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Oct 20 10:32:20 <Garfonso> morning
Oct 20 10:49:33 <morphis> Garfonso: morning
Oct 20 10:49:55 <morphis> Garfonso: the platformVersion will arrive soon as part of our build images
Oct 20 10:50:23 <morphis> but you need to check /etc/webos-release instead of /etc/platform-version
Oct 20 10:51:02 <morphis> it consists of one line with the format: ${BUILD_DISTRIB_ID} release ${DISTRO_VERSION}-${WEBOS_DISTRO_BUILD_ID} (${WEBOS_DISTRO_RELEASE_CODENAME})
Oct 20 10:51:22 <morphis> where WEBOS_DISTRO_BUILD ID looks like WEBOS_DISTRO_BUILD_ID = "005-284"
Oct 20 10:51:57 <morphis> DISTRO_VERSION is 1.0
Oct 20 11:08:56 <Garfonso> ok.
Oct 20 11:10:30 <Garfonso> and which is the number to check against the manifest?
Oct 20 11:13:27 <Garfonso> or will that change, too?
Oct 20 11:18:48 <morphis> Garfonso: WEBOS_DISTRO_BUILD_ID = "005-284 will change for every stage we do
Oct 20 11:19:03 <morphis> so 005 is the platformVersion
Oct 20 11:19:11 <morphis> 284 is the number of the build
Oct 20 11:21:42 <morphis> Garfonso: btw. if you want I have some else for you to work on after the update service
Oct 20 11:26:11 <Garfonso> tell me about it
Oct 20 11:27:00 <morphis> you remember the media db?
Oct 20 11:28:15 <Garfonso> yes
Oct 20 11:28:23 <Garfonso> although I never worked with it
Oct 20 11:28:38 <morphis> we're still missing a implementation of it
Oct 20 11:28:50 <morphis> it was done before with a native service implementation
Oct 20 11:29:01 <morphis> but I don't see any disadvantage currently with doing it in js
Oct 20 11:30:24 <Garfonso> yes, nodejs could be good for this.
Oct 20 11:30:36 <Garfonso> I worked a bit with filesystem access in node before.
Oct 20 11:30:37 <morphis> Garfonso: afaik http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/fs.html#fs_fs_watch_filename_options_listener should help to watch for file system events
Oct 20 11:31:01 <morphis> hm, seems like the webos developer site is not available again
Oct 20 11:32:44 <morphis> Garfonso: I never really looked into but from what I remember the service created db8 objects which were then queried by possible clients
Oct 20 11:33:01 <Garfonso> sounds reasonable.
Oct 20 11:33:22 <morphis> Garfonso: and it would be very good if we recreate the same format
Oct 20 11:33:36 <Garfonso> yes
Oct 20 11:34:07 <morphis> it's not urgent to have the service but it's one thing I would like to introduce after the Alpha 3 release
Oct 20 11:35:31 <Garfonso> ok, I'll keep it on my list and think about it. ;)
Oct 20 11:35:40 <morphis> Garfonso: great
Oct 20 11:36:40 <morphis> Garfonso: any good idea for a name for the service?
Oct 20 11:39:49 <morphis> Garfonso: btw. we need to add a license for the update app
Oct 20 11:42:45 <Garfonso> why not keep media indexer?
Oct 20 11:42:57 <Garfonso> ok. how do we do that? ^^
Oct 20 11:46:46 <morphis> Garfonso: the license thing?
Oct 20 11:46:51 <morphis> btw. media indexer is fine
Oct 20 11:46:57 <morphis> org.webosports.service.mediaindexer?
Oct 20 11:47:02 <Garfonso> yes, the license thing.
Oct 20 11:47:08 <Garfonso> ok
Oct 20 11:47:28 <morphis> Garfonso: which license do you prefer?
Oct 20 11:47:38 <morphis> you did the work so it's up to you
Oct 20 11:48:44 <morphis> we just need a COPYING file with the license text in it
Oct 20 11:49:41 <Garfonso> oh my... I don't know. What licenses do you usually use?
