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Aug 20 05:08:12 * Tofe likes helsinki airport wifi
Aug 20 05:09:58 <ka6sox> you are Helsinki now?
Aug 20 05:10:05 <Tofe> yep
Aug 20 05:10:20 <ka6sox> oh my
Aug 20 05:10:37 <Tofe> spent a week in Finland :)
Aug 20 05:12:46 <ka6sox> ah, heading home now?
Aug 20 05:13:18 <Tofe> yes, exactly
Aug 20 05:14:22 <Tofe> why ? are you in Helsinki too ?
Aug 20 05:27:08 <Tofe> mmmh gotta take this flight :) bye!
Aug 20 09:22:12 <morphis> Tofe|Away or anyone else: what should we use as default resolution for our emulator?
Aug 20 09:57:29 <morphis> JaMa: can you have a short look at http://bpaste.net/show/lndZSfd64nfAFhcYU4yy/ ?
Aug 20 10:06:09 <JaMa> morphis: yup, btw: I've pushed small rebase
Aug 20 10:06:23 <morphis> ok, rebuild needed?
Aug 20 10:06:40 <morphis> btw. I have luna-next mostly working in virtualbox
Aug 20 10:06:58 <morphis> the works already pretty fast
Aug 20 10:07:10 <JaMa> morphis: yes, but looks like I've missed to include something
Aug 20 10:07:59 <morphis> JaMa: running it with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/lib/llvm3.3/ works fine so either LD_LIBRARY_PATH is wrongly configured or the libs doesn't belong into the subdirectory
Aug 20 10:10:11 <JaMa> they are in subdirectory, because llvm should be installable in parallel
Aug 20 10:10:27 <JaMa> I wonder where is the best place for mesa to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH
Aug 20 10:12:30 <morphis> hm
Aug 20 11:38:53 <Tofe> morphis: depends, I would say, if you want a tablet-like view or a phone-like view. But something reasonably high, and at the same time which fits on our desktops, so at least qHD (960x540), or more (1280x720 ?)
Aug 20 12:11:50 <JaMa> morphis: someone said that there should be symlink from /usr/lib, rebuilding qemux86 image here to see why we don't have it
Aug 20 12:15:24 <morphis> Tofe: what do we prefer currently, phone or tablet?
Aug 20 12:23:17 <Tofe> morphis: I only own a tablet, I'm not very impartial
Aug 20 12:23:44 <Tofe> It's really not possible to have two modes ?
Aug 20 12:24:08 <Tofe> We'll have to test the orientation switch, someday
Aug 20 12:24:39 <morphis> Tofe: it's currently only a matter of setting the kernel module settings
Aug 20 12:24:44 <morphis> so you have to decide on boot what you want
Aug 20 12:24:53 <morphis> currently it's 1024x768
Aug 20 12:25:47 <Tofe> would be ok for me
Aug 20 12:27:30 <stefan_schmidt_w> The resolution of a tablet today is the resolution of a phone tomorrow :)
Aug 20 12:27:58 <Tofe> stefan_schmidt_w: I think it's even the same today :)
Aug 20 12:28:44 <stefan_schmidt_w> Tofe: depends, but yeah, getting close
Aug 20 12:29:14 <stefan_schmidt_w> If normal laptop screens or desk monitors would catch up now
Aug 20 12:29:27 <stefan_schmidt_w> there are some but not enough freedom to choose
Aug 20 12:30:37 <Tofe> yeah, those screen have been laid behind, as if they were only useful to watch a BR film... Noone *works* with a screen, in those industries ? ;)
Aug 20 12:31:27 <stefan_schmidt_w> work what? ;)
Aug 20 12:33:40 <morphis> Tofe: you saw the ScreenShooter?
Aug 20 12:35:24 <Tofe> morphis: yes, but I didn't yet have the time to see how to integrate it; do we need something in QML, or is it triggered by some key press ?
