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Aug 01 05:21:05 <Herrie> Darakian-> The http://www.webosnation.com/sites/webosnation.com/files/resource_images/j/jose-b.jpg is a concept that was created by one of the webOS Nation users in some kind of concept. It had some nice ideas so added these as optional new features for Luna Next. The new device menu is Choorp's creation and might be a good alternative compared to the dull old one. I'm using it on my Veer
Aug 01 05:21:05 <Herrie> an quite like it. Could be made optional with Tweaks or somewhere else so you could choose :)
Aug 01 05:25:07 <Herrie> Morphis, can you give me access to Trello too? Might be able to keep track of my to-do list as well there? Or you want to keep it clean for development?
Aug 01 05:33:41 <morphis> Herrie: no, I can do that
Aug 01 05:34:18 <morphis> Herrie: just need your account name
Aug 01 05:41:26 <Herrie> I connect with my GOogle account....
Aug 01 05:41:39 <Herrie> herrie82 (at) gmail (dot) com
Aug 01 05:42:33 <Herrie> But can register a dedicated account if easier ;)
Aug 01 06:07:44 <morphis> Herrie: added
Aug 01 06:09:37 <Herrie> Thnx :)
Aug 01 14:02:54 <Tofe> ah, I wanted to ask something on #qt-quick, but looks like I'm banned :(
Aug 01 14:04:16 <Tofe> morphis: maybe you know... I just want to do "import Qt.labs.gestures 1.0" in my QML file, but it says that it doesn't exist. I see it in the "imports" folder, but maybe that's something else ?
Aug 01 14:12:10 <morphis> Tofe: in which imports folder do you see it?
Aug 01 14:12:12 <morphis> Tofe: https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qqmlengine.html#importPathList
Aug 01 14:12:14 <morphis> you maybe have to export QML2_IMPORT_PATH as environment variable with the right path
Aug 01 14:12:16 <morphis> in our images the std. imports directory isn't correctly set
Aug 01 14:14:44 <morphis> Tofe: btw. there is one thing I wanted to discuss with you
Aug 01 14:15:08 <Tofe> morphis: yes ?
Aug 01 14:15:31 <morphis> currently we're using a QQuickView on the C++ site
Aug 01 14:15:46 <morphis> but I would like to use just a QQmlEngine instead
Aug 01 14:16:09 <morphis> so we're exporting the luna::Compositor class as component to QML which then forms the root item for everything
Aug 01 14:16:33 <Tofe> (plugin cannot be loaded for module "Qt.labs.gestures": Unknown error  <-- yepee )
Aug 01 14:16:46 <morphis> yeah! one step closer :)
Aug 01 14:18:23 <Tofe> mmmh so wait, because I'm beginning to write a "Compositor.qml" component, used also as the root; it is the same thing we're talking about ?
Aug 01 14:19:20 <Tofe> (it's visible in my current tofe/architecture-work branch, which is still in progress)
Aug 01 14:54:21 <morphis> Tofe: yeah, sounds like the same :)
Aug 01 14:55:21 <morphis> it would make things easier to be reused in alternative shell implementations
Aug 01 14:56:03 <Tofe> yes
Aug 01 14:56:29 <morphis> Tofe: so the base class would be the native Compositor class implementation
Aug 01 14:59:03 <morphis> Tofe: but let me have a look at your work
Aug 01 15:00:56 <morphis> Tofe: you mean: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next/blob/tofe/architecture-work/src/compositor/qml/Compositor/Compositor.qml
Aug 01 15:01:46 <morphis> Tofe: we can use the name compositor class as base for this component
Aug 01 15:02:45 <Tofe> yes, I meant that one
Aug 01 15:02:54 <Tofe> morphis: ok
Aug 01 15:03:36 <Tofe> morphis: Anyway, I could as well rename it as a WindowManager, for what it does currently
Aug 01 15:26:22 <morphis> Tofe: hm
Aug 01 15:26:26 <morphis> why not
Aug 01 16:59:59 <morphis> JaMa: can you have a look at http://bpaste.net/show/TA2wsN8HWOXNOI8rbc47/ ?
