**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 28 02:59:58 2013 Aug 28 06:15:06 Who can allow me to edit articales on internals wiki? Scoutcamper too or... ? Username: Herrie Aug 28 06:15:17 i can Aug 28 06:16:07 Herrie, done Aug 28 06:16:46 Thnx Aug 28 16:11:09 hi all Aug 28 16:13:18 EricBlade: hey Aug 28 16:35:14 What's the likelihood that if I got a Galaxy Note II that I would be able to port webOS Ports to it? Aug 28 16:36:02 Supposedly Ubuntu Touch works on it, though it uses binary blobs for drivers. Aug 28 16:37:50 Sad to say this, but my Pre 2 gave up the ghost yesterday. Was strongly considering the Droid 4 (I'm on Verizon) until finding out how much better the Galaxy II is for processor power and that the Droid 4 is effectively discontinued now. Plus I used to be able to type really, really fast on my Zire 72 with the on-screen keyboard. I hate typing via finger on screen, but I think I could handle a stylus. Aug 28 16:42:15 GS4 is really nice Aug 28 16:42:41 not webos level of nice, but still nice Aug 28 16:52:41 KyleMaas: you need someone to do the port :) Aug 28 16:52:52 morphis: Expecting to do that myself. Aug 28 16:53:23 KyleMaas: how is your experience with OE? Aug 28 16:53:31 morphis: More wondering if I'm going to have significant driver problems than anything, considering binary blobs are involved and there is current (as far as I can find, anyway), no OE target for it. Aug 28 16:53:54 morphis: Zilch. Read up on it, but haven't used it. Expecting a steep learning curve. Aug 28 16:54:21 KyleMaas: ok, as we're using libhybris as base the drivers are not a problem Aug 28 16:54:46 KyleMaas: you're expecting something usable when you finished the port? Aug 28 16:55:19 Not in the slightest. I know where OWO's at, and it's been a while since I've tried webOS Ports, but I can't imagine it's anywhere near usable yet. :) Aug 28 16:55:34 Would like a good development target, though. Aug 28 16:55:46 KyleMaas: ok Aug 28 16:56:04 So far most of my webOS development efforts have focused on the desktop build of OWO. I'd like to be able to try it on an actual device. Aug 28 16:56:34 KyleMaas: ok, it will not be very easy and building takes some time Aug 28 16:56:49 KyleMaas: but if you want I can guide you through the process Aug 28 16:57:05 Understood. I also know my main development machine does not have the free space required for compiling currently, but would when I'm ready to try porting. Aug 28 16:57:23 Sure. If you could lay out the basic steps, I can try and check for any further barriers. Aug 28 16:57:53 KyleMaas: but only when you contribute to the porting guide at http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Porting_Guide and help to finish it Aug 28 16:58:04 Right now I'm trying to figure out if there's a good way to boot from SD without using the dual-boot Android kernel. Aug 28 16:58:20 KyleMaas: does the samsung device use fastboot? Aug 28 16:58:26 Odin Aug 28 16:58:42 ok Aug 28 16:58:56 KyleMaas: can you first start and collect everything important for the port on a page in the wiki? Aug 28 16:59:07 like device specs, links to cm, ubuntu touch Aug 28 17:00:16 KyleMaas: second thing is that you setup the build environment and build the images for grouper or maguro Aug 28 17:00:35 as note2, grouper and maguro will share the same feed Aug 28 17:01:12 after that we can talk about the next steps Aug 28 17:05:46 Sure. My main concern is "is this the phone I should be replacing my Pre 2 with today since I need something up and running by this afternoon?" Aug 28 17:06:24 Kind of leaning toward scrounging up another Pre 2 to replace my broken one and