Aug 20 12:36:50 <Tofe> morphis: as far as I saw, some small QML code is needed; we could activate it with double-tap on the gesture area, for example
Aug 20 12:40:44 <morphis> Tofe: yes
Aug 20 12:41:09 <morphis> Tofe: you just need to put the component somewhere and then call screenShooter.capture("path/to/screenshot.png")
Aug 20 12:41:21 <morphis> it takes the content of the window the component belongs to
Aug 20 12:42:00 <Tofe> ok, yes, that's what I quickly saw
Aug 20 12:42:17 <Tofe> No problem, I'll integrate that.
Aug 20 12:42:58 <morphis> great
Aug 20 12:43:09 <morphis> Tofe: the new fps counter should be a lot better too
Aug 20 12:44:03 <Tofe> Yes, and I've put it into a Loader component, because unfortunately visible=false doesn't disable everything
Aug 20 12:44:32 <Tofe> It'll be part of my next PR, I just need to validate it on my tablet
Aug 20 13:25:28 <hhh_> Can somebody tell me how to build openwebos binaries with debug symbols
Aug 20 13:26:02 <hhh_> I do not want to install them separately using ipk packages
Aug 20 13:26:32 <hhh_> All the binaries in ext3 image should have debug symbols
Aug 20 13:30:28 <panda-z> just noticed it is preware's birthday, happy birthday
Aug 20 13:35:29 <morphis> hhh_: afaik there was some feature in oe-core to archive this but you should be aware that the resulting image will be pretty big
Aug 20 13:36:48 <hhh_> @morphis thanks, I am aware of that so I am using nfsroot for qemu, I will be grateful if somebody can give more information on this
Aug 20 13:37:11 <morphis> hhh_: set EXTRA_IMAGE_FEATURES = "dbg-pkgs" in your local.conf
Aug 20 13:37:59 <morphis> hhh_: more details are at http://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/conf/local.conf.sample#n110
Aug 20 13:39:32 <hhh_> @morphis will try that thanks
Aug 20 13:39:41 <morphis> hhh_: ok
Aug 20 15:59:22 <JaMa> morphis: btw I've dropped PR from newer wayland and lxc recipe, so last builds will report failure because of PV going backwards
Aug 20 16:01:55 <morphis> JaMa: ok
Aug 20 16:02:43 <Herrie> Sorry haven't been around last couple of days, bit hectic here (real life stuff etc). Any news on the restructuring on build.webos-ports.org?
Aug 20 16:02:57 <morphis> JaMa: I have some changes in morphis/work needed for qemux86* to run luna-next
Aug 20 16:03:02 <morphis> hope to merge them soon
Aug 20 16:03:14 <morphis> Herrie: yeah, good point
Aug 20 16:03:23 <Herrie> Should be a 5 min thing to fix ;)
Aug 20 16:03:24 <morphis> JaMa: staging feeds? :)
Aug 20 16:03:40 <Herrie> When I get to update build instructions on Wiki can put those in ;)
Aug 20 16:03:49 <Herrie> Well they're in already, just giving 404's atm ;)
Aug 20 16:04:09 <morphis> Herrie: I talked with JaMa to choose a little bit different scheme
Aug 20 16:04:36 <morphis> Herrie: it's mostly described here: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Stabilizing
Aug 20 16:06:01 <Herrie> OK
Aug 20 16:06:13 <Herrie> Well I'm fine with whatever way as long as we can link it
Aug 20 16:06:22 <Herrie> "latest" would do for me
Aug 20 16:09:31 <Herrie> Would need a fixed link to latest nightly and latest "stable"
Aug 20 16:11:36 <morphis> yes
Aug 20 16:11:41 <morphis> lets wait until JaMa  is back
Aug 20 16:14:25 <JaMa> Herrie: it's not implemented yet, but I'll look into it hopefully soon
Aug 20 16:14:42 * JaMa still busy with random build failures :/
Aug 20 16:14:49 <morphis> :)
Aug 20 16:14:59 <JaMa> and killing PREFERRED_VERSIONs :)
Aug 20 16:15:39 <morphis> JaMa: from the url format does look http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports-staging/<number>|latest fine?