Aug 01 17:05:25 <JaMa> morphis: I haven't seen this before, is there something special to reproduce it?
Aug 01 17:05:45 <morphis> I made luna-sysmgr-common not machine specifc as you know
Aug 01 17:05:58 <morphis> build it with this change for maguro and then for grouper
Aug 01 17:06:12 <morphis> first thing which is still wrong it's using STAGING_INCDIR
Aug 01 17:06:22 <morphis> which points to either maguro or grouper sysroot
Aug 01 17:06:37 <morphis> but the missing /lib/.. errors is something I can't explain
Aug 01 17:07:23 <JaMa> ok I'll look after EFL build is completed
Aug 01 17:08:14 <morphis> ok I going to fix the STAGING_INCDIR ones
Aug 01 17:13:31 <morphis> JaMa: but having the links to a machine specific sysroot in the makefiles doesn't look correct, or I am wrong?
Aug 01 17:14:36 <JaMa> there are only MACHINE specific sysroots now (unlike oe-classic)
Aug 01 17:15:05 <JaMa> what's dangerous is these paths in .pc/.la or other files packaged in sstate archives for populate-sysroot
Aug 01 17:15:18 <JaMa> like .prl/.prf files etc
Aug 01 17:16:07 <JaMa> if it's just Makefile used to build it (unlike Makefile in python which needs to be staged for python extensions to reuse it later) then it's fine
Aug 01 17:17:08 <morphis> just the Makefile
Aug 01 17:17:41 <morphis> but maybe not as when you execute the build first for maguro and then for grouper it's executed again which should be the case
Aug 01 17:49:10 <morphis> JaMa: http://bpaste.net/show/PmbP7tgPBVabVUJSm3BZ/
Aug 01 17:56:00 <morphis> JaMa: hm "Hash for dependent task luna-prefs.bb.do_populate_sysroot changed from 9a0770190bcff69cc3fe5ca17b06b4d1 to 1a7acce22089c4200f4a0d3c3f4ee936"
Aug 01 17:56:28 <morphis> seems to be the reason for the build at least
Aug 01 18:00:17 <JaMa> morphis: ah right, so it's leaking into do_configure already making it MACHINE arch again
Aug 01 18:03:37 <morphis> yeah ..
Aug 01 18:03:42 <morphis> nar
Aug 01 19:04:17 <morphis> JaMa: ok, thats fixed all problems
Aug 01 19:12:42 <JaMa> great
Aug 01 20:10:14 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: The answers from Garfonso have been quite helpful. And the code should bring me forward as well.
Aug 01 20:10:48 <stefan_schmidt> Could anyone here shed some light on mojo vs enyo vs enyo2 for me?
Aug 01 20:10:51 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: I didn't got any mail
Aug 01 20:10:59 <stefan_schmidt> I mean which ones are used, which deprecated, etc
Aug 01 20:11:10 <stefan_schmidt> I don't really get it :)
Aug 01 20:11:12 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: mojo isn't part of OWO
Aug 01 20:11:20 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: hmm, let me check
Aug 01 20:11:23 <morphis> enyo1 and enyo2 are
Aug 01 20:11:30 <stefan_schmidt> maybe he forgot to reply to all?
Aug 01 20:11:35 <morphis> maybe :)
Aug 01 20:11:40 <stefan_schmidt> so mojo is the old stuff?
Aug 01 20:11:44 <morphis> yes
Aug 01 20:11:55 <morphis> enyo1 is also old pretty much tight to the touchpad
Aug 01 20:12:04 <stefan_schmidt> But can I use enyo on WebOS 2.2x and 3.x or only on OWO?
Aug 01 20:12:07 <morphis> so if you do something new do it with enyo2
Aug 01 20:12:18 <stefan_schmidt> hmm, ok
Aug 01 20:12:32 <morphis> enyo1 is available on webos 2.x and 3.x and OWO
Aug 01 20:13:03 <stefan_schmidt> but enyo2 would not work on the older versions I guess?
