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Oct 04 08:06:20 <morphis> dkirker: ping
Oct 04 08:11:33 <Garfonso> morning morphis.
Oct 04 08:12:02 <morphis> Garfonso: morning
Oct 04 08:16:11 <morphis> JaMa: so if we have one manifest per staging feed how does the manifest of the public feed look like? will it be the summary of all merged staging feeds?
Oct 04 08:18:09 <Garfonso> on my gnex the UI looks pretty badly. Scaling of text or icons (or both) in the launcher is quite wrong (icons are quite small, text is much too big and overlaps a lot). In the quick-launch-bar all icons were too small. And you could scroll the quick launch bar from left to right. ;)
Oct 04 08:18:31 <Garfonso> and then I somehow managed to get rid of the launcher and couldn't do anything anymore.
Oct 04 08:28:31 <Tofe> morphis: pong
Oct 04 08:29:24 <Tofe> Garfonso: what is the screen resolution of Gnex ?
Oct 04 08:30:04 <Tofe> Garfonso: also, would you be able to take a photo, or something like that ?
Oct 04 08:37:17 <morphis> Garfonso: yeah, those things are known
Oct 04 08:37:40 <morphis> Tofe: need to remember what I wanted yesterday :)
Oct 04 08:38:02 <morphis> Tofe: ah, I remember: you saw the statusbar services connector?
Oct 04 08:40:34 <morphis> Tofe: 768x1280 is the resolution of the gnexus
Oct 04 08:46:46 <Garfonso> ok. ;)
Oct 04 08:47:29 <morphis> Garfonso: Tofe needs to fix them :)
Oct 04 08:47:42 <Garfonso> hehe
Oct 04 08:49:09 <Tofe> morphis: yes, I saw that, and thanks :)
Oct 04 09:22:12 <Garfonso> hmpf... anybody knows a decent caldav or carddav server? Preferably some webhosted stuff and not Yahoo or Google.. *sigh*
Oct 04 09:26:04 <stefan_schmidt_w> Garfonso: hmm, the caldav working group might have some test servers running
Oct 04 11:43:15 <Tofe> Garfonso: I can reproduce the problem, so I'll fix it soon, thanks for spotting it !
Oct 04 17:53:29 <Herrie> Who's looking after Preware feeds? Looks like new apps don't get in anymore?
Oct 04 17:53:45 <Herrie> http://www.webosnation.com/apps/
Oct 04 17:53:51 <Herrie> Last one I get is AgendaZ
Oct 04 17:54:11 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: My maliit patches are in your overfull queue or do you expect anything from me for them?
Oct 04 18:00:28 <JaMa> are in queue and aready passed qemuarm build
Oct 04 18:01:21 <JaMa> only thing I was thinking about is squashing the series, as first recipe version probably doesn't build correctly, breaking bisectability
Oct 04 18:01:50 <stefan_schmidt> JaMa: yeah, thats correct
Oct 04 18:02:08 <stefan_schmidt> I just kept the first patch to have it clean from where and what I imported
Oct 04 18:02:20 <stefan_schmidt> If you wanna squash them its fine with me
Oct 04 18:06:13 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Herrie, ping?
Oct 04 18:06:31 <ka6sox-farfarawa> its not notifying me I guess...let me fix this
Oct 04 18:08:17 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Herrie, I see no pull requests.
Oct 04 18:09:05 <ka6sox-farfarawa> okay I see what you are saying
Oct 04 18:09:14 <ka6sox-farfarawa> when was the last update that you can see?
Oct 04 18:09:22 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Herrie, ^^^
Oct 04 18:10:27 <Herrie> ka6sox: Preware tells me "older"
Oct 04 18:10:53 <Herrie> What I see on the above URL is that AgendaZ is the last one I have in Preware
Oct 04 18:11:02 <ka6sox-farfarawa> let me see if the builder is not able to pull from WON
Oct 04 18:11:24 <Herrie> So missing from Breaking News and newer
Oct 04 18:11:24 <ka6sox-farfarawa> every 4hrs or so it pulls down the list and then builds a new index
Oct 04 18:11:36 <ka6sox-farfarawa> kk
Oct 04 18:12:18 <Herrie> Looks like it might be root cert related?
