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Dec 04 07:11:31 <Darakian> Hoy hoy
Dec 04 07:22:08 <Herrie|ZzzzZzzzz> morning
Dec 04 07:22:18 <Herrie|ZzzzZzzzz> Darakian: Hi :)
Dec 04 07:30:57 <Darakian> Hey yo
Dec 04 07:31:05 <Darakian> so....
Dec 04 07:31:24 <Darakian> I just noticed that there's a mako image on the builds page
Dec 04 07:31:31 <Darakian> does that mean what I think it means?
Dec 04 07:31:42 <Herrie> Not sure, I didn't see that one, let me check D
Dec 04 07:31:43 <Herrie> :D
Dec 04 07:31:51 <Darakian> http://build.webos-ports.org/phablet/
Dec 04 07:31:55 <Darakian> it's under phablet
Dec 04 07:32:32 <Herrie> I THINK these are copies from Ubuntu, but I'm not sure
Dec 04 07:33:13 <Herrie> AFAIK Ports doesn't build anything for Mako or Toro yet, but I'm sure morphis, JaMa or Tofe could confirm ;)
Dec 04 07:33:48 <Darakian> mmmm
Dec 04 07:33:50 <Darakian> I see
Dec 04 07:34:26 <Darakian> I haven't dropped by in months and have lost track of everything
Dec 04 07:34:31 <Darakian> how's the project going?
Dec 04 07:34:40 <Herrie> Slow but steady progress ;)
Dec 04 07:35:11 <Herrie> morphis and Tofe are working on Luna rewrite (Luna Next) which should work a lot better compared to Open webOS Luna ;)
Dec 04 07:35:29 <Herrie> They're cutting out a lot of "legacy"
Dec 04 07:35:38 <Herrie> Should solve the hardware acceleration issues etc
Dec 04 07:36:01 <Darakian> huh
Dec 04 07:36:11 <Herrie> You can test with VirtualBox emulator ;)
Dec 04 07:36:13 <Herrie> http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports-staging/wip/images/qemux86/webos-ports-emulator-qemux86.zip
Dec 04 07:36:27 <Darakian> cool
Dec 04 07:36:35 <Darakian> I'll give it a spin tomorrow
Dec 04 07:36:38 <Herrie> See http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Emulator
Dec 04 07:36:46 <Herrie> Still has bugs but it's work in progress ;)
Dec 04 07:37:06 <Herrie> New images appear on a regular basis on http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports-staging/wip/images/qemux86/
Dec 04 07:37:17 <Darakian> to be honest the jolla phone and sailfish have had my attention recently
Dec 04 07:37:18 <Darakian> :p
Dec 04 07:37:29 <Darakian> ubuntu phone as well to a lesser extent
Dec 04 07:39:44 <Darakian> how's the whole LG ownership deal working out?
Dec 04 07:41:38 <Herrie> Well not much coming to community so far... Seems they're tight on resources based on the number of job openings on their website ;)
Dec 04 07:41:53 <Herrie> And they're putting all energy in getting things ready for the TV ;)
Dec 04 07:42:01 <Herrie> Which I expect to be shown on CES
Dec 04 07:42:30 <Herrie> Many daily commits on GitHub but more bugfixing and code cleanup then new features etc
Dec 04 07:43:52 <Darakian> mmmm
Dec 04 07:44:12 <Darakian> I hope that turns around
Dec 04 07:44:21 <Darakian> I'd love to see webos reborn
Dec 04 07:45:14 <Darakian> that archive does have ubuntu written all over it too
Dec 04 07:45:21 <Darakian> hopes dashed :(
Dec 04 07:46:16 <Herrie> Mako = Nexus 4?