going with that for a while longer. Aug 28 17:09:07 Since it's going to take some info gathering to know if it's a likely future-usable porting target, I'm a little hesitant to go with a Galaxy Note II. I'm not familiar enough with porting to feel comfortable jumping into it without a general idea of what's involved. Aug 28 17:20:42 morphis: Main thing is I don't want to spend $600 on something if I'm not at least reasonably certain I'll be able to use it to help out with webOS. :) Aug 28 17:20:50 morphis: I'll see what I can put together over the next week or so. Thinking I'll probably still need to upgrade my phone within the next two months, anyway. Aug 28 17:21:26 At least if I can get a Pre 2 put together, it'll hold me over for a while. Down to my last one, though. Aug 28 17:23:38 morning ! Aug 28 17:24:24 morphis: building dylan right now Aug 28 17:34:06 Tofe: hey Aug 28 17:34:08 Tofe: ok Aug 28 17:34:53 Tofe: when you have both builds you check the differences between the tuneflags Aug 28 17:41:27 KyleMaas: What carrier you're on? Aug 28 17:41:34 Herrie: Verizon Aug 28 17:42:55 You could go for a Pre 3 ;) Aug 28 17:43:01 They have a decent price on eBay ;) Aug 28 17:43:11 Hell I have some laying around that are useless for me ;) Aug 28 17:43:41 What's your ZIP? Aug 28 17:44:33 Kind of figure it's probably worth it to upgrade to something with a nice zippy processor that's more along the lines of other webOS porting targets. As far as I know, nothing in the webOS 2.x-supporting line really works that well with webOS Ports yet, correct? Aug 28 17:46:49 Yes correct Aug 28 17:47:00 Well you could have it for a good price ;) Aug 28 17:51:59 2.x is not very likely to be ported due to no Android, though technically it should be possible to run Luna and other bits on top of the old kernel from what I understood Aug 28 17:52:19 Thank you for the offer, but I think it would be wasted on me right now. Aug 28 17:53:06 * KyleMaas will be back later. Need to go activate this new Pre 2. Aug 28 17:54:47 OK ;) Aug 28 17:55:07 They're no good for me in GSM land due to poor GSM configuration... And have a few ;) Aug 28 17:55:47 Will use one to create a Meta Pre 3. Bought a "broken" QWERTZ Pre3 off eBay last week, will sacrifice a Verizon one to make a 16GB QWERTY :) Aug 28 17:57:54 Well FrankenPre3 better I guess :P Aug 28 18:01:18 Was able to work a bit on the Wiki today. Still need to template the install & build instructions... Need some input for that... Aug 28 18:01:19 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/New_Page Aug 28 18:01:33 That's the new main page for now ;) Added LunaCE bits properly now. Aug 28 18:18:09 Tofe: not really, I just wanted to keep everything as it was before and just add the new bits Aug 28 18:19:03 morphis: yep, I see; your "work" branch of luna-next seems fine to me, I'll complete a bit the Test stub objects and maybe get rid of that "root" name, which now is more a "windowmanager" name Aug 28 18:19:50 Tofe: yes, we really have to improve the naming Aug 28 18:20:03 otherwise it's rather hard to follow Aug 28 18:20:56 I agree. Aug 28 18:21:10 Do we already have a task on trello for this? Aug 28 18:22:37 morphis: done Aug 28 18:23:37 Tofe: thanks Aug 28 18:24:46 Tofe: btw. most of our org.webosports.app.* applications are already running Aug 28 18:24:51 not fully functional Aug 28 18:24:55 but they are running Aug 28 18:25:03 yeppee Aug 28 18:29:50 the com.palm.app.