Oct 04 18:12:37 <Herrie> Somehow submissions from after root cert expiry don't show up? Or pure coincidence?
Oct 04 18:13:20 <ka6sox-farfarawa> WON is a different issue
Oct 04 18:14:03 <ka6sox-farfarawa> lessee if I can sort this...might take a bit
Oct 04 18:15:53 <Herrie> OK ;)
Oct 04 18:15:58 <Herrie> Thnx for looking into it
Oct 04 18:37:55 <WhiteBee> hey all
Oct 04 18:38:24 <WhiteBee> question - are wo-ports in sync with lg webos team?
Oct 04 18:38:34 <WhiteBee> so to not have duplicate work
Oct 04 18:38:55 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I very good question
Oct 04 18:39:09 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I would say we are *ahead* of them.
Oct 04 18:39:46 <WhiteBee> oh, wow.
Oct 04 18:39:49 <ka6sox-farfarawa> syncing with hardly any changes (other than in some libs) means stagnation.
Oct 04 18:39:59 <ka6sox-farfarawa> and the project would die
Oct 04 18:40:55 <WhiteBee> they can be working on some secret stuff that can be open sourced later, can't they?
Oct 04 18:41:07 <WhiteBee> stuff that's overlapping ports' work
Oct 04 18:42:37 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I would say its impossible to sync with unseen internal work.
Oct 04 18:43:43 <WhiteBee> I agree. I hope there will be word soon about what's going on, so you can get a better view of things
Oct 04 18:45:07 <ka6sox-farfarawa> from the webos-ports perspective there hasn't been much change in Open webOS in a while.  So we can either stagnate and die...or decide to diverge to keep things moving.
Oct 04 18:57:53 <WhiteBee> well, surely the second option is better :)
Oct 04 19:28:16 <ka6sox-farfarawa> very true
Oct 04 19:44:04 <Herrie> So ka6sox: Are you saying cooperation hasn't really been there like it was with HP?
Oct 04 19:44:27 <Herrie> Since you guys seem to hang around, go meetings, got support etc? That all vanished with LG move more or less?
Oct 04 19:46:18 <ka6sox-farfarawa> LG would like to work more with the community, but as of yet they don't have the resources to do so.
Oct 04 19:47:02 <ka6sox-farfarawa> they are doing all they can, for now.
Oct 04 19:47:19 <Herrie> OK, so it's hard to find people for them? Still lot of vacancies to fill?
Oct 04 19:47:39 <ka6sox-farfarawa> yes, and everyone's head seems to be down trying to get something out the door.
Oct 04 19:47:52 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I'm sure they have deadlines that are looming large.
Oct 04 19:48:01 <Herrie> Yeah ;0
Oct 04 19:48:03 <Herrie> ;)
Oct 04 19:48:10 <stefan_schmidt> Often it is quite a struggle to find a balance between product driven normal big company development and building up a FOSS commnity around
Oct 04 19:48:14 <Herrie> They have 23 openings on http://lgsvl.com/careers/#positions
Oct 04 19:48:22 <stefan_schmidt> the processes are to handle things are in the way
Oct 04 19:48:29 <stefan_schmidt> No idea if that is the case here
Oct 04 19:48:37 <stefan_schmidt> but I have seen that several times before
Oct 04 19:49:08 <Herrie> Going by the GF numbers in the commits, seems like they're hitting 40.000... That's a lot of bugs to fix.....
Oct 04 19:49:15 <Herrie> Assuming each is a feature/bug
Oct 04 19:49:25 <stefan_schmidt> But all can be fixed if the decision for it is made from high enough :)
Oct 04 19:50:17 <Herrie> Well they should put some of their Android engineers on stuff :P
Oct 04 19:50:25 <stefan_schmidt> And Korean companies are proud of changing fast and adapting to changes around them
Oct 04 19:50:32 <Herrie> They should have enough of those :P
Oct 04 19:50:46 <stefan_schmidt> Herrie: unrealistic. Android is bringing in the money. WebOS not.