Dec 04 07:47:00 <Darakian> ya
Dec 04 07:48:15 <Herrie> Well according to morphis, porting to it would be "easy" and shouldn't be that much work ;)
Dec 04 07:48:25 <Herrie> Especially since Ubuntu guys did a lot of work already ;)
Dec 04 07:48:35 <Herrie> Just he didn't have time to completely write up a guide yet ;)
Dec 04 07:49:03 <Herrie> This should get you started in case you're interested :P http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Porting_Guide
Dec 04 07:50:17 <Darakian> yes yes, I'm familiar :p
Dec 04 07:50:26 <Darakian> just impatient
Dec 04 07:50:35 <Herrie> Me too ;)
Dec 04 07:50:43 <Darakian> oh, I noticed the help wanted page went down
Dec 04 07:50:51 <Herrie> Well I've moved a lot of things around ;)
Dec 04 07:51:02 <Herrie> http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Contributors
Dec 04 07:51:12 <Darakian> I'm not sure I can be much help coding, but I can edit some wikis if you need help
Dec 04 07:51:27 <Herrie> Merged things together, removed duplication etc, try to bring more structure, templates etc ;)
Dec 04 07:51:47 <Darakian> gasp
Dec 04 07:51:53 <Darakian> things have changed so much :p
Dec 04 07:52:18 <Herrie> WEll still lots to do, but basically I started with making a list of all pages and checking to see if they're still relevant ;)
Dec 04 07:52:36 <Herrie> Copied & pasted quite some bits from CyanogenMod wiki and modified for our needs ;)
Dec 04 07:52:45 <Darakian> it looks nice
Dec 04 07:52:54 <Darakian> I guess I need to take another crack at enyo
Dec 04 07:52:58 <Herrie> http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Devices for example ;)
Dec 04 07:53:44 <Herrie> And created build, install and testing templates for devices so we can use those instead of seperate pages going forward when we have 100's of phones supported LOL ;)
Dec 04 07:54:40 <Darakian> yes... hundreds :p
Dec 04 07:54:51 <Darakian> that is slick though
Dec 04 07:55:16 <Darakian> you haven't set up a "enyo for noobs" page have you?
Dec 04 07:55:17 <Herrie> Well CM had success with it, so why reinvent the wheel :P
Dec 04 07:55:25 <Herrie> Ehm no, not yet ;)
Dec 04 07:55:33 <Herrie> I'm also Enyo n00b :P
Dec 04 07:56:17 <Darakian> I picked up the book (pamphlet?) that oreily put out a while back, but it was very light on coding structure and theory
Dec 04 07:56:33 <Darakian> it basically gave you some code and said "API is over there"
Dec 04 07:56:42 <Darakian> and pointed to a site
Dec 04 07:56:57 <Herrie> Yeah :S
Dec 04 07:57:07 <Herrie> That's my problem as well.. It's either too basic or too advanced :P
Dec 04 07:57:13 <Darakian> ya...
Dec 04 08:03:25 <Darakian> Hey Herrie
Dec 04 08:03:30 <Darakian> what phone are you using atm?
Dec 04 08:08:51 <Herrie> Veer as daily driver for 2+ years
Dec 04 08:08:55 <Herrie> But it's showing age....
Dec 04 08:09:55 <Herrie> Might switch to my wife's Veer (she recently moved to the dark side, mainly due to studying and Veer having too little screen for her eyes (she has glasses now))
Dec 04 08:10:38 <Herrie> Mine has problems with the flat cable (black plastic getting loose and it's getting sluggish, so I guess memory chips might be wearing out... Also battery health is dropping, currently around 90%
Dec 04 08:12:32 <Herrie> Or might have a Pre3 as daily driver ;)
Dec 04 08:12:37 <Herrie> Undecided tbh
Dec 04 08:16:08 <Darakian> mmmm
Dec 04 08:16:13 <Darakian> I'm in a similar spot
Dec 04 08:16:17 <Darakian> pre2 is my daily
Dec 04 08:16:27 <Darakian> they've very cheap on ebay btw
Dec 04 08:16:37 <Darakian> but the keyboard is starting to go
Dec 04 08:16:50 <Darakian> various software glitches are starting to get to me
Dec 04 08:17:18 <Herrie> Yeah Pre2 is dirt cheap
Dec 04 08:17:24 <Herrie> I think you'll like a Pre3 upgrade ;)
Dec 04 08:17:45 <Herrie> It's a lot slicker compared to Pre2 when it comes to feel ;) Feels less bulky ;)
Dec 04 08:17:50 <Herrie> What operator you're on?
Dec 04 08:18:10 <Darakian> Att
Dec 04 08:18:34 <Darakian> maybe, but I can get a nexus 4 for the price of a pre 3
Dec 04 08:18:45 <Darakian> and if I can get my hands on a jolla
Dec 04 08:18:47 <Darakian> well...
