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Sep 18 08:35:38 <morphis> JaMa: do you have any idea how to introduce a qt5 based maliit for our purpose the best way?
Sep 18 08:37:31 <stefan_schmidt_w> Talking about that topic
Sep 18 08:37:39 <stefan_schmidt_w> started with the bbappends yesterday
Sep 18 08:38:10 <stefan_schmidt_w> And I had to realize that in an append I can only append inherit but not override earlier ones
Sep 18 08:38:31 <stefan_schmidt_w> So we have a problem with qt4-x11 inherits from the original recipe
Sep 18 08:45:20 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: we can fix this with some little modification of qt4-x11
Sep 18 08:45:25 <morphis> we did this already for update-rc.d
Sep 18 08:45:57 <morphis> INHIBIT_UPDATERCD_CLASS
Sep 18 08:46:30 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: or otherwise we introduce a maliit-framework-qt5 recipe
Sep 18 08:47:25 <stefan_schmidt_w> hmm
Sep 18 08:47:28 <stefan_schmidt_w> pondering
Sep 18 08:47:47 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: http://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/classes/update-rc.d.bbclass#n92
Sep 18 08:48:06 <stefan_schmidt_w> ok
Sep 18 08:48:59 <morphis> maybe we do something similar for qt4
Sep 18 08:49:22 <morphis> but I am not sure wether maliit-framework-qt5 would be better
Sep 18 08:50:27 <stefan_schmidt_w> yeah, no idea either yet
Sep 18 08:51:08 <stefan_schmidt_w> I'm actually fine with both approaches. Just found the inherit problem. But if there is a fix...
Sep 18 08:53:24 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: ok, lets continue with maliit-framework-qt5
Sep 18 08:53:48 <stefan_schmidt_w> heh
Sep 18 08:53:53 <morphis> stefan_schmidt_w: I have one more idea:
Sep 18 08:53:58 <stefan_schmidt_w> now that I switched over to bbappend ;)
Sep 18 08:54:08 <stefan_schmidt_w> no worries though. Just kidding.
Sep 18 08:54:59 <morphis> hm, I tought the latest version of maliit 0.99 would be qt5 only
Sep 18 08:55:07 <morphis> but it is not
Sep 18 08:56:01 <stefan_schmidt_w> master branch should be qt5 only
Sep 18 08:56:23 <stefan_schmidt_w> you wanted to do it based on releases?
Sep 18 08:56:55 <morphis> http://lists.maliit.org/pipermail/maliit-announce-maliit.org/2013-March/000027.html
Sep 18 08:57:00 <stefan_schmidt_w> I would say we can safely go with maliit-framework-qt5 in meta-webos-ports for now
Sep 18 08:57:23 <stefan_schmidt_w> once we have something that actually works we can see how to feed it back into meta-oe
Sep 18 08:57:31 <morphis> ok
Sep 18 08:58:50 <stefan_schmidt_w> koen might have an opinion on it. As he almost always has one :)
Sep 18 08:59:08 <stefan_schmidt_w> or whoever maintains maliit in meta-oe
Sep 18 08:59:44 <JaMa> morphis: maliit-framework-qt5 in meta-qt5 layer would be the best
Sep 18 09:00:21 <morphis> JaMa: hm, I always have problems with sorting such things into the right layer
Sep 18 09:01:48 <JaMa> morphis: meta-oe cannot depend on meta-qt5 and it's useful outside wop project so I think meta-qt5 is best
Sep 18 09:01:49 <stefan_schmidt_w> JaMa: ok, so I will move it over
Sep 18 09:09:02 <morphis> JaMa: ok
Sep 18 13:10:13 <WhiteBee> is it just me or http://enyojs.com/docs/2.2.0/ broken?
Sep 18 13:11:13 <fx1> looks like it's missing a php file
Sep 18 13:11:29 <WhiteBee> yeah
Sep 18 13:11:42 <WhiteBee> k, just wanted to make sure it's not my computer P=
Sep 18 13:12:45 <fx1> well, it could be both your computer AND my computer =D
Sep 18 13:12:56 <fx1> have you tried in IE6 yet?