Aug 01 20:13:30 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: he did indeed only do a reply. Forwarded you his answers
Aug 01 20:13:48 <morphis> enyo2 works on 2.x and 3.x too
Aug 01 20:13:55 <stefan_schmidt> So enyo1 is the one I could use everywhere but enyo2 is better :)
Aug 01 20:14:03 <morphis> yes
Aug 01 20:14:06 <stefan_schmidt> ah
Aug 01 20:14:10 <morphis> we're trying to avoid enyo1
Aug 01 20:14:25 <morphis> as it doesn't scale applications nicely accross form factory
Aug 01 20:14:29 <morphis> s/factory/factors/
Aug 01 20:14:30 <stefan_schmidt> As long as enyo2 also works on 2.2.x and 3.x I'm fine
Aug 01 20:14:57 <stefan_schmidt> Just want to make sure the connector would be usable on WebOS hardware as well
Aug 01 20:15:10 <stefan_schmidt> doing it just for webos-ports would be a pity
Aug 01 20:15:32 <morphis> :)
Aug 01 20:16:07 <stefan_schmidt> sadly that also means that the custom validator I started with needs to be redone as I used mojo because that was also used in the SyncML connector :)
Aug 01 20:16:08 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.memos that one should be somewhere in the beta feeds
Aug 01 20:18:33 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: And is a good example of an enyo2 app I guess :)
Aug 01 20:18:42 <morphis> for sure
Aug 01 20:18:55 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: yeah, Garfonso's mail is very detailed
Aug 01 20:19:03 <stefan_schmidt> :)
Aug 01 20:19:11 <stefan_schmidt> Some good details
Aug 01 20:19:25 <stefan_schmidt> I liked the part that webos already has a vcard import and export
Aug 01 20:19:29 <stefan_schmidt> Didi not know that
Aug 01 20:19:40 <stefan_schmidt> Even if it seems a bit broken
Aug 01 20:19:50 <stefan_schmidt> Something we might can fix in OWO
Aug 01 20:21:49 <stefan_schmidt> *yawn*
Aug 01 20:22:19 <stefan_schmidt> Seems I will call it a day early today. Weather was so good that I was out wakeboarding. Feeling a bit exhaust now
Aug 01 20:24:02 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: hehe :)
Aug 01 20:24:23 <morphis> still sitting here and trying to come forward with my thesis ..
Aug 01 20:29:22 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: oh, I better stop distracting you then
Aug 01 20:29:29 <stefan_schmidt> I know how that feels
Aug 01 20:29:39 <morphis> =D
Aug 01 20:29:48 <morphis> I should really close the IRC client
Aug 01 20:29:56 <stefan_schmidt> you should
Aug 01 20:29:57 <morphis> but I already wrote three pages today
Aug 01 20:29:59 <stefan_schmidt> do it! :)
Aug 01 20:30:04 <stefan_schmidt> not to bad
Aug 01 20:30:09 <stefan_schmidt> quite good actually
Aug 01 20:30:10 <morphis> it's too late
Aug 01 20:30:22 <stefan_schmidt> but likely that you have to rewrite parts of it
Aug 01 20:30:30 <morphis> I will go sleeping soon anyway
Aug 01 20:30:35 <stefan_schmidt> :)
Aug 01 20:30:36 <morphis> yeah, but thats normal
Aug 01 20:30:42 <stefan_schmidt> jup
Aug 01 20:30:43 <morphis> I am still in the main writing phase
Aug 01 20:30:48 <stefan_schmidt> nothing to worry about
Aug 01 20:30:49 <morphis> correction phase is still coming
Aug 01 20:32:10 <stefan_schmidt> btw, your bouncer was running wild again today
Aug 01 20:32:21 <stefan_schmidt> You got at least banned from #wayland
Aug 01 20:32:24 <stefan_schmidt> maybe more
Aug 01 20:33:34 <morphis> yeah ... it's gone crazy .. don't know why but tweak some config options
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