Aug 20 16:16:12 <morphis> Herrie: in general not every stage contains a new image
Aug 20 16:16:42 <morphis> but I think in our case it mostly will as we're not building any additionals packagesets yet
Aug 20 16:17:07 <JaMa> just http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports-staging/latest
Aug 20 16:17:24 <JaMa> http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports-staging/<number> are individual "stages"
Aug 20 16:17:29 <morphis> yes
Aug 20 16:17:32 <JaMa> latest is symlink to latest closed one
Aug 20 16:18:13 <JaMa> and stable will continue to be in http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports/
Aug 20 16:18:15 <morphis> Herrie: so http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports-staging/latest/images/<machine name>/<image/kernel name> should be what you need to insert
Aug 20 16:18:48 <morphis> Herrie: and http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports/images/<machine name>/<image name> for stable ones
Aug 20 16:19:08 <morphis> Herrie: so unstable and stable is what we have as flavours
Aug 20 16:46:10 <Tofe> panda-z: yes, a typo, it's fixed in my oncomming PR
Aug 20 16:47:09 <Tofe> I didn't see it in my code review... I shouldn't have made a code review after a 3 hours night :)
Aug 20 16:50:50 <Tofe> morphis: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next/pull/30
Aug 20 16:52:31 <morphis> panda-z: thanks for spotting that!
Aug 20 16:52:34 <morphis> Tofe: will have a look
Aug 20 16:52:55 <morphis> Tofe: it would be great if you can write a short howto in our wiki how development with the qmlproject works
Aug 20 16:53:14 <morphis> Herrie can point you to the right corner of the wiki for that :)
Aug 20 16:53:23 <Tofe> morphis: yes, good idea
Aug 20 16:53:38 <morphis> requirements, steps, what to expect, ...
Aug 20 16:54:47 <morphis> Tofe: do you tested the application model with the service call?
Aug 20 16:59:27 <Tofe> no, not yet, I'm struggling a bit with bitbake to make it simply compile my luna-next srcrev...
Aug 20 17:00:27 <morphis> Tofe: use a local checkout
Aug 20 17:00:52 <Tofe> that's a easy way, yes, will try that
Aug 20 17:01:13 <morphis> add something like S_pn-luna-next = "/home/morphis/work/wop/work/luna-next" to your local.conf
Aug 20 17:01:22 <morphis> then run cleansstate for luna-next and recompile
Aug 20 17:02:01 <Tofe> good idea
Aug 20 17:02:59 <Tofe> oh, I forgot (again) to modify the qrc file. Okay, let's wait a bit for the PR, I'm rushing too much here.
Aug 20 17:13:58 <Tofe> ah, ok, it's because of the cmakelists.txt actually; I guess I will have to update the whole thing
Aug 20 17:14:09 <Tofe> (the reason why it didn't compile)
Aug 20 19:15:01 <Herrie> Morphis-> Thanks, when will these links be available?
Aug 20 19:51:20 <morphis> Herrie: as JaMa said: as soon as he has time to setup up staging feeds
Aug 20 20:42:26 <ka6sox> stefan_schmidt, ping?
Aug 20 20:42:34 <stefan_schmidt> ka6sox: pong
Aug 20 20:42:50 <ka6sox> on your doorstep tomorrow.
Aug 20 20:43:03 <stefan_schmidt> ka6sox: yay
Aug 20 20:43:06 <ka6sox> it will be there
Aug 20 20:43:08 <ka6sox> kk
Aug 20 20:43:11 * stefan_schmidt is excited :)
Aug 20 20:43:36 <JaMa> morphis: did you get egl_gallium.so only thanks to some change now only in morphis/work?
Aug 20 20:43:56 <JaMa> morphis: my qemux86 image just finished and it doesn't have egl_gallium at all (as well as libLLVM)
Aug 20 20:44:15 <ka6sox> JaMa, are we using Gold now?