Sep 18 13:13:19 <WhiteBee> lol, it ought to fix any php problem P=
Sep 18 13:33:41 <morphis> WhiteBee: hey
Sep 18 16:43:00 <morphis> Tofe: we have a small problem with recent luna-next-cardshell
Sep 18 16:43:41 <Tofe> how small ?
Sep 18 16:44:41 * Tofe is waiting for the "nothing works anymore"
Sep 18 16:48:45 <morphis> swiping the cards up doesn't work anymore as once they are in card mode you can still control them with your fingers
Sep 18 16:49:42 <Tofe> oh.
Sep 18 16:55:34 <Tofe> morphis: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/pull/11 here you go, my fault.
Sep 18 16:56:23 <Tofe> I'll try to see if I can improve that a bit more, when requested.
Sep 18 16:59:55 <morphis> ok
Sep 18 17:05:20 <Tofe> well, for example, if one day we have a complex notification widget (the media player for instance), we'll want to be able to interact *and* to slide it out
Sep 18 17:05:40 <Tofe> However that's clearly not the priority today :)
Sep 18 17:07:03 <morphis> yes
Sep 18 17:07:30 <morphis> Tofe: will test this and then push another SRCREV bump for the luna-next stack
Sep 18 17:24:43 <morphis> dkirker: ping
Sep 18 17:26:15 <morphis> Tofe: works fine for
Sep 18 17:26:16 <morphis> me
Sep 18 17:26:57 <morphis> Tofe: btw. swiping a card down should not move them out of the screen on the bottom but on the top
Sep 18 17:30:31 <Tofe> yes, I saw that just some minutes ago too -- that's a bug in my slider. Anyway the bug has been here for a long time.
Sep 18 17:31:46 <Tofe> bug found and eliminated. But I'll group that with some other minor changes.
Sep 18 17:34:40 <morphis> Tofe: great, I like your development speed :D
Sep 18 17:34:48 <Tofe> :p
Sep 18 17:34:55 <morphis> Tofe: I have one more bug
Sep 18 17:35:32 <morphis> the launcher items are not yet positioned correctly at least on the galaxy nexus
Sep 18 17:35:48 <Tofe> they are a bit too high, maybe ?
Sep 18 17:36:10 <Tofe> ah, wait, you're talking about the full launcher
Sep 18 17:36:15 <morphis> its hard to make a screenshot of them :)
Sep 18 17:36:17 <morphis> yes
Sep 18 17:36:35 <morphis> the quick launcher is still horizontal scrollable too
Sep 18 17:37:01 <morphis> and the dummy moon icons are too small in contrast to the launcher icon on the right side
Sep 18 17:37:49 <Tofe> right, I'll have to scale them correctly
Sep 18 17:38:27 <Tofe> I never tried to put more icons in the quick launcher -- what happens ? Is there a maximum of four shortcuts ?
Sep 18 17:38:27 <morphis> Tofe: and there should be a larger margin for the launcher
Sep 18 17:38:35 <morphis> afaik yes
Sep 18 17:39:07 <Tofe> morphis: yes, on the Pre3 it wants to replace an existing shortcut.
Sep 18 17:39:25 <morphis> maybe there is a configuration option for it too
Sep 18 17:42:56 <morphis> JaMa: btw. you know why oe-core has --disable-coredump for systemd?
Sep 18 17:44:51 <dkirker> morphis: pong
Sep 18 17:45:07 <morphis> dkirker: you already had some success with creating the basics for the browser?
Sep 18 17:45:43 <dkirker> morphis: Sorry. Hadn't gotten quite to that step. :( I was moving ahead, then... you know, same excuse. :/
Sep 18 17:45:52 <morphis> :)
Sep 18 17:46:06 <dkirker> This weekend my plate is clean and that is one this list
Sep 18 17:48:26 <morphis> dkirker: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2013-September/011146.html
Sep 18 17:48:28 <Tofe> oops -- gotta take care of my guests ! bye !
Sep 18 17:48:33 <morphis> Tofe: bye!
Sep 18 17:49:03 <dkirker> morphis: interesting...