Dec 04 08:21:30 <Herrie> 2nd hand Pre3 go quite cheap here in Europe
Dec 04 08:21:51 <Herrie> Got some without any wear and tear for < EUR 100
Dec 04 08:22:02 <Darakian> not bad
Dec 04 08:22:07 <Herrie> Yeah
Dec 04 08:22:16 <Herrie> AT&T ones seem to be quite expensive still :(
Dec 04 08:22:19 <Darakian> they're quite a bit rarer here in the states I think
Dec 04 08:22:21 <Herrie> But I traded one for a VZW one ;)
Dec 04 08:22:29 <Herrie> So got an AT&T one as well ;)
Dec 04 08:22:46 <Darakian> you selling it any time soon? :p
Dec 04 08:23:07 <Herrie> Undecided, but might :)
Dec 04 08:23:12 <Darakian> and mind picking up the international shipping xD
Dec 04 08:24:18 <Darakian> where in europe are you, if you don't mind me asking?
Dec 04 08:26:07 <Herrie> Amsterdam :)
Dec 04 08:26:40 <Darakian> ...
Dec 04 08:26:50 <Darakian> so jealous
Dec 04 08:27:50 <Darakian> anyway, I need to get some sleep
Dec 04 08:27:56 <Darakian> I'll try to jump on more often
Dec 04 08:27:57 <Herrie> Goodnight ;)
Dec 04 08:27:59 <Darakian> nice chatting
Dec 04 08:32:28 <morphis> morning
Dec 04 08:34:36 <Herrie> morphis: morning
Dec 04 08:34:42 <Herrie> Got my question y'day about the JSON?
Dec 04 08:49:45 <morphis> Herrie: noradtux
Dec 04 08:49:58 <morphis> s/noradtux/no/
Dec 04 08:50:03 <morphis> damn autocompletion
Dec 04 09:07:50 <Herrie> Any chance we can rename one or both of the "versions" in https://raw.github.com/webOS-ports/changelog/master/manifest.json ? This currently causes some parsing challenges on the Wiki using the external tool we're using for this. The author already made some changes to accomodate our JSON, however the duplicate versions seem to still cause issues.. Might be an idea to call it majorVersion,
Dec 04 09:07:50 <Herrie> minorVersion?
Dec 04 09:07:53 <Herrie> Or something?
Dec 04 09:07:58 <Herrie> Or version and revision?
Dec 04 10:15:43 <Tofe> morning
Dec 04 10:29:49 <morphis> Herrie: which version field?
Dec 04 10:29:55 <morphis> Tofe: morning
Dec 04 11:29:20 <Herrie> morphis: well either one of them to be changed so we don't have 2 version fields basically in the JSON ;)
Dec 04 11:29:35 <Herrie> There's one at the main level and then another one down for the revisions it seems
Dec 04 11:29:57 <Herrie> first "version" contains 1, 2nd version contains "4"
Dec 04 11:30:03 <Herrie> "5", "6" etc
Dec 04 11:53:29 <Garfonso> morning
Dec 04 11:57:05 <Garfonso> isn't the outer version in the JSON some kind of file-version? Or do I remember that wrong?
Dec 04 12:01:05 <morphis> Garfonso: you're right
Dec 04 12:01:12 <morphis> it's the version of the manifest format
Dec 04 12:01:18 <morphis> we can rename it to manifestVersion
Dec 04 12:02:11 <morphis> Herrie: done
Dec 04 12:02:37 <Herrie> Great!
Dec 04 12:02:42 <morphis> Herrie: so you're going to parse it in the wiki?
Dec 04 12:02:47 <Herrie> Yes :D
Dec 04 12:03:13 <morphis> http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Change_Log?
Dec 04 12:03:32 <Herrie> Yes. ka6sox or scoutcamper need to update the extension and I can modify it :)
Dec 04 12:03:59 <Herrie> Just got stuck because of the array values which the mod author added now as a feature :D
Dec 04 12:04:23 <morphis> ok
Dec 04 12:04:25 <Herrie> So when the new extension is there, I'll tweak it and it'll take it directly from Github :)
Dec 04 12:04:36 <Herrie> No double maintaining :D
Dec 04 12:08:45 <Garfonso> morphis: what are the further plans for the system upgrade app? What is still missing?
Dec 04 12:09:14 <morphis> Garfonso: I need to finally implement the upgrade
Dec 04 12:09:31 <morphis> Garfonso: ah and we need to rework it to be not a headless app anymore
Dec 04 12:09:46 <morphis> we're going to forbid noWindow usage
Dec 04 12:10:19 <Garfonso> yeah, I read about that...
Dec 04 12:10:50 <Garfonso> is there an alternative for banner messages?
Dec 04 12:11:06 <morphis> not yet
Dec 04 12:11:23 <morphis> Garfonso: what was the reason for the noWindow part of the system upgrade app?
