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Oct 29 06:53:16 <Herrie> You guys seen this? http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/29/5041336/motorola-project-ara-modular-smartphones Looks interesting!
Oct 29 07:49:49 <Tofe> morning
Oct 29 08:06:57 <Herrie> Morning
Oct 29 08:56:58 <morphis> Tofe, Herrie: morning
Oct 29 08:57:07 <morphis> Tofe: I've found another, better solution
Oct 29 08:58:16 <Tofe> morphis: that was a useful night then :)
Oct 29 08:58:23 <morphis> :)
Oct 29 08:58:29 <morphis> useful morning
Oct 29 09:00:07 <morphis> I added a simple state machine as service within luna-sysmgr
Oct 29 09:03:03 <morphis> Tofe: I will push the required changes for the cardshell to your tofe/firstuse branch, ok?
Oct 29 09:43:21 <Tofe> morphis: yes, sure, fine
Oct 29 09:45:32 <Tofe> morphis: the BootLoader code isn't that great anyway
Oct 29 09:46:02 <Tofe> (all mixed up between which boot to choose and the boot animation...)
Oct 29 09:46:24 <morphis> yeah, has some room for improvements
Oct 29 10:23:31 <morphis> Tofe: but works quite nice
Oct 29 10:24:38 <Tofe> :)
Oct 29 10:25:02 <Tofe> morphis: told you, it is easier than popping up a keyboard
Oct 29 11:01:53 <morphis> Tofe: yeah :)
Oct 29 11:03:18 <morphis> Tofe: but a little bit more work on my side: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-sysmgr/commit/20a263bac50ebe6360f37f3e07a765d65cec18b7
Oct 29 11:56:02 <Tofe> morphis: oh, yes, right
Oct 29 13:26:39 <Tofe> morphis: I guess we need to bump the srcrev of lsm to have the first use management working
Oct 29 13:27:03 <morphis> Tofe: yeah, I have them bumped locally already
Oct 29 13:27:28 <morphis> there are some more things which needs a bump for this
Oct 29 13:27:56 <Tofe> do we already ship the first use app within our dev image ?
Oct 29 13:28:08 <morphis> yes
Oct 29 13:29:02 <morphis> I am currently building the image with all bumps and will test it again from a clean state
Oct 29 13:30:32 <Tofe> ok
Oct 29 13:31:46 <Tofe> I guess the first use app kills itself when its job is finished ? I don't do any kind of window.destroy in the first use mode shell
Oct 29 13:32:11 <morphis> didn't checked that yet but it should
Oct 29 13:32:58 <Cobblemonster> morhis: were in the front door!   Ares now has the option to make webos-ports templates  they pulled my request last night
Oct 29 13:33:58 <morphis> Cobblemonster: yeah!
Oct 29 13:34:10 <morphis> Cobblemonster: can you create a short guide in the webos-ports.org wiki how to use that?
Oct 29 13:34:34 <morphis> Tofe: ok, the firstuse calls PalmSystem.shutdown which should close the window but does not yet
Oct 29 13:34:39 <morphis> need to fix that in luna-webappmanager
Oct 29 13:36:00 <Cobblemonster> morphis:  yes but i would have to have a account first.  i think    right   never done one :)
Oct 29 13:37:07 <morphis> Cobblemonster: ok, Herrie can you help with this
Oct 29 13:38:04 <Cobblemonster> ok
Oct 29 13:38:39 <Cobblemonster> but frist i got a dog that wanting to go for a walk be back in about a hour
Oct 29 13:39:06 <morphis> Cobblemonster: np
Oct 29 13:49:34 <Herrie> Cobblemonster: Register on the wiki, I can activate your account and assign required priveleges for you :)
Oct 29 13:53:15 <HaDAk> anyone know python?
Oct 29 13:56:25 <Tofe> HaDAk: I guess you'll find more JS/C++ guys around here...
Oct 29 13:57:30 <HaDAk> i guess so.
Oct 29 14:11:04 <Tofe> Cobblemonster: to use Ares, one has to have an HP webOS developper account ?
Oct 29 14:12:15 <Tofe> Or is that old stuff, and things have moved on to be managed by OpenWebOS or else ?
Oct 29 14:56:45 <Cobblemonster> tofe : nope  no hp account
Oct 29 14:57:48 <Cobblemonster> the old hp account was to list your app on ther  App catalog
Oct 29 14:57:57 <Herrie> New Ares you can only run locally right with NodeJS ?