Oct 20 11:50:00 <morphis> for luna-next we're using GPL-3
Oct 20 11:50:43 <morphis> you can use GPL-3 too or something less strict like BSD or MIT
Oct 20 11:52:03 <morphis> personally I would prefer GPL-3
Oct 20 11:53:32 <Garfonso> ok, let's use GPL-3 then.
Oct 20 11:57:37 <morphis> Garfonso: ok
Oct 20 11:57:48 <morphis> Garfonso: I will add the app later to the build
Oct 20 12:02:13 <Garfonso> actually in the owo emulator it is not working yet. I can't talk to the service
Oct 20 12:02:19 <Garfonso> don't know why.
Oct 20 12:05:23 <Garfonso> luna-send tells me that the service is not installed.
Oct 20 12:05:38 <Garfonso> but I can run it with run-js-service and it is in the right directory
Oct 20 12:11:56 <Garfonso> hm.. might \r\n line endings be the issue?
Oct 20 12:16:17 <Garfonso> nope.
Oct 20 12:17:03 <morphis> hm
Oct 20 12:17:18 <morphis> you installed the ls2 configuration files?
Oct 20 12:17:24 <morphis> roles and service configuration?
Oct 20 12:17:36 <morphis> otherwise it can't be started automatically
Oct 20 12:22:32 <Garfonso> probably that's the issue, then... I just opkg installed the package I also used for the legacy emulator
Oct 20 12:48:38 <Garfonso> so I need postinst and prerm scripts like these: https://github.com/webos-internals/tweaks/tree/master/control ? Or should I just do it manually and you handle it in the image?
Oct 20 12:50:58 <morphis> Garfonso: just do it manually and I will take care about packaging them correctly
Oct 20 12:51:33 <morphis> Garfonso: just store them in files/sysbus folder
Oct 20 12:52:00 <morphis> Garfonso: https://github.com/openwebos/app-services/tree/master/com.palm.service.contacts/files/sysbus
Oct 20 13:04:59 <Garfonso> do you have a sample for the new file?
Oct 20 13:05:10 <Garfonso> the webos-release one
Oct 20 13:07:50 <morphis> Garfonso: ${BUILD_DISTRIB_ID} release 1.0-005-284 (webos-ports)
Oct 20 13:08:10 <morphis> I am unsure whats the value of BUILD_DISTRIB_ID is but the other should match what the result will look like
Oct 20 13:10:49 <Garfonso> ok.
Oct 20 13:16:48 <Garfonso> ah.. the new emulator already has it: Rockhopper release 1.0-004-120 (webos-ports)
Oct 20 13:29:32 <morphis> ah great
Oct 20 13:34:39 <Garfonso> is the rest of the information of any need for the update service?
Oct 20 13:34:52 <Garfonso> I have a regexp that parses all the parts..
Oct 20 13:35:11 <Tofe> morning
Oct 20 13:35:16 <Garfonso> hi tofe
Oct 20 13:35:40 <Garfonso> but that might fail if unexpected characters are in any of the parts I don't need..
Oct 20 13:40:34 <Garfonso> ok. work's nicely now on the owo emulator. :)
Oct 20 13:42:49 <Garfonso> btw: I have to kill luna-next nearly always when I close an app. And often it will die by itself anyway. Is that expected?
Oct 20 13:43:27 <Garfonso> and also I noticed that you can't scroll in the web-apps (i.e. wikipedia, g-mail).
Oct 20 13:43:32 <Garfonso> Should I file bugs for those?
Oct 20 14:05:29 <morphis> Garfonso: not really
Oct 20 14:05:47 <morphis> Garfonso: yes, please
Oct 20 14:06:00 <morphis> Garfonso: I already have them on my list but it's better to have a bug for them
Oct 20 14:06:54 <morphis> Tofe: morning
Oct 20 15:29:03 <morphis> Tofe: ping
Oct 20 15:32:45 <Tofe> pong
Oct 20 15:33:21 <Tofe> my bb is taking some time -- fetching yocto is "a bit slow" (30kB/s...)
Oct 20 15:35:05 <Tofe> morphis: I am sure to be completely clear about the current situation on maliit, overlay, dora & dashboard things... To make it short: in current dora, maliit wants to create an "overlay" window, is that it ?
Oct 20 15:35:09 <Tofe> +not
Oct 20 15:35:14 <Tofe> (not sure)
Oct 20 15:38:22 <morphis> Tofe: yes, but I've found a problem with it today
Oct 20 15:38:38 <morphis> actually I added a patch for maliit to set the window type but forgot to activate it
Oct 20 15:39:30 <morphis> second thing I've found: we can't use the maliit keyboard as it makes the maliit-service segfault after eglMakeCurrent has failed (seems like there is some EGL code in which isn't suitable in our case)
Oct 20 15:41:49 <Tofe> mmmh, so the pb is narrowed down to eglMakeCurrent failing, is that it ?
Oct 20 15:42:33 <morphis> yes
Oct 20 15:42:50 <morphis> but it's not a problem anymore as I will switch to use the nemo keyboard which is pure QML
Oct 20 15:45:10 <Tofe> well, it's simply a switch of frontend for the maliit server, after all
Oct 20 15:47:03 <morphis> yes
Oct 20 15:47:24 <morphis> Tofe: ah and one thing: we should not close the overlay window from our side once it's not shown anymore
Oct 20 15:48:33 <morphis> Tofe: currently you have some logic to stack the overlays and remove the last one if a new one gets pushed
Oct 20 15:48:40 <morphis> that seems to cause maliit-server to exit
Oct 20 15:50:21 <Tofe> to be more exact, I remove it when I get a tap or swipe up gesture; not when the next one is stacked. But yes, that's a mistake for maliit
Oct 20 15:51:21 <Tofe> One thing I'm missing on QML side is a signal from the overlay window which would ask to be visible again, or to be hidden
Oct 20 15:51:28 <morphis> btw. I don't see the keyboard yet
Oct 20 15:51:39 <morphis> I saw it once for less then a second
Oct 20 15:52:28 <Tofe> quite a low MTBF...
Oct 20 15:52:58 <morphis> yes
Oct 20 15:53:08 <morphis> I will get my recent changes out to you so you can test this too
Oct 20 15:53:39 <Tofe> the thing is, I can hide the overlay without destroying the window, but I won't know when to show it again as I won't get any signal from the compositor
Oct 20 15:54:40 <Tofe> (if you want to disable the hide-on-tap, simply comment out  the   "windowManagerInstance.addTapAction" call in OverlaysManager.qml)
Oct 20 15:55:31 <morphis> hm
Oct 20 15:56:04 <Tofe> well, I don't need a signal from the compositor itself, just from the window, ofc
Oct 20 15:56:06 <morphis> afaik when the window has lost the focus the input method should be hidden automatically
Oct 20 15:58:41 <Tofe> isn't it more precisely when the input entry has lost the focus ? we can still have the window in maximized and discard the keyboard, for example
Oct 20 15:59:23 <Tofe> not sure if the window would send a focus change in that case
Oct 20 16:00:39 <morphis> hm
Oct 20 16:02:04 <Tofe> let's take the pb from the other side: it is when a Qt input method is asked that we connect to the maliit server, and that triggers some show/create event, isn't it ?
Oct 20 16:02:16 <morphis> Tofe: pushed needed changes to the dora branch of meta-wop
Oct 20 16:02:26 <morphis> yes
Oct 20 16:02:30 <Tofe> ok, great, thanks
Oct 20 16:03:16 <Tofe> so, when the input method is discarded, that should symmetrically trigger a hide/delete event
Oct 20 16:03:39 <Tofe> (I don't know is there is such thing as input method discarding...)