Dec 04 12:12:01 <Garfonso> this comes from the old webos and how this stuff worked there.
Dec 04 12:12:07 <morphis> ah
Dec 04 12:12:17 <Garfonso> the idea is to have the service periodically check for updates in background
Dec 04 12:12:31 <Garfonso> if an update is found, it calls the app to show a notification
Dec 04 12:12:45 <morphis> ah
Dec 04 12:12:53 <Garfonso> and for that, the app, on old webos, needs to be "noWindow", because otherwise it will always have a card open
Dec 04 12:13:12 <Garfonso> so if you launch the app, it will decide if it needs a card or only shows a notification
Dec 04 12:13:13 <morphis> the notification system will change
Dec 04 12:13:30 <morphis> there will be a simple ls2 service you can call to show your notification
Dec 04 12:13:36 <morphis> so you can also create them from the service
Dec 04 12:13:40 <Garfonso> it didn't work that way in luna-next anyway.. ;)
Dec 04 12:13:48 <Garfonso> that's great
Dec 04 12:14:13 <morphis> it's not implemented yet but thats the plan
Dec 04 12:15:20 <morphis> Garfonso: so we need to rework the update app thats not starting as noWindow app anymore
Dec 04 12:16:42 <morphis> is there still a problem with the activities?
Dec 04 12:23:27 <Garfonso> I must admit that I  did not check that, yet.
Dec 04 12:23:41 <Garfonso> but reworking the app to not use noWindow anymore should be easy.
Dec 04 12:23:59 <morphis> ok
Dec 04 12:24:11 <morphis> btw. what do you think about integrating it into the settings app?
Dec 04 12:24:20 <morphis> or should we keep it separate?
Dec 04 12:25:59 <Garfonso> depends a bit on the general plans for the settings app... if we try to integrate all settings into the settings app, then we should integrate system update there, too. If we plan to have multiple settings apps (and a settings launcher page) update should be separate.
Dec 04 12:26:21 <Garfonso> the app is not really complicated, so we can integrate it.
Dec 04 12:26:25 <morphis> the plan was to have a single one
Dec 04 12:26:36 <morphis> then lets integrate the update app too
Dec 04 12:26:43 <Garfonso> ok, I'll see if I can integrate it. :)
Dec 04 12:26:47 <morphis> we can directly launch it later with a parameter supplied to the settings app
Dec 04 12:26:59 <morphis> Garfonso: the settings app isn't complex so it should be easy
Dec 04 12:27:13 <morphis> btw. if you see anything inside it which can be done better, you're free to clean it up :)
Dec 04 12:27:19 <morphis> it's really missing a maintainer ..
Dec 04 12:27:30 <Garfonso> hehe
Dec 04 12:28:08 <Garfonso> btw: how do you plan to launch stuff from the notifications?
Dec 04 12:28:25 <Garfonso> give an URL or app-id? Params? ;)
Dec 04 12:46:46 <morphis> a ls2 address to call
Dec 04 13:36:44 <Tofe> morphis: do you have an idea why so many regressions were introduced when switching to webapp-launcher ?
Dec 04 13:37:31 <Tofe> blurry card texture, clock won't launch, mail and contact are visible at startup -- the latter might be because noWindow is ignored ?
Dec 04 15:07:16 <morphis> Tofe: right
Dec 04 15:07:26 <morphis> mail and contact are afaik noWindow apps
Dec 04 15:07:34 <morphis> I have a workaround for both
Dec 04 15:11:20 <morphis> Tofe: https://github.com/webOS-ports/webapp-launcher/pull/4
Dec 04 15:11:32 <Tofe> iirc, the blurry texture was present when we began working on LunaNext compositor, a long time ago
Dec 04 15:11:40 <morphis> hm
Dec 04 15:11:47 <morphis> didn't saw it yet
Dec 04 15:11:55 <morphis> on which device do you see it?
Dec 04 15:13:06 <Tofe> emulator
Dec 04 15:13:33 <Tofe> but I'll have to check if it was on all cards, or only those noWindow ones
Dec 04 15:13:37 <morphis> ok
Dec 04 15:13:48 <morphis> Tofe: with my PR the noWindow issue should mostly go away
Dec 04 15:13:59 <morphis> it's now limited to only the email app
Dec 04 15:14:13 <morphis> all other apps will refuse to launch when the specifiy noWindow: true
Dec 04 15:14:28 <Tofe> ok
Dec 04 15:14:52 <morphis> Tofe: I will bump all components this evening and merge the changes
Dec 04 15:14:58 <morphis> do you have anything I should include?