Sep 18 17:49:27 <dkirker> I am curious to look at the code. Last time I touched Chromium, it was a PITFA to follow things. 20 billion layer of abstraction....
Sep 18 17:50:14 <morphis> :D
Sep 18 17:50:25 <morphis> dkirker: you also heard about the qt webengine?
Sep 18 17:51:37 <dkirker> yup
Sep 18 17:52:16 <morphis> you like the way qt is moving with this?
Sep 18 17:53:17 <dkirker> I have mixed feelings...
Sep 18 17:53:33 <dkirker> Apple is known for the "f you, do it our way" style. Sometimes that is needed.
Sep 18 17:54:00 <dkirker> Got mixed feelings about Google, too...
Sep 18 17:54:17 <dkirker> If this were 10 years ago, I'd have just started on my own engine... oh wait!
Sep 18 17:54:33 <dkirker> but, sadly, we've reached the point where you have to fork something existing.
Sep 18 17:55:41 <morphis> yes
Sep 18 17:56:17 <morphis> but it looks like everyone in the open source business is going for chromium instead of webkit
Sep 18 17:56:22 <dkirker> A part of me wants to take the easy path and just go with Chromium. But.... given all of the NSA BS, even with Google trying to lay claim to distancing themselves, and the fact that their main product is advertising... I kind of want something that really is *OPEN* in all aaspects of the word.
Sep 18 17:56:42 <morphis> yeah
Sep 18 17:56:46 <dkirker> So my recommendation at the moment is to use webengine with our own UI and experience.
Sep 18 17:57:21 <morphis> qt webengine?
Sep 18 17:57:29 <dkirker> yup
Sep 18 17:57:43 <morphis> yes, thats what I would like to do as well
Sep 18 17:57:53 <dkirker> since I expect that is just gonna be something that is in the whole QT blob
Sep 18 17:57:54 <morphis> but I think we wont switch to it until it's ready
Sep 18 17:58:00 <dkirker> yeah, definitely
Sep 18 17:58:14 <morphis> from what they proposed the switch should be "easy"
Sep 18 17:58:20 <dkirker> I hope so....
Sep 18 17:58:25 <morphis> and maybe it offers a better native object binding interface
Sep 18 17:58:41 <morphis> but the qt guys are great when its about maintaining existing APIs
Sep 18 17:59:27 <morphis> and I don't want to have two version of webkit in our build again :)
Sep 18 17:59:50 <dkirker> let's fork webkit!
Sep 18 18:00:09 <morphis> :D
Sep 18 18:30:02 <WhiteBee_> hey morphis, what's up?
Sep 18 18:30:25 <WhiteBee_> forgot to log out in the other comp
Sep 18 18:39:45 <JaMa> morphis: no idea about systemd
Sep 18 18:43:35 <morphis> WhiteBee_: no problem, just wanted to ask for  a short status update on the contacts app
Sep 18 18:46:34 <WhiteBee_> morphis: oh, was extremely busy with work last few weeks. I'll probably have something next week
Sep 18 18:46:59 <WhiteBee_> anyone knows how to insert a tab with webos keyboard?
Sep 18 18:47:33 <WhiteBee_> pre*
Sep 18 19:42:33 <dkirker> morphis: wait! screw that! we already have a fork from 2008. Let's use that!
Sep 18 19:42:45 <dkirker> Is it April 1st yet?!
Sep 18 19:44:23 <morphis> dkirker: which one?
Sep 18 19:44:45 <dkirker> hmmmm..... webOS 2.2.4 one, or webOS 3.0 one?....
Sep 18 19:44:46 <dkirker> hmmmmmm
Sep 18 19:44:50 <dkirker> let's do 2.2.4 :P
Sep 18 19:45:14 <dkirker> Ok folks! We are using the WebKit from webOS 2.2.4 in the next OWO browser!
Sep 18 19:45:20 * dkirker bumps his head in the confusion
Sep 18 19:47:19 <scoutcamper> ye olde webkit
Sep 18 20:29:34 <ka6sox> emphasis on OLD
Sep 18 22:30:27 <bhuey> hey
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