Oct 29 14:58:04 <Cobblemonster> yes
Oct 29 14:58:27 <Cobblemonster> you node and the right version
Oct 29 14:58:30 <Herrie> Is 0.10 working already or still broken?
Oct 29 14:58:56 <Herrie> Was broken when I checked a couple of months ago ;)
Oct 29 14:59:22 <Cobblemonster> iam useing 10.20 now with ares
Oct 29 15:00:11 <Herrie> Ah ok :) So they fixed it, when I checked last I still needed 0.8 I think
Oct 29 15:00:34 <Cobblemonster> or 0.10.20 that should be
Oct 29 15:01:22 <Cobblemonster> ya some of the old stuff in ares would not with the new node but that fix now for the most part
Oct 29 15:04:12 <Herrie> Ah OK should give it a go again then :)
Oct 29 15:04:44 <Herrie> Let me know when you registered your account on the wiki and I'll approve it :)
Oct 29 15:05:09 <Cobblemonster> ya it woth keeping a eye on
Oct 29 15:05:10 <Cobblemonster> ok
Oct 29 15:09:46 <Tofe> Ah, yes, I read an article about running node.js and ares on a rasperrypi... Interesting. I'll have a look.
Oct 29 15:20:03 <Cobblemonster> read the readme in the root of ares for the IDE stuff    you can start the IDE like  node  -H  "and your ip" on the server
Oct 29 15:22:18 <Tofe> yep, already read that; I won't have much time this week, but I'll test it next week :)
Oct 29 15:26:23 <morphis> Tofe: firstuse stuff is merged now
Oct 29 15:26:26 <morphis> builds are running
Oct 29 15:32:20 <Tofe> morphis: yep, I saw the PR and merges :)
Oct 29 15:32:44 <morphis> Tofe: I did them on my own to speed things up before I run out of time
Oct 29 15:32:47 <morphis> :)
Oct 29 15:32:59 <morphis> the back gesture is also working now
Oct 29 15:33:42 <Tofe> oh, great
Oct 29 15:33:54 <Tofe> back to the keyboard, now, then
Oct 29 15:39:28 <Cobblemonster> threr is readme hermes( for the file sysytem)  For Ares
Oct 29 15:40:02 <Herrie> Cobblemonster: How's that Wiki account coming along? Need to leave in a bit ;)
Oct 29 15:40:27 <Cobblemonster> Herrie: ok bio done shouild be ready for you
Oct 29 15:40:58 <Cobblemonster> herrie: i got to split to soon
Oct 29 15:42:16 <Herrie> Yup got it :)
Oct 29 15:42:51 <Herrie> Approved
Oct 29 15:43:09 <Cobblemonster> ok i get to it later to night
Oct 29 15:44:36 <Herrie> Gave you permissions, you should be able to create articles :)
Oct 29 15:45:38 <Cobblemonster> ok  i do that to night got to move some files for some ladies :)  Work calls later
Oct 29 15:47:19 <morphis> Tofe: yeah, keyboard is the last big thing
Oct 29 15:47:27 <morphis> otherwise we have some small bugs which needs to be resolved
Oct 29 16:25:17 <Herrie> morphis: Snowshoe is working again on latest VBox image!
Oct 29 16:25:36 <Herrie> I didn't know you fixed anything for it? Or is this also due to fix for Calendar and Email (which both work now too again :))
Oct 29 16:27:19 <Herrie> ehm /s/Calendar/Clock
Oct 29 16:27:44 <Herrie> Got 2 Calendars in my VBox, 1 OWO and 1 Ports?
Oct 29 16:27:49 <Herrie> At least it seems that way
Oct 29 16:28:34 <Herrie> Garfonso: Spelling mistake in update app: Says "Checking remote plattform version". Platform should be with 1 t ;)
Oct 29 16:32:42 <Herrie> Email icon seems broken? Probably wrong link in appinfo.json?
Oct 29 16:32:52 <Herrie> I get the default Luna icon
Oct 29 16:33:18 <Herrie> Tweaks doesn't seem to work yet? Launches but get white screen?
Oct 29 16:39:52 <morphis> Herrie: bug reports would good for each of them
Oct 29 16:42:16 <Herrie> OK will do
Oct 29 16:42:21 <Herrie> Snowshow working you expected?
Oct 29 16:44:46 <Herrie> Who should I assign to email, tweaks and calendar apps? You ?
