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Nov 14 08:21:43 <morphis> morning
Nov 14 08:28:29 <EricBlade> howdy
Nov 14 08:28:55 <EricBlade> there was something you had asked me if i could do a while ago
Nov 14 08:29:11 <morphis> EricBlade: hm, let me try to remember
Nov 14 08:39:23 <morphis> EricBlade: sorry I can't remember what it was
Nov 14 08:39:59 <morphis> EricBlade: too busy currently so some things get lost in my mind ..
Nov 14 08:47:29 <Herrie|Work|Veer> morning
Nov 14 08:47:35 <Herrie|Work|Veer> morphis: ping
Nov 14 08:47:44 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Veer: pong
Nov 14 08:47:55 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Not sure you saw my question re Trello for wiki project?
Nov 14 08:48:36 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Veer: ah yes, I saw it
Nov 14 08:48:40 <morphis> it's fine for me
Nov 14 08:49:29 <Herrie|Work|Veer> To use existing?
Nov 14 08:50:13 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Veer: use Task for your wiki Tasks
Nov 14 08:50:26 <morphis> maybe prefix them in the title with "wiki:"
Nov 14 08:51:09 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Will ask Andrew to join as well then :)
Nov 14 08:53:18 <morphis> ok
Nov 14 09:35:13 <Tofe> morning
Nov 14 09:42:55 <morphis> Tofe: morning
Nov 14 10:11:33 <Herrie|Work|Veer> morphis: What will we use android-property-service for?
Nov 14 10:40:56 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Veer: synchronization with the android system
Nov 14 10:42:59 <Herrie|Work|Veer> ok figured that out by reading, but how will that be used in webOS and why we need it might be better questions?
Nov 14 10:55:43 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Veer: for example we need it to get the webOS service starts in line with the start of several android services
Nov 14 10:55:51 <morphis> like ofono needs rild to be started
Nov 14 10:56:17 <morphis> furthermore modifying one property for example switch the USB gadget configuration
Nov 14 10:57:13 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Ah ok, clear :) Now understand :) I thought we had another solution for this already or it wasn't as clean?
Nov 14 10:57:26 <Herrie|Work|Veer> I mean for startup and dependency order?
Nov 14 10:58:27 <morphis> we have systemd, yes but we need to bring somethings in line once the corresponding android service starts and as we're not starting android services  with systemd (as android is running within  a lxc container) we need some synchronization mechanism
Nov 14 10:58:46 <morphis> and android updates properties for each service when it starts or stops
Nov 14 11:51:58 <Herrie|Work|Veer> ok thnx for clarification!
Nov 14 15:44:04 <Herrie|Work|Veer> morphis/ka6sox/JaMa: Seeing that Google has ceased official support for the Nexus (Maguro), would that mean Ports would focus on another porting target for phones?
Nov 14 15:44:19 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Veer: no
Nov 14 15:44:34 <morphis> that means nothing for us
Nov 14 15:47:08 <Herrie|Work|Veer> ok just wonderinf :)
Nov 14 15:47:48 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Anyway new porting targets shouldn't be difficult to add going forward once stable releases are out right?
Nov 14 15:49:00 <HaDAk> that should be correct. now that android has been merged to the linux kernel, it should make porting easy.
Nov 14 15:53:55 <Herrie|Work|Veer> That's from 3.8 kernel right?
Nov 14 15:55:48 <HaDAk> i believe so?
Nov 14 15:56:07 <HaDAk> 3.3
Nov 14 15:56:12 <HaDAk> http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/19/linux-kernel-3-3-merged-android-code/
Nov 14 15:56:47 <Herrie|Work|Veer> 4.4 KitKat uses that right? I believe they wanted to introduce it with KeyLimePie which was 5.0 initially but got renamed to KitKat and version got to 4.4 instead of 5.0?
