate languages for the countries i'll be in
Jul 19 19:21:17 <HaDAk> maybe i'll skip, and just use wifi when it's available
Jul 19 20:01:26 <stefan_schmidt> HaDAk: In Europe its all roaming between the countries. And thats not really cheap for data.
Jul 19 20:01:44 <HaDAk> i figured DT covered everybody :(
Jul 19 20:01:50 <stefan_schmidt> HaDAk: Even if it is the same carrier in all countries you would still roam :(
Jul 19 20:01:58 <HaDAk> so dumb.
Jul 19 20:02:05 <stefan_schmidt> indeed
Jul 19 20:02:05 <HaDAk> well, count me out then.
Jul 19 20:02:18 <HaDAk> anyway, gentlemen. i need to catch a plane, so i can kick a server and RMA a hard drive.
Jul 19 20:02:19 <HaDAk> toodles.
Jul 19 20:02:36 <stefan_schmidt> EU commission is working on getting the roaming charges low but still it seem plain dumb
Jul 19 20:02:49 <stefan_schmidt> Europe is really a lot little countries in the end
Jul 19 20:03:04 <stefan_schmidt> at leats compared to US, canada, Australia, etc
Jul 19 20:04:11 <stefan_schmidt> morphis, JaMa: /webos-ports/meta-qt5/recipes-qt/qt5/qtbase-native_5.0.2.bb, do_compile) failed
Jul 19 20:04:16 <stefan_schmidt> Let me search the actual error
Jul 19 20:04:30 <stefan_schmidt> | ../../include/QtCore/../../../qtbase-opensource-src-5.0.2/src/corelib/global/qglobal.h:483:55: error: no match for 'operator>=' (operand types are 'const timeval' and 'int')
Jul 19 20:04:31 <stefan_schmidt> |  Q_DECL_CONSTEXPR inline T qAbs(const T &t) { return t >= 0 ? t : -t; }
Jul 19 20:04:41 <stefan_schmidt> Seen this before?
Jul 19 20:06:42 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: not really
Jul 19 20:07:43 <stefan_schmidt> ok
Jul 19 20:08:21 <stefan_schmidt> trying a clean state and rebuild
Jul 19 20:08:50 <JaMa> stefan_schmidt: distro with gcc-4.8?
Jul 19 20:09:06 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: yup
Jul 19 20:09:09 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: 4.8.1
Jul 19 20:09:16 <stefan_schmidt> stricter rules in gcc?
Jul 19 20:09:20 <JaMa> see target qtbase for patch
Jul 19 20:09:38 <stefan_schmidt> ok, will put that into the native recipe
Jul 19 20:09:41 <stefan_schmidt> thanks a lot
Jul 19 20:09:51 <JaMa> this one https://github.com/meta-qt5/meta-qt5/commit/6f4e86b62121c94b36e89b8bd7de50099733547f
Jul 19 20:10:03 <JaMa> yes, please send patch after testing it
Jul 19 20:10:20 <JaMa> I'm using 4.7 in my gentoo chroot so I haven't tested it in -native yet
Jul 19 20:10:33 <stefan_schmidt> will do once I have it sorted out
Jul 19 20:10:50 <stefan_schmidt> No idea if I come to this tonight but I will try
Jul 19 20:11:00 <JaMa> thanks
Jul 19 20:42:35 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: ok, worked out fine. I have a patch here for you. How do you want to get it? Not really worth a pull request but I can do a git send mail to oe-devel if you want
Jul 19 20:47:59 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: done just that. Without meta-qt prefix though as git send-email was not happy about it
Jul 19 20:58:55 <JaMa> both works for me
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