Dec 04 15:15:36 <Tofe> not that I can think of, no. I was thinking of improving the code for parsing the options, but you did it already :)
Dec 04 15:15:57 <morphis> :)
Dec 04 15:16:15 <Tofe> any idea why the clock app specifically can't be launched ?
Dec 04 15:16:19 <morphis> we have to go through the system after I merged the webapp-launcher finally and clean up things
Dec 04 15:16:30 <morphis> not really
Dec 04 15:17:03 <Tofe> the calc app is wrongly displayed, too
Dec 04 15:17:22 <Tofe> but that may have been there for some days already, I didn't launch it lately
Dec 04 15:17:59 <morphis> will be quite some work to fix all those minor issues
Dec 04 15:19:03 <Tofe> yes, the last part of the convergence is always longer than wished :)
Dec 04 15:19:30 <morphis> right
Dec 04 15:20:15 <Tofe> I'll try to make a list of issues (clock, calc, other maybe), trying to go through the possible problematic scenarios, like keyboard, justtype, fresh install...
Dec 04 15:21:31 <Tofe> morphis: ah, and on FocusOut I'd like to discard the current focus "widget" in webapp-launcher, so that there isn't this blinking cursor in card view
Dec 04 15:22:42 <Tofe> It's much easier now that it is process separated
Dec 04 16:32:35 <HaDAk> morphis: how can i test this keyboard, while i'm theming it?
Dec 04 16:39:55 <Herrie> HaDAk: I think Tofe left a "webos" keyboard that you can customize
Dec 04 16:40:01 <Herrie> You can SSH into the emu I think?
Dec 04 16:40:09 <Herrie> http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Emulator
Dec 04 16:40:21 <HaDAk> i suppose that works
Dec 04 16:40:25 * HaDAk 's brain is slow today
Dec 04 16:40:30 <HaDAk> weird weather patterns
Dec 04 16:40:32 <HaDAk> anyway.
Dec 04 16:40:40 <HaDAk> i'll figure it out
Dec 04 16:41:25 <Herrie> Yeah same here, rain freezing, tomorrow storm :P
Dec 04 16:42:41 <HaDAk> 12c today, -1c this weekend
Dec 04 16:42:50 <HaDAk> sorry, -4c this weekend
Dec 04 16:42:58 <HaDAk> -8c by wed
Dec 04 16:43:03 <HaDAk> rain today
Dec 04 16:43:08 <HaDAk> my head is just wishy washy
Dec 04 16:55:01 <morphis> HaDAk: you need to restart the keyboard
Dec 04 16:55:09 <morphis> with systemctl restart maliit-server
Dec 04 16:55:15 <HaDAk> ok.
Dec 04 16:55:48 <HaDAk> i'm going to start working on this today, i think.
Dec 04 17:11:36 <HaDAk> morphis: why is my keyboard doing this thing again?
Dec 04 17:11:43 <HaDAk> http://cl.ly/image/022H1E1t1T46
Dec 04 17:27:47 <HaDAk> brb, rebooting.
Dec 04 17:46:05 <morphis> Tofe|Away: ^^
Dec 04 18:32:33 <Garfonso> lol.. can't change my password in owncloud... it makes it real hard working on the caldav client, when all the servers have their own little quirks. *sigh*
Dec 04 18:32:50 <HaDAk> owncloud is riddled with security holes and instability. i quit using it.
Dec 04 18:33:59 <Garfonso> I don't really use it neither, just for testing with the carddav/caldav client.
Dec 04 18:34:27 <Garfonso> I can understand why people like it... but I'll stay with egroupware for now. It's not that much better and includes some bugs of its own.. but I know them. ;)
Dec 04 18:34:58 * HaDAk kicks android
Dec 04 18:35:00 <HaDAk> stupid pile of crap
Dec 04 18:35:07 <HaDAk> we need to make webos stable :|
Dec 04 18:49:01 <Garfonso> yeah, we really do. :)
Dec 04 18:49:25 <Garfonso> I also tried windows phone.. it's a little better than android, but still far from webos
Dec 04 18:54:43 <HaDAk> don't say that…you'll start to lend credence to something my brother said.
Dec 04 21:34:21 <Garfonso> damn.. again wasted too much time debugging some cloud server.
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