Nov 14 15:58:43 <HaDAk> 4.4 uses linux 3.10
Nov 14 15:58:55 <HaDAk> i think
Nov 14 15:59:13 <HaDAk> http://www.androidheadlines.com/2013/10/new-code-commits-aosp-confirm-v3-10-linux-kernel-coming-soon.html
Nov 14 16:00:07 <Herrie|Work|Veer> hmmz various sources say 4.4 has 3.8 kernel :s
Nov 14 16:01:01 <HaDAk> i can't find anything definitive
Nov 14 16:41:43 <morphis> HaDAk, Herrie: which kernel version they use still is different from device to device
Nov 14 16:42:04 <HaDAk> maybe that's why there's no concrete evidence
Nov 14 16:42:07 <morphis> the general code bits are going forward to 3.10 but the devices will stay at their version
Nov 14 16:46:40 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Seems like KitKat 4.4 with more or less working 3.8 kernel is out in the open already :)
Nov 14 16:46:59 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Still pre-alpha but it's a beginning :)
Nov 14 16:48:00 <HaDAk> i run CM10.1 on my nexus 4. last night, i put on the apks for the new kitkat google search and launcher… now i have a kitkat-like interface.
Nov 14 16:48:15 <HaDAk> which is nice, because it works largely the same way i've been using my phone, with a few exceptions
Nov 14 16:48:38 <HaDAk> like… there's no play store link in the apps page anymore, and you can't hide apps from the apps page (for things that you have on the home screen, but don't need in the drawer, for example)
Nov 14 16:48:56 <HaDAk> also, since google now has been reworked, you can't launch it by dragging up from the circle on the home screen. phooey.
Nov 14 16:56:46 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Well Google sucks... no matter what Mr. Duarte does, it's nowhere close webOS....
Nov 14 16:57:10 <HaDAk> agreed.
Nov 14 16:57:14 <HaDAk> 100%.
Nov 14 16:57:22 <HaDAk> although, when he joined…. the UI got a LOT better.
Nov 14 16:57:28 <HaDAk> (it's still a crap OS though)
Nov 14 16:58:40 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Yeah true but still sucks... The KB itself is already a pain... The webOS one is 100 times better in my view with my thick fingers... And that's for someone who has a Veer as daily driver :P
Nov 14 16:59:09 <HaDAk> personally, i live and thrive on swype for my phone, and a split thumb keyboard on my tablet.
Nov 14 16:59:17 <Herrie|Work|Veer> I make a lot less mistakes typing in webOS compared to Android without all those fancy correction features etc :p
Nov 14 16:59:49 <HaDAk> https://lh5.ggpht.com/LPOFdUUBJbZKgF2xBrXxLOYGvGYPGsv6GKM2OpZgnxleCf8qWgaJilzCU_TJqbFFQaQ=h900
Nov 14 17:00:01 <HaDAk> yeah, i'll second that.
Nov 14 17:00:07 <HaDAk> i don't use auto correct though
Nov 14 17:00:08 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Might switch to Pre 3 soon though... Veer is dying (display cable and memory too it seems)
Nov 14 17:00:12 <HaDAk> sometimes it's hilaroius
Nov 14 17:00:50 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Autocorrect is a pain especially when you write in multiple languages :P
Nov 14 17:02:19 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Anyway off to home :) Will be back online soon :) Need to do some grocery shopping LOL
Nov 14 17:02:52 <HaDAk> ok.
Nov 14 17:02:56 <HaDAk> get some for me too
Nov 14 17:33:30 <Herrie> Home LOL
Nov 14 17:36:03 <HaDAk> ^^
Nov 14 17:36:21 <HaDAk> did you stock my kitchen?
Nov 14 18:03:44 <Herrie> Almost lol, the pidgeon is still on it's way, takes a long time across the Atlantic :P
Nov 14 18:04:23 <Herrie> Finished up my Sierra MC7710 patch for the TP4G LOL :) Proper 4G/LTE on my TP4G now :)
Nov 14 18:04:24 <Herrie> http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326601-patch-sierra-mc7710-support-webos-3-0-x.html#post3406983
Nov 14 18:07:24 <Herrie> Next mission: Getting TP Go to webOS :P
Nov 14 18:22:38 <HaDAk> :)
Nov 14 18:34:12 <Tofe> morphis: I saw you taken charge of the crash at a close of a card after device startup, then I'll begin with investigating why webapps don't launch after first-use
Nov 14 18:39:00 <morphis> Tofe: it would better if you can first try to solve the focus problem
Nov 14 18:42:29 <Tofe> oh, well, yes
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