Aug 20 20:44:42 <JaMa> y
Aug 20 20:44:49 <ka6sox> yay
Aug 20 20:46:42 <JaMa> morphis: I see now.. mesa: enable support for gallium and gallium-egl
Aug 20 20:50:36 <Tofe> morphis: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Luna_Next <-- I've added a first draft of information about QML dev on a desktop environment
Aug 20 21:01:01 <morphis> JaMa: yes
Aug 20 21:01:03 <morphis> Tofe|Away: ok
Aug 20 21:02:30 <morphis> JaMa: but if you want you can pick the patches for qemux86* already to master or I will push them tomorrow
Aug 20 21:08:17 <JaMa> morphis: I've rebuilt it with that patch cherry-picked already
Aug 20 21:08:35 <JaMa> morphis: the problem is that libLLVM-3.3.so symlink is only in llvm3.3-dev package
Aug 20 21:08:37 <morphis> JaMa: you need some more
Aug 20 21:09:03 <morphis> JaMa: you need:
Aug 20 21:09:06 <morphis> * 2413c2c packagegroup-webos-ports-extended: add dependency on libegl-gallium/mesa-driver-swrast
Aug 20 21:09:06 <morphis> * 46c8bf8 v86d: install module configuration for uvesafb
Aug 20 21:09:07 <morphis> * 634e949 webos-systemd-services: only include support for webos-telephonyd when machine is a phone
Aug 20 21:09:07 <morphis> * a53fd53 mesa: enable support for gallium and gallium-egl
Aug 20 21:24:59 <stefan_schmidt> Pity, I missed garfonso
Aug 20 21:25:32 <stefan_schmidt> For everyone who is interested. I merged his big pull request for the carddav/caldav sync connector to master now
Aug 20 21:25:51 <stefan_schmidt> As well as finally adding a license (gplv3) file
Aug 20 21:26:40 <stefan_schmidt> This all needs some serious testing with different caldav/carddav servers but I see a road to an alpha for this connector
Aug 20 21:26:59 <stefan_schmidt> Maybe in a month or so. Depends all on the testing results
Aug 20 21:30:51 * stefan_schmidt updated the trello tasks accordingly
Aug 20 21:31:04 <stefan_schmidt> Is Duncan our designer/artist?
Aug 20 21:31:23 <stefan_schmidt> I would have a request for a logo/icon for the dav sync connector :)
Aug 20 21:38:58 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: yes, he is
Aug 20 21:39:12 <morphis> it's Isadunk here on IRC
Aug 20 21:39:35 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: I can tell him if I see him next time and happily he's in UK too so your tz :)
Aug 20 21:39:55 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: :)
Aug 20 21:39:58 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: and good work on the connector!
Aug 20 21:40:00 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: tanks
Aug 20 21:40:03 <morphis> I will try to test it too
Aug 20 21:40:15 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: mostly Garfonso fame
Aug 20 21:40:24 <morphis> but not before the end of next week
Aug 20 21:40:34 <stefan_schmidt> testing would be good
Aug 20 21:40:38 <stefan_schmidt> no rush
Aug 20 21:40:55 <stefan_schmidt> Make sure to use a dummy account and not your real data
Aug 20 21:41:12 <stefan_schmidt> garfonso is suing it but we really can't trust it
Aug 20 21:41:25 <stefan_schmidt> and PIM data is important
Aug 20 21:41:53 <morphis> for sure
Aug 20 21:42:26 <morphis> I have a owncloud instance running and really want to migrate to it so testing it with this is a good thing
Aug 20 21:42:55 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: which version of OC?
Aug 20 21:43:06 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: I will test it against OC5.0.10 this week
Aug 20 21:43:10 <morphis> 5.x afaik
Aug 20 21:43:34 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: ok, don't worry to much about testing than. I will let you know how it works for me
Aug 20 21:43:44 <morphis> ok
Aug 20 21:43:46 <stefan_schmidt> I guess you have tons of others things on your desk
Aug 20 21:44:01 <stefan_schmidt> Once it works for me you should be able to set it up as well
Aug 20 21:44:06 <stefan_schmidt> bed time here
Aug 20 21:44:09 <stefan_schmidt> night all
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