Oct 04 19:50:58 <Herrie> And we have a sh*tload of Chinese they could hire, not sure they're much good though :P
Oct 04 19:51:07 <stefan_schmidt> If they want to move forward with WebOS they need the money form the Android sales
Oct 04 19:51:26 <Herrie> Wrong: Android doesn't bring anyone money except for Samsung at the moment it seems :P
Oct 04 19:51:43 <ka6sox-farfarawa> LG still sells phones
Oct 04 19:51:45 <Herrie> Rest is struggling including LG, though new devices start to look decent
Oct 04 19:51:48 <stefan_schmidt> Mythical man month is the only thing I can say about that
Oct 04 19:51:55 <ka6sox-farfarawa> stefan_schmidt, +1
Oct 04 19:52:17 <ka6sox-farfarawa> right now I doubt we would be much more than an annoyance if we really needed help.
Oct 04 19:52:40 <stefan_schmidt> Herrie: Throwing people/engineers at a problem is not making it a good product or even finish faster
Oct 04 19:52:41 <ka6sox-farfarawa> things are still not out that were promised...so asking for more is out of the question.
Oct 04 19:53:13 <Herrie> I know, well throwing the right people, with the right skills and knowledge helps... Just any: No it makes things worse ;)
Oct 04 19:53:28 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Herrie, hence the openings
Oct 04 19:53:37 <ka6sox-farfarawa> you can't just throw anyone in the mix
Oct 04 19:53:38 <stefan_schmidt> Herrie: Make the company change to work better with the community takes time a a decision from above to allocate resources for it
Oct 04 19:53:48 <ka6sox-farfarawa> right
Oct 04 19:53:48 <stefan_schmidt> Same for improving OWO
Oct 04 19:53:57 <Herrie> Yup, too bad software development is not my thing ;) Would love to be part of it just lack the skills :P
Oct 04 19:53:59 <ka6sox-farfarawa> OWO is a starting place for us
Oct 04 19:54:00 <stefan_schmidt> and product schedules always come in the way of this
Oct 04 19:54:15 <stefan_schmidt> But without them you normally would not do it anyway
Oct 04 19:54:21 <Herrie> I suck at coding and never been my thing. Can follow instructions, hack things a bit, good at copy & paste etc :P
Oct 04 19:54:22 <stefan_schmidt> the question is really what you sell
Oct 04 19:54:44 <stefan_schmidt> Intel e.g. has a way better standing there. They don't sell devices but chips.
Oct 04 19:55:17 <stefan_schmidt> And they have build up a really good OTC that works well with all kind of communites to enable best support for Intel stuff and drive sales
Oct 04 19:55:44 <stefan_schmidt> Its harder for product companies which are always under time pressure for the next secret project
Oct 04 19:55:50 <Herrie> Well January is looking and stuff needs to be done soon for them to line up for CES ;)
Oct 04 19:56:10 <Herrie> looking = looming
Oct 04 19:57:55 <ka6sox-farfarawa> Herrie, yup
Oct 04 20:01:25 <Herrie> The quality of the commits, structure and documentation seems to have gone up though :)
Oct 04 20:02:05 <Herrie> From what I can see @ github. I'm sure they have a lot of things working internally that were promised but not pushed yet, including QT5 & media bits. Have seen evidence for this on various places ;)
Oct 04 20:02:22 <Herrie> Also there seems to be a new SDK coming up judging by some of the posts related to Enyo ;)
Oct 04 20:02:34 <Herrie> Have seen some nice Enyo layouts for the TV settings etc ;)
Oct 05 02:01:22 <ka6sox> ugh...the builder appears broken...I need to fix it...probably time to move it to Jenkins
Oct 05 02:01:55 <ka6sox> JaMa, ping me when you are around again.
Oct 05 02:23:23 <JaMa> ka6sox: it's 4:30AM here, but I'm sort of around
Oct 05 02:23:39 <JaMa> probably not for long
Oct 05 02:56:25 <ka6sox> go to bed!
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