Oct 29 16:44:51 <Herrie> Update to Garfonso?
Oct 29 16:49:05 <Herrie> OK created
Oct 29 16:49:21 <Herrie> Assigned to you, except for the update app. Anyway Garfonso not in the list so left it empty
Oct 29 17:44:05 <Herrie> Cobblemonster: How is Ares2? Is it workable? When I tried it a couple of months ago it was completely useless still to do anything :(
Oct 29 17:53:27 <Tofe> morphis: my tofe/work branches are now rebased on their respective master, so the boot work is integrated
Oct 29 18:30:48 <Herrie> Morphis: How can I push my own branch with fixes for for example org.webosports.update
Oct 29 18:31:13 <Herrie> Or how can I send a PR to master brand? Fixes some of the spelling & grammar which I can send a PR for ;)
Oct 29 18:51:10 <ka6sox> Herrie, issue a PR against the repo
Oct 29 18:51:17 <ka6sox> which repo is this?
Oct 29 18:58:18 <Herrie> org.webosports.update
Oct 29 18:58:45 <Herrie> Tells me I have no permissions
Oct 29 18:59:04 <Herrie> Then again could be me, 1st time Git user :P
Oct 29 19:28:09 <ka6sox> Herrie, you won't be able to push to that repo
Oct 29 19:28:17 <ka6sox> but you can:
Oct 29 19:28:23 <ka6sox> clone to your account
Oct 29 19:28:26 <ka6sox> make your changes,
Oct 29 19:28:30 <ka6sox> push them up to your account
Oct 29 19:28:39 <ka6sox> issue a pull request to the "upstream"
Oct 29 19:28:48 <ka6sox> (which is our repo)
Oct 29 20:28:10 <Herrie> Not really sure how to do that in Windows :(
Oct 29 20:28:20 <Herrie> Have the GitHub software but it's not very logical :S
Oct 29 20:29:17 <Herrie> I can clone it but would still keep it as Ports not under my own account :S
Oct 29 20:31:01 <ka6sox> no
Oct 29 20:31:16 <ka6sox> you need to clone it to your account
Oct 29 20:31:20 <ka6sox> then clone it locally
Oct 29 20:31:32 <ka6sox> (using the GH software)
Oct 29 20:31:35 <ka6sox> make your changes
Oct 29 20:31:42 <ka6sox> use the GH software to push it back up
Oct 29 20:31:56 <ka6sox> then you can issue the PR using the webpage @ GH.
Oct 29 20:32:27 <ka6sox> thats the "windows workflow"
Oct 29 21:38:09 <Herrie> I think I managed... Forked to my account, synced to local, updated locally, pushed to my account and then did PR
Oct 29 21:38:10 <Herrie> https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.update/pull/6
Oct 29 22:05:44 <ka6sox> Herrie, merged
Oct 29 22:16:09 <bhuey> hey ka6sox
Oct 29 23:04:01 <Herrie> :)
Oct 29 23:04:21 <morphis> Herrie: thanks for creating the bug reports and fixing one of them
Oct 29 23:07:22 <morphis> Herrie: can you try to fix http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/453 too?
Oct 29 23:10:14 <Herrie> Yeah can do ;)
Oct 29 23:10:27 <Herrie> I don't see a repo for this in Ports?
Oct 29 23:10:32 <Herrie> We use the standard OWO one?
Oct 29 23:11:23 <Herrie> Ah Core Apps I guess?
Oct 29 23:12:47 <ka6sox> do we have a new email icon?
Oct 29 23:13:15 <ka6sox> hiya bhuey
Oct 29 23:13:19 <Herrie> Well the standard icon is there so not sure why it doesn't show :S
Oct 29 23:17:49 <Herrie> I can try to move it to images like the other apps and reflect it in appinfo.json?
Oct 29 23:20:07 <ka6sox> yes
Oct 29 23:20:08 <Herrie> OK did PR for that too. Not sure it will work, didn't have time to test, but won't break anything additionally either and it's a good change to make anyway for consistancy with other core apps
Oct 29 23:20:25 <ka6sox> okay when you have time to test I'll merge
Oct 29 23:21:29 <Herrie> Let me test in emu ;)
Oct 29 23:21:38 <Herrie> Seems to package OK with palm-package
Oct 29 23:21:52 <Herrie> Will kick off VBox now to test in 3.0.5
Oct 29 23:21:59 <Herrie> If it's OK there should be fine in ours too
Oct 29 23:22:10 <ka6sox> kk
Oct 29 23:24:05 <Herrie> Seems OK on emu :)
Oct 29 23:24:07 <Herrie> Get icon there
Oct 29 23:26:09 <ka6sox> okay pr is there?