* ones needs more work on the compatiblity layer Aug 28 19:24:27 dkirker: Ping Aug 28 19:30:58 morphis: I was toying with the QT 4.8.x stuff, FancyBrowser and stuff since there are proper guides for those to build on Internals Wiki for Legacy. Will try and see if I can get proper keyboard support & virtual keyboard support working for Legacy. Must be something small I would say since hardware keyboard works, just SYM, SHIFT and SQUARE not? How about SnowShoe? How difficult would it Aug 28 19:30:58 be to get this working on legacy? Aug 28 19:31:44 Herrie: snowshoe will be rather hard Aug 28 19:31:56 it's qt5 and webkit2 so a complete new stack Aug 28 19:32:05 Thought so already ;) Aug 28 19:32:08 so a lot of a code you have to compile Aug 28 19:32:31 not a one day thing, will can multiple weeks for zero value Aug 28 19:32:31 4.8.1 is OK you would say? Not sure how much better that would be compared to stock 2.2.x and 3.0.5 browser? Aug 28 19:32:36 s/can/take/ Aug 28 19:33:04 Herrie: all in all I would: do not waste your time with this on legacy Aug 28 19:33:21 s/would/would say/ Aug 28 19:33:30 * morphis has troubles with this keyboard .... Aug 28 19:34:14 Herrie: help us with getting a nice qt5/qml browser in webOS ports Aug 28 19:34:35 Get a good one ;) Got myself a stack of replacement keyboards in case this one breaks ;) Logitech UltraX or UltraFlat don't remember, good old PS2 but still nice :D Aug 28 19:34:38 Flat keys Aug 28 19:34:54 Morphis: I'd love to, so I prefer to start with documented stuff Aug 28 19:35:20 Herrie: ok, you ever played around with QML? Aug 28 19:36:04 creating your own webbrowser was never so simple Aug 28 19:37:05 Herrie: http://bpaste.net/show/B1ri30HKmvTtb0RR8jS0/ Aug 28 19:38:16 Herrie: wha? Aug 28 19:38:43 * dkirker is going ahead and writing a QML Universe browser for OWO :D Aug 28 19:39:21 My hope is to allow it to compile with QT4.8 or 4.6 (probably easier to just add 4.8 to a Pre3). But... that isn't my goal. Aug 28 19:39:29 I was hoping to start it yesterday.... Aug 28 19:40:22 dkirker: will be hard as the QML API differs between qt4 and qt5 through the use of webkit2 Aug 28 19:40:34 morphis: Yeah, I figured as much. Aug 28 19:41:02 dkirker: but nothing against the approach of having two different view modes (one for qt4 and one for qt5) Aug 28 19:41:08 But, you know... Good OO design would probably mean "that doesn't matter" Aug 28 19:41:13 bingo! Aug 28 19:41:14 :P Aug 28 19:41:45 Anyway, been looking at a few different browser UIs to get the approach that I want. Aug 28 19:43:06 dkirker: yeah Aug 28 19:43:25 dkirker: feel free to reuse the the existing org.webosports.app.browser repository on github Aug 28 19:44:13 sure Aug 28 19:44:51 good Aug 28 19:45:05 * morphis is happy that things are finally moving on! Aug 28 19:45:19 Yeah, and was trying to figure out if I wanted to host it where I host Universe now, and "fork" it there. Or host it there... I kinda want to do the "fork" thing, but dunno.... always so many choices! :o Aug 28 19:47:05 Anyway! Gonna go grab some awesome masala dosa. I'll be back in about an hour! Aug 28 20:33:56 morphis: No, no QML, no C++, just some Java, Javascript, HTML, SQL and stuff Aug 28 20:34:15 Herrie: Javascript is enough for QML Aug 28 20:34:20 it's really simple Aug 28 20:36:33 I noticed, reminded me lots of Enyo wrt layout ;) Aug 28 20:36:56 I cannot get the QT Everywhere 4.8.1 to build on my x64 Vbox, will try X86 since I suspect that's the problem Aug 28 22:32:07 OK it wasn't 64 bit environment that caused the issues but missing includes int-l64.h and int-ll64.h in PalmPDK Aug 28 22:32:15 Got that sorted now and it seems to move on at least ;) Aug 28 22:38:41 Anyway off to bed, this will take a while to compile I guess... Gnite ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 29 02:59:58 2013