Oct 20 16:03:42 <Tofe> if*
Oct 20 16:05:56 <morphis> afaik maliit will set the window to visible = false
Oct 20 16:06:16 <Tofe> ah, but that would be sufficient for me
Oct 20 16:07:32 <Tofe> currently we don't forward the visibility event when it comes from CompositorWindow's side
Oct 20 16:08:20 <morphis> right
Oct 20 16:09:21 <Tofe> I just have to be careful not to create an obvious dependancy loop :)
Oct 20 16:14:46 <morphis> yeah :)
Oct 20 16:15:29 <morphis> Tofe: btw. one thing I saw in the battery indicator code: the icon currently isn't updated when the charging state changes
Oct 20 16:15:33 <morphis> only when the level changes
Oct 20 16:15:47 <morphis> as the level is the only input parameter for the bound method
Oct 20 16:16:33 <Tofe> fixed, thanks
Oct 20 16:17:03 <morphis> Tofe: ah and the battery-charged.png image should only be displayed when charging = true
Oct 20 16:17:16 <morphis> as the icon currently indicates that a charger is connected which
Oct 20 16:17:32 <morphis> so if you have charging = false and level > 11 you get a icon which indicates the device is charging
Oct 20 16:17:58 <morphis> Tofe: btw. when http://jenkins.nas-admin.org/job/webos-ports_setup_webos-ports-dev-image_maguro/285 is finished you can also download the image instead of waiting for your local build to finish
Oct 20 16:18:21 <Tofe> morphis: yes, I'll do that
Oct 20 16:20:40 <morphis> thanks
Oct 20 16:49:24 <morphis> Tofe: ok, it needs one more fix for meta-qt5
Oct 20 16:49:33 <morphis> and we have to wait for JaMa to apply it
Oct 20 16:50:11 <Tofe> ok
Oct 20 16:51:03 <morphis> Tofe: http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2013-October/092817.html
Oct 20 16:52:06 <Tofe> I'm happy that you know how to deal with this sort of problems :)
Oct 20 16:52:15 <morphis> Tofe: :)
Oct 20 16:52:48 <morphis> Tofe: I am really happy that I don't have to deal with UI things :D
Oct 20 16:53:02 <Tofe> hehe, good organization we have here !
Oct 20 16:53:37 <Tofe> for maliit, would there be a way to make so that maliit doesn't actually hide the window, but simply asks for it ?
Oct 20 16:53:46 <Tofe> it would look nicer
Oct 20 16:54:28 <morphis> hm
Oct 20 16:54:30 <morphis> maybe
Oct 20 16:54:38 <morphis> have to look into it
Oct 20 16:55:07 <Tofe> however I don't know how to do that in a generic way, as the only thing that you have down there is a QWindow
Oct 20 16:55:32 <Tofe> maybe you can send a signal
Oct 20 16:56:08 <Tofe> yes, that may work
Oct 20 17:38:24 <morphis> Tofe: btw. one thing we have to think about is how we handle the first use application
Oct 20 17:45:46 <Tofe> morphis: yes, that's true. Is it a web app used in fullscreen ?
Oct 20 17:51:06 <Tofe> I just remarked one flaw in our window management: when the window destroys itself, we don't manage it well
Oct 20 17:51:27 <Tofe> (I'm testing self-destruct on dashboard items, which is quite common I would say)
Oct 20 18:39:56 <Tofe> morphis: oops, your build failed
Oct 20 18:43:02 <Tofe> morphis: how useful for me would you say is the latest build of qemux86 ? for testing dashboard and/or overlays on something more concrete than Qt desktop
Oct 20 18:44:28 <Tofe> morphis: also, I pushed some new stuff to my tofe/dashboard-work branch. They should work, but I'd rather wait for on-device tests before doing the PR
Oct 20 18:45:38 <Tofe> From your point of view, the 'stuff' includes not hiding the overlay on tap, and hiding/showing WRT visibility of wrapped window
Oct 20 19:35:26 <morphis> Tofe: hm, I restarted the build but it will not have the input context plugin installed
Oct 20 19:39:09 <morphis> Garfonso: https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.service.mediaindexer
Oct 20 19:44:59 <morphis> Garfonso: https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.update/pull/3
Oct 20 19:49:02 <morphis> Tofe: hm, seems like the build needs manual help
Oct 20 19:49:05 <morphis> will fix that tomorrow
Oct 20 19:49:59 <Tofe> ok
Oct 20 19:50:08 <Tofe> morphis: I renamed that little list :)
Oct 20 19:50:16 <morphis> Tofe: thanks
Oct 20 19:50:20 <morphis> ok, to late for me
Oct 20 19:50:21 <morphis> gn8
Oct 20 20:09:22 <Garfonso> morphis: yes, makes sense. :)
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