Oct 29 23:26:18 <ka6sox> if so give me the link and i'll look and merge?
Oct 29 23:27:09 <Herrie> https://github.com/webOS-ports/core-apps/pull/1
Oct 29 23:27:54 <ka6sox> merged
Oct 29 23:28:46 <ka6sox> Thanks!
Oct 29 23:29:09 <Herrie> Need to see it works...
Oct 29 23:29:22 <ka6sox> it works on the emu here
Oct 29 23:30:14 <Herrie> It does here on 3.0.5 so should work on Ports emu as well
Oct 29 23:31:14 <ka6sox> if it works on the device it should work with our new stuff.
Oct 29 23:31:24 <ka6sox> thanks for sorting that...another bug down.
Oct 29 23:32:16 <Herrie> Trying to help where I can, simple things like this I can manage LOL
Oct 29 23:33:38 <Herrie> Anyway bedtime here ;)
Oct 29 23:34:31 <ka6sox> nite Herrie
Oct 29 23:34:32 <ka6sox> thanks!
Oct 29 23:34:47 <Herrie> Who can close bugs in bugtracker? There are some outstanding that need closure I think as well
Oct 29 23:37:35 <ka6sox> I can
Oct 29 23:37:44 <ka6sox> give me some urls
Oct 29 23:38:33 <Herrie> http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/431
Oct 29 23:39:40 <Herrie> http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/437 that one seems OK in my emulator now too
Oct 29 23:39:48 <Herrie> It was off a month or so ago but was fixed
Oct 29 23:39:53 <ka6sox> done
Oct 29 23:41:18 <ka6sox> 2ond one done
Oct 29 23:41:24 <ka6sox> #437
Oct 29 23:41:44 <ka6sox> can you update  #453 for me too?
Oct 29 23:42:13 <Herrie> Done
Oct 29 23:43:09 <ka6sox> okay updated and closed
Oct 29 23:43:16 <Herrie> http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/361 seems fixed too
Oct 29 23:43:26 <Herrie> Cannot do leading 0 anymore in my emu
Oct 29 23:44:33 <Herrie> On http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/355: Is this a bug or a feature? I think it should be an option and by default it should ignore case/
Oct 29 23:44:34 <Herrie> ?
Oct 29 23:45:15 <ka6sox> Herrie, I'd ask the room about that one
Oct 29 23:45:20 <ka6sox> it can be either.
Oct 29 23:45:58 <Herrie> I know *nix is case sensitive by default but I guess for memo's it would make sense to be case insensitive by default?
Oct 29 23:46:10 <Herrie> Might be able to fix these things myself, need to play a bit ;)
Oct 29 23:46:37 <Herrie> Anyway bedtime now ;)
Oct 29 23:46:42 <ka6sox> we could have a checkbox.
Oct 29 23:46:48 <ka6sox> for case sensitivity
Oct 29 23:46:56 <Herrie> Yeah...
Oct 29 23:46:56 <ka6sox> but in the meantime its case sensitive :)
Oct 29 23:47:05 <ka6sox> or make it optional in the prefs
Oct 29 23:47:17 <Herrie> Yeah will see if I can do something for that ;)
Oct 29 23:47:23 <ka6sox> kk
Oct 29 23:47:25 <ka6sox> thanks
Oct 29 23:47:28 <ka6sox> good night!
Oct 30 02:03:40 <DDURI_> Hi I flash the image to N4 following http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Testing_Nexus_7
Oct 30 02:03:56 <DDURI_> But there is no path for http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports/images/grouper/webos-ports-package-grouper.zip
Oct 30 02:04:09 <DDURI_> Anyone can check the link?
Oct 30 02:22:07 <ka6sox> DDURI_, you are flashing grouper on mako?
Oct 30 02:24:25 <ka6sox> DDURI_, you are correct...
Oct 30 02:29:05 <DDURI_> Oops
Oct 30 02:29:11 <DDURI_> sorry again not N4, GNex
Oct 30 02:29:31 <DDURI_> shoud I use grouper or maguro?
Oct 30 02:29:43 <DDURI